F1CS200 - Woohoo! Thanks, Andy Manhood!

Got F12000 when it first came out. Not bad, I thought. I can *feel* the car. No, I couldn't *feel* it like I do in GPL, but I felt like I knew what the car was doing. However, it was a sluggish, heavy feeling car. Different than GP2 (which I had still occasionally played), but I liked F12000 better. Enter GP3... Got it the day it came out and was disappointed. It was, alas, GP2.5 as I had been told. But I played it, and it grew on me. I even tried to play it a lot, but then GPL crept back in and again took hold of my simming time. F1CS2000 is released. Screw that. I'll wait til F12001 comes out. I don't want an "updated" game. I got that with GP2.5 John Bodin releases the "all-chassis" patch for F1SC2000. Sounds cool, but I wonder if it'd work with the original F12000. Blow the dust off the game, apply the patch, and I've got a great feeling game! I'm actually having fun with this thing again. The patch however, is buggy with F12000 so John makes up a patch specifically for this game. Better, but there's still probs on my machine. (I'll tell ya bout 'em later, John). I can live with 'em though. Finally a modern F1 game I really enjoy. Too bad The AI really sucks in this game. Oh well... Guess you can't have it all... So I'm sitting on the toilet (sorry folks, but that's how it happened) and I'm reading PC Gamer magazine, specifically Andy Manhood's review of F1CS2000. "Enhanced physics. Realistic AI. Smoother framerates. Beautiful new sound. This is what F12000 should have been. The new Modern F1 King". I respect his reviews more than anyone's, considering he was as awe-struck as I was when I first fired up GPL. Dammit. Off to the store to spend another $30-$40 on practically the *same game*! I get home, install it, set it up, and take 'er for a spin. Wow, this *feels* fantastic! better than F12000 with the all-chassis patch! Motors are sluggish again, though, but the framerates are much better, and the AI actually seems to still have their brain stem intact... Wonderful, but could it get better??? Off to the web to find John's patch for F1cs2000. Got it! I apply the patch. That zippy, blippy motor is back! Take a spin in a Mac. Damn this car looks gorgeous from inside, now that I was able to set the cockpit detail to high because of the better framerates. Rev limiter out of the pit... take the right that will lead me to Eu Rouge (sp?)... Rev limiter off... BLIP! spin... (I love that patch!). Straighten it back out, and head to... OH BAYBEE!! the fixed Eu Rouge! Yessss! I get through, down the straight, motor screaming, tossing it thru the next series of right/left/right turns, sliding, hopping on the curbs, too much throttle coming out... Spin... but wait... That "oh, the car is spinning, I'll just have to wait for it to stop" feeling is gone! My corrective inputs actually help me right the car much quicker than before (sorta *cough* GPL like)! Can you say powerslides? I can now(not to the extent of GPL, but you can kick it out if ya wanna)! To my Eagle in GPL... "Sorry, hon, but I'm gonna let you have a bit of a rest. Don't worry, cause daddy's gonna be back before you know it, cause some things only you can do for me and I'll always remember that. We'll always have the 'Ring and a chicane-less Monza. But it's a big world out there... Indy has to be driven backwards, and you need wings to go thru the fast switchbacks at Sepang. Actually, I think you would like my new friend if you could meet her. You have a lot in common. Good night, dear... *kiss* Once again, thanks to Andy Manhood for inspiring me sh!t or get off the pot (literally) and get this game, as well as John Bodin for the must-have all-chassis patch. Wonderful work guys. You made modern F1 fun again! Warlock!

No way there is a MASSIVE difference in frame rates. My brother could hardly run f12000 on his k62-450, but it is going great with f12kcs. Perhaps there is little difference on high-end machines Ash "Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:w9Sh6.340$[email hidden]...

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| Better watch what you say about framerates....Folks here say according to | FRAPS, (non-supported by EA frame-rate analyzer) there is no difference | between F12000 AND F12CS2000. | | -Cheers! | | |

Better watch what you say about framerates....Folks here say according to FRAPS, (non-supported by EA frame-rate analyzer) there is no difference between F12000 AND F12CS2000. -Cheers!

I know... I've got fraps too, but after seeing the slideshow starts for races in F12000, you don't need fraps to tell ya about better framerates... you can *see* the difference. Warlock! Regular Racer wrote: > Better watch what you say about framerates....Folks here say according to > FRAPS, (non-supported by EA frame-rate analyzer) there is no difference > between F12000 AND F12CS2000. > > -Cheers!

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:34:30 -0500, Matt Lanzer <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip>

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>To my Eagle in GPL... "Sorry, hon, but I'm gonna let you have a bit of a >rest. Don't worry, cause daddy's gonna be back before you know it, cause >some things only you can do for me and I'll always remember that. We'll >always have the 'Ring and a chicane-less Monza. But it's a big world out >there... Indy has to be driven backwards, and you need wings to go thru >the fast switchbacks at Sepang. Actually, I think you would like my new >friend if you could meet her. You have a lot in common. >Good night, dear... *kiss*

WARNING TO ALL GPL NEWBIES: See, this is what happens to you once GPL gets you. Avoid GPL at all costs!!! Play Sos37 or 4x4 Offroad instead!! Andre

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:12:10 -0000, "Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >No way there is a MASSIVE difference in frame rates. My brother could >hardly run f12000 on his k62-450, but it is going great with f12kcs. >Perhaps there is little difference on high-end machines On my PIII500 V3 3000 I had a -huge- fps gain, no matter what FRAPS or whatever benchmark tries to tell me. Andre

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> >Ash > > >"Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:w9Sh6.340$[email hidden]... >| Better watch what you say about framerates....Folks here say according to >| FRAPS, (non-supported by EA frame-rate analyzer) there is no difference >| between F12000 AND F12CS2000. >| >| -Cheers! >| >| >| > >

I guess I should throw in the fact that I have a P2 400 with a Voodoo3 300, 128 mb RAM Matt Lanzer wrote:

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> I know... I've got fraps too, but after seeing the slideshow starts for races > in F12000, you don't need fraps to tell ya about better framerates... you can > *see* the difference. > > Warlock! > > Regular Racer wrote: > > > Better watch what you say about framerates....Folks here say according to > > FRAPS, (non-supported by EA frame-rate analyzer) there is no difference > > between F12000 AND F12CS2000. > > > > -Cheers!

Hey Warlock! NYR here! Welcome to the real world of F1 sim racing! Now go check out the upcoming CART patch for it at www.champweb.net!!

On 12 Feb 2001 17:59:49 GMT, [email hidden] (TRUSRS85) wrote:

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>Hey Warlock! > >NYR here! > >Welcome to the real world of F1 sim racing! > >Now go check out the upcoming CART patch for it at www.champweb.net!!

CART CART CART CART CART CART CART CART CART Andre

No increase at all on my Athlon 1.2 and Geforce Ultra! Iain "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:12:10 -0000, "Ashley McConnell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >No way there is a MASSIVE difference in frame rates. My brother could > >hardly run f12000 on his k62-450, but it is going great with f12kcs. > >Perhaps there is little difference on high-end machines > > On my PIII500 V3 3000 I had a -huge- fps gain, no matter what FRAPS or > whatever benchmark tries to tell me. > > Andre > > > > >Ash > > > > > >"Regular Racer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:w9Sh6.340$[email hidden]... > >| Better watch what you say about framerates....Folks here say according

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On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:34:30 -0500, Matt Lanzer <[email hidden]> wrote: >Once again, thanks to Andy Manhood for inspiring me sh!t or get off the >pot (literally) and get this game, as well as John Bodin for the >must-have all-chassis patch. Wonderful work guys. You made modern F1 fun >again! I really am happy for you! However, I believe the man's name is 'Andy Mahood'. Unless, of course, that's his porno name... Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!

Martin Ursua wrote: I really am happy for you! However, I believe the man's name > is 'Andy Mahood'. > > Unless, of course, that's his porno name... > > Martin > Long Live Nigel Mansell! Rats! And I always thought he had a really cool name! Oh well... Warlock!

man's name Rats! And I always thought he had a really cool name! Oh well... Warlock!

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:09:00 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) thus spoke: >On my PIII500 V3 3000 I had a -huge- fps gain, no matter what FRAPS or >whatever benchmark tries to tell me. Hehe...FRAPS does not lie. -- Jagg

Warringa) thus spoke: Hehe...FRAPS does not lie. -- Jagg

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:16:11 -0500, Matt Lanzer <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >Martin Ursua wrote: I really am happy for you! However, I believe the >man's name > >> is 'Andy Mahood'. >> >> Unless, of course, that's his porno name... >> >> Martin >> Long Live Nigel Mansell! > >Rats! And I always thought he had a really cool name! >Oh well... > >Warlock!

What were you REALLY doing in the bathroom, Matt? Or maybe we DON'T want to know . . . ;-) -- JB

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:34:30 -0500, Matt Lanzer <[email hidden]> wrote: <LIBERAL SNIP> >Once again, thanks to Andy Manhood for inspiring me sh!t or get off the >pot (literally) and get this game, as well as John Bodin for the >must-have all-chassis patch. Wonderful work guys. You made modern F1 fun >again! > >Warlock! WOW! Thanks for the high praise, Matt -- I also admire Andy's take on sims, and I am highly flattered to be lumped into that same company (even if it is an indirect tie-in). I am even more flattered, though, that you are enjoying the All Chassis Patch so much. I had a LOT of help from other people when it came to ironing out all the physics details, and also getting the AI to still function properly with the new physics, so my role was more that of the implementer, rather than the innovator. Still, it took a lot of work on my part to bring it all together get it all right, so it's really great to see that my efforts have been so well-received. I get a lot of enjoyment from the patch myself, but I get even more enjoyment knowing that others appreciate what I have done for the F1CS community in general. Many thanks! ;-) -- JB P.S. Don't forget to tell me what you were seeing with the F12K All Chassis Patch -- I'd still like to iron that out for the sake of those still playing F1 2000 users!

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:43:39 GMT, [email hidden] (Jagg) wrote:

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>On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:09:00 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre >Warringa) thus spoke: > > >>On my PIII500 V3 3000 I had a -huge- fps gain, no matter what FRAPS or >>whatever benchmark tries to tell me. > >Hehe...FRAPS does not lie.

True :) Just pointing out that F1CS2000 gave a big fps improvement on my system, contrary to some FRAPS tests on other systems. Apparently system specs determine if F1CS2k will or won't give an fps improvement. Andre >-- >Jagg

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:04:23 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) thus spoke: >True :) Just pointing out that F1CS2000 gave a big fps improvement on >my system, contrary to some FRAPS tests on other systems. >Apparently system specs determine if F1CS2k will or won't give an fps >improvement. > >Andre I never ran FRAPS on F12KCS, but it does feel slightly smoother to me too. Still not that great though. Here's hoping the new graphics engine they will be using in F12001 will be much better. -- Jagg

Hello John, Let me add my thanks to you and all the others involved in the AllChassis patch. I'm enjoying it tremendously. It's a treat to have all the various marques behaving differently. I enjoy trying to get the best out of a Minardi as much as I enjoy smoking around in a Mclaren. As far as I'm concerned, your group is as much responsible for making this a great sim as the team that wrote it. J. P. Hovercraft John Bodin wrote:

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> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:34:30 -0500, Matt Lanzer <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > <LIBERAL SNIP> > > >Once again, thanks to Andy Manhood for inspiring me sh!t or get off the > >pot (literally) and get this game, as well as John Bodin for the > >must-have all-chassis patch. Wonderful work guys. You made modern F1 fun > >again! > > > >Warlock! > > WOW! Thanks for the high praise, Matt -- I also admire Andy's take on > sims, and I am highly flattered to be lumped into that same company > (even if it is an indirect tie-in). I am even more flattered, though, > that you are enjoying the All Chassis Patch so much. > > I had a LOT of help from other people when it came to ironing out all > the physics details, and also getting the AI to still function > properly with the new physics, so my role was more that of the > implementer, rather than the innovator. Still, it took a lot of work > on my part to bring it all together get it all right, so it's really > great to see that my efforts have been so well-received. I get a lot > of enjoyment from the patch myself, but I get even more enjoyment > knowing that others appreciate what I have done for the F1CS community > in general. > > Many thanks! > > ;-) > > -- JB > > P.S. Don't forget to tell me what you were seeing with the F12K All > Chassis Patch -- I'd still like to iron that out for the sake of those > still playing F1 2000 users!

I've hit all my usual haunts, with no luck. Could someone post the URL for the all chassis patch? Thank You

[email hidden] (Mike King) wrote in <904A38ADBmmkironstonecom@ 64.152.100.92>:

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> > >I've hit all my usual haunts, with no luck. >Could someone post the URL for the all chassis patch? > >Thank You >

Never Mind! One too many damn popups!