Re: gpl - hot lap times w/ default car setup

My current GPL Rank is done with all the Default setups. Kya Lotus 1:20.44 Mex Lotus 1:48.88 Mon Brabham 1:27.31 Monza Lotus 1:28.76 Mosport Lotus 1:22.27 (Did a 1:21.x recently) N'ring Lotus 8:14.72 Rouen Lotus 1:57.39 Sil Lotus 1:28.27 Spa Lotus 3:17.88 (changed setup in desperation after being 1 sec off the pace in a league race :) My default pb at Spa is prolly high 3:18.x) Wat Lotus 1:05.57 Zand Lotus 1:24.99 My GPL handicap: -23.740 ToddT wrote: > what are some "hot laps" times people have had at various tracks in gpl? i'm > curious to know how i stand... -- Rob Swindells /////////////

what are some "hot laps" times people have had at various tracks in gpl? i'm curious to know how i stand...

ToddT wrote: > what are some "hot laps" times people have had at various tracks in gpl? i'm > curious to know how i stand... Hi Todd, Try GPLRank at http://newgplrank.schuerkamp.de/ and compare yourself to a couple of thousand people. For more GPL stuff (as you sound like you are new to the GPL community) try http://users.bart.nl/~hansvd/links.html Cheers & welcome, Jens

I must have missed the default setup section of GPLRank. Is there a separate ranking setup just for default setup that I have missed? JB "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > ToddT wrote: > > > what are some "hot laps" times people have had at various tracks in gpl?i'm

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> > curious to know how i stand... > > Hi Todd, > > Try GPLRank at http://newgplrank.schuerkamp.de/ and compare yourself to > a couple of thousand people. > > For more GPL stuff (as you sound like you are new to the GPL community) > try http://users.bart.nl/~hansvd/links.html > > Cheers & welcome, > Jens > >

Nope, no such thing - Jens didn't read your post title carefully. Malcom Edelson (aka "MAXX" - probably misspelled his name, sorry) has a training package called GPLEGS, part of which discusses the use of the default setups. Most of this material is on Eldred Pickett's web site. I doubt you'll find anybody who has a complete set of lap times using the default setups. Most people either do their own setups (ick) or download them off the web (like me - all I know how to do is add/remove fuel). "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gDo76.14485$[email hidden]...

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> I must have missed the default setup section of GPLRank. Is there a > separate ranking setup just for default setup that I have missed? > > JB > > "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > ToddT wrote: > > > > > what are some "hot laps" times people have had at various tracks in

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> i'm > > > curious to know how i stand... > > > > Hi Todd, > > > > Try GPLRank at http://newgplrank.schuerkamp.de/ and compare yourself to > > a couple of thousand people. > > > > For more GPL stuff (as you sound like you are new to the GPL community) > > try http://users.bart.nl/~hansvd/links.html > > > > Cheers & welcome, > > Jens > > > > > >

These times of mine were all done with default setups (reduced fuel load). These sort of times give you a GPLRank of about +20 s. Watkins Glen 1:06.56 Silverstone 1:30.63 Monaco 1:30.01 Zandvoort 1:28.47 Monza 1:29.14 Rouen 2:01.18 Mexico 1:50.94 Spa 3:24.52 Kyalami 1:22.03 Mosport 1:23.77 N�rburgring 8:32.37 "ToddT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3dn76.171$[email hidden]... > what are some "hot laps" times people have had at various tracks in gpl?i'm > curious to know how i stand... > >

Rob Adams wrote: > Nope, no such thing - Jens didn't read your post title carefully. That's right. :-) >Malcom Edelson (aka "MAXX" - probably misspelled his name, sorry) Malcolm Edeson - you had the letters right. :-) /Jens

In article <QKp76.30847$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>These times of mine were all done with default setups (reduced fuel load). >These sort of times give you a GPLRank of about +20 s. > >Watkins Glen 1:06.56 >Silverstone 1:30.63 >Monaco 1:30.01 >Zandvoort 1:28.47 >Monza 1:29.14 >Rouen 2:01.18 >Mexico 1:50.94 >Spa 3:24.52 >Kyalami 1:22.03 >Mosport 1:23.77 >N�rburgring 8:32.37 >

Uh, which car? :-) Lessee... All those beat my PB except Zandvoort and Spa. Oy, that's depressing... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"ToddT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3dn76.171$[email hidden]... > what are some "hot laps" times people have had at various tracks in gpl?i'm > curious to know how i stand... >I have only just started using non-default set-ups, and up until that point had a GPL rank of about +19. I can't remember my exact times, but they were around the following (all with the Lotus, I believe): Monza 1:29.2 WG: 1:06.0 'Ring: 8:36 Rouen 2:00.0 Silverstone 1:30.0 Can't remember any more - sorry! Ian Ian Riches (GPL Rank +15.88) Bedford, UK

On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:23:44 GMT, "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Nope, no such thing - Jens didn't read your post title carefully. Malcom >Edelson (aka "MAXX" - probably misspelled his name, sorry) has a training >package called GPLEGS, part of which discusses the use of the default >setups. Most of this material is on Eldred Pickett's web site. The GPLEGS package on Eldreds site has some useful information but I followed it up with some posts specifically on the subject of using default setups. I've since added these posts to the GPLEGS zip file and will today send the updated package to Eldred. I did some sample laps of Monza, Silverstone and Watkins Glenn with the defaults, nothing spectacular but all under the Papy time, you can get them here : http://www.umich.edu/~epickett/gpl.htm The GPLEGS text and the additional posting about using the defaults setups is also available to read online here : http://users.bart.nl/~hansvd/school/ Essentially I was saying that the default setups are, IMO perfectly good enough to get you 0.0 rank. I wasn't saying stick with them till you are 0.0 though, just be careful not to spend too long, if you are +50 or more, trying different setups and especially trying to drive the very specialist setups of the real hotshoes. Whilst I'm still of the opinion that looking around for and trying different setups looking for the holy grail to knock seconds off your laptimes is not the fastest way to improve I think it is useful to try different setups AND DIFFERENT CARS if you find yourself struggling to improve at all. All practice is good practice, take the Cooper/Honda or BRM out for a spin occasionally, you're unlikley to set a new PB with these cars (and that fact alone may make you drive more ... sensibly) but they will teach you a little more about handling characteristics. It also gets you away from driving the same car, same track, same line, same braking point type of fixed mentality. Heres a post by Richard Mathews, a GPLEGS "student", which was posted to the High Gear GPL forum yesterday which is along similar lines) =================================================== "In praise of the Floppy Car", by Richard Mathews =================================================== This post is only for the guys who, like me, suffer from really bad days when the car just won't go where you want it to go. The rest of you hot-lappers needn't bother reading further. Right, do you have good days in GPL when the car communicates with you and you feel totally in control? Do you also have days when the car just feels like some moving icon on the screen and you just can't get any feel for what its doing and you end up crashing and crashing? Well this MAY help you on those bad days. The other night I was driving around Mosport trying to do all the right things - gently on the brakes - gently off the brakes - keep the car balanced -get a feel for what the car is doing. But it was all going horribly wrong. I was getting no feel for the car and what it was doing and I was way off my PB for the track. It was one of THOSE days! SO, I decided to give up on the PB's and instead I decided that my challenge for the day would be to have a go with an evil handling car and just see if I could keep it on the track. I took my trusty Honda, put all the spring rates to the minimum, likewise the damper rates and also the roll bar was put to zero. Then I added one click of roll bar at the rear just to make the car a bit tail happy and increase the challenge. Well a car in this state bounces about a bit and particularly if you are harsh with the pedals. The tail happy nature of the car means that if you get the car unbalanced - it tells you all about it. And in fact that is exactly what this set up does - it tells you all about what you are doing - and it tells it to you in big movements on the screen - you can't miss it! I had a fun few laps in that car - I obviously wasn't chasing any PB's but it was quite a challenge. But what I wasn't expecting was how it managed to 'switch on' my feel for the car which had been missing. After about 5 or 6 laps in the Floopy Car I went back to my original race car. It felt great and within 4 laps I had knocked 2 seconds off by PB!!!! (as PBs go, its still slow - but lets face it, it's about 4 seconds quicker than earlier in the evening!!) I tried the same thing at Zandvoort the following day and improved my PB by 1 sec. The 'Floppy Car' doesn't teach good technique but it sure as hell lets you know when you aren't being smooth. It kind of helps make up for those g force experiences that you use so much in real driving and miss so much with computer sims. So the next time you are having trouble getting 'dialed in', try a Floopy Car - it feels like and old bouncy Yank Tank but it might help your driving.

>=================================================== >"In praise of the Floppy Car", by Richard Mathews >=================================================== >After about 5 or 6 laps in the Floopy Car I went back to my original >race car. It felt great... Sometimes I take out my Floopy and play with it and it feels great, and.........opps, wrong newsgroup. Seriously, great idea. I sometimes, ok often, find myself totally out of the zone and don't know what to do. I'll give it a try. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -5.40 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.ringlord.com/

In article <QKp76.30847$[email hidden]>, Simon Brown <[email hidden]> writes >These times of mine were all done with default setups (reduced fuel load). >These sort of times give you a GPLRank of about +20 s. > I did these ages back (not all tracks) in June last year just as a test to see what I could achieve with defaults. All done on first run with low fuel (10 laps worth or so) and in the Lotus. I think they'll give you something to aim for. Gee, I was good back then, lol. Mine

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>Watkins Glen 1:06.56 1:05.29 >Silverstone 1:30.63 >Monaco 1:30.01 1:27.53 >Zandvoort 1:28.47 1:26.12 >Monza 1:29.14 1:28.29 >Rouen 2:01.18 >Mexico 1:50.94 1:48.34 >Spa 3:24.52 >Kyalami 1:22.03 1:20.64 >Mosport 1:23.77 >N�rburgring 8:32.37 > > >"ToddT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:3dn76.171$[email hidden]... >> what are some "hot laps" times people have had at various tracks in gpl? >i'm >> curious to know how i stand... >> >> > >

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Sadly, all my PB's are now in the Lotus. > Uh, which car? :-) Lessee... All those beat my PB except Zandvoort andSpa. > Oy, that's depressing... > > Eldred