FIA
8, Place de la Concorde
75008 Paris
France
Telephone: +33 1 43 12 44 55
Facsimile: +33 1 43 12 44 66
The only public email address is the webmasters, but perhaps if he gets
10,000 emails he'll mention it to somebody ;)
[email hidden]
Michelin
46, rue du Ressort
63100 Clermont-Ferrand
France
www.michelinsport.com
Bernie (notice he doesn't have a website ;)
Formula One Management
6 Princes Gate
Knightsbridge
London SW7 1QJ
United Kingdom
Contact addresses for FIA, Michelin and FOCA after US GP
After the US Grand Prix fiasco, mcewena posted contact addresses for the FIA, Michelin and FOCA so fans could complain. Byron Forbes shared a Bridgestone auto-reply. Others debated whether Ralf Schumacher should have raced, compared modern F1 drivers' courage with earlier eras, and traded some insults.
real motorsport
Automated summary.
and/or
http://www.bridgestone-eu.com/bfe/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=000000000000000000000000000000000007RCRD
ask them if they had any secret Firestone info that made their drivers a lot
safer than the Michelin runners that also stuffed this race right up.
[email hidden] is a good place to ask why they sell stuff for
a company that thinks it is F1 and owns F1 also :)
"mcewena" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> FIA > > 8, Place de la Concorde > 75008 Paris > France > Telephone: +33 1 43 12 44 55 > Facsimile: +33 1 43 12 44 66 > > The only public email address is the webmasters, but perhaps if he gets > 10,000 emails he'll mention it to somebody ;) > [email hidden] > > > Michelin > 46, rue du Ressort > 63100 Clermont-Ferrand > France > > www.michelinsport.com > > > Bernie (notice he doesn't have a website ;) > Formula One Management > 6 Princes Gate > Knightsbridge > London SW7 1QJ > United Kingdom >
"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> and/or
>
> http://www.bridgestone-eu.com/bfe/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=000000000000000000000000000000000007RCRD
> ask them if they had any secret Firestone info that made their drivers a
> lot safer than the Michelin runners that also stuffed this race right up.
>
I sent this -
"I just wondered if anyone could tell me if Bridgestone had information
gained from Firestone from the Indy 500 race that, if shared with Michelin,
could have spared Ralph Schumacher a life threatening accident?"
......and got this -
"Thank you very much for your confidence in our organisation. We will do
our best to answer your request as soon as possible."
LOL.
So it's Bridgestone's fault Michelin got their sums wrong? I bet you
blamed the companies that make trenchcoats for Columbine didn't you...
An auto-response, Byron.
Hardly hilarious.
Bruce.
"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > ......and got this - > > > "Thank you very much for your confidence in our organisation. We will do > our best to answer your request as soon as possible." > > > > LOL. > >"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:42b87177
@mail.netspeed.com.au:
> An auto-response, Byron.
> Hardly hilarious.
>
> Bruce.
That and the fact he walked away from the SAFER barrier wall, means this
is a non-issue.
dave henrie
What sums? - they had no data, unlike Bridgestone.
"mcewena" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> So it's Bridgestone's fault Michelin got their sums wrong? I bet you
> blamed the companies that make trenchcoats for Columbine didn't you...
>
That's why it was funny actually Bruce. :)
Your autoresponse was not however. :(
"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> An auto-response, Byron. > Hardly hilarious. > > Bruce. > > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:42b8654c$0$27619$[email hidden]... >> >> ......and got this - >> >> >> "Thank you very much for your confidence in our organisation. We will do >> our best to answer your request as soon as possible." >> >> >> >> LOL. >> >> > >
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ok, so we can downgrade the charge from murder to attempted murder?
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> "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:42b87177 > @mail.netspeed.com.au: > >> An auto-response, Byron. >> Hardly hilarious. >> >> Bruce. > > That and the fact he walked away from the SAFER barrier wall, means this > is a non-issue. > > dave henrieFood for thought... like this never happened before...
Hell in what, the late 60's or early 70's, Kenny Roberts couldnt get a rain
tire to ride the some european Gran Prix his1st year, nobody would let him
have one and his tire people had NOT even thought to design one. You think
Kenny asked the people to run the race when it dried up? or reconfigure the
track?
SHIT NO! He took his dry tire, cut grooves in the bitches by hand before
the race, wen out there on his 1st ever rain race... He whooped thier
asses... the SOB's in france or england refused to pay him his winnings...
,
I didnt get to see the race, so all I have gotten (information wise) is what
I read here and another news group... But, with Safer barriers, and all
the shit for safety and they didnt go out and race? PFFFFT!
Real men are no more I guess?
rent On Any Sunday (circa 1973 74) sometime if you havent seen it, or dont
know who Kenny Roberts is.
more about a legend...
About 30 years ago, (motorcycle raicing) Yamaha was seeking to break
Harley's winning way on American dirt tracks, so they took the GP 500cc 2
stroke road race engine and put it in Kenny Roberts' flat tracker. Go here
for a good article on the history of that freaky bike and King Kenny's
experiences with it:
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/dontpaymeenuff.htm
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> What sums? - they had no data, unlike Bridgestone. > > > "mcewena" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> So it's Bridgestone's fault Michelin got their sums wrong? I bet >> you blamed the companies that make trenchcoats for Columbine didn't >> you..."Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in
No...attempted bruising.
Ya gotta wonder about Ralfie...Al Unser Jr got punted up into a non Safer-
Barrier corner by Emerson Fittipaldi and walked down the track to applaud
Emmo while the race was still in progress. Schumi Jr gets greeted by a
thick stryofoam cushion and runs home to the chiropractor.
dh
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>> >> That and the fact he walked away from the SAFER barrier wall, means >> this >> is a non-issue. >> >> dave henrie > > Ok, so we can downgrade the charge from murder to attempted > murder? > > >
"Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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(Pedant mode on) It was actually the TZ750 AMA roadracer engine cobbled into
a dirttrack frame and Roberts' comment after using it at the Milwaukee mile
(IIRC) was something like " They don't pay me enough money to ride that
thing". I think he was happy that the AMA quickly moved to ban the bike.
Roberts may have had balls of steel but he always had a finely honed
instinct for where the edge really was. (Pedant mode off)
100% agreement on renting On Any Sunday. Classic stuff from one of the
golden years of bikes
Dave
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> <snip> > rent On Any Sunday (circa 1973 74) sometime if you havent seen it, or dont > know who Kenny Roberts is. > > more about a legend... > > About 30 years ago, (motorcycle raicing) Yamaha was seeking to break > Harley's winning way on American dirt tracks, so they took the GP 500cc 2 > stroke road race engine and put it in Kenny Roberts' flat tracker. Go > here > for a good article on the history of that freaky bike and King Kenny's > experiences with it: > http://www.superbikeplanet.com/dontpaymeenuff.htm >"Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Food for thought... like this never happened before...
>
> .....(mindless rant)
Wow, you're so big & brave. I wish all racers were as big & brave as you.
Mike
Mike, you post as if I said "IM KENNY ROBERTS, AND YOU ARE A P#SSY"
somewhere in that post?
Should have I guess, but I would be lying about who I am. I was talking to
a person, who brought this up to me, I thought it was great comparison of
then and now.. flame me you fucktard, because you can not say Kenny didnt
risk his life on not only an unproven tire, but a tire that didnt even
fucking exist... but No, I was wrong... not relavant to this, I guess
because it was motorcycles in the 70's you know they were so much more safer
back then, right?
Nobody risked anything before current F1 racers & teams came along? It is
racing, for cryin out loud... Nobody wants to die, but "racers" by shear
definition, are people that are not scared to push things to the limit.
Nothing ventured nothing gained, and I posted an example of where someone
had the guts to race. you think it was mindless huh? good one.
Micheal Smith enlightened us with:
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> "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:YMjue.26237$%Z2.10943@lakeread08... >> Food for thought... like this never happened before... >> >> .....(mindless rant) > > Wow, you're so big & brave. I wish all racers were as big & brave as > you. > > MikeDave Henrie wrote:
Actually, he wanted to race but the teams medical advisers said no.
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> "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in > > >>> That and the fact he walked away from the SAFER barrier wall, means >>> this >>>is a non-issue. >>> >>>dave henrie >> >> Ok, so we can downgrade the charge from murder to attempted >> murder? >> >> >> > > No...attempted bruising. > > Ya gotta wonder about Ralfie...Al Unser Jr got punted up into a non Safer- > Barrier corner by Emerson Fittipaldi and walked down the track to applaud > Emmo while the race was still in progress. Schumi Jr gets greeted by a > thick stryofoam cushion and runs home to the chiropractor. > > dh >whooo <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1uBue.1132$z61.218@newsfe2-
gui.ntli.net:
> Actually, he wanted to race but the teams medical advisers said no.
Ok, thanks for the clarification. All I heard was he would not race
because of the crash at the same corner as last year.
dave(yeah, I'm wrong wonce in a whyle)henrie
> > Actually, he wanted to race but the teams medical advisers said no.
>
> Ok, thanks for the clarification. All I heard was he would not race
> because of the crash at the same corner as last year.
No he wanted to race but after the bang on the head he kept trying to
get into a Williams... ;)
"Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> SHIT NO! He took his dry tire, cut grooves in the bitches by hand before
> the race, wen out there on his 1st ever rain race... He whooped thier
> asses... the SOB's in france or england refused to pay him his
> winnings... ,
Ummm, things have changed a little since - insurance, law,
rules...........................................not an option to
teams/drivers
I really enjoyed the read about Kenny and his murderous cycle that
your link provided. Thanks for sharing, Plowboy!
All the best,
uwe
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nothing has changed - except for the mass of the testes of drivers. F1
drivers are a disgrace to their heritage - can you imaging one of these
girlie-men in a Lotus in 67 at Spa? Well no, neither could I because NOT one
of the guys on the present grid would even dare - I remember Coulthard
trying one of 1930 AUs and saying how terrified he was ... no kidding.
COWARDS the lot of em. And why the hell are they paid millions anyway? For
their skill? How much skill does one Mr. Albers posess I wonder ...
"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:YMjue.26237$%Z2.10943@lakeread08... >> >> SHIT NO! He took his dry tire, cut grooves in the bitches by hand before >> the race, wen out there on his 1st ever rain race... He whooped thier >> asses... the SOB's in france or england refused to pay him his >> winnings... , > > Ummm, things have changed a little since - insurance, law, > rules...........................................not an option to > teams/drivers >"Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Mike, you post as if I said "IM KENNY ROBERTS, AND YOU ARE A P#SSY"
> somewhere in that post?....
You said that, not me. Don't read things into posts that are not really
there.
> Should have I guess, but I would be lying about who I am. I was talkingto
> a person, who brought this up to me, I thought it was great comparison of
> then and now.. flame me you fucktard,...
Fucktard? Well done. Your command of english is exemplary.
> because you can not say Kenny didnt
> risk his life on not only an unproven tire, but a tire that didnt even
> fucking exist... but No, I was wrong... not relavant to this, I guess
> because it was motorcycles in the 70's you know they were so much moresafer
...
About the only thing mindless in this post is your diatribe.
Mike
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> back then, right? > > Nobody risked anything before current F1 racers & teams came along? It is > racing, for cryin out loud... Nobody wants to die, but "racers" by shear > definition, are people that are not scared to push things to the limit. > Nothing ventured nothing gained, and I posted an example of where someone > had the guts to race. you think it was mindless huh? good one.....
You said that, not me. Don't read things into posts that are not really
there.
...
***tard? Well done. Your command of english is exemplary.
...
About the only thing mindless in this post is your diatribe.
Mike
"alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sometimes the line between courage and outright stupidity can be pretty
blurry!
If you went parachutung and at the last minute the parachute company
rang you on your mobile just b4 you jumped and said "Ummm, gooday Alex.
About that chute mate, we cant 100% guarantee it will open. It's up to you"
What would you do?
(Hey, I think there's a TV series in there somewhere - LOL)
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> nothing has changed - except for the mass of the testes of drivers. F1 > drivers are a disgrace to their heritage - can you imaging one of these > girlie-men in a Lotus in 67 at Spa? Well no, neither could I because NOT > one of the guys on the present grid would even dare - I remember Coulthard > trying one of 1930 AUs and saying how terrified he was ... no kidding. > > COWARDS the lot of em. And why the hell are they paid millions anyway? For > their skill? How much skill does one Mr. Albers posess I wonder ...
"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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If I were paid 20 million bucks for taking the risk - and know that no-one
had died in 10 years even when it didn't open - I think I'd take the risk.
But your analogy doesn't work - hitting the wall, as Ralf has shown us
twice, is not fatal. It just hurts. And 20 million bucks is probably worth a
little pain - hell, I know guys that do this kinda stuff for free.
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> > "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oFSue.26706$[email hidden]... >> nothing has changed - except for the mass of the testes of drivers. F1 >> drivers are a disgrace to their heritage - can you imaging one of these >> girlie-men in a Lotus in 67 at Spa? Well no, neither could I because NOT >> one of the guys on the present grid would even dare - I remember >> Coulthard trying one of 1930 AUs and saying how terrified he was ... no >> kidding. >> >> COWARDS the lot of em. And why the hell are they paid millions anyway? >> For their skill? How much skill does one Mr. Albers posess I wonder ... > > Sometimes the line between courage and outright stupidity can be pretty > blurry! > > If you went parachutung and at the last minute the parachute company > rang you on your mobile just b4 you jumped and said "Ummm, gooday Alex. > About that chute mate, we cant 100% guarantee it will open. It's up to > you" > > What would you do? > > (Hey, I think there's a TV series in there somewhere - LOL)
"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Coulthard
> > trying one of 1930 AUs and saying how terrified he was ... no kidding.
> >
> > COWARDS the lot of em. And why the hell are they paid millions anyway?For
> > their skill? How much skill does one Mr. Albers posess I wonder ...
>
> Sometimes the line between courage and outright stupidity can bepretty
> blurry!
>
> If you went parachutung and at the last minute the parachute company
> rang you on your mobile just b4 you jumped and said "Ummm, gooday Alex.
> About that chute mate, we cant 100% guarantee it will open. It's up toyou"
>
> What would you do?
>
> (Hey, I think there's a TV series in there somewhere - LOL)
This is one of those relativity things.
Depends on the relative size of ones brain vs. ones balls.
Some people have a situation which will let them appear to be very brave
indeed. ;o)
Elrikk
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> > "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oFSue.26706$[email hidden]... > > nothing has changed - except for the mass of the testes of drivers. F1 > > drivers are a disgrace to their heritage - can you imaging one of these > > girlie-men in a Lotus in 67 at Spa? Well no, neither could I because NOT > > one of the guys on the present grid would even dare - I remember
"alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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If I were your son I'd make sure that will was properly prepared.
> But your analogy doesn't work - hitting the wall, as Ralf has shown us
> twice, is not fatal. It just hurts. And 20 million bucks is probably worth
> a little pain - hell, I know guys that do this kinda stuff for free.
>
There are reports of people surviving failed parachute jumps - pedant.
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> > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> If you went parachutung and at the last minute the parachute company >> rang you on your mobile just b4 you jumped and said "Ummm, gooday Alex. >> About that chute mate, we cant 100% guarantee it will open. It's up to >> you" >> >> What would you do? >> >> (Hey, I think there's a TV series in there somewhere - LOL) > If I were paid 20 million bucks for taking the risk - and know that no-one > had died in 10 years even when it didn't open - I think I'd take the risk. >
"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So they are building tires in the dark? WOW would class company there!
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> What sums? - they had no data, unlike Bridgestone. > > > "mcewena" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> So it's Bridgestone's fault Michelin got their sums wrong? I bet you >> blamed the companies that make trenchcoats for Columbine didn't you... >> > >
"Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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A pedant is one concerned with syntax - highlighting that fact that your
metaphor is half-baked is not pedantry - it is simple logic. Falling from
20,000 feet without a parachute - and driving an F1 car are, alas, hardly
comparable - at least, to anyone with any degree of intelligence.
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> > "alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:gg0ve.26778$[email hidden]... >> >> "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>> If you went parachutung and at the last minute the parachute company >>> rang you on your mobile just b4 you jumped and said "Ummm, gooday Alex. >>> About that chute mate, we cant 100% guarantee it will open. It's up to >>> you" >>> >>> What would you do? >>> >>> (Hey, I think there's a TV series in there somewhere - LOL) >> If I were paid 20 million bucks for taking the risk - and know that >> no-one had died in 10 years even when it didn't open - I think I'd take >> the risk. >> > > If I were your son I'd make sure that will was properly prepared. > > >> But your analogy doesn't work - hitting the wall, as Ralf has shown us >> twice, is not fatal. It just hurts. And 20 million bucks is probably >> worth a little pain - hell, I know guys that do this kinda stuff for >> free. >> > > There are reports of people surviving failed parachute jumps - pedant.
"alex martini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sorry, that response is past the expiry date, and thus invalid.
