GPL and SMP Kicks Ass!

Two P2 333's overclocked to 500 TNT2 Ultra Overclocked to 160/200 7.52 Nvidia drivers GPL beta Open GL driver 327 mb ram FPS are maxed out at 36 at 1280x1024! Not bad for a PII 500 FPS are approx 32 at 1600x1200 Wow! Remember this is a PII and a TNT2 Ultra. I haven't compared FPS on my AMD 750 overclocked to 1090 Geforce DDR box. Looks like SMP works very well with GPL. Much better then N4 IMHO. My monitor maxes out at 1600x1200 and a 87 refresh so I can't try higher. I wish more game makers would thread their products for SMP. Looks like that will happen once the cheaper dual AMD system hit the streets this year. So far I'm very impressed with GPL and SMP!

Luckydaze <[email hidden]> wrote on 19 Feb 2001: <snip> >327 mb ram<snip> How do you manage that? -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +287.91) The GPL Scrapyard - http://scrapyard.netcabins.com Earn (not very much) cash with "Ciao!" reviews - http://uk.ciao.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Update: I still max out at 36 at 1280x1024 with TNT2 Ultra not overclocked and set at 150/183 but I re-overclocked it he he On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:08:02 -0500, Luckydaze <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Two P2 333's overclocked to 500 >TNT2 Ultra Overclocked to 160/200 >7.52 Nvidia drivers >GPL beta Open GL driver >327 mb ram > >FPS are maxed out at 36 at 1280x1024! Not bad for a PII 500 >FPS are approx 32 at 1600x1200 Wow! Remember this is a PII and a TNT2 >Ultra. I haven't compared FPS on my AMD 750 overclocked to 1090 >Geforce DDR box. Looks like SMP works very well with GPL. Much better >then N4 IMHO. My monitor maxes out at 1600x1200 and a 87 refresh so I >can't try higher. I wish more game makers would thread their products >for SMP. Looks like that will happen once the cheaper dual AMD system >hit the streets this year. So far I'm very impressed with GPL and SMP!

it would be even better if you were using the d3d patch rather than the outdated opengl beta. :))) Shane Luckydaze <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Update: I still max out at 36 at 1280x1024 with TNT2 Ultra not > overclocked and set at 150/183 but I re-overclocked it he he > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:08:02 -0500, Luckydaze > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Two P2 333's overclocked to 500 > >TNT2 Ultra Overclocked to 160/200 > >7.52 Nvidia drivers > >GPL beta Open GL driver > >327 mb ram > > > >FPS are maxed out at 36 at 1280x1024! Not bad for a PII 500 > >FPS are approx 32 at 1600x1200 Wow! Remember this is a PII and a TNT2 > >Ultra. I haven't compared FPS on my AMD 750 overclocked to 1090 > >Geforce DDR box. Looks like SMP works very well with GPL. Much better > >then N4 IMHO. My monitor maxes out at 1600x1200 and a 87 refresh so I > >can't try higher. I wish more game makers would thread their products > >for SMP. Looks like that will happen once the cheaper dual AMD system > >hit the streets this year. So far I'm very impressed with GPL and SMP! >

Is there a patch out that now has GPL using SMP ? What OS is this, Win2000 ? And I assume you meant 320 megs ? G Patricks

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>On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:08:02 -0500, Luckydaze <[email hidden]> wrote: >Two P2 333's overclocked to 500 >TNT2 Ultra Overclocked to 160/200 >7.52 Nvidia drivers >GPL beta Open GL driver >327 mb ram > >FPS are maxed out at 36 at 1280x1024! Not bad for a PII 500 >FPS are approx 32 at 1600x1200 Wow! Remember this is a PII and a TNT2 >Ultra. I haven't compared FPS on my AMD 750 overclocked to 1090 >Geforce DDR box. Looks like SMP works very well with GPL. Much better >then N4 IMHO. My monitor maxes out at 1600x1200 and a 87 refresh so I >can't try higher. I wish more game makers would thread their products >for SMP. Looks like that will happen once the cheaper dual AMD system >hit the streets this year. So far I'm very impressed with GPL and SMP!

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:51:50 GMT, G Patricks <[email hidden]> wrote: >Is there a patch out that now has GPL using SMP ? It always has been SMP ready. The developers have said the benefit was probably questionable, though. His post seems to refute this, though. Perhaps the multi-processing model is better in Win2000 or maybe a pair of CPUs running above 400+mhz makes it irrelevant. <g> Regards, Brett C. Cammack brettDOTcammack@worldnetDOTattDOTnet (remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

a 256mb stick and one 64. I know it should be 320 but it comes up 327 on the boot screen. On 19 Feb 2001 23:32:35 GMT, [email hidden] (David Buttery) wrote:

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>Luckydaze <[email hidden]> wrote on 19 Feb 2001: > ><snip> >>327 mb ram ><snip> > >How do you manage that?

Yes win 2k. and yes I meant 320 but boot screen gives me 327. I was told GPL and N4 both make use of SMP. If you notice your memory check, it's always more. I assume it gets coverted to mega bits On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:51:50 GMT, G Patricks <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Is there a patch out that now has GPL using SMP ? >What OS is this, Win2000 ? >And I assume you meant 320 megs ? > >G Patricks > >>On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:08:02 -0500, Luckydaze <[email hidden]> wrote: >>Two P2 333's overclocked to 500 >>TNT2 Ultra Overclocked to 160/200 >>7.52 Nvidia drivers >>GPL beta Open GL driver >>327 mb ram >> >>FPS are maxed out at 36 at 1280x1024! Not bad for a PII 500 >>FPS are approx 32 at 1600x1200 Wow! Remember this is a PII and a TNT2 >>Ultra. I haven't compared FPS on my AMD 750 overclocked to 1090 >>Geforce DDR box. Looks like SMP works very well with GPL. Much better >>then N4 IMHO. My monitor maxes out at 1600x1200 and a 87 refresh so I >>can't try higher. I wish more game makers would thread their products >>for SMP. Looks like that will happen once the cheaper dual AMD system >>hit the streets this year. So far I'm very impressed with GPL and SMP!

I was NEVER able to crank up the res like this when I only had one PII 333 overclocked to 500. Remember we're about about a TNT2 Ultra video card doing this also. I fail to see how it could be doing this on it's own.. On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 03:28:32 GMT, [email hidden] (Brett C. Cammack) wrote:

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>On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:51:50 GMT, G Patricks <[email hidden]> >wrote: >>Is there a patch out that now has GPL using SMP ? > >It always has been SMP ready. The developers have said the benefit >was probably questionable, though. His post seems to refute this, >though. Perhaps the multi-processing model is better in Win2000 or >maybe a pair of CPUs running above 400+mhz makes it irrelevant. <g> > >Regards, >Brett C. Cammack >brettDOTcammack@worldnetDOTattDOTnet >(remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

I tried the d3d patch and it sucks.. On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:55:16 +1100, "Shane Lowry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>it would be even better if you were using the d3d patch rather than the >outdated opengl beta. :))) > >Shane > >Luckydaze <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Update: I still max out at 36 at 1280x1024 with TNT2 Ultra not >> overclocked and set at 150/183 but I re-overclocked it he he >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:08:02 -0500, Luckydaze >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Two P2 333's overclocked to 500 >> >TNT2 Ultra Overclocked to 160/200 >> >7.52 Nvidia drivers >> >GPL beta Open GL driver >> >327 mb ram >> > >> >FPS are maxed out at 36 at 1280x1024! Not bad for a PII 500 >> >FPS are approx 32 at 1600x1200 Wow! Remember this is a PII and a TNT2 >> >Ultra. I haven't compared FPS on my AMD 750 overclocked to 1090 >> >Geforce DDR box. Looks like SMP works very well with GPL. Much better >> >then N4 IMHO. My monitor maxes out at 1600x1200 and a 87 refresh so I >> >can't try higher. I wish more game makers would thread their products >> >for SMP. Looks like that will happen once the cheaper dual AMD system >> >hit the streets this year. So far I'm very impressed with GPL and SMP! >> >

In article <[email hidden]>, Luckydaze wrote: >>And I assume you meant 320 megs ? > >Yes win 2k. and yes I meant 320 but boot screen gives me 327. I was >told GPL and N4 both make use of SMP. If you notice your memory check, >it's always more. I assume it gets coverted to mega bits Actually it's kilobytes - 327680KB = 320MB . -Jari Please remove SPAMLESS when replying. Thank you. -- {~._.~} o Jari Ketola - if.iki@alotek - ICQ 7557999 - +358-50-3080693 ( Y ) : The University of Oulu Department of Electrical Engineering ()~*~() : Game&Watch - DVD - B5 - PSX - TV - http://www.AfterDawn.com (_)-(_) . [ View my DVD Collection on-line at http://tazty.com/dvd ]

Are you sure you got it set up right? On my GF2, which is basically similar technology and uses the same drivers as TNT2, the d3d patch comfortably out-performs the opengl one. "Luckydaze" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I tried the d3d patch and it sucks..

I tried GPL using the D3D and OGL patch on a P2 333 with a TNT2, was absolutely horrible on both, a struggle to hit 30 fps in training with low graphics detail. The same machine with a V3 3000 would run at 800X600 with 19AI at 36fps (except for the 1st few hundred metres where it would drop to about 25 fps). Half way on the LOD slider with all graphics on except mirrors which were low and dynamic lighting & specular highlighting off. I'm sure the performance of a GEF2 would be far higher, but the TNT2 just won't cut it against a V3 IMO, even in D3D only games the V3 always seems better than the TNT2 ever did. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Simon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bxsk6.1707$[email hidden]... > Are you sure you got it set up right? On my GF2, which is basically similar > technology and uses the same drivers as TNT2, the d3d patch comfortably > out-performs the opengl one. > > "Luckydaze" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I tried the d3d patch and it sucks.. > > >

I'll try it again. I have both the Open GL and d3d patches installed. I tried the d3d first. But, doesn't GPL max out at 36 fps anyway? It seemed to me GPL in Open GL was more vibrant in color and sharpness. On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:28:07 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Are you sure you got it set up right? On my GF2, which is basically similar >technology and uses the same drivers as TNT2, the d3d patch comfortably >out-performs the opengl one. > >"Luckydaze" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I tried the d3d patch and it sucks.. > >

Thank you for that explanation On 20 Feb 2001 09:33:20 GMT, [email hidden] (Jari Ketola) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Luckydaze wrote: > >>>And I assume you meant 320 megs ? >> >>Yes win 2k. and yes I meant 320 but boot screen gives me 327. I was >>told GPL and N4 both make use of SMP. If you notice your memory check, >>it's always more. I assume it gets coverted to mega bits > >Actually it's kilobytes - 327680KB = 320MB . > > -Jari >Please remove SPAMLESS when replying. Thank you.

Pardon my ignorance, but can someone please explain what SMP is. Thanks in advance. C. Beaudouin

http://2cpu.com/FAQ/2cpusmpfaq.htm On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:07:25 -0800, YourEmailId <[email hidden]> wrote: >Pardon my ignorance, but can someone please explain what SMP is. Thanks >in advance. > >C. Beaudouin

Why don't you try to overclock that 333? I'm doing 500 on both. Plus, put the screws to that TNT2 also... Take it up a few notches. On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:28:04 -0000, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I tried GPL using the D3D and OGL patch on a P2 333 with a TNT2, was >absolutely horrible on both, a struggle to hit 30 fps in training with low >graphics detail. > The same machine with a V3 3000 would run at 800X600 with 19AI at 36fps >(except for the 1st few hundred metres where it would drop to about 25 fps). >Half way on the LOD slider with all graphics on except mirrors which were >low and dynamic lighting & specular highlighting off. >I'm sure the performance of a GEF2 would be far higher, but the TNT2 just >won't cut it against a V3 IMO, even in D3D only games the V3 always seems >better than the TNT2 ever did.

I just tried the d3d patch again. It stinks! I get 15 fps with it.... I'm sticking with the Open GL. I get the 36 max with no probs... On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:28:07 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Are you sure you got it set up right? On my GF2, which is basically similar >technology and uses the same drivers as TNT2, the d3d patch comfortably >out-performs the opengl one. > >"Luckydaze" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I tried the d3d patch and it sucks.. > >

Simple erally, both the P2 333 and TNT2 have been sent to the recycle bin, a celeron 466 (@525) and a V3 3000 AGP taking their place. The 333 would only run stable at 375, reasonably so at 411 with the occasional lockup, nothing more than that. This is now my backup PC, my main PC being an Athlon 750 with Voodoo 4. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Luckydaze <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Why don't you try to overclock that 333? I'm doing 500 on both. Plus, > put the screws to that TNT2 also... Take it up a few notches. > > > > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:28:04 -0000, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I tried GPL using the D3D and OGL patch on a P2 333 with a TNT2, was > >absolutely horrible on both, a struggle to hit 30 fps in training with low > >graphics detail.

Luckydaze <[email hidden]> wrote on 20 Feb 2001: > >a 256mb stick and one 64. I know it should be 320 but it comes up 327 >on the boot screen. Worekd it out: your boot screen is using 1000K = 1 meg, rather than 1024: (256 x 1024) + (64 x 1024) = 327,680. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +287.79) Earn (not very much) cash with "Ciao!" reviews - http://uk.ciao.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

Why don't you over that sucker then? I have a blue core 750 T-Bird overclocked to 109x10= 1090 on a Abit KT7 Raid. I'm also running raid mode 0. Burst rate is 85, seek 9.5 The AMD T-Bird's love to be overclocked! I connected the L1 bridges on my bird with rear window fogger repair kit paint [ very conductive] Or you can use a pencil but sometimes it wears off after a while. You can buy the stuff at Autozone. On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:45:15 -0000, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Simple erally, both the P2 333 and TNT2 have been sent to the recycle bin, a >celeron 466 (@525) and a V3 3000 AGP taking their place. The 333 would only >run stable at 375, reasonably so at 411 with the occasional lockup, nothing >more than that. >This is now my backup PC, my main PC being an Athlon 750 with Voodoo 4.

I have an Asus V6800 Geforce DDR on a 1.2 GHz Atlon. Direct 3d patch doesn't give me much of a change from my SMP'd 2 x Celeron 533 MHz with Voodoo3-3000. Where is the Open GL beta available from...? I'd like to contrast with the D3d patch. Cheers, Andy Luckydaze wrote:

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> > http://2cpu.com/FAQ/2cpusmpfaq.htm > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:07:25 -0800, YourEmailId <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Pardon my ignorance, but can someone please explain what SMP is. Thanks > >in advance. > > > >C. Beaudouin

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scroll down http://www.papy.com/gpl/gpl.download.index.html On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:18:54 +0000, Andy Straw <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I have an Asus V6800 Geforce DDR on a 1.2 GHz Atlon. Direct 3d patch >doesn't give me much of a change from my SMP'd 2 x Celeron 533 MHz with >Voodoo3-3000. Where is the Open GL beta available from...? I'd like to >contrast with the D3d patch. > >Cheers, > >Andy > >Luckydaze wrote: >> >> http://2cpu.com/FAQ/2cpusmpfaq.htm >> >> On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:07:25 -0800, YourEmailId <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >Pardon my ignorance, but can someone please explain what SMP is. Thanks >> >in advance. >> > >> >C. Beaudouin > >-- >Andy

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> Two P2 333's overclocked to 500 > TNT2 Ultra Overclocked to 160/200 > 7.52 Nvidia drivers > GPL beta Open GL driver > 327 mb ram > > FPS are maxed out at 36 at 1280x1024! Not bad for a PII 500 > FPS are approx 32 at 1600x1200 Wow! Remember this is a PII and a TNT2 > Ultra. I haven't compared FPS on my AMD 750 overclocked to 1090 > Geforce DDR box. Looks like SMP works very well with GPL. Much better > then N4 IMHO. My monitor maxes out at 1600x1200 and a 87 refresh so I > can't try higher. I wish more game makers would thread their products > for SMP. Looks like that will happen once the cheaper dual AMD system > hit the streets this year. So far I'm very impressed with GPL and SMP! >

May I ask, when is this frame rate taken? (practice, race, alone, etc) My dream is to one day (before the end of the year :) ) be able to MAX the graphics at a res of at least 1024 X 768, start a race at the back of a 19 car pack, at Monaco (graphic hog of GPL(? or Spa?)) and never ever see the FR drop off of 36. Hopefully a 2GHZ machine will do this. MRSisson -- LOAD "GPL",8,1 RUN

On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:52:00 -0500, Luckydaze <[email hidden]> wrote: >I was NEVER able to crank up the res like this when I only had one PII >333 overclocked to 500. Remember we're about about a TNT2 Ultra video >card doing this also. I fail to see how it could be doing this on it's >own.. I think you mistake me. The developer referenced the contention for data access to the shared memory space as being the bottleneck that diminished the benefit of SMP and multi-processors. That's what I was referring to about having a pair of CPUs running faster than 400+ Mhz rendering irrelevant. Maybe the bottleneck is rendered moot at that speed. Strictly making a conjecture there... Regards, Brett C. Cammack brettDOTcammack@worldnetDOTattDOTnet (remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

Dell Dimension 4100, 1GHz, 256MB, GeForce 2 32MB, every single option on, detail slider all the way on, at 1600*1280, full 36 at back of 19 AI race at Monaco. SLG Michael R Sisson <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, luckydaze@the- >beach.net says... >> Two P2 333's overclocked to 500 >> TNT2 Ultra Overclocked to 160/200 >> 7.52 Nvidia drivers >> GPL beta Open GL driver >> 327 mb ram >> >> FPS are maxed out at 36 at 1280x1024! Not bad for a PII 500 >> FPS are approx 32 at 1600x1200 Wow! Remember this is a PII and a TNT2 >> Ultra. I haven't compared FPS on my AMD 750 overclocked to 1090 >> Geforce DDR box. Looks like SMP works very well with GPL. Much better >> then N4 IMHO. My monitor maxes out at 1600x1200 and a 87 refresh so I >> can't try higher. I wish more game makers would thread their products >> for SMP. Looks like that will happen once the cheaper dual AMD system >> hit the streets this year. So far I'm very impressed with GPL and SMP! >> > >May I ask, when is this frame rate taken? (practice, race, alone, etc) > >My dream is to one day (before the end of the year :) ) be able to MAX >the graphics at a res of at least 1024 X 768, start a race at the back of >a 19 car pack, at Monaco (graphic hog of GPL(? or Spa?)) and never ever >see the FR drop off of 36. > >Hopefully a 2GHZ machine will do this. > >MRSisson > >-- >LOAD "GPL",8,1 >RUN

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Ok then. I'm going to take your post I printed out and put on my wall and stop throwing darts at it. The voodoo chanting will stop tonight too. If you almost get killed this week or had trouble breathing, I'm sorry... On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:35:37 GMT, [email hidden] (Brett C. Cammack) wrote:

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>On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:52:00 -0500, Luckydaze ><[email hidden]> wrote: >>I was NEVER able to crank up the res like this when I only had one PII >>333 overclocked to 500. Remember we're about about a TNT2 Ultra video >>card doing this also. I fail to see how it could be doing this on it's >>own.. > >I think you mistake me. The developer referenced the contention for >data access to the shared memory space as being the bottleneck that >diminished the benefit of SMP and multi-processors. That's what I was >referring to about having a pair of CPUs running faster than 400+ Mhz >rendering irrelevant. Maybe the bottleneck is rendered moot at that >speed. Strictly making a conjecture there... > >Regards, >Brett C. Cammack >brettDOTcammack@worldnetDOTattDOTnet >(remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)