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My ActLab ForceRS is about to expire - ages ago I made the mistake of hitting it in fustration and despite prolonging its life 2 or 3 times with copious amounts of epoxy glue I think its probably reached its end. While I'm happy with the FRS and would probably replace it I wondered if anyone had strong opinions on the Thurstmaster Ferrari FF (or even MSFF) as I can pick that up fro PCWorld while the ForceRS would be significantly more expensive due to having to get it delivered. Main problem with the Ferrari would appear to be lack of buttons as I'v got used to gear changes with left hand thumb ... never got the hang of the paddles + these expired in the first glue fixing (springs popped out and I couldn't be bothered to force them back in) ... though I could learn to use the "gear shift" Any thoughts welcome! Thanks

Well, you know my feelings on this by now - I'm on my second MSFF and think they're absolutely great. Certainly the pedals are much better than most other wheels'. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://scrapyard.netcabins.com Earn (not very much) cash with "Ciao!" reviews - http://uk.ciao.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

My MSFF is still going strong after about 2 years of GPL. MS must be doing something right at last <G> -- Ian P (hoping he hasn't given his wheel the kiss of death) ;) <email invalid due to spam> David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, you know my feelings on this by now - I'm on my second MSFF and > think they're absolutely great. Certainly the pedals are much better > than most other wheels'. > > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) > The GPL Scrapyard - http://scrapyard.netcabins.com > Earn (not very much) cash with "Ciao!" reviews - http://uk.ciao.com > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

David Buttery wrote in message ... >Well, you know my feelings on this by now - I'm on my second MSFF and >think they're absolutely great. Certainly the pedals are much better >than most other wheels'. > I'm also an owner of the MSFF and I dislike the pedals. Sure they are better than most budget stuff, but they are nothing compared to the pedals on the better thrustmaster wheels(excluding the ferrari force wheel). I've recently tried the ferrari wheel and I'm ordering it today. I think it's far better than the MSFF. Not that it seems to matter in gpl since your handicap is very low. Compared to mine at least. Sjoerd >-- >David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) >The GPL Scrapyard - http://scrapyard.netcabins.com >Earn (not very much) cash with "Ciao!" reviews - http://uk.ciao.com >"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, >really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Hi , I've change my MSFF. I've just bought the Thrusmaster Ferrari FF Wheel, it is fantastic ! Wheel is very ergonomic, pedals are very precise for the TFFF ranges are Accel 0-256, brake 0-1024, steering 0-1024 and for the MSFF it is Accel 0-64 , brake 0-64, steering 0-1024 ( value taken from GPL ) I have it since Friday and i already manage to beat 2 PB : Kyalami , MSFF 1:20:71 , TFFF 1:20:13 Rouen , MSFF 1:56:65, TFFF 1:56:10 The traction control with the pedals are great + the Force effect are weaker than the MS but smother and more precise ( IMO ). David Buttery a �crit :

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> Well, you know my feelings on this by now - I'm on my second MSFF and > think they're absolutely great. Certainly the pedals are much better > than most other wheels'. > > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) > The GPL Scrapyard - http://scrapyard.netcabins.com > Earn (not very much) cash with "Ciao!" reviews - http://uk.ciao.com > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

-- Seb Game Developer GPLRank -37.20 http://magicfr.multimania.com

I briefly had the USB MSFF but with FF turned on, it slowed down GPL so much (about 25% frame-rate hit in demanding conditions like race-starts) that I had to take it back for a refund. It also displayed the same behaviour on the PCWorld computers when they tested it in the shop with Sports Car GT. The FF is a little sudden and jerky compared with the smooth Logitech, and the MSFF is also quite noisy. I also have the old Logitech and the Ferrari. I've heard it said many times that the old Logitech and Force RS are of similar quality, so hopefully that will give you a frame of reference for my opinions of the Ferrari, which is in my opinion not as good as the Logitech. The Ferrari has very light-weight tacky pedals. For some reason the top surface of the pedals pivots on it's support, like helicopter pedals, but unlike helicopter pedals the supports still move like normal pedals, so you're left with 2 axis of movement. This makes the pedals difficult to use precisely, and I ended up modifying mine to stop the top bit pivotting. Also the pedals feel like they could break easily. Other things wrong with the Ferrari are the clamping mechanism, which never feels really secure even when fastenned impossibly tight. If you use the badly placed stick shifter the whole unit rocks about. It also takes an age to remove from your desk, and the wires are badly organised. Also the button placings are a bit awkward. I've never seen or used a Force RS, but from everything I've heard it sounds better than these two wheels. The MSFF would have been great if it didn't use so many CPU cycles generating it's effects. I'm actually using a non-FF MS Precision Racing Wheel now, which is basically just a USB MSFF with the FF removed. The pedals are enough better than the Logitech to make me happy without FF. "David Shepherd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> My ActLab ForceRS is about to expire - ages ago I made the mistake of > hitting it in fustration and despite prolonging its life 2 or 3 times > with copious amounts of epoxy glue I think its probably reached its end. > > While I'm happy with the FRS and would probably replace it I wondered if > anyone had strong opinions on the Thurstmaster Ferrari FF (or even MSFF) > as I can pick that up fro PCWorld while the ForceRS would be > significantly more expensive due to having to get it delivered. > > Main problem with the Ferrari would appear to be lack of buttons as I'v > got used to gear changes with left hand thumb ... never got the hang of > the paddles + these expired in the first glue fixing (springs popped out > and I couldn't be bothered to force them back in) ... though I could > learn to use the "gear shift" > > Any thoughts welcome! > > Thanks

Sjoerd de Roest <[email hidden]> wrote on 30 Jan 2001: >I'm also an owner of the MSFF and I dislike the pedals.<snip> Just goes to show what an individual choice a wheel is - some people love the MS, some hate it. I have tried a Ferrari wheel (ie had a proper long go with it) and disliked it. Just didn't give me enough feedback. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92) The GPL Scrapyard - http://scrapyard.netcabins.com Earn (not very much) cash with "Ciao!" reviews - http://uk.ciao.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.