I never thought I'd ask this but ....

Don't you just hate these posts .. anyway .... needs must I need a replacement FF steering wheel for GPL Any recommendation? 1) Must be FF 2) Not bothered about pedals, I use separate MS pedals 3) I am used to gear shift paddles, specifically where I can pull forward to change up, flick back to change down - with LEFT HAND. I could learn a new technique but would rather not have to, there ain't enough hours in the day as it is. I often see the "what is the best wheel" question asked but have never really paid much attention as I've been happy with the ACT Labs and this is often the answer given to those sorts of questions. I think I heard good things about the GUILLEMOT FERRARI FF wheel, any one got one care to comment? Specifically about gearshift options? Can it operate like 3) above I can get the new Logitech WingMan Formula Force GP wheel. I know it's supposed to be inferior to the old model but would this suit my option 3) above. Anyone else any FF wheel recommendation? A ny help & advice very much appreciated. Maxx

Crikey! I'm having Deja Vu! Chris -- GPL FD League http://www.egroups.com/group/gplfd Simbok Racing www.geocities.com/simbokza Remove _your_clothes before replying "Maxx" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Don't you just hate these posts .. anyway .... needs must > > I need a replacement FF steering wheel for GPL > > Any recommendation? > > 1) Must be FF > 2) Not bothered about pedals, I use separate MS pedals > 3) I am used to gear shift paddles, specifically where I can > pull forward to change up, flick back to change down - > with LEFT HAND. > I could learn a new technique but would rather not have > to, there ain't enough hours in the day as it is. > > I often see the "what is the best wheel" question asked but have > never really paid much attention as I've been happy with the ACT > Labs and this is often the answer given to those sorts of questions. > > I think I heard good things about the GUILLEMOT FERRARI FF > wheel, any one got one care to comment? > Specifically about gearshift options? > Can it operate like 3) above > > I can get the new Logitech WingMan Formula Force GP wheel. I > know it's supposed to be inferior to the old model but would this > suit my option 3) above. > > Anyone else any FF wheel recommendation? > > A ny help & advice very much appreciated. > > Maxx >

At www.justdeals.com Wingman Formula Force-Wheel and Pedal Set-USB & Serial $47.95 Thats the old model with solid red wheel. Chris Bloom wrote:

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> Crikey! I'm having Deja Vu! > > Chris > > -- > > GPL FD League > http://www.egroups.com/group/gplfd > Simbok Racing > www.geocities.com/simbokza > > Remove _your_clothes before replying > > "Maxx" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Don't you just hate these posts .. anyway .... needs must > > > > I need a replacement FF steering wheel for GPL > > > > Any recommendation? > > > > 1) Must be FF > > 2) Not bothered about pedals, I use separate MS pedals > > 3) I am used to gear shift paddles, specifically where I can > > pull forward to change up, flick back to change down - > > with LEFT HAND. > > I could learn a new technique but would rather not have > > to, there ain't enough hours in the day as it is. > > > > I often see the "what is the best wheel" question asked but have > > never really paid much attention as I've been happy with the ACT > > Labs and this is often the answer given to those sorts of questions. > > > > I think I heard good things about the GUILLEMOT FERRARI FF > > wheel, any one got one care to comment? > > Specifically about gearshift options? > > Can it operate like 3) above > > > > I can get the new Logitech WingMan Formula Force GP wheel. I > > know it's supposed to be inferior to the old model but would this > > suit my option 3) above. > > > > Anyone else any FF wheel recommendation? > > > > A ny help & advice very much appreciated. > > > > Maxx > >

Maxx wrote: > > I can get the new Logitech WingMan Formula Force GP wheel. I > know it's supposed to be inferior to the old model but would this > suit my option 3) above. > No, it only has two buttons on the back of the wheel, one for up and one for down. -Gregor

On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:39:09 -0600, nascarob <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>At www.justdeals.com > Wingman Formula > Force-Wheel and Pedal > Set-USB & Serial > > $47.95 >Thats the old model with solid red wheel.

If I where in the US or if Just Deals shipped outside the US I'd have one of these like a shot. I think the ACT Labs is under warranty but it took 2-3 weeks to get it replaced before so I need to pick up something quick in the meantime. I've opted to give the Guil Ferrari a go and then work on getting the ACT Labs repaired, Thanks to all who replied Maxx

please let us know your thoughts on the G-FF, after you try it out. Thanks! rik Maxx <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:39:09 -0600, nascarob <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >At www.justdeals.com > > Wingman Formula > > Force-Wheel and Pedal > > Set-USB & Serial > > > > $47.95 > >Thats the old model with solid red wheel. > > If I where in the US or if Just Deals shipped outside the US > I'd have one of these like a shot. > > I think the ACT Labs is under warranty but it took 2-3 weeks > to get it replaced before so I need to pick up something quick > in the meantime. I've opted to give the Guil Ferrari a go and > then work on getting the ACT Labs repaired, > > Thanks to all who replied > > Maxx

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> On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:39:09 -0600, nascarob <[email hidden]> > wrote: > I think the ACT Labs is under warranty but it took 2-3 weeks > to get it replaced before so I need to pick up something quick > in the meantime. I've opted to give the Guil Ferrari a go and > then work on getting the ACT Labs repaired, > Thanks to all who replied > Maxx

I think you'll be very happy with the Guillemot.... great pedals with LOTS of travel, although they need a little getting used to because they feel very soft. The wheel itself is very nice, good grip, buttons all the right places & a stick shift if you prefer that. The FF is IMHO very smooth and have a wide "powerrange" I myself drive with toned down force, but there should be enough power to give you a decent workout if you like that kind of settings. Mikkel

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:07:05 GMT, "rik anthrax" <[email hidden]> wrote: >please let us know your thoughts on the G-FF, after you try it out. >Thanks! >rik Will do Rik. It should be here tomorrow and I've an Int Long Ring race tomorrow night and an Int Long Crystal Palace Thursday, so these should give it a good workout. Maxx

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:57:36 +0100, "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I think you'll be very happy with the Guillemot.... great pedals with LOTS >of travel, although they need a little getting used to because they feel >very soft. The wheel itself is very nice, good grip, buttons all the right >places & a stick shift if you prefer that. The FF is IMHO very smooth and >have a wide "powerrange" I myself drive with toned down force, but there >should be enough power to give you a decent workout if you like that kind of >settings.

I may continue to use my MS Precision Pedals which is what I used with the ACT Labs, certainly for a few days, as I'm used to them. I like the idea of the stick-shift on the right as it's in the right place for realism although I assume it's push to change up, pull to change down. It will take a little getting used to but much prefer that to buttons on the wheel (tried it before when the ACT labs paddles broke). Force wise I really just like subtle forces, my ACT Labs was set at 70%/50%/0% in control panel and fairly conservatively in core.ini so I don't think I'll have a problem that way. What do you have your settings (control panel/core.ini) to Mikkel? Might save me some tinkering time :-) Cheers Maxx

> I think I heard good things about the GUILLEMOT FERRARI FF > wheel, any one got one care to comment? > Specifically about gearshift options? > Can it operate like 3) above >I've got the Guillemot/Thrustmaster Ferrari wheel and I like it. It's got scads of buttons including shift paddles and a shifter (on the right). The paddles are meant for right=up and left=down but there's no reason why you couldn't used the POV hat on the left (there's one on the right too) for shifting up/down with your left thumb. I found the FF kind of abrupt in coming on & off when I first got it, but either I'm used to it now or it's broken in, it's so much a part of my driving now that I don't even notice it until it does something odd. Occasionally after a brush with a curb or wall the FF forces will stay on like the wheel's pulling, it makes you think you've broken your suspension, after a couple of laps it goes away, it might be a slipping belt. The wheel has a little play on the shaft, like a loose bearing, someday I'll take the cover off and see if anything's worked loose. I get best results if I re-calibrate the wheel in GPL every boot.

> What do you have your settings (control panel/core.ini) to Mikkel? > Might save me some tinkering time :-) Check http://www.simracing.dk/gpl/resourcer/tips.htm and scroll down 2/3 down the page.... you cant miss it even if the text is in danish. My own current settings are as follows: [ Joy ] allow_force_feedback = 1 force_feedback_damping = 500 force_feedback_latency = 0.0045 max_steering_torque = 250 and in the control panel: Overall: 90% Spring: 0% Damper: 0% Default: 0% Mikkel

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... >> I like the idea of the stick-shift on the right as it's in the right >> place for realism although I assume it's push to change up, pull to >> change down. It will take a little getting used to but much prefer >> that to buttons on the wheel (tried it before when the ACT labs >> paddles broke). The stick-shift is very good and a must have IMO. I pull to change up but you can of course set it either way. I think a gpl driver will be faster with the paddle shifters but I stick with the stick because it's more fun. -- Johan N [email hidden]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:42:52 +0100, "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote: Mikkel, >Check http://www.simracing.dk/gpl/resourcer/tips.htm and scroll down 2/3 >down the page.... you cant miss it even if the text is in danish. Thanks for the info re: your settings, also the site above which seems to have loads of good stuff on it that I'd not seen before. As you say the page is in Danish but I could figure out a couple of things and the link led to pages in English that I'd not seen before. It's a shame Bablefish doesn't have a Danish->English Translator. Cheers Maxx

If enough people ask I'll translate it all :) That reminds me... would it be ok, to put your training package (or a link) in the resource section ?? If you find a translator which can handle swedish you might be able to translate some of the pages into something vaguely understandable Mikkel Maxx <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:42:52 +0100, "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Mikkel, > > >Check http://www.simracing.dk/gpl/resourcer/tips.htm and scroll down 2/3 > >down the page.... you cant miss it even if the text is in danish. > > Thanks for the info re: your settings, also the site above which seems > to have loads of good stuff on it that I'd not seen before. As you say > the page is in Danish but I could figure out a couple of things and > the link led to pages in English that I'd not seen before. > > It's a shame Bablefish doesn't have a Danish->English Translator. > > Cheers > > Maxx

[email hidden] (Mikkel Gram-Hansen) wrote in <956ndf$drm$[email hidden]>:

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>> What do you have your settings (control panel/core.ini) to Mikkel? >> Might save me some tinkering time :-) > > >Check http://www.simracing.dk/gpl/resourcer/tips.htm and scroll down 2/3 >down the page.... you cant miss it even if the text is in danish. > > >My own current settings are as follows: > >[ Joy ] >allow_force_feedback = 1 >force_feedback_damping = 500 >force_feedback_latency = 0.0045 >max_steering_torque = 250 > >and in the control panel: >Overall: 90% >Spring: 0% >Damper: 0% >Default: 0% > > >Mikkel

Maxx, If you like softer feedback forces, you may go further. I use my Ferrari FF with these settings: in control panel: Overall: 80% Spring: 0% Damper: 0% Default: 0% and in core.ini: force_feedback_damping = 100.0 force_feedback_latency = 0.03 max_steering_torque = 600.0 I've also used overall setting between 60% and 80%. Alex (alexti)

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 04:29:57 GMT, [email hidden] (Alex) wrote: >Maxx, > >If you like softer feedback forces, you may go further. >I use my Ferrari FF with these settings:[snip] Thanks Alex.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:50:10 +0100, "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote: >If enough people ask I'll translate it all :)Like most people who read this newsgroup, I like to read all I can about GPL, if you find yourself with some free time then by all means do so. You know the saying "build it and they will come". I found a couple of links there that I'd not seen before. >That reminds me... would it be ok, to put your training package (or a link) >in the resource section ?? No problem, just link to here : http://users.bart.nl/~hansvd/school/ Cheers Maxx