Re: I want to ask you the most important question of your life. The question is: Are you saved? It is not a question of how good you are, nor if you are a church member, but are you saved? Are you sure you will go to Heaven when you die? The reason some people don't know for sure if they are going to Heaven when they die is because they just don't know. The good news is that you can know for sure you are going to Heaven. May 22, 2005 1:40:10 pm

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> THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF YOUR LIFE > > > This is the most important question of your life. > > > The question is: why in tunket do you believe in any god?

As stated today in a letter in the NY Times, "[t]he existence of God is�a theory. [The evolution] theory has libraries full of supporting data, while the other lacks a single verifiable fact in support." Or, as Sam Harris put it in his book "The End of Faith", any individual believing in the stuff put forth under the name of Christianity (or any other religion) would be considered nuts and institutionalized. Why is that stuff any better because a huge but cockeyed organization teaches it?

But without baptism, you are not saved. Read your Bible again and spam us again later.

Bill Pittman wrote: > As stated today in a letter in the NY Times, "[t]he existence of God > is�a theory. [The evolution] theory has libraries full of supporting > data, while the other lacks a single verifiable fact in support." Urban legend. When you look at this "data," you find all manner of hocus-pocus going on. Evolution is as much faith and religion as any other religion on the planet. It was never about science. > > Or, as Sam Harris put it in his book "The End of Faith", any individual > believing in the stuff put forth under the name of Christianity (or any > other religion) would be considered nuts and institutionalized. Why is > that stuff any better because a huge but cockeyed organization teaches > it?

Ronald, ive just been talking to god and he says your not saved. In fact he says he doesn't like you very much at all

This same asshole has been spamming and trolling multiple groups for weeks now with this shit And, as for Fundy Idiot Dave aka HVACFella and a dozen other webtv nics he hides behind, why not ask him about this post when he was using daveinillinois From: Daveinlllinois @webtv.net Group: alt.discuss.clubs.public.christian.gays Subject: im looking for a friend Date: Mon, Jan 26, 2004, 6:13pm (PST+2) Organization: WebTV Subscriber im a single male no children but did lose one to God many years ago im a christian but have recently found myself fighting with homesexual demons in my mind i am around children often and worry about my feelings for them too id like someone other than my minister to discuss this situation with dave

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> > THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF YOUR LIFE > > > This is the most important question of your life. > > > The question is: Are you saved? >

Yep, autosave on '2 minutes'. I cant possibly agree with this guy enough on this.

"Bill Pittman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] wrote: >> THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF YOUR LIFE >> This is the most important question of your life. >> The question is: why in tunket do you believe in any god? > > As stated today in a letter in the NY Times, "[t]he existence of God > is�a theory. [The evolution] theory has libraries full of supporting > data, while the other lacks a single verifiable fact in support." > > Or, as Sam Harris put it in his book "The End of Faith", any individual > believing in the stuff put forth under the name of Christianity (or any > other religion) would be considered nuts and institutionalized. >

But, with most like-minded people of your stripe, including the _New York Times_ Islam is an exception. KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/

"HVAC fella" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Further, Darwinian Evolution has been totally > disproven in the last century when Spontaneous Generation was proven > absurd . >LOL! That, my dear is utter rubbish. Please post the names of any major university or credible center of learning that would substantiate such a claim. In the meantime, consider the prospect that Darwinian theories have nothing to do with religion and theology has nothing to do with Darwin's theories. Religion shouldn't enter the field of biology and genetics any more than people in mathematics should enter the fields of poetry. I'll promise not to post anything about heating and air conditioning and you should endeavor not to post things outside your fields of expertise. And, no, parrotting some ignorant, uneducated preacher doesn't qualify you to be an expert outside HVAC. KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/

"HVAC fella" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > If you are a genuine Seeker and not an excuse maker...go to > www.preconcievednotions.org for all the scientific evidence you will ever > require , >Beware of the person who draws his conclusions from a single source or a single book for he merely admits that he is afraid that he may have to think and consider several opinions rather than parrot the perhaps erroneous propaganda of a single source. Little can be learned when opposing thoughts are denied. KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/

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> The Truth Squad wrote: > ... >> Those who cavalierly reject the Theory of Evolution, as not adequately >> supported by facts, seem quite eager to forget that their own theory is >> supported by NO facts at all! > > Logic? You think these morons can respond to logic? >

Do you think people who can respond to logic stoop to your petty [morons] name-calling? Did "Einstein, Freud, Newton, Shakespeare, Machiavelli or Jesus Christ convince people of their ideas by calling them "morons"? Or are you under the impression that if you call other people "morons" somehow that will save you from being a moron? KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/

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> Bill Pittman wrote: > >> As stated today in a letter in the NY Times, "[t]he existence of God is�a >> theory. [The evolution] theory has libraries full of supporting data, >> while the other lacks a single verifiable fact in support." > > Urban legend. When you look at this "data," you find all manner of > hocus-pocus going on. Evolution is as much faith and religion as any other > religion on the planet. It was never about science. >

All you're saying is that you don't know anything about science or the scientific method. The thing that Darwin lacked to prove his theory were the Mendelian theories which weren't widely published or recognized until the 1900s some 35 years after Darwin's first studies and many years after his death in 1881. While Gregor Mendel died in 1884 - his works were not widely known until the 1900s. Many theologians vigorously attacked Darwin's ideas though they knew nothing about biology, less about genetics and nothing about Mendel's studies that would explain much of Darwin's conjectures. Once the theologians rejected Darwin's works, they were fond of repeating what had been written in the past and were loathe to investigate new developments as they were revealed. The above does not include Catholic and Jewish scholars who readily accepted the scientific explanations regarding Darwinism as they were revealed. Darwin's _Origin of the Species_ published in 1859 caused little furor among the theologians, but his _Descent of Man_ published in 1871 caused a major upheaval in the world of theology as well as among traditionalist scholars at that time. Of course modern discoveries such as DNA have solidified Darwin's theories in spite of the fact such advancements are ignored by fundamentalist theologians who continue to repeat arguments written by naysayers prior to the wide acceptance of Mendel's studies. Of course the major logical fallacy of theologians is that they fail to see that perhaps the Supreme Being chose evolution as His method of creation. Evolution was perhaps the greatest conflict between science and theology since the publication of the works of Galileo Galilei, Nicolaus Copernicus and Tycho Brahe. For more on Darwin see: ~ http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1871darwin.html -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/

"No One" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > But without baptism, you are not saved. Read your Bible again and spam us > again later. >Then again, you're invoking the privilege of quoting one part of the _Holy Bible_ while ignoring other parts of the same work. KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/

In article <lqYke.249011$[email hidden]>, "alohacyberian" <[email hidden]> wrote: etc. etc. etc. You really like wasting time on this dodo, don't you?

In article etc. etc. etc. You really like wasting time on this dodo, don't you?

You OBIVOUSLY don't know much about dave (aka HVACfella and a dozen other webtv nics) He once proudly proclaimed (in his brilliance) that the Sun is powered by Nitrogen fusing into Hydrogen, a fact that even 6th grade students know is just a bit off base.. A better example of a fundy moron will never exist

Fantastic followup post.. well written! Thanks for the overview of a very interesting subject... Peace "alohacyberian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:U8_ke.249275$[email hidden]...

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> "No One" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Bill Pittman wrote: >> >>> As stated today in a letter in the NY Times, "[t]he existence of God >>> isSa theory. [The evolution] theory has libraries full of supporting >>> data, while the other lacks a single verifiable fact in support." >> >> Urban legend. When you look at this "data," you find all manner of >> hocus-pocus going on. Evolution is as much faith and religion as any >> other religion on the planet. It was never about science. >> > > All you're saying is that you don't know anything about science or the > scientific method. The thing that Darwin lacked to prove his theory were > the Mendelian theories which weren't widely published or recognized until > the 1900s some 35 years after Darwin's first studies and many years after > his death in 1881. While Gregor Mendel died in 1884 - his works were not > widely known until the 1900s. Many theologians vigorously attacked > Darwin's ideas though they knew nothing about biology, less about genetics > and nothing about Mendel's studies that would explain much of Darwin's > conjectures. Once the theologians rejected Darwin's works, they were fond > of repeating what had been written in the past and were loathe to > investigate new developments as they were revealed. The above does not > include Catholic and Jewish scholars who readily accepted the scientific > explanations regarding Darwinism as they were revealed. Darwin's _Origin > of the Species_ published in 1859 caused little furor among the > theologians, but his _Descent of Man_ published in 1871 caused a major > upheaval in the world of theology as well as among traditionalist scholars > at that time. Of course modern discoveries such as DNA have solidified > Darwin's theories in spite of the fact such advancements are ignored by > fundamentalist theologians who continue to repeat arguments written by > naysayers prior to the wide acceptance of Mendel's studies. Of course the > major logical fallacy of theologians is that they fail to see that perhaps > the Supreme Being chose evolution as His method of creation. Evolution was > perhaps the greatest conflict between science and theology since the > publication of the works of Galileo Galilei, Nicolaus Copernicus and Tycho > Brahe. For more on Darwin see: > ~ http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1871darwin.html > -- > (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or > visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect > to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all > about Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ >