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sim racing is following the footsteps of flight sims

reggie white <[email hidden]> wrote in news:Wuhve.116339$VH2.107362 @tornado.tampabay.rr.com: > sim racing is following the footsteps of flight sims > wow thats a really good argument. if your a solicitor then i bet your shit hot in court !

reggie white wrote: > sim racing is following the footsteps of flight sims I agree.

You mean with everyone moving to web boards and off unmoderated groups? You bet. FS'n is alive and kicking. Several new ones are coming out soon as well. "reggie white" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Wuhve.116339$[email hidden]... > sim racing is following the footsteps of flight sims

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> You mean with everyone moving to web boards and off unmoderated groups? You > bet. > FS'n is alive and kicking. Several new ones are coming out soon as well. > > "reggie white" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Wuhve.116339$[email hidden]... > >>sim racing is following the footsteps of flight sims > > >

It's too bad. I don't see the attraction to web based forums. They are big, bloated, slow and do not offer the flexibility of news reader software. Unfortunately, I have been using the web servers more just because that is where the good discussions are. I like http://forum.rscnet.org, but it has been unavailable more times in the last month than my news services has been unavailable in the last few years and it is always slower than the news groups! I don't mean to slam them, but what is better about a web board expect for the registration that keeps out spam and jerks? I can filter them out with my news software :) ... I guess I'll never understand the attraction, but if I want to share and get information, I guess I have no choice. I have gotten great information from the people that use RSC and will continue to use the service. Russell

You obviously dont know anything about Flight Sims. Flight Sims are better than ever. Numerous quality titles available ATM from multiple genres. Online racing on the other hand has almost no chance of success. Win at all cost idiots that wreck ANYONE that may happen in their way regardless that its the first fn lap of a 100 lap race.. Then once you make the pass it makes the idiot mad so he wrecks you cause hes a slowass ho. And put something on the line and it gets even worse. Add to that unbelievably huge ego's and we have what is sim racing. Next youre going to tell us it wasnt the Steroids that killed the preacher.... Mitch "reggie white" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Wuhve.116339$[email hidden]... > sim racing is following the footsteps of flight sims

[email hidden] wrote: > reggie white wrote: > >> sim racing is following the footsteps of flight sims > > I agree. Flight sims are doing very well these days. The sole reason I spent the money to upgrade my Cougar hotas with the Uber2 nxt gimball mod and hall sensors... what an incredibly smooth, accurate, and heavily programmable hotas this is now. Actually, since getting back into flight simming, I haven't done any sim racing in several months. IL2 FB/AEP/PF merged install is an incredibly indepth wwII sim, and with the latest 4.01 update, is awesome! And some incredibly great user made campaigns. While I have not done much of it yet, online seems to be a blast as well. I spend the vast majority of my simming time with this one. Lomac , while I don't yet have it, I do plan to get it - seems to be pretty popular amongst the jet jockeys, and the new flaming cliffs addon has gotten a lot of good press. Falcon 4, look at all the user updates done to it, ie SP4, FF3.. and now, next week, the newly updated Falcon4 Allied Force is being released. I am going to have to grab this one, heck, I still have the original Falcon4 with binder I got off an ebay bid, and have yet to install it. I may have to install both it and AF , just to compare the two. EECH - fantastic helicopter war sim, and since the code was released, several user mods have made it much better. MSFS 2004 - quite a following, and for civilian aircraft flying, is great. Just look at the following it has in it's newsgroup... -- Don Burnette "When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the way of the man that's doing it."

[email hidden] wrote: > reggie white wrote: > > > sim racing is following the footsteps of flight sims > > I agree. Put it back in your pants. There are a bunch of awesome flight sims coming out in the next year. I may actually take a long hiatus from simracing whenever Mig Alley 2 comes out.

>"Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote > Actually, since getting back into flight simming, I haven't done any sim > racing in several months. So hmm... you want us to start burning you from the legs up or starting with the gasoline-fueled arms? ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

jason moyer wrote: > Put it back in your pants. uh.

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> Flight sims are doing very well these days. The sole reason I spent the > money to upgrade my Cougar hotas with the Uber2 nxt gimball mod and hall > sensors... what an incredibly smooth, accurate, and heavily programmable > hotas this is now. > > Actually, since getting back into flight simming, I haven't done any sim > racing in several months. > > IL2 FB/AEP/PF merged install is an incredibly indepth wwII sim, and with > the latest 4.01 update, is awesome! And some incredibly great user made > campaigns. While I have not done much of it yet, online seems to be a > blast as well. I spend the vast majority of my simming time with this one. > Lomac , while I don't yet have it, I do plan to get it - seems to be > pretty popular amongst the jet jockeys, and the new flaming cliffs addon > has gotten a lot of good press. > Falcon 4, look at all the user updates done to it, ie SP4, FF3.. and now, > next week, the newly updated Falcon4 Allied Force is being released. I am > going to have to grab this one, heck, I still have the original Falcon4 > with binder I got off an ebay bid, and have yet to install it. I may have > to install both it and AF , just to compare the two. > EECH - fantastic helicopter war sim, and since the code was released, > several user mods have made it much better. > MSFS 2004 - quite a following, and for civilian aircraft flying, is great. > Just look at the following it has in it's newsgroup... > > > > > -- > Don Burnette

I am amazed at what has been done to Falcon 4.0. How old is that title now, going on 5-6yrs or so? I also bought the original when it was first released. The large manual is pretty much the same one that actual F-16 pilots used during indoctrination. The things that have been done to bring it up to date are amazing. The participation of actual pilots in rewriting the code has been great. I remember playing online on the old F4 server and my life expectancy was usually less than a couple of minutes.........then I found that I was going up against a bunch of real F-16 jocks flying in the Balkins.....:-). I can't think of any sim, flight or racing, that has been supported this long by dedicated 3rd parties. Ed > > "When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the > way of the man that's doing it." > >

In article <5qBve.53$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Online racing on the other hand has almost no chance of success. Win at all > cost idiots that wreck ANYONE that may happen in their way regardless that > its the first fn lap of a 100 lap race.. Then once you make the pass it > makes the idiot mad so he wrecks you cause hes a slowass ho. Mitch, you still running in RASCAR?

Negative. Fischer fucked me out of it too ;) Mitch "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <5qBve.53$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... >> Online racing on the other hand has almost no chance of success. Win at >> all >> cost idiots that wreck ANYONE that may happen in their way regardless >> that >> its the first fn lap of a 100 lap race.. Then once you make the pass it >> makes the idiot mad so he wrecks you cause hes a slowass ho. > > Mitch, you still running in RASCAR? >

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> Negative. Fischer fucked me out of it too ;) > > Mitch > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <5qBve.53$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > >> Online racing on the other hand has almost no chance of success. Win at > >> all > >> cost idiots that wreck ANYONE that may happen in their way regardless > >> that > >> its the first fn lap of a 100 lap race.. Then once you make the pass it > >> makes the idiot mad so he wrecks you cause hes a slowass ho. > > > > Mitch, you still running in RASCAR? > > > > >

I'm running in a Friday Night Aero88 series in NASCOR... Season's half over but the racing is real good.

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> In article <o8fxe.1622$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Negative. Fischer fucked me out of it too ;) > > > > Mitch > > > > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > Mitch, you still running in RASCAR? > > > > > > > I'm running in a Friday Night Aero88 series in NASCOR... > > Season's half over but the racing is real good. >

BTW, it's http://www.nascor.net/ :)

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <5qBve.53$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > Online racing on the other hand has almost no chance of success. Win atall > > cost idiots that wreck ANYONE that may happen in their way regardlessthat > > its the first fn lap of a 100 lap race.. Then once you make the pass it > > makes the idiot mad so he wrecks you cause hes a slowass ho. > > Mitch, you still running in RASCAR? > No one is running in RASCAR. It's done. bluestringer

> No one is running in RASCAR. It's done. > > bluestringer Mitch strikes again

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <5qBve.53$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > Online racing on the other hand has almost no chance of success. Win at > all > > > cost idiots that wreck ANYONE that may happen in their way regardless > that > > > its the first fn lap of a 100 lap race.. Then once you make the pass it > > > makes the idiot mad so he wrecks you cause hes a slowass ho. > > > > Mitch, you still running in RASCAR? > > > > > No one is running in RASCAR. It's done. > > bluestringer > > >

Wow, how long has that been the case? What happened?

Shutup Fredrickson (Larry Bakesmith) and who asked you anything anyway..... "reggie white" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:komxe.137519$[email hidden]... >> No one is running in RASCAR. It's done. >> >> bluestringer > > Mitch strikes again

"John Simmons" wrote... > Wow, how long has that been the case? What happened? Surprised to hear that too. I went over to V8 Thunder in the interseason, sort of got stuck there and didn't follow events here... Jan. =---

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> "John Simmons" wrote... > > > Wow, how long has that been the case? What happened? > > Surprised to hear that too. > > I went over to V8 Thunder in the interseason, sort of got stuck there and > didn't follow events here... >

Well, if any of the old RASCAR or RRH guys are interested, we're running some pretty good races at NASCOR. They have online and offline stuff, and they're using cup, cts, bgn, and aero.

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>> "John Simmons" wrote... >> > >>> > Wow, how long has that been the case? What happened? > >> >> Surprised to hear that too. >> >> I went over to V8 Thunder in the interseason, sort of got stuck

there and >> didn't follow events here... >> Well, if any of the old RASCAR or RRH guys are interested, we're running some pretty good races at NASCOR. They have online and offline stuff, and they're using cup, cts, bgn, and aero. --------------------------- Maybe RASCAR should be reincarnated to GTRascar? Or perhaps Rfascar? There are ovals for GTR now. I have a GTR server running that can hold 12 - 14. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch [URL=http://gtr.gplrank.info/viewLaptimesbyUserId?user_id=14884]GTRank[/URL] Member: Screamers Racing League oAo AoA MARA GTR GT Rank +34.560 NGT Rank +37.765 GT Rank Monster +1163.777 GPL Rank + 14.768 MoGPL Rank + 308.654 N2003 Rank -18.8060 ---------------- Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- <a href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&amp;id=0&amp;t=1">Get Firefox!</a>

ZZ Busch wrote: > Maybe RASCAR should be reincarnated to GTRascar? Or perhaps Rfascar? > > There are ovals for GTR now. I have a GTR server running that can hold > 12 - 14. Plus LFS S2 - which might be a fun blast for drivers from RAS to meet up. I've always liked the early "club" concept of RASCAR where it was a place for drivers who participate in RAS to join up and have a chat and a race online. I don't believe it should matter what the sim is, GTR one time, LFS another, rFactor another as they become available. A good opportunity to try out a sim, get some helpful advice and have some fun side by side racing. The concept is great but it does need some managing as not everybody get along all of the time... LFS S2 has that jump in and drive quality that might suit if anyone fancies a RASCAR resurrection race some time soon. Cheers Tony

ZZ Busch wrote: > Maybe RASCAR should be reincarnated to GTRascar? Or perhaps Rfascar? > > There are ovals for GTR now. I have a GTR server running that can hold 12 - 14. Plus LFS S2 - which might be a fun blast for drivers from RAS to meet up. I've always liked the early "club" concept of RASCAR where it was a place for drivers who participate in RAS to join up and have a chat and a race online. I don't believe it should matter what the sim is, GTR one time, LFS another, rFactor another as they become available. A good opportunity to try out a sim, get some helpful advice and have some fun side by side racing. The concept is great but it does need some managing as not everybody get along all of the time... LFS S2 has that jump in and drive quality that might suit if anyone fancies a RASCAR resurrection race some time soon. Cheers Tony ------------------------ That's a good idea Tony. I'm almost ready to take the LFS plunge. I just got to figure out which option to pay for to get the full package. I suppose LFS has a dedicated server option? I wonder if a show of hands from interested RAS'ers would help move this along. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch [URL=http://gtr.gplrank.info/viewLaptimesbyUserId?user_id=14884]GTRank[/URL] Member: Screamers Racing League oAo AoA MARA GTR GT Rank +34.560 NGT Rank +37.765 GT Rank Monster +1163.777 GPL Rank + 14.768 MoGPL Rank + 308.654 N2003 Rank -18.8060 ---------------- Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- <a href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&amp;id=0&amp;t=1">Get Firefox!</a>

"ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eRAxe.139141$[email hidden]...

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> ZZ Busch wrote: > > > Maybe RASCAR should be reincarnated to GTRascar? Or perhaps Rfascar? > > > > There are ovals for GTR now. I have a GTR server running that can > hold 12 - 14. > > > Plus LFS S2 - which might be a fun blast for drivers from RAS to meet up. > > I've always liked the early "club" concept of RASCAR where it was a > place for drivers who participate in RAS to join up and have a chat and > a race online. I don't believe it should matter what the sim is, GTR one > time, LFS another, rFactor another as they become available. A good > opportunity to try out a sim, get some helpful advice and have some fun > side by side racing. > > The concept is great but it does need some managing as not everybody get > along all of the time... > > LFS S2 has that jump in and drive quality that might suit if anyone > fancies a RASCAR resurrection race some time soon. > > Cheers > Tony > > ------------------------ > > That's a good idea Tony. I'm almost ready to take the LFS plunge. I > just got to figure out which option to pay for to get the full package. > > I suppose LFS has a dedicated server option? > > I wonder if a show of hands from interested RAS'ers would help move this > along.

I've owned LFS since it came out (and the 2nd part) but haven't tried it online. Will get RFactor as soon as it is available. Have tried the demo on and offline. Would love to race either of them with the RASCAR regulars or anyone else who tolerates a driver who will try to stay out of the way of the 'speed demons' while enjoying racing mid pack. Elrikk

My NR2003 days are *basically* over. I really like GTR but a large numbers of racers never materialized like I thought/hoped they would which made me lose interest, at least taking it as seriously as Id like. Pickup racing on Racemore in a full real GT race takes some SERIOUS skill which most dont have so after the first 2 laps the field goes from the mid twenties to two or three. Not saying their isnt some very fast skilled drivers its just the numbers are pretty low. GTR is the current best of class pure racing sim (imo) so I assumed (u know what they say about assuming anything) RASCAR would make the transition asap after release in NA. Never happened though I did try very hard and prolly lost a few friends in the heat of the conversation but I saw the writing on the wall before this season started and was being proactive about it instead of drivers just slowly fading away week by week. Add to that mix wreckers like Fredrickson/Reggie (Larry Bakesmith) that come into two races out of thirty just to wreck me out of top 5's and then RASCAR mgt's inability to punish this known wrecker by banning him as we should have and it was over for me. (yes I wanted one fn sentence lol) RFactor looks VERY promising and sounds like its close to release. Maybe when its out we can all get back on the same page. Right now simracing is a fragmented mess. Mitch "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > I'm running in a Friday Night Aero88 series in NASCOR... > > Season's half over but the racing is real good.

> > "ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >> I wonder if a show of hands from interested RAS'ers would help move this >> along. > /me waves -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:41:41 GMT, Mitch_A wrote: > RFactor looks VERY promising and sounds like its close to release. Maybe > when its out we can all get back on the same page. Right now simracing is a > fragmented mess. I beg to defer and would rather call this "diversity", which is good. Remember way back when everybody was moaning about no new sims coming out, proclaiming the imminent death of simracing as a genre? I'd rather have too much of a choice than none at all, and the simracing future looks brighter than ever. cheers, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Youre changing the subject midstream :) I agree in your statement of diversity in the numbers of titles. Youre right we have more of and better stuff than ever. What I was talking about specifically was the group concept in todays world of 5-6 very good titles. 20 people will never agree on anything ever despite a common interest. Mitch "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:41:41 GMT, Mitch_A wrote: >> RFactor looks VERY promising and sounds like its close to release. Maybe >> when its out we can all get back on the same page. Right now simracing is >> a >> fragmented mess. > > I beg to defer and would rather call this "diversity", which is > good. Remember way back when everybody was moaning about no new sims > coming out, proclaiming the imminent death of simracing as a genre? > > I'd rather have too much of a choice than none at all, and the > simracing future looks brighter than ever. > > cheers, uwe > > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Mitch_A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pSDxe.1909$[email hidden]... > My NR2003 days are *basically* over. > > I really like GTR but a large numbers of racers never materialized like I > thought/hoped they would which made me lose interest, at least taking it > as seriously as Id like. > Read Huttu's comments on GTR in autosim? Why would a "serious" simmer waste their time prepping for a league race only to have it all flushed down the shithouse by pitiful software bugs. Online racing can be frustrating enough with connection issues and poor driving from others without the added and uneccessary annoyance of faulty software. There are good points about GTR, but as an online racing platform it stinks like shit!

"Done" is not quite correct. It's in hiatis until a new Sim comes around. rFactor is the biggest contender right now. We're all still in touch, still have the web site, and still chat. The loss of Sierra was kinda what pushed it over the edge I think, though NR2003 was also showing too many cobwebs for some. -Larry

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>> No one is running in RASCAR. It's done. >> >> bluestringer >> >> >> > > Wow, how long has that been the case? What happened?

Thanks John. I might drop in every now and then, but I'm into other things that take up way too much practice time these days :) -Larry "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <mnuxe.135420$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... >> "John Simmons" wrote... >> >> > Wow, how long has that been the case? What happened? >> >> Surprised to hear that too. >> >> I went over to V8 Thunder in the interseason, sort of got stuck there and >> didn't follow events here... >> > > Well, if any of the old RASCAR or RRH guys are interested, we're running > some pretty good races at NASCOR. They have online and offline stuff, > and they're using cup, cts, bgn, and aero. >

I think rFactor is the one we're holding out for. Not enough have GTR. -Larry "ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V8xxe.176110$[email hidden]...

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> In article <mnuxe.135420$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > >> "John Simmons" wrote... > >> > > > >>> > Wow, how long has that been the case? What happened? > > > >> > >> Surprised to hear that too. > >> > >> I went over to V8 Thunder in the interseason, sort of got stuck > there and > >> didn't follow events here... > >> > > > Well, if any of the old RASCAR or RRH guys are interested, we're running > some pretty good races at NASCOR. They have online and offline stuff, > and they're using cup, cts, bgn, and aero. > > --------------------------- > > Maybe RASCAR should be reincarnated to GTRascar? Or perhaps Rfascar? > > There are ovals for GTR now. I have a GTR server running that can hold > 12 - 14. > -- > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > [URL=http://gtr.gplrank.info/viewLaptimesbyUserId?user_id=14884]GTRank[/URL] > > Member: > Screamers Racing League > oAo > AoA > MARA GTR > GT Rank +34.560 > NGT Rank +37.765 > GT Rank Monster +1163.777 > GPL Rank + 14.768 > MoGPL Rank + 308.654 > N2003 Rank -18.8060 > ---------------- > Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward > ----------------- > > <a href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&amp;id=0&amp;t=1">Get > Firefox!</a> > >