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N4 Easier to you?

7 posts by 5 people · 10 Feb 2001 09:24 UTC - 10 Feb 2001 23:52 UTC

Larry 10 Feb 2001 09:24 UTC#205259

It might be my imagination, but I find N4 _easier_ to drive than N3. Maybe it's because the setup changes do what you expect them to do. Maybe it's because the cars actually feel like real cars, including all the little nuances. Maybe it's in my head. I don't know, but to me N4 provides so much better feel that it's actually _easier_ for me to drive and set up, even though it is really quite a bit more complex... -Larry

Jan Verschueren 10 Feb 2001 10:42 UTC↳ reply to Larry #205277

It's not your imagination... more complex physics model doesn't nescessarily mean more difficult to drive. There is a theory (which I subscribe to) that you only have a certain amount of attention to spend regardless of what the situation demands. With N3 I too found myself relying on sight more than feel to know where I was heading and if one spends all his/her attention on picking out ones lines there's none left to watch for traffic. Driving N4 I can "feel" where the car is going to exit the turn, leaving more "resources" free for situational awareness, making it more comfortable to drive in traffic. Also, I don't know whether this is a consequence of the faster simulation rate of the new (GPL) engine or a concious effort by Papyrus, but I have the impression that bit of rubbing or leaning between cars is as inconsequential as it should be (judging from what limited TV coverage we get over here). Just the right balance between "take whatever liberties you want" and "bloody impossible to race close". If one accidentally touches and immediatly backs off it's almost always possible to continue unharmed (good chance of being hung out to dry on the outside line though :-)) Jan. =--- Larry wrote... > It might be my imagination, but I find N4 _easier_ to drive than N3. ><snip>

Larry 10 Feb 2001 11:34 UTC↳ reply to Jan Verschueren #205193

Jan, I think that's a pretty good summation :) -Larry "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6W8h6.5468$[email hidden]... > It's not your imagination... more complex physics model doesn'tnescessarily > mean more difficult to drive. There is a theory (which I subscribe to)that > you only have a certain amount of attention to spend regardless of whatthe > situation demands. With N3 I too found myself relying on sight more than > feel to know where I was heading and if one spends all his/her attentionon > picking out ones lines there's none left to watch for traffic. Driving N4I > can "feel" where the car is going to exit the turn, leaving more"resources" > free for situational awareness, making it more comfortable to drive in > traffic. > > Also, I don't know whether this is a consequence of the faster simulation > rate of the new (GPL) engine or a concious effort by Papyrus, but I havethe > impression that bit of rubbing or leaning between cars is asinconsequential > as it should be (judging from what limited TV coverage we get over here). > Just the right balance between "take whatever liberties you want" and > "bloody impossible to race close". If one accidentally touches and > immediatly backs off it's almost always possible to continue unharmed(good

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> chance of being hung out to dry on the outside line though :-)) > > Jan. > =--- > Larry wrote... > > It might be my imagination, but I find N4 _easier_ to drive than N3. > ><snip> > >

DTP 10 Feb 2001 12:54 UTC↳ reply to Larry #205202

Agreed Larry. I find the cars much easier to drive, but I also find the AI MUCH harder to pass and very, very aggressive. Just my 2c's worth. -- See ya in the pits, Deano I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything. "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zN7h6.57401$[email hidden]... > It might be my imagination, but I find N4 _easier_ to drive than N3. > > Maybe it's because the setup changes do what you expect them to do. > > Maybe it's because the cars actually feel like real cars, including all the > little nuances. > > Maybe it's in my head. > > I don't know, but to me N4 provides so much better feel that it's actually > _easier_ for me to drive and set up, even though it is really quite a bit > more complex... > > -Larry > > >

Morgan V. Wooten 10 Feb 2001 13:42 UTC↳ reply to Larry #205215

Jezus! It's a bitch for me! I haven't done N3 in a long, long time. I guess I'm too used to NHeat. I think I finally started to get a handle on Charlotte yesterday. It's gonna take a while for me to get used to the new physics. I love it though, and I'm glad they didn't compromise (as far as I can tell anyway ;). -- ------------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten GPLRank: +10.02 http://home.earthlink.net/~morganv00/ ------------------------------------- "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zN7h6.57401$[email hidden]... > It might be my imagination, but I find N4 _easier_ to drive than N3. > > Maybe it's because the setup changes do what you expect them to do. > > Maybe it's because the cars actually feel like real cars, including all the > little nuances. > > Maybe it's in my head. > > I don't know, but to me N4 provides so much better feel that it's actually > _easier_ for me to drive and set up, even though it is really quite a bit > more complex... > > -Larry > > >

Don Rodriguez 10 Feb 2001 17:48 UTC↳ reply to Larry #205091

I find it much easier now that I have my wheel setup properly. I had it set to non- linear to begin with, then switched it all the way to linear and bam it's perfect, no more sloopy feeling, it's completely different now!! "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zN7h6.57401$[email hidden]... > It might be my imagination, but I find N4 _easier_ to drive than N3. > > Maybe it's because the setup changes do what you expect them to do. > > Maybe it's because the cars actually feel like real cars, including allthe

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> little nuances. > > Maybe it's in my head. > > I don't know, but to me N4 provides so much better feel that it's actually > _easier_ for me to drive and set up, even though it is really quite a bit > more complex... > > -Larry > >

Larry 10 Feb 2001 23:52 UTC↳ reply to DTP #205047

Which is a good thing :) One thing that always bugged me about the AI in N3 is that it 'gave up' all the time. Nascar Heat was the first Nascar Sim where when you passed a car, it would fight it's ass off to get back around you. Pass, and then push up a little? In NH, the AI car would take advantage of that _immediately_. In N3 it was _really_ bad at Taladega. You draft a car several laps, and it's hard to pass it. You finally get that run you needed, pass the car, and the damned AI car falls back 15-20 cars and all of a sudden you have NO draft and you eventually slide backwards TO the car that just screwed you in first place. I will NOT miss this behaviour :) N4 has the first AI in a Nx sim that I enjoy racing because they race BACK :) -Larry "DTP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9Sah6.5461$[email hidden]...

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> Agreed Larry. I find the cars much easier to drive, but I also find the AI > MUCH harder to pass and very, very aggressive. Just my 2c's worth. > -- > See ya in the pits, > Deano > > I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how > long it's been since I've forgotten anything. > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zN7h6.57401$[email hidden]... > > It might be my imagination, but I find N4 _easier_ to drive than N3. > > > > Maybe it's because the setup changes do what you expect them to do. > > > > Maybe it's because the cars actually feel like real cars, including all > the > > little nuances. > > > > Maybe it's in my head. > > > > I don't know, but to me N4 provides so much better feel that it's

actually > > _easier_ for me to drive and set up, even though it is really quite abit

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