Here's What I don't get about N4-No Flame

If graphics are indeed the major resource hog when it comes to 3d games-then why does my system run NH beautifully with almost all graphics on high yet N4 won't give me 7fps with all graphics at medium? This is assuming that you agree that N4 graphics are still not as good as NH...which I do...and some others on RAS as well-although obviously I haven't viewed N4 in 1024x768 either! What a conundrum!

IMHO, I believe the NASCAR 4 physics engine is alot more taxing on the system then NASCAR Heats. On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:10:25 -0500, "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>If graphics are indeed the major resource hog when it comes to 3d games-then >why does my system run NH beautifully with almost all graphics on high yet >N4 won't give me 7fps with all graphics at medium? > >This is assuming that you agree that N4 graphics are still not as good as >NH...which I do...and some others on RAS as well-although obviously I >haven't viewed N4 in 1024x768 either! > >What a conundrum! > >

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:27:31 GMT, (Rich#8) wrote: >IMHO, I believe the NASCAR 4 physics engine is alot more taxing on the >system then NASCAR Heats. Hmm.. have you tried NH after you played N4? Is there really that much difference? They both feel 'different' but I still wonder why NH runs so unbelievable much smoother on my system than N4.. Andre

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> > >On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:10:25 -0500, "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>If graphics are indeed the major resource hog when it comes to 3d games-then >>why does my system run NH beautifully with almost all graphics on high yet >>N4 won't give me 7fps with all graphics at medium? >> >>This is assuming that you agree that N4 graphics are still not as good as >>NH...which I do...and some others on RAS as well-although obviously I >>haven't viewed N4 in 1024x768 either! >> >>What a conundrum! >> >>

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:27:31 GMT, (Rich#8) thus spoke: >IMHO, I believe the NASCAR 4 physics engine is alot more taxing on the >system then NASCAR Heats. Thinks so? I don't find N4's physic engine to be that much more than NH's. Both have good physics engines. How is N4 so much better? I haven't had much time with N4 yet so may be missing something. -- Jagg

Well, I am just the opposite, I think N4's graphics look much more realistic than Heat's. What's your system specs? -- Don Burnette "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KTUh6.7291$[email hidden]... > If graphics are indeed the major resource hog when it comes to 3d games-then > why does my system run NH beautifully with almost all graphics on high yet > N4 won't give me 7fps with all graphics at medium? > > This is assuming that you agree that N4 graphics are still not as good as > NH...which I do...and some others on RAS as well-although obviously I > haven't viewed N4 in 1024x768 either! > > What a conundrum! > >

I didn't say Heat was better then NASCAR 4, I simply said the N4 physics engine a la GPL seems more processor intensive then Heats. When I watch a replay in N4 compared with Heat, the cars seem to move in a more realistic manner, akin to watching TV. Heat seems more canned, you ever see a car in Heat when it flips on two wheels. The physics engine is designed to flip the car back onto 4 wheels, it looks very strange, this is glaringly obvious in the replays. Obviously this is all subjective, I prefer NASCAR 4. On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:52:34 GMT, [email hidden] (Jagg) wrote:

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>On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:27:31 GMT, (Rich#8) thus spoke: > >>IMHO, I believe the NASCAR 4 physics engine is alot more taxing on the >>system then NASCAR Heats. > >Thinks so? I don't find N4's physic engine to be that much more than >NH's. Both have good physics engines. How is N4 so much better? I >haven't had much time with N4 yet so may be missing something. >-- >Jagg

P-III 450 ASUS P3BF MOBO V3-3000 nothing oc'd. But Something is definitely wrong here-even when I turn down all graphics and still system freezes...already put in newest drivers....tried o'cing and that don't help- I just wish some people would not downplay other's major problems running this game. Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DU_h6.273052$[email hidden]... > Well, I am just the opposite, I think N4's graphics look much morerealistic

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> than Heat's. > What's your system specs? > > > -- > Don Burnette > > > "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KTUh6.7291$[email hidden]... > > If graphics are indeed the major resource hog when it comes to 3d > games-then > > why does my system run NH beautifully with almost all graphics on high

yet > > N4 won't give me 7fps with all graphics at medium? > > > > This is assuming that you agree that N4 graphics are still not as goodas

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> > NH...which I do...and some others on RAS as well-although obviously I > > haven't viewed N4 in 1024x768 either! > > > > What a conundrum! > > > > > > >

You should not be getting constant freezes, that suggests a problem somewhere. I know, it's annoying as hell, I've been there before. Granted, you would have to really turn some detail down, but it should not be freezing up on you like that. -- Don Burnette "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:giii6.12939$[email hidden]... > P-III 450 ASUS P3BF MOBO V3-3000 nothing oc'd. But Something is definitely > wrong here-even when I turn down all graphics and still system > freezes...already put in newest drivers....tried o'cing and that don't help- > I just wish some people would not downplay other's major problems running > this game. > > > Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:DU_h6.273052$[email hidden]... > > Well, I am just the opposite, I think N4's graphics look much more > realistic > > than Heat's. > > What's your system specs? > > > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > > > > > "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:KTUh6.7291$[email hidden]... > > > If graphics are indeed the major resource hog when it comes to 3d > > games-then > > > why does my system run NH beautifully with almost all graphics on high > yet > > > N4 won't give me 7fps with all graphics at medium? > > > > > > This is assuming that you agree that N4 graphics are still not as good > as > > > NH...which I do...and some others on RAS as well-although obviously I > > > haven't viewed N4 in 1024x768 either! > > > > > > What a conundrum! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:05:16 -0500, "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote: >P-III 450 ASUS P3BF MOBO V3-3000 nothing oc'd. But Something is definitely >wrong here-even when I turn down all graphics and still system >freezes...already put in newest drivers....tried o'cing and that don't help- >I just wish some people would not downplay other's major problems running >this game. We have allmost the same system, PIII500 V3 here. This system is really too slow for N4.. even in 640 resolution, all details down, I get 20fps at best, but that drops heavily when a minor accident happens in front of me. I don't know why your system freezes though, N4 doesn't on my system.. Andre

Andre, I'm getting 30 - 40 fps at 640 X 480 on a celeron 466 (OC to 525) with a V3 3000. I'd expect you should be getting more than 20 on a P3 500 -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > We have allmost the same system, PIII500 V3 here. This system is > really too slow for N4.. even in 640 resolution, all details down, I > get 20fps at best, but that drops heavily when a minor accident > happens in front of me. I don't know why your system freezes though, > N4 doesn't on my system.. > > Andre

Well it appears I've discovered the freeze up problem- I turned off APM (Advanced power Management) in CMOS and voila! I'm playing now with everything around 25-50% getting 15 to 20 FPS. Now I think that if I oc'd MOBO and dropped in ge Ultra this game could really begin to rock...

APM can cause alot of problems on some machines. It used to cause havok on my old server machine "18pACK" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8Mwi6.9361$[email hidden]... > Well it appears I've discovered the freeze up problem- I turned off APM > (Advanced power Management) in CMOS and voila! I'm playing now with > everything around 25-50% getting 15 to 20 FPS. Now I think that if I oc'd > MOBO and dropped in ge Ultra this game could really begin to rock... > >

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:55:17 -0000, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Andre, I'm getting 30 - 40 fps at 640 X 480 on a celeron 466 (OC to 525) >with a V3 3000. I'd expect you should be getting more than 20 on a P3 500 Weird... I was even positive when I mentioned 20fps, it's even lower most of the time. Oh well, I ordered a new computer, it should arrive today, that seemed the easiest way to get a little fps boost in N4 :) Andre

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>-- >Ian P ><email invalid due to spam> > > >Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> We have allmost the same system, PIII500 V3 here. This system is >> really too slow for N4.. even in 640 resolution, all details down, I >> get 20fps at best, but that drops heavily when a minor accident >> happens in front of me. I don't know why your system freezes though, >> N4 doesn't on my system.. >> >> Andre > >

read my observation on the nheat phys above pez Jagg <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:27:31 GMT, (Rich#8) thus spoke: > > >IMHO, I believe the NASCAR 4 physics engine is alot more taxing on the > >system then NASCAR Heats. > > Thinks so? I don't find N4's physic engine to be that much more than > NH's. Both have good physics engines. How is N4 so much better? I > haven't had much time with N4 yet so may be missing something. > -- > Jagg