sorry, I just have a question about IRL
With Firestone and Oldsmobile on the ropes, what is their future?
Let's see, the Oldsmobile engine becomes either a Caddy or Chevy engine.
That's not a hard one to figure out. More likely a Caddy since the Aurora
is based on the Northstar engine. And the Firestone issue is no different
for the IRL then it is for CART.
-Pav
Dan Drumm <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> sorry, I just have a question about IRL
>
> With Firestone and Oldsmobile on the ropes, what is their future?
Whose future? Firestone's, Oldsmobile's, or both?
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> sorry, I just have a question about IRL
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> With Firestone and Oldsmobile on the ropes, what is their future?
Dan Drumm wrote:
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> sorry, I just have a question about IRL
>
> With Firestone and Oldsmobile on the ropes, what is their future?
No Firestones = less blowouts.
;-)
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Dan Drumm wrote:
>
> sorry, I just have a question about IRL
>
> With Firestone and Oldsmobile on the ropes, what is their future?
Can't comment on the Olds situation but Firestone Racing is doing
fine and the committment to IRL is unchanged. Unfortunately, they are
not
interested in some other racing series (American LeMans, ...) that
I like but that is the way it goes.
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>sorry, I just have a question about IRL
>
>With Firestone and Oldsmobile on the ropes, what is their future?
>
Well, the engine will change names, and the worst case scenario puts Goodyear
back in open-wheel racing. The IRL looks to be much stronger than CART, at
least in the US. With the 500 and a set of established names (Unser, Mears,
possibly Dallenbach) in the American market, things look up.
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Alan
"DeadAndRestless" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >sorry, I just have a question about IRL
> >
> >With Firestone and Oldsmobile on the ropes, what is their future?
> Well, the engine will change names, and the worst case scenario putsGoodyear
> back in open-wheel racing. The IRL looks to be much stronger than CART, at
> least in the US. With the 500 and a set of established names (Unser,Mears,
> possibly Dallenbach) in the American market, things look up.
> -
> Alan Wha??? The IRL 'looks' stronger than CART????
Throw out the Indy attendance figures and compare the avg attendance.
Check out how many races CART runs this year vs IRL. How many Back of the
pack IRL drivers can win in CART?(I'll give ya a Hint, my favorite driver
of many years, Al jr, wins in IRL while the IRL champ doesn't get to pop
the champaigne while driving in CART..
A son of Rick Mears does not a series make. However, I'd love to see
more competitive Americans in CART, for that matter, I'd love to see more
competitive Americans in the IRL...hehehe
dave henrie
The IRL has many things going for it. It has the American drivers that CART
desparately needs to truly succeed in this country. Call it whatever you
want, that's just the way of things. F1 doesn't need it, but that's
probably about the only exception in series that can survive without a
noticable American presence (Ferrari is all it needs for the US pretty much,
and having Jacques along helps, too). IRL also has probably the better
formula of the two series. One of the reasons why proposals last season
were aimed at getting the CART formula closer to the IRL one in a few years
(2003 I believe). IRL is also finally beginning to expand, and expand
pretty well, and with the backing of ISC, that goes a long way, too.
However, the IRL's biggest problem is sponsorhsip. Once they can survive
without the large number of dot coms, it'll be a far stronger series for the
long term.
-Pav
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> "DeadAndRestless" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >sorry, I just have a question about IRL > > > > > >With Firestone and Oldsmobile on the ropes, what is their future? > > Well, the engine will change names, and the worst case scenario puts > Goodyear > > back in open-wheel racing. The IRL looks to be much stronger than CART,Quoted text (16 lines)
> > least in the US. With the 500 and a set of established names (Unser, > Mears, > > possibly Dallenbach) in the American market, things look up. > > - > > Alan > Wha??? The IRL 'looks' stronger than CART???? > Throw out the Indy attendance figures and compare the avg attendance. > Check out how many races CART runs this year vs IRL. How many Back of the > pack IRL drivers can win in CART?(I'll give ya a Hint, my favorite driver > of many years, Al jr, wins in IRL while the IRL champ doesn't get to pop > the champaigne while driving in CART.. > A son of Rick Mears does not a series make. However, I'd love to see > more competitive Americans in CART, for that matter, I'd love to see more > competitive Americans in the IRL...hehehe > dave henrie >On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:31:30 GMT, Dan Drumm <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>sorry, I just have a question about IRL
>
>With Firestone and Oldsmobile on the ropes, what is their future?
Firestone isn't on the ropes per se. They do have problems with the
public. But they still make a half decent product for their target
market. I would buy them if I had to. But the the Firestone
Wilderness tire is just the wrong tire to put on a big SUV. Further
on that, why can't people check their tire pressures? Especially
before going on long trips.
As for Olds, GM will just rebadge the engine I am sure.
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:36:59 -0500, "John Pavlicek"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>The IRL has many things going for it.
>It has the American drivers that CART
>desparately needs to truly succeed in this country.
If any American wants to watch an second-rate American driver over a
South American phenom, all the power to him.
>Call it whatever you
>want, that's just the way of things. F1 doesn't need it, but that's
>probably about the only exception in series that can survive without a
>noticable American presence (Ferrari is all it needs for the US pretty much,
>and having Jacques along helps, too). IRL also has probably the better
What does Jacques have to do with anything? Jacques was born in
Montreal, grew up in Switzerland, learned to race in Europe and Japan,
had a brief stint in North America and returned to Europre.
ra300z <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It's the American way. If you want CART to be successful, it needs an
American presence, moreso than it has now.
>
> >Call it whatever you
> >want, that's just the way of things. F1 doesn't need it, but that's
> >probably about the only exception in series that can survive without a
> >noticable American presence (Ferrari is all it needs for the US prettymuch,
Jacques has a lot to do with it. He is a former winner of the Indy 500, so
name recognition plays a big part. After Ferrari, I think he probably had
the most fans at the USGP, simply because he was known.
-PAv
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> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:36:59 -0500, "John Pavlicek" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >The IRL has many things going for it. > > >It has the American drivers that CART > >desparately needs to truly succeed in this country. > > If any American wants to watch an second-rate American driver over a > South American phenom, all the power to him.Quoted text (7 lines)
> >and having Jacques along helps, too). IRL also has probably the better > > What does Jacques have to do with anything? Jacques was born in > Montreal, grew up in Switzerland, learned to race in Europe and Japan, > had a brief stint in North America and returned to Europre. > >>>It has the American drivers that CART
>>desparately needs to truly succeed in this country.
>
>If any American wants to watch an second-rate American driver over a
>South American phenom, all the power to him.
>
Americans would rather watch a plate race than any F1 event, anywhere, any
time. Think any of 'em care about some "South-American phenom"? Look at how
well recieved Montoya was in the US. He'll do well in F1 and be a worldwide
star, but ask any middle-of-the-road US NASCAR fan, and he still won't know who
he is. One can then assume that to Mr. Average US Race Fan, the son of Mears
matters, while some guy who ran carts in Bolivia does not. After all, who's
really buying the tickets?
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Alan
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I *really* wish you guys would stop generalizing about Americans....
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>>>It has the American drivers that CART >>>desparately needs to truly succeed in this country. >> >>If any American wants to watch an second-rate American driver over a >>South American phenom, all the power to him. >> > >Americans would rather watch a plate race than any F1 event, anywhere, any >time. Think any of 'em care about some "South-American phenom"? Look at how >well recieved Montoya was in the US. He'll do well in F1 and be a worldwide >star, but ask any middle-of-the-road US NASCAR fan, and he still won't know >who >he is. One can then assume that to Mr. Average US Race Fan, the son of Mears >matters, while some guy who ran carts in Bolivia does not. After all, who's >really buying the tickets?Quoted text (23 lines)
> >In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] (DeadAndRestless) writes: > >>>>It has the American drivers that CART >>>>desparately needs to truly succeed in this country. >>> >>>If any American wants to watch an second-rate American driver over a >>>South American phenom, all the power to him. >>> >> >>Americans would rather watch a plate race than any F1 event, anywhere, any >>time. Think any of 'em care about some "South-American phenom"? Look at how >>well recieved Montoya was in the US. He'll do well in F1 and be a worldwide >>star, but ask any middle-of-the-road US NASCAR fan, and he still won't know >>who >>he is. One can then assume that to Mr. Average US Race Fan, the son of Mears >>matters, while some guy who ran carts in Bolivia does not. After all, who's >>really buying the tickets? > >I *really* wish you guys would stop generalizing about Americans.... > >EldredQuoted text (12 lines)
>>Americans would rather watch a plate race than any F1 event, anywhere, any >>time. Think any of 'em care about some "South-American phenom"? Look at how >>well recieved Montoya was in the US. He'll do well in F1 and be a worldwide >>star, but ask any middle-of-the-road US NASCAR fan, and he still won't know >>who >>he is. One can then assume that to Mr. Average US Race Fan, the son of Mears >>matters, while some guy who ran carts in Bolivia does not. After all, who's >>really buying the tickets? > >I *really* wish you guys would stop generalizing about Americans.... > >Eldred
DeadAndRestless wrote:
Sorry pal. As an American race fan, I can vouch that you don't speak
for me or anyone else I know personally. As long as you're good, who
cares about your color, creed, sex, religion, or country of origin?
Only someone pretty damned shallow would.
And if you suck... well... who cares?
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> Americans would rather watch a plate race than any F1 event, anywhere, any > time. Think any of 'em care about some "South-American phenom"? Look at how > well recieved Montoya was in the US. He'll do well in F1 and be a worldwide > star, but ask any middle-of-the-road US NASCAR fan, and he still won't know who > he is. One can then assume that to Mr. Average US Race Fan, the son of Mears > matters, while some guy who ran carts in Bolivia does not. After all, who's > really buying the tickets?
>I *really* wish you guys would stop generalizing about Americans....
Seemed to me that that post was written *by* an American?
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In article <RMqgXEA$[email hidden]>, Graeme Nash
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>>I *really* wish you guys would stop generalizing about Americans....
>
>Seemed to me that that post was written *by* an American?
Was it...? Um...er..well....
Doesn't matter! My statement still stands...<g>
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