[GPL] Nuburging, utility needed

Hi all ! I manange a sub 8:10 ( 8:08.38 ) at the Ring ... cool ! But my goal is sub 8:00.. and i really need to practice some turns . I read sometimes that there was an utility to place the car wherever you want on track at practice's start but i can't find it at the us pits. Do you know where to find it ? Another question : the spring of my MS FF Wheel accel's pedal broke , i put a squash ball to replace it , do you know a better solution ? The spring is so odd that i can't find it in any store :o( Tks in advance regards, Seb - GPLRank -36.24

"S�bastien Tixier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi all ! > > I manange a sub 8:10 ( 8:08.38 ) at the Ring ... cool ! But my goal is > sub 8:00.. and i really need to practice some turns . > > I read sometimes that there was an utility to place the car wherever you > want on track at practice's start but i can't find it at the us pits. Do > you know where to find it ?

It's called the Ringtrainer. You can get it here: http://pelit.saunalahti.fi/telenation/sports-gaming/legends/utils/ -- don GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: http://www.ianparker.co.uk/gpl/bapom/

It's called the Ringtrainer. You can get it here: http://pelit.saunalahti.fi/telenation/sports-gaming/legends/utils/ -- don GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: http://www.ianparker.co.uk/gpl/bapom/

"S�bastien Tixier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hi all ! > > I manange a sub 8:10 ( 8:08.38 ) at the Ring ... cool ! But my goal is > sub 8:00.. and i really need to practice some turns . > > I read sometimes that there was an utility to place the car wherever you > want on track at practice's start but i can't find it at the us pits. Do > you know where to find it ?

Sorry, this is a better site than in my first post: http://www.joachimblum.de/ringtrainer.htm don

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> > "S�bastien Tixier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hi all ! > > > > I manange a sub 8:10 ( 8:08.38 ) at the Ring ... cool ! But my goal is > > sub 8:00.. and i really need to practice some turns . > > > > I read sometimes that there was an utility to place the car wherever you > > want on track at practice's start but i can't find it at the us pits. Do > > you know where to find it ? > > It's called the Ringtrainer. You can get it here: > http://pelit.saunalahti.fi/telenation/sports-gaming/legends/utils/

Hi! This is the old (German) version of Ringtrainer. Get the new (English) one here: http://www.joachimblum.de/Ringtrainer.htm I think, I've got to drop a mail to the webmaster of that above site ;)). Regards Crash

Thank you ! > This is the old (German) version of Ringtrainer. Get the new (English) one > here: > http://www.joachimblum.de/Ringtrainer.htm > I think, I've got to drop a mail to the webmaster of that above site ;)). Seb

In article <[email hidden]>, S�bastien Tixier <[email hidden]> writes: > Another question : the spring of my MS FF Wheel accel's pedal broke , i > put a squash ball to replace it , do you know a better solution ? The > spring is so odd that i can't find it in any store :o( The same thing happened to my Thrustmaster T2. Turns out, Thrustmaster sells replacements via their website. You might check to see if MS does the same. Maybe if you're super lucky, the TM spring might even fit. Of course, TM wants $13.50 for the damn thing, which is probably worth about 3 cents.... Marc

Thrustmaster _used_ to give them away because they broke so often. Hey, they have reinvented the razor blade! Give away the wheel cheap, sell the springs for $13.50! It will be very interesting to see how you get this spring out of MS. [insert your favorite joke line here, including the words "Bill", "Tight" and "Ass"] I can hear it now. "Please box up your entire wheel and pedals, and ship to us with a check enclosed for the $90 flat-repair fee". I sure hope not :) I have TWO of them! -Larry "Marc Fraioli" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:m2P66.13882$[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > S�bastien Tixier <[email hidden]> writes: > > Another question : the spring of my MS FF Wheel accel's pedal broke , i > > put a squash ball to replace it , do you know a better solution ? The > > spring is so odd that i can't find it in any store :o( > > The same thing happened to my Thrustmaster T2. Turns out, Thrustmaster > sells replacements via their website. You might check to see if MS does > the same. Maybe if you're super lucky, the TM spring might even fit. > Of course, TM wants $13.50 for the damn thing, which is probably worth > about 3 cents.... > > Marc

In article <PaS66.11052$[email hidden]>, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Thrustmaster _used_ to give them away because they broke so often. > > Hey, they have reinvented the razor blade! > > Give away the wheel cheap, sell the springs for $13.50! > > It will be very interesting to see how you get this spring out of MS. > [insert your favorite joke line here, including the words "Bill",

"Tight" > and "Ass"] > > I can hear it now. "Please box up your entire wheel and pedals, andship to > us with a check enclosed for the $90 flat-repair fee". > > I sure hope not :) I have TWO of them! When I had problems with a (nearly new) ActLAb ForceRS I was expecting this response (well - as it should have been under warranty I was only anticipating having to pay to send it) so I was quite surprised and delighted to get a prompt email response to a request to tech support which basically said that if I was willing I should take the wheel apart and let them know what parts I needed to fix it ... turned out to be a bad solder joint on one of the pot contacts so I fixed it fairly quickly. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PaS66.11052$[email hidden] om... > Thrustmaster _used_ to give them away becausethey broke so often. > > Hey, they have reinvented the razor blade! > > Give away the wheel cheap, sell the springs for$13.50! > > It will be very interesting to see how you getthis spring out of MS. > [insert your favorite joke line here, includingthe words "Bill", "Tight" > and "Ass"] > > I can hear it now. "Please box up your entirewheel and pedals, and ship to > us with a check enclosed for the $90 flat-repairfee". > > I sure hope not :) I have TWO of them! > > -Larry When the throttle spring broke on my M$FF about 2 months back, I rang micro$oft and after a lot of shouting and asking to talk to managers etc., they sent me a brand new set of pedals. Didn't even ask for my old set back and the wheel was 13 months old then, still got the old pedals so I've got a spare spring when it breaks again. Phone them up, if they don't co-operate SHOUT, and don't take no for an answer. Mark

In article <[email hidden]>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= Tixier <[email hidden]> writes: >I manange a sub 8:10 ( 8:08.38 ) at the Ring ... cool ! But my goal is >sub 8:00.. and i really need to practice some turns . You did that WITHOUT ever using RingTrainer? Wow... How'd you do it - just tons of practice? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= > Tixier <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I manange a sub 8:10 ( 8:08.38 ) at the Ring ... cool ! But my goal is > >sub 8:00.. and i really need to practice some turns . > > You did that WITHOUT ever using RingTrainer? Wow... How'd you do it - just > tons of practice?

1)The most important ,i think, is to drive safe, no crash, to learn the track, then slowly increase speed in each turns . 2)I'm playing the game since the demo at least 1 hour per week, so i've lot of practice too. 3)G-Huttu setups help a lot ( with a more human brake ratio :o) ). 4)I've downloaded lots of replays from different top drivers , i use GPLDump to compare their replays to mine. 5)Hm... what else... lots of patience and some Quake Arena to un-stress ;o) Seb - GPLRank -36.24

If Microsoft still don't give you a new set of pedals (warranty expired etc) you can take the broken spring or the working one to a spring manufacturer for duplication. Costs a pretty penny though. Roger

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> When the throttle spring broke on my M$FF about 2 > months > back, I rang micro$oft and after a lot of shouting > and asking to > talk to managers etc., they sent me a brand new > set of pedals. > Didn't even ask for my old set back and the wheel > was 13 months > old then, still got the old pedals so I've got a > spare spring when it > breaks again. > > Phone them up, if they don't co-operate SHOUT, and > don't take no > for an answer. > > Mark > > > > >

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>EldredP wrote: > >> In article <[email hidden]>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= >> Tixier <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >I manange a sub 8:10 ( 8:08.38 ) at the Ring ... cool ! But my goal is >> >sub 8:00.. and i really need to practice some turns . >> >> You did that WITHOUT ever using RingTrainer? Wow... How'd you do it - >just >> tons of practice? > >1)The most important ,i think, is to drive safe, no crash, to learn the >track, >then slowly increase speed in each turns . > >2)I'm playing the game since the demo at least 1 hour per week, so i've lot >of >practice too.

I've turned a lot of laps. I couldn't say how many, but... > >3)G-Huttu setups help a lot ( with a more human brake ratio :o) ). I discovered that I couldn't drive Huttu's setups, so I stopped trying them... > >4)I've downloaded lots of replays from different top drivers , i use GPLDump >to >compare their replays to mine. > I've done that, but with ReplayAnalyzer and SpyGirl. The problem is, I only see that I'm slower EVERYWHERE. That doesn't seem to help me, or I just don't know what to look for/at. Is GPLDump better? >5)Hm... what else... lots of patience and some Quake Arena to un-stress ;o) Quake stopped working on my system...and I was never very good at it anyway... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20010111190332.02315.00001312@nso-> > > I've done that, but with ReplayAnalyzer and SpyGirl. The problem is, I only > see that I'm slower EVERYWHERE. That doesn't seem to help me, or I justdon't > know what to look for/at. When I use RA, I often compare myself against fast guys (Huttu for example) but not in terms of speed, just in terms of line. I let the replay run through, ignoring the fact that they are way ahead, then zoom in and scroll around by hand looking for places where their line differs significantly from mine. Then I try to work on that particular segment of the track and see if my times improve. This doesn't always help because those guys have different driving styles and more control, but often it helps me find the fast way around. I did this a lot with the Papy replays in the past, and still am at Kyalami, trying to get that last elusive 2 tenths (starting to HATE Kyalami BTW). I also run the fast guy's replay to get an idea of braking points and gear choice, then go to the track while the memory is fresh to see if that helps. Obviously I temper that with the fact that if I brake anything less than 2 seconds earlier than GH on any given corner I will probably eat Armco <g>

EldredP wrote: > >3)G-Huttu setups help a lot ( with a more human brake ratio :o) ). > > I discovered that I couldn't drive Huttu's setups, so I stopped trying them... Well, the first time i try them there were very stable, but he change lots of things in all his setups, and now the car is very over-steering when rear tire are cold, and still quit over-steering when the tire are hot. But IMO with these new settings the slides are easyly to control. And this is very good for me because i use to drive sports cars ( propulsion ) like this : Turn the front with the hands , the rear with the foots :o) Anyway, his brakes ratios are very too on the rear for me . And it is absurdity to me that you need to apply gas when breaking to avoid the rear to lock ! In summary, i use G.Huttu setups with brake ratios more to the front. If Mr. G.Huttu is reading this maybe he could explain me how he tune his setups to have this wonderful slide control and front grip ?

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> > > >4)I've downloaded lots of replays from different top drivers , i use GPLDump > >to > >compare their replays to mine. > > > > I've done that, but with ReplayAnalyzer and SpyGirl. The problem is, I only > see that I'm slower EVERYWHERE. That doesn't seem to help me, or I just don't > know what to look for/at. Is GPLDump better?

Well, sometimes you are not fast enough because you don't know that the car can go faster on some turns.... But if you reach your limit before the car limit the Replays analyser can't helps you ... Maybe what you need is to see a good driver playing GPL in Live. In the begining i use too see the replays of top drivers in cockpit view WITH the steering wheel... too bad there is no pedals view :o) BTW, i've an idea for MR G.Huttu : what about a GPL driving school ? I mean a real one , where Mr. G.Huttu will teach us how too drive faster ? :o)))) -- Seb Game Developer GPLRank -36.24 http://magicfr.multimania.com

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:53:18 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= Tixier <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>EldredP wrote: > >> I discovered that I couldn't drive Huttu's setups, so I stopped trying them... > >Well, the first time i try them there were very stable, but he change lots of >things in all his setups, and now the car is very over-steering when rear tire are >cold, and still quit over-steering when the tire are hot. But IMO with these new >settings the slides are easyly to control. And this is very good for me because i >use to drive sports cars ( propulsion ) like this : Turn the front with the hands , >the rear with the foots :o) Anyway, his brakes ratios are very too on the rear for >me . And it is absurdity to me that you need to apply gas when breaking to avoid >the rear to lock ! >In summary, i use G.Huttu setups with brake ratios more to the front. > >If Mr. G.Huttu is reading this maybe he could explain me how he tune his setups to >have this wonderful slide control and front grip ?

Well, I'm not really a setup guru like some others but I just drive a few laps (usually 2-3) and see how the car feels, how fast or slow the lap times are and then I make some small changes to the setup. The things I change the most in the setup are ARBs, springs and dampers. Before changing those I try to get the tyre pressures right. On a new track I usually put 19-20 psi to all tyres and then check the pressure after doing the laps. My goal is to get all tyres to 25 psi when hot. Well, except Monza and Spa where I might add a click or two more pressure. Camber is also something I change before moving to another settings. With the front tyres I aim for the inside edge to be just a bit hotter than the outside edge and vice versa with the rear wheels. What else... gear ratios are pretty simple. I try to find a suitable gear for every corner of the track. Bump rubbers I try to keep at 1 inch. I'm not so sure about toe-in, I don't really feel a difference when changing it. Those are the basics. If you have other questions please ask. :) >BTW, i've an idea for MR G.Huttu : what about a GPL driving school ? I mean a real >one , where Mr. G.Huttu will teach us how too drive faster ? :o)))) What's the salary? <g>

"Greger Huttu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... A post from Above!! A blessing, a Blessing from Mr Huttu.... we are not worthy... (it's not often we get to chat with Gods...sorry If I went overboard) {but..."Hiya Greg" just seems so inadequate...} dave henrie

> Those are the basics. If you have other questions please ask. :) Well thanks that give me a start to make/modify my own setups ! > > >BTW, i've an idea for MR G.Huttu : what about a GPL driving school ? I mean a real > >one , where Mr. G.Huttu will teach us how too drive faster ? :o)))) > > What's the salary? <g> Well, all our respect and the gratifing feeling that you have help the sim community ? ;o) -- Seb Game Developer GPLRank -36.56 http://magicfr.multimania.com

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:48:48 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"Greger Huttu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... > > A post from Above!! A blessing, a Blessing from Mr Huttu.... >we are not worthy... >(it's not often we get to chat with Gods...sorry If I went overboard) Why doesn't anyone greet me like this on the street? On second thought... it would be a bit embarrasing. >{but..."Hiya Greg" just seems so inadequate...} Nooo, I'm a normal person except for the green stuff that flows in veins. :)

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:48:16 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= Tixier <[email hidden]> wrote: >> Those are the basics. If you have other questions please ask. :) > >Well thanks that give me a start to make/modify my own setups ! Good! Maybe I should write a bigger guide to my page.. although it wouldn't be even close to what is on Nunnini's site.

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>> >BTW, i've an idea for MR G.Huttu : what about a GPL driving school ? I mean a real >> >one , where Mr. G.Huttu will teach us how too drive faster ? :o)))) >> >> What's the salary? <g> > >Well, all our respect and the gratifing feeling that you have help the sim community ? >;o)

Ok, I'm cheap. What should I do then? :)

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>On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:48:16 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= >Tixier <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>> Those are the basics. If you have other questions please ask. :) >> >>Well thanks that give me a start to make/modify my own setups ! > >Good! Maybe I should write a bigger guide to my page.. although it >wouldn't be even close to what is on Nunnini's site. > >>> >BTW, i've an idea for MR G.Huttu : what about a GPL driving school ? >>> >I mean a real one , where Mr. G.Huttu will teach us how too drive >>> >faster ? :o)))) >>> >>> What's the salary? <g> >> >>Well, all our respect and the gratifing feeling that you have help the >>sim community ? ;o) > >Ok, I'm cheap. What should I do then? :)

Forget about becoming a writer. Just keep driving. I believe there still are few seats left in F1 for this season:> Alex (alexti)

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Greger Huttu) wrote: > Good! Maybe I should write a bigger guide to my page.. although it > wouldn't be even close to what is on Nunnini's site. Greger, what is your page URL? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

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>On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:53:18 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= >Tixier <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>BTW, i've an idea for MR G.Huttu : what about a GPL driving school ? I mean a real >>one , where Mr. G.Huttu will teach us how too drive faster ? :o)))) > >What's the salary? <g>

I think Eldred already offered his soul for a sub 8:00 time at the Ring. I don't have a clue what the current exchange rate for a desperate soul is, but a spare soul never hurts. Especially since you must have sold yours to the devil of racing years ago ;-) -Jari Please remove SPAMLESS when replying. Thank you. -- {~._.~} o Jari Ketola - if.iki@alotek - ICQ 7557999 - +358-50-3080693 ( Y ) : The University of Oulu Department of Electrical Engineering ()~*~() : Game&Watch - DVD - B5 - PSX - TV - http://www.AfterDawn.com (_)-(_) . [ View my DVD Collection on-line at http://tazty.com/dvd ]

In article <941h46$kfb$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Jari Ketola) writes:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Greger Huttu wrote: > >>On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:53:18 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= >>Tixier <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>>BTW, i've an idea for MR G.Huttu : what about a GPL driving school ? I mean >a real >>>one , where Mr. G.Huttu will teach us how too drive faster ? :o)))) >> >>What's the salary? <g> > >I think Eldred already offered his soul for a sub 8:00 time at the Ring. >I don't have a clue what the current exchange rate for a desperate >soul is, but a spare soul never hurts. Especially since you must >have sold yours to the devil of racing years ago ;-) > > -Jari

And the offer still stands...I'm not using my soul at the moment.<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:57:58 GMT, markgame <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Greger Huttu) wrote: > >> Good! Maybe I should write a bigger guide to my page.. although it >> wouldn't be even close to what is on Nunnini's site. > >Greger, what is your page URL?

http://koti.mbnet.fi/ghuttu/ My page is not a pretty sight though. :)

i didnt know you had a soul Eldred :-P lol Warren EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <941h46$kfb$[email hidden]>, [email hidden](Jari

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> >a real > >>>one , where Mr. G.Huttu will teach us how too drive faster ? :o)))) > >> > >>What's the salary? <g> > > > >I think Eldred already offered his soul for a sub 8:00 time at the Ring. > >I don't have a clue what the current exchange rate for a desperate > >soul is, but a spare soul never hurts. Especially since you must > >have sold yours to the devil of racing years ago ;-) > > > > -Jari > > And the offer still stands...I'm not using my soul at the moment.<g> > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.