GPL sudden wheel movement

Apologies if this is a FAQ... Every now and then the wheel (on the "car") snaps to one side then recenters. Occasionally, this will throw me out of control. It happened once as I landed after the Flugplaz (nasty accident). I'd assumed it was my inexpensive wheel or SBLive! gameport. However, today I bought a USB LWFF and the same thing happens except now it's really pissing me off because the LWFF jumps when it happens. It's a brand new wheel so it's not likely to be dirty pots. I see on the GPL eGroup that this is common but I couldn't find a good solution. Is there a fix/solution for this. Thanks, Dale. -- -------------------------------------------- return email invalid reply to me in this newsgroup, please --------------------------------------------

It sounds to me like you have the steering torque setting in the core.ini set too low. Either of these things can cause "spikes" in the force feedback, which makes the wheel suddenly jerk when it shouldn't. Having said that, your example of it happening as you landed at Flugplatz isn't a good one because I would expect the wheel to jerk a bit on landing anyway. But then again, GPLs physics and FF interact in a way that can sometimes throw up these spikes, in the same way that a large accident in an online race can cause GPLs physics engine to "freak out"! I use quite subtle force feedback settings and still get the odd "spike", but my LWFF has never jumped when it happens, the wheel just lurches a bit which is why I think you have too much force. For what it's worth (Different PCs and driver configs seem to give different results), my LWFF settings are as follows: Iin Wingman Profiler Device/game controllers/properties/settings: Overall 75% Spring 100% Damping 20% In specific game settings 120% force (this is where I fine tune) In core.ini and Winroc damping 3.5 latency 0.035 force 210 All the best, Lol SpeedFreek (UKGPL league administrator) Sideshow Bob wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >Apologies if this is a FAQ... (SNIP)

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> >Apologies if this is a FAQ... > >Every now and then the wheel (on the "car") snaps to one side then >recenters. Occasionally, this will throw me out of control. It happened >once as I landed after the Flugplaz (nasty accident). > >I'd assumed it was my inexpensive wheel or SBLive! gameport. However, today >I bought a USB LWFF and the same thing happens except now it's really >pissing me off because the LWFF jumps when it happens. It's a brand new >wheel so it's not likely to be dirty pots. > >I see on the GPL eGroup that this is common but I couldn't find a good >solution. Is there a fix/solution for this. > >Thanks, >Dale. > >--

same crap happens to me except its with a Thrustmaster Pro Digital Wheels any ideas or suggestions?

same ***happens to me except its with a Thrustmaster Pro Digital Wheels any ideas or suggestions?

"SpeedFreek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:92uflv$42i$[email hidden]... > Either of these things can cause "spikes" in > the force feedback, which makes the wheel suddenly jerk when it > shouldn't. I was getting it with my old non-force feedback wheel too. > Having said that, your example of it happening as you > landed at Flugplatz isn't a good one because I would expect the > wheel to jerk a bit on landing anyway. I wasn't too clear there. The wheel actually moved severely while I was in the air. When I landed the wheels weren't straightened yet sending me off into the fencing. That said, it seems to happen under almost any driving condition. Now this is where it gets worrying... I just fired up F1 2000 and it's happening there but only when I go fast. If I cruise around the track in low revs the wheel (on the screen) is fine but as soon as I get the RPMs up high it'll jump. This is weird because it happened in GPL with an Interact V3 wheel/SB Live! gameport and a LWFF/USB. What is happening? These are very quick full-lock (then back) snaps.

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> For what it's worth (Different PCs and driver configs seem to give > different results), my LWFF settings are as follows: > > Iin Wingman Profiler Device/game controllers/properties/settings: > Overall 75% Spring 100% Damping 20% > > In specific game settings 120% force (this is where I fine tune) > > In core.ini and Winroc > damping 3.5 latency 0.035 force 210 >

Thanks. I've been looking for some LWFF settings to try. SB. -- -------------------------------------------- return email invalid reply to me in this newsgroup

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (TRUSRS85) wrote: > > > >Apologies if this is a FAQ... > > > >Every now and then the wheel (on the "car") snaps to one side then > >recenters. Occasionally, this will throw me out of control. Ithappened > >once as I landed after the Flugplaz (nasty accident). > > > >I'd assumed it was my inexpensive wheel or SBLive! gameport.However, today > >I bought a USB LWFF and the same thing happens except now it's really > >pissing me off because the LWFF jumps when it happens. It's a brandnew > >wheel so it's not likely to be dirty pots. > > > >I see on the GPL eGroup that this is common but I couldn't find agood

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> >solution. Is there a fix/solution for this. > > > >Thanks, > >Dale. > > > >-- > > same crap happens to me > except its with a Thrustmaster Pro Digital Wheels > > any ideas or suggestions?

I had this with a ActLabs RSForce wheel - developed over the first few weeks .... after email to ActLab support who (to my surprise) gave me permission to take the cover off and see what I could find (I'd assumed that this would come under the catergory of "behaviour likely to void your warrenty") I tracked it down to a a dry solder joint on one of the pot connections. However, as you say this happened on 2 wheels it perhaps not likely to be the same mecahnical failure on both. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

TRUSRS85 wrote: > > same crap happens to me > except its with a Thrustmaster Pro Digital Wheels > > any ideas or suggestions? If it's not bad pots, it could be a problem with polling of the wheel. In your Game Controller applet, there should be a setting Poll with Interrupts Enabled. Uncheck this and see if it helps. -Gregor

It could be possible you are experiencing tire damage. Sometimes, I know MANY folks here will find this hard to believe, I have smacked a wall rather forcefully. At first blush the car seems fine but as I motor away the car will get very squirrely and the wheel will jerk occaisionally. If I retire at that point, the reason will usually be 'puncture' or something similar. Just a possibility. dave henrie "SpeedFreek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:92uflv$42i$[email hidden]... > It sounds to me like you have the steering torque setting in the > core.ini set too low

You can try fixing the FF settings ni the core.ini but it'll still happen. I don;t know if it's supposed to simulate a pothole or bump in a road or what but it's not done very well if the wheel can be taken out of your hands on the straight at Monza, I'd assume that's a bit flatter than Rouen! Sideshow Bob <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Apologies if this is a FAQ... > > Every now and then the wheel (on the "car") snaps to one side then > recenters. Occasionally, this will throw me out of control. It happened > once as I landed after the Flugplaz (nasty accident). > > I'd assumed it was my inexpensive wheel or SBLive! gameport. However,

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> I bought a USB LWFF and the same thing happens except now it's really > pissing me off because the LWFF jumps when it happens. It's a brand new > wheel so it's not likely to be dirty pots. > > I see on the GPL eGroup that this is common but I couldn't find a good > solution. Is there a fix/solution for this. > > Thanks, > Dale. > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > return email invalid > reply to me in this newsgroup, please > -------------------------------------------- > > > >

Dave Henrie wrote in message ... > It could be possible you are experiencing tire damage. Sometimes, I know >MANY folks here will find this hard to believe, I have smacked a wall >rather forcefully. At first blush the car seems fine but as I motor away >the car will get very squirrely and the wheel will jerk occaisionally Yeah, I noticed that for the first time last night. About 2 minutes after clipping a wall it felt like I'd lost the rear suspension. Later it occured to me that it might have been a flat. Is that modeled in GPL? However, I get this wheel jerking sometimes right after pulling (easily) out of the pits. If I can get it to happen tonight I'll save a reply file and I'll post it to the binaries group. SB.

GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote in message <92vr32$d91$[email hidden]>... >You can try fixing the FF settings ni the core.ini but it'll still happen. > >I don;t know if it's supposed to simulate a pothole or bump in a road or >what but it's not done very well if the wheel can be taken out of yourhands >on the straight at Monza, I'd assume that's a bit flatter than Rouen! > What's odd is the *exact* same thing happens in F1 2000 and has happened through several different combinations of hardware (including two completely different systems) so I'm wondering if it's something simulated in the game engines that's supposed to happen. SB.

Happens to me but only when online....I think i need the glide fix GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:92vr32$d91$[email hidden]... > You can try fixing the FF settings ni the core.ini but it'll still happen. > > I don;t know if it's supposed to simulate a pothole or bump in a road or > what but it's not done very well if the wheel can be taken out of yourhands

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> on the straight at Monza, I'd assume that's a bit flatter than Rouen! > > > Sideshow Bob <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Apologies if this is a FAQ... > > > > Every now and then the wheel (on the "car") snaps to one side then > > recenters. Occasionally, this will throw me out of control. It

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> > once as I landed after the Flugplaz (nasty accident). > > > > I'd assumed it was my inexpensive wheel or SBLive! gameport. However, > today > > I bought a USB LWFF and the same thing happens except now it's really > > pissing me off because the LWFF jumps when it happens. It's a brand new > > wheel so it's not likely to be dirty pots. > > > > I see on the GPL eGroup that this is common but I couldn't find a good > > solution. Is there a fix/solution for this. > > > > Thanks, > > Dale. > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------- > > return email invalid > > reply to me in this newsgroup, please > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > >

interesting symptoms. Are you overdriving your cpu? Perhaps overclocking is scrambling system's inputs. I'd start looking for less obvious solutions..i.e. irq conflicts. Try REMOVING your soundcard. (first from your windows enviroment via the device manager) then when it's un-installed, take the card completely out. Try putting a fairly big fan to blow into your cpu box. If heat buildup is a problem, this might lessen it. Something is causing a conflict in your system. Go back to the device manager and make sure there are NO red X's or yellow ?'s infront of any of your components. Good luck. dave henrie "Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "SpeedFreek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:92uflv$42i$[email hidden]... > > Either of these things can cause "spikes" in > > the force feedback, which makes the wheel suddenly jerk when it > > shouldn't. > > I was getting it with my old non-force feedback wheel too. > > > Having said that, your example of it happening as you > > landed at Flugplatz isn't a good one because I would expect the > > wheel to jerk a bit on landing anyway. > > I wasn't too clear there. The wheel actually moved severely while I was

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> the air. When I landed the wheels weren't straightened yet sending me off > into the fencing. That said, it seems to happen under almost any driving > condition. > > Now this is where it gets worrying... I just fired up F1 2000 and it's > happening there but only when I go fast. If I cruise around the track in > low revs the wheel (on the screen) is fine but as soon as I get the RPMs

up > high it'll jump. > > This is weird because it happened in GPL with an Interact V3 wheel/SBLive! > gameport and a LWFF/USB. What is happening? These are very quickfull-lock

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> (then back) snaps. > > > For what it's worth (Different PCs and driver configs seem to give > > different results), my LWFF settings are as follows: > > > > Iin Wingman Profiler Device/game controllers/properties/settings: > > Overall 75% Spring 100% Damping 20% > > > > In specific game settings 120% force (this is where I fine tune) > > > > In core.ini and Winroc > > damping 3.5 latency 0.035 force 210 > > > > Thanks. I've been looking for some LWFF settings to try. > > SB. > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > return email invalid > reply to me in this newsgroup > > > >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0WP46.226395$[email hidden]... > interesting symptoms. Are you overdriving your cpu? Nope. > Perhaps overclocking > is scrambling system's inputs. I'd start looking for less obvious > solutions..i.e. > irq conflicts. Nope. I'm running W2K Pro with ACPI HAL which shouldn't have IRQ issues. > Try REMOVING your soundcard. (first from your windows > enviroment via the device manager) then when it's un-installed, take the > card completely out. Perhaps a last resort to try... > Try putting a fairly big fan to blow into your cpu box. If heat buildup > is a problem, this might lessen it. Heat is not a problem. CPU is 30C and MB is 28C. > Something is causing a conflict in your > system. I don't think so as this has followed me through three systems now. The only constant is that each system had a SBLive but I think the happened with GPL on my wife's PC which has a "classic" ISA SB16 card. > Go back to the device manager and make sure there are NO red X's or yellow > ?'s infront of any of your components. Good luck. All is fine there, too. Thanks for the suggestions though. It seems that this isn't an uncommon problem. For now I've dialed down the FF a bit and will live with it. SB. -- -------------------------------------------- return email invalid reply to me in this newsgroup

"Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > If I can get it to happen tonight I'll save a reply file and > I'll post it to the binaries group. > OK, I've got a 4 sec. replay clip that shows the problem - posted to alt.binaries.simulators.autos. Switch to the in-car camera and watch the wheel. SB. -- -------------------------------------------- return email invalid reply to me in this newsgroup

Semi <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9301e4$9or$[email hidden]... > Happens to me but only when online....I think i need the glide fix yeah it ahppens a lot more online... you could try lower the strenghtof the feedack maybe? > GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:92vr32$d91$[email hidden]... > > You can try fixing the FF settings ni the core.ini but it'll stillhappen.

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> > > > I don;t know if it's supposed to simulate a pothole or bump in a road or > > what but it's not done very well if the wheel can be taken out of your > hands > > on the straight at Monza, I'd assume that's a bit flatter than Rouen! > > > > > > Sideshow Bob <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Apologies if this is a FAQ... > > > > > > Every now and then the wheel (on the "car") snaps to one side then > > > recenters. Occasionally, this will throw me out of control. It > happened > > > once as I landed after the Flugplaz (nasty accident). > > > > > > I'd assumed it was my inexpensive wheel or SBLive! gameport. However, > > today > > > I bought a USB LWFF and the same thing happens except now it's really > > > pissing me off because the LWFF jumps when it happens. It's a brand

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> > > wheel so it's not likely to be dirty pots. > > > > > > I see on the GPL eGroup that this is common but I couldn't find a good > > > solution. Is there a fix/solution for this. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dale. > > > > > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > return email invalid > > > reply to me in this newsgroup, please > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

You also can post your problem in the LWFF-eGroup (link on my webpage). I'm a bit puzzled that you got the problem before *and* after the change to your new Logi. Elsewhere my statement would be the following: Steering pot is worn out, or: With the Logi there is spiking from improper adjusted Forces. Especially the latency and the damping values have a significant influence on spiking. For further info check out the thread about FF-settings, which is just running here. Hope this helps JensSchumi On Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:26:22 -0800, "Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Apologies if this is a FAQ... > >Every now and then the wheel (on the "car") snaps to one side then >recenters. Occasionally, this will throw me out of control. It happened >once as I landed after the Flugplaz (nasty accident).<snip> --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/ GPLRank: -8.3

You also can post your problem in the LWFF-eGroup (link on my webpage). I'm a bit puzzled that you got the problem before *and* after the change to your new Logi. Elsewhere my statement would be the following: Steering pot is worn out, or: With the Logi there is spiking from improper adjusted Forces. Especially the latency and the damping values have a significant influence on spiking. For further info check out the thread about FF-settings, which is just running here. Hope this helps JensSchumi On Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:26:22 -0800, "Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Apologies if this is a FAQ... > >Every now and then the wheel (on the "car") snaps to one side then >recenters. Occasionally, this will throw me out of control. It happened >once as I landed after the Flugplaz (nasty accident).<snip> --------------------------------------------- LWFF Ball Bearing conversion at: http://members.nbci.com/JensSchu/ GPLRank: -8.3