GP3 and LWFF

If any of you are satisfied with the FF setup for a LWFF on GP3 could you tell me if you changed the LWFF settings themselves (e.g. switched off the centreing spring?) to achieve this. I have a patched version of GP3, and I do get FF through the wheel - but it simply doesn't seem right. The wheel only appears to react when I'm in a run off area - on the sand. There is very little feeling of grip, rumble strips or anything much as you speed around on the track. Comparing it with the effects in GPL shows clearly whats missing from my GP3 driving,. Is that how its supposed to be? At the very least, Id expect to be able to feel the cars slide as well as see and hear it. I started GP3 (by accident) with the Wingman FF Joystick enabled rather than the wheel. Whilst I was shuitting GP3 down to remedy this - the joystick was reacting wildly - which makes me wonder if my problem is my wheel settings rather than GP3. Also, is there any way to use the Wingman Profiler to set up the controllers centring spring, spilt axis etc, for each game. At present, it will only remember button assignments. Any help appreciated. Steve

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:18:38 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Centering spring needs to be off, IMO. > >I use the same settings for all driving games (except F12000, where I use a >touch of centering spring... about 25%). Overall 80%, Spring 80% and damping >30%. Centering spring disabled. In GP3 I think I've got the effects strenght >at 60%. <checks> Yup, 60%. > >Your LWFF must be on ID1 (advanced properties) to have FF effects.

Jan, try setting centering spring to 100% in F1CS2000, on my lwff this makes a huge (positive) difference. Andre

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>Jan. >=--- >steven crook-dawkins wrote... >> If any of you are satisfied with the FF >> setup for a LWFF on GP3 could you tell me ><snip> > >

Centering spring needs to be off, IMO. I use the same settings for all driving games (except F12000, where I use a touch of centering spring... about 25%). Overall 80%, Spring 80% and damping 30%. Centering spring disabled. In GP3 I think I've got the effects strenght at 60%. <checks> Yup, 60%. Your LWFF must be on ID1 (advanced properties) to have FF effects. Jan. =--- steven crook-dawkins wrote... > If any of you are satisfied with the FF > setup for a LWFF on GP3 could you tell me<snip>

I will Andre... once I get my copy. Still on F1 2k here. Jan. =--- Andre Warringa wrote... > <snip> > Jan, try setting centering spring to 100% in F1CS2000, > on my lwff this makes a huge (positive) difference. > > Andre

Pretty sure that Centering Spring should be on for GP3, as well. GPL seems to be the only sim that adds forces to a base of nothing - everybody else seems to work the opposite direction. Rick "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I will Andre... once I get my copy. Still on F1 2k here. > > Jan. > =--- > Andre Warringa wrote... > > <snip> > > Jan, try setting centering spring to 100% in F1CS2000, > > on my lwff this makes a huge (positive) difference. > > > > Andre > > >

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:04:38 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I will Andre... once I get my copy. Still on F1 2k here. I believe the same goes for F12K.. give it a try. Andre

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>Jan. >=--- >Andre Warringa wrote... >> <snip> >> Jan, try setting centering spring to 100% in F1CS2000, >> on my lwff this makes a huge (positive) difference. >> >> Andre > >

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:46:11 -0500, "Rick Baumhauer" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Pretty sure that Centering Spring should be on for GP3, as well. > >GPL seems to be the only sim that adds forces to a base of nothing - >everybody else seems to work the opposite direction. Yep, this is what I experience also. Andre

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>Rick > >"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I will Andre... once I get my copy. Still on F1 2k here. >> >> Jan. >> =--- >> Andre Warringa wrote... >> > <snip> >> > Jan, try setting centering spring to 100% in F1CS2000, >> > on my lwff this makes a huge (positive) difference. >> > >> > Andre >> >> >> > >

[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes:

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> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:46:11 -0500, "Rick Baumhauer" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Pretty sure that Centering Spring should be on for GP3, as well. > > > >GPL seems to be the only sim that adds forces to a base of nothing - > >everybody else seems to work the opposite direction. > > Yep, this is what I experience also.

I grinned heavily when the FF patch for GPL was released, when I turned the wheel at standstill and there was no force pullig it back. Then I let go the wheel and started moving, and the wheel returned to center by itself. Modelling gyro effects is the only sensible solution to get the correct FF. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

Rick Baumhauer wrote:

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> > Pretty sure that Centering Spring should be on for GP3, as well. > > GPL seems to be the only sim that adds forces to a base of nothing - > everybody else seems to work the opposite direction. > > Rick >

Definitely not true. I run GP3 with 0 centering spring, however, one really needs to set the steering speed sensitivity to 0 (which is the most realistic setting). GP3 seems to transmit the force on the front wheels to the FF setup, which is the what the feedback would be if the caster angle is very high and the aligning torque can be neglected. It really helps a lot when opposite locking, which I find practically impossible without FF effects. -Gregor