N4 is fun but...

I just brought N4 home from EB and spent the last hour at Watkins Glen. Acutally I was pleasantly surprised. I expected worse. Except for the restricted visability which I think detracts a lot from the fun of driving, N4 is quite fun, and I'm still using an overclocked Celeron A. BUT THEN I exited N4 and went to ANOTHER Watkins Glen, this time in a bright red Ferrari...WOW!! what a difference. The way you can just throw that car around is absolutely thrilling in comparison. The responsivness and realism are incredible. Long live GPL. Will there ever be another sim as good? Maybe some day. But I bet it'll be a lot longer than most people think. N4 _is_ fun though... gotta go try out some more tracks... -Tony-

In article <[email hidden]>, Tony Jester <[email hidden]> wrote: > I just brought N4 home from EB and spent the last hour at WatkinsGlen. > Acutally I was pleasantly surprised. I expected worse. Except forthe > restricted visability which I think detracts a lot from the fun of > driving, N4 is quite fun, and I'm still using an overclocked CeleronA. > BUT THEN I exited N4 and went to ANOTHER Watkins Glen, this time in a > bright red Ferrari...WOW!! what a difference. The way you can just > throw that car around is absolutely thrilling in comparison. The > responsivness and realism are incredible. Long live GPL. Will there Throwing a stock car with those wide tires is going to be a lot different than doing it with a casket on wheels (thins ones at that). -Pav Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

If your not driftin' in N4....your probably not goin fast enough :) Norm www.renegaderacing.net "John Pavlicek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:965a3f$d51$[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > Tony Jester <[email hidden]> wrote: > > I just brought N4 home from EB and spent the last hour at Watkins > Glen. > > Acutally I was pleasantly surprised. I expected worse. Except for > the > > restricted visability which I think detracts a lot from the fun of > > driving, N4 is quite fun, and I'm still using an overclocked Celeron > A. > > BUT THEN I exited N4 and went to ANOTHER Watkins Glen, this time in a > > bright red Ferrari...WOW!! what a difference. The way you can just > > throw that car around is absolutely thrilling in comparison. The > > responsivness and realism are incredible. Long live GPL. Will there > > Throwing a stock car with those wide tires is going to be a lot > different than doing it with a casket on wheels (thins ones at that). > > -Pav > > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/

> Throwing a stock car with those wide tires is going to be a lot > different than doing it with a casket on wheels (thins ones at that). > ...especially considering the stock car weighs what, 3 times as much as the casket? Thomas

The braking distance on the back straight at the Glen when going 180+mph to the chicane is killer, it is really long and makes good outbraking battles. It is a rush trying to slow down a 3400lb car from 180+mph to 80. Just imagine some GPL tracks in N4. :) FrenZy wrote:

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> > > Throwing a stock car with those wide tires is going to be a lot > > different than doing it with a casket on wheels (thins ones at that). > > > > ...especially considering the stock car weighs what, 3 times as much as the > casket? > > Thomas

-- Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) http://www.barc-oc.com http://www.casc.on.ca

Speaking of GPL tracks, anybody been successful transfering them to N4? I tried Mosport; I edited the calendar and copied some of the files found in the Watkins Glen directory. Still can't load the track. GRRR... Alan Orton wrote:

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> > The braking distance on the back straight at the Glen when going 180+mph > to the chicane is killer, it is really long and makes good outbraking > battles. > > It is a rush trying to slow down a 3400lb car from 180+mph to 80. Just > imagine some GPL tracks in N4. :) > > FrenZy wrote: > > > > > Throwing a stock car with those wide tires is going to be a lot > > > different than doing it with a casket on wheels (thins ones at that). > > > > > > > ...especially considering the stock car weighs what, 3 times as much as the > > casket? > > > > Thomas > > -- > Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) > http://www.barc-oc.com > http://www.casc.on.ca

-- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

Track format is a bit different I think, and 3do's are made with 3D Studio Max -type of software (GPL's 3dos were made by very buggy and restrictive old software, and the format has changed because of that....) It's going to need time to convert those tracks, although the physics model is the same. Kind of sad when they applied the new graphics engine, because it would have been easy to convert the tracks from gpl-engine to another gpl-engine. -- Mika Takala [email hidden] ICQ UIN 14314015 "Philster" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� news:[email hidden]... > Speaking of GPL tracks, anybody been successful transfering them to N4? > I tried Mosport; I edited the calendar and copied some of the files > found in the Watkins Glen directory. Still can't load the track. GRRR... > > Alan Orton wrote: > > > > The braking distance on the back straight at the Glen when going 180+mph > > to the chicane is killer, it is really long and makes good outbraking > > battles. > > > > It is a rush trying to slow down a 3400lb car from 180+mph to 80. Just > > imagine some GPL tracks in N4. :) > > > > FrenZy wrote: > > > > > > > Throwing a stock car with those wide tires is going to be a lot > > > > different than doing it with a casket on wheels (thins ones at that). > > > > > > > > > > ...especially considering the stock car weighs what, 3 times as much as the > > > casket? > > > > > > Thomas > > > > -- > > Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) > > http://www.barc-oc.com > > http://www.casc.on.ca > > -- > Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

I am happy that the two types of cars are modelled pretty accurately. The old F1 cars are thoroughbreds compared to the workhorse NASCAR vehicles, though, you have to admit. Today's NASCAR vehicle probably has more in common with a 1960's American-made pick-up truck than it does with a common road car from toady...or an old F1 car. Marc. "Tony Jester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I just brought N4 home from EB and spent the last hour at Watkins Glen. > Acutally I was pleasantly surprised. I expected worse. Except for the > restricted visability which I think detracts a lot from the fun of > driving, N4 is quite fun, and I'm still using an overclocked Celeron A. > BUT THEN I exited N4 and went to ANOTHER Watkins Glen, this time in a > bright red Ferrari...WOW!! what a difference. The way you can just > throw that car around is absolutely thrilling in comparison. The > responsivness and realism are incredible. Long live GPL. Will there > ever be another sim as good? Maybe some day. But I bet it'll be a lot > longer than most people think. > > N4 _is_ fun though... gotta go try out some more tracks... > > -Tony- >

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:05:36 GMT, John Pavlicek <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, > Tony Jester <[email hidden]> wrote: >> I just brought N4 home from EB and spent the last hour at Watkins >Glen. >> Acutally I was pleasantly surprised. I expected worse. Except for >the >> restricted visability which I think detracts a lot from the fun of >> driving, N4 is quite fun, and I'm still using an overclocked Celeron >A. >> BUT THEN I exited N4 and went to ANOTHER Watkins Glen, this time in a >> bright red Ferrari...WOW!! what a difference. The way you can just >> throw that car around is absolutely thrilling in comparison. The >> responsivness and realism are incredible. Long live GPL. Will there

Here we go <sigh>. Yes, we all know that GPL is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and will be until the end of time. It's unecessary for you GPL zealots to go on and on and on.........and on and on and on. We get the message. Enough already!

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>Throwing a stock car with those wide tires is going to be a lot >different than doing it with a casket on wheels (thins ones at that). > >-Pav > > >Sent via Deja.com >http://www.deja.com/

Tony Jester wrote:

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> > I just brought N4 home from EB and spent the last hour at Watkins Glen. > Acutally I was pleasantly surprised. I expected worse. Except for the > restricted visability which I think detracts a lot from the fun of > driving, N4 is quite fun, and I'm still using an overclocked Celeron A. > BUT THEN I exited N4 and went to ANOTHER Watkins Glen, this time in a > bright red Ferrari...WOW!! what a difference. The way you can just > throw that car around is absolutely thrilling in comparison. The > responsivness and realism are incredible. Long live GPL. Will there > ever be another sim as good? Maybe some day. But I bet it'll be a lot > longer than most people think. >

Remember that Nascar's have a lot more weight to them, so they feel a lot heavier and less nimble. But a lot of that feel is in the setup, too, getting a good balanced setup that turns nicely helps a lot. It only took me 6 months or so of occaisional messing around to come up with a setup that felt decent, and then these big, heavy beasts started to be fun to drive at the road courses. The Glen replay on the CD is one of my cleanest and fastest laps there. (70 degrees, sunny, no wind, race engine).

Chill dude, it's all good :-) Chris Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

If you prefer the type of racing that GPL presents over Nascar, then NO Nascar Simulator will ever change your mind. It's two totally different types of racing. Some like one, some like the other. I like both. I prefer Nascar... A modern-Day Cart/F1 sim based on the GPL/N4 engine could be very, very sweet though :) -Larry "Tony Jester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I just brought N4 home from EB and spent the last hour at Watkins Glen. > Acutally I was pleasantly surprised. I expected worse. Except for the > restricted visability which I think detracts a lot from the fun of > driving, N4 is quite fun, and I'm still using an overclocked Celeron A. > BUT THEN I exited N4 and went to ANOTHER Watkins Glen, this time in a > bright red Ferrari...WOW!! what a difference. The way you can just > throw that car around is absolutely thrilling in comparison. The > responsivness and realism are incredible. Long live GPL. Will there > ever be another sim as good? Maybe some day. But I bet it'll be a lot > longer than most people think. > > N4 _is_ fun though... gotta go try out some more tracks... > > -Tony- >

N4 is very impressive with the right computer. In fact 60-100 fps makes the default 36 in GPL make it seem like it crawls. I keep looking at the frame rate counter and thinking GPL feels different now. On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:14:32 -0800, Tony Jester <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I just brought N4 home from EB and spent the last hour at Watkins Glen. >Acutally I was pleasantly surprised. I expected worse. Except for the >restricted visability which I think detracts a lot from the fun of >driving, N4 is quite fun, and I'm still using an overclocked Celeron A. >BUT THEN I exited N4 and went to ANOTHER Watkins Glen, this time in a >bright red Ferrari...WOW!! what a difference. The way you can just >throw that car around is absolutely thrilling in comparison. The >responsivness and realism are incredible. Long live GPL. Will there >ever be another sim as good? Maybe some day. But I bet it'll be a lot >longer than most people think. > >N4 _is_ fun though... gotta go try out some more tracks... > >-Tony- >

Larry, they (Papyrus) did modern CART sims. Only problem they had was not enough (I'm not going to say 'many' because I have both of their Indycar releases) people would buy them to be a 'commercial' success. Sad but true. With the CART/IRL split, it's doubtful that all those of us who did buy the first two would get the third. I'm not going to say which I prefer (although I'll be at the Naz in May), but I would certainly buy the third edition if it ever came out. Larry wrote:

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> If you prefer the type of racing that GPL presents over Nascar, then NO > Nascar Simulator will ever change your mind. > > It's two totally different types of racing. Some like one, some like the > other. I like both. I prefer Nascar... > > A modern-Day Cart/F1 sim based on the GPL/N4 engine could be very, very > sweet though :) > > -Larry

I have them all as well. -Larry "Mike Donnelly Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Larry, they (Papyrus) did modern CART sims. Only problem they had was not > enough (I'm not going to say 'many' because I have both of their Indycar > releases) people would buy them to be a 'commercial' success. Sad buttrue. > With the CART/IRL split, it's doubtful that all those of us who did buythe > first two would get the third. I'm not going to say which I prefer(although > I'll be at the Naz in May), but I would certainly buy the third edition ifit

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> ever came out. > > > Larry wrote: > > > If you prefer the type of racing that GPL presents over Nascar, then NO > > Nascar Simulator will ever change your mind. > > > > It's two totally different types of racing. Some like one, some like

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> > other. I like both. I prefer Nascar... > > > > A modern-Day Cart/F1 sim based on the GPL/N4 engine could be very, very > > sweet though :) > > > > -Larry >

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:10:34 GMT, Intimidator <[email hidden]> wrote: >Here we go <sigh>. Yes, we all know that GPL is the greatest thing >since sliced bread, and will be until the end of time. It's >unecessary for you GPL zealots to go on and on and on.........and on >and on and on. We get the message. Enough already! Ya gotta admit we've been pretty patient so far. :) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

>"Mike Donnelly Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote > Larry, they (Papyrus) did modern CART sims. Only problem they had was not > enough (I'm not going to say 'many' because I have both of their Indycar > releases) people would buy them to be a 'commercial' success. Uh? IndyCar Racing 1 and 2 sold immensly high numbers of copies, and are both commercial success. Around 500 000 copies sold in total according to some old press release. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

But not to the degree that NASCAR Racing has been. Or F1 sims for that matter. Then again, F1 requires a lot of money just in the bribes, er, licensing, just to produce. If memory serves, part of the reason Papyrus didn't try for IC3 was that ICR2 didn't sell quite as well as ICR1. The amount of money that CART was asking for was made it difficult to make ICR3 an success as well (given the sales that ICR2 did vs. ICR1). With the split between CART/IRL sales projections went downward. At that point, why do it? From the perspective of a gamer, yeah, it sucked. From the software company's perspective, doing it would have been a questionable decision. ymenard wrote:

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> >"Mike Donnelly Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Larry, they (Papyrus) did modern CART sims. Only problem they had was not > > enough (I'm not going to say 'many' because I have both of their Indycar > > releases) people would buy them to be a 'commercial' success. > > Uh? IndyCar Racing 1 and 2 sold immensly high numbers of copies, and are > both commercial success. Around 500 000 copies sold in total according to > some old press release. > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

F1 is next! pez Mike Donnelly Jr <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Larry, they (Papyrus) did modern CART sims. Only problem they had was not > enough (I'm not going to say 'many' because I have both of their Indycar > releases) people would buy them to be a 'commercial' success. Sad buttrue. > With the CART/IRL split, it's doubtful that all those of us who did buythe > first two would get the third. I'm not going to say which I prefer(although > I'll be at the Naz in May), but I would certainly buy the third edition ifit

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> ever came out. > > > Larry wrote: > > > If you prefer the type of racing that GPL presents over Nascar, then NO > > Nascar Simulator will ever change your mind. > > > > It's two totally different types of racing. Some like one, some like

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> > other. I like both. I prefer Nascar... > > > > A modern-Day Cart/F1 sim based on the GPL/N4 engine could be very, very > > sweet though :) > > > > -Larry >