GPL (re-installed) - question about er....aerodynamic stickability.

Ohhhhhkay...right. I've had this thing about a year now and every time I (tried) to play it and be any good its ended up driving me nuts and acting like a bear with a wasp up its bum. I used to get so pissed-off by my off-track antics that I would inevitably take a huff, blame "goddamned unrealistic" physics and delete the bugger asap. But while tootling about in Le Mans (one constipated game going nowhere) during the Christmas break I, in a moment of drunken stupidity re-installed GPL again for something to do. Now I've decided to take a whole new arse first approach to getting up to slow-mo speed with this thing by asking (begging?) fer some "glued to the road" tips in my quest fer GPL respectability amongst you my peers or er....if any of you know of certain utilities that'll help me in my search fer frontwheel stickability by cheating. Ian GPL virgin...again.

Well, No cheats available to stick the car to the road afaik, but what you can do is use the engine changer utility to put an F3 or F2 engine into an F1 chassis. More grip + less power = easier to drive. A setup trick to make the front of the car more dominant in turn-in response (generally speaking) is to run softer dampers at the rear then at the front. Jan. =--- idav wrote... > <snip> if any of you know of certain utilities that'll > help me in my search fer frontwheel stickability by > cheating. > > Ian > GPL virgin...again.

You won't get any respect for cheating! What you should do is start off by practicing in the trainer, until you can handle it. Then move up to the advanced trainer! The thing to remember, these cars did not have the benefits of wings to keep them stuck to the track! The full spec cars have a lot of torque, which is difficult for novices to handle! So, practice, practice, and practice. One thing that helps is to practice some laps without using the brakes! Of course, you will be slower, but you should be a lot smoother with the car. Remember, take it easy! These cars are very powerful! enjoy the sim! - brian

>Now I've decided to take a whole new arse first approach to getting up to >slow-mo speed with this thing by asking (begging?) fer some "glued to the >road" tips in my quest fer GPL respectability amongst you my peers or >er....if any of you know of certain utilities that'll help me in my search >fer frontwheel stickability by cheating. >Get Alison Hine's setups for the Coventry. Next best thing to cheating. bob

Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, > > No cheats available to stick the car to the road afaik, but what youcan do > is use the engine changer utility to put an F3 or F2 engine into anF1 > chassis. More grip + less power = easier to drive. > > A setup trick to make the front of the car more dominant in turn-inresponse > (generally speaking) is to run softer dampers at the rear then atthe front. > > Jan.Are you quite sure that's the right way around? I've been working on the principle that softer suspension at back or front would increase the balance of grip (if any!) to the end you soften.?? (Not that any setup change helps me in the least - I have just GOT to learn to brake smoothly and progressively in total absence of feedback from brake pedal. Anyone got foam rubber wedged under it?). -- Laurence Wilmer [email hidden] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.217 / Virus Database: 102 - Release Date: 01/12/00

"driver reacts to stiffest end", I thought? Note I didn't say it would give the front end more stick, just makes the handling of the car more front dominated. Jan. =--- Laurence Wilmer wrote...

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> > <snip> > Are you quite sure that's the right way around? I've been > working on the principle that softer suspension at back or > front would increase the balance of grip (if any!) to the > end you soften.?? > > (Not that any setup change helps me in the least - I have > just GOT to learn to brake smoothly and progressively in > total absence of feedback from brake pedal. Anyone got > foam rubber wedged under it?). > > -- > Laurence Wilmer

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (RenderedBrian) writes: >One thing that helps is to practice some laps without using the brakes! Of >course, you will be slower, but you should be a lot smoother with the car. *Without* the brakes?!? Sounds like something I read on Nunnini's site. I didn't understand it there, either. Sure, I can get through corners without the brakes(except the hairpins, I guess). But I'd have to let off way early and coast through in granny mode. What's the point in that? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Showing a slight lack of imagination there Eldred... :-) Anyway, the object of the exercise is to force you to plan/look ahead and concentrate on your sense of speed, rather than drive the track geographically. The latter, as you pointed out in another thread, can be dangerous if through a racing situation you lose sight of your "marker". Ideally, you would use the marker not to control your actions, but rather as a reminder for the action, the actual execution being controlled by your sense of traction and speed. It's bit of a leap of faith and it does take a lot practise to acchieve, but it pays big dividends when you're trying to apply pressure or dealing with varying vehicle characteristics (as in long races where the startline weight is significantly higher than in qualifying/practise). EldredP wrote...

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><snip> >*Without* the brakes?!? Sounds like something I read on >Nunnini's site. I didn't understand it there, either. Sure, I can >get through corners without the brakes(except the hairpins, I >guess). But I'd have to let off way early and coast through in > granny mode. What's the point in that? > >Eldred

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] (RenderedBrian) writes: > >>One thing that helps is to practice some laps without using the brakes! >> Of course, you will be slower, but you should be a lot smoother with >>the car. > >*Without* the brakes?!? Sounds like something I read on Nunnini's site. > I didn't understand it there, either. Sure, I can get through corners >without the brakes(except the hairpins, I guess). But I'd have to let >off way early and coast through in granny mode. What's the point in >that? >

True, brakes would have to be used for very sharp turns. I suppose the idea of driving like this is to make you drive smoothly and under control. - brian

In article <q1D56.83235$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >Showing a slight lack of imagination there Eldred... :-) >Probably...<g>

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>Anyway, the object of the exercise is to force you to plan/look ahead and >concentrate on your sense of speed, rather than drive the track >geographically. The latter, as you pointed out in another thread, can be >dangerous if through a racing situation you lose sight of your "marker". > >Ideally, you would use the marker not to control your actions, but rather as >a reminder for the action, the actual execution being controlled by your >sense of traction and speed. It's bit of a leap of faith and it does take a >lot practise to acchieve, but it pays big dividends when you're trying to >apply pressure or dealing with varying vehicle characteristics (as in long >races where the startline weight is significantly higher than in >qualifying/practise).

Hmm...sounds complicated. Well, back to the track, I guess... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

in theory if you make the back softer you will get a better turn in, but you will understeer as soon as you touch the throttle coming out of the corner (all the weight going to the back and the dampers not slowing down the weight transfer...) "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: [email hidden]... > "driver reacts to stiffest end", I thought? Note I didn't say it wouldgive

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> the front end more stick, just makes the handling of the car more front > dominated. > > Jan. > =--- > Laurence Wilmer wrote... > > > > <snip> > > Are you quite sure that's the right way around? I've been > > working on the principle that softer suspension at back or > > front would increase the balance of grip (if any!) to the > > end you soften.?? > > > > (Not that any setup change helps me in the least - I have > > just GOT to learn to brake smoothly and progressively in > > total absence of feedback from brake pedal. Anyone got > > foam rubber wedged under it?). > > > > -- > > Laurence Wilmer > > >

>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote > Eldred > -- > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80... What the? I take some vacation, have some fun partying and I come back to see THIS?? THAT?? Argh... Oh the humanity!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) :-( ;-D You've passed me! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.