OT: Crouching Tiger...amazing

Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. I'm still going ....whoa! The Matrix looks limp and lifeless compared to CTHD. If you are prone to motion sickness tho...avoid this one. -- dave henrie Free the ICR2 source code!

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> Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. > I'm still going ....whoa! The Matrix looks limp and lifeless > compared to CTHD. If you are prone to motion sickness > tho...avoid this one. > > -- > dave henrie > Free the ICR2 source code! > >

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 06:44:21 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. >I'm still going ....whoa! The Matrix looks limp and lifeless >compared to CTHD. If you are prone to motion sickness >tho...avoid this one. I saw it a couple of times, it's indeed one of the best movies I ever saw! Especially the fighting in the forest scene.. the music, the filming, it's just perfect.. I believe the guy who did the fighting scenes was the same who did them for the Matrix by the way. Andre > >-- >dave henrie >Free the ICR2 source code! >

>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote > I believe the guy who did the fighting scenes was the same who did > them for the Matrix by the way. Absolutely not. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

In article <yMvk6.14242$[email hidden]>, ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote: >>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote >> I believe the guy who did the fighting scenes was the same who did >> them for the Matrix by the way. > >Absolutely not. Absolutely yes. His name is Woo-ping Yuen and he was the kung fu choreographer for The Matrix and the fight choreographer for Crouching Tiger amoung many other films. Look him up on the IMDB. -- | "Instead of letting the moon be the Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our [email hidden] | history." - Andrew Chaikin

**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** I haven't seen it yet, but from the commercials it's an obvious Matrix rip-off. As always, I'll wait for the DVD. I don't do movie Theaters any more :) Thanks for the tip! -Larry "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9nok6.446224$[email hidden]...

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> Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. > I'm still going ....whoa! The Matrix looks limp and lifeless > compared to CTHD. If you are prone to motion sickness > tho...avoid this one. > > -- > dave henrie > Free the ICR2 source code! >

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I'm curious about this film, only because I'm not a big fan of Kung Fu or "Fight" movies. However, , it _is_ nominated for Best Picture. So, I figure that there's got to be more to it than special effects and cinematography, but that's all they play up on the TV commercials. If so, what more does this movie have? Can you give a short description/review? I'm thinking of going to see it, but don't want to waste my money on simply a good looking martial arts flick. Thanks. Dave Henrie wrote:

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> Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. > I'm still going ....whoa! The Matrix looks limp and lifeless > compared to CTHD. If you are prone to motion sickness > tho...avoid this one. > > -- > dave henrie > Free the ICR2 source code!

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It's a typical Oscar type winning show that doesn't pull it's weight in the theatre. It had promise, but reading subtitles for 2 hours doesn't allow you to enjoy the movie. It's more like reading a book. If your sensitive to losing your comb, then see this film for sure! Your girl-friend will love it -- maybe that says it all :) Jason. BRH wrote:

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> > I'm curious about this film, only because I'm not a big fan of Kung Fu > or "Fight" movies. However, , it _is_ nominated for Best Picture. So, > I figure that there's got to be more to it than special effects and > cinematography, but that's all they play up on the TV commercials. If > so, what more does this movie have? > > Can you give a short description/review? I'm thinking of going to see > it, but don't want to waste my money on simply a good looking martial > arts flick. > > Thanks. > > Dave Henrie wrote: > > > Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. > > I'm still going ....whoa! The Matrix looks limp and lifeless > > compared to CTHD. If you are prone to motion sickness > > tho...avoid this one. > > > > -- > > dave henrie > > Free the ICR2 source code! > > -- > Bert

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Matrix Rip Off? LOL That is like saying that The Matrix is a Tron rip off "Dog-Leg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > > I haven't seen it yet, but from the commercials it's an obvious Matrix > rip-off. > > As always, I'll wait for the DVD. I don't do movie Theaters any more :) > > Thanks for the tip! > > -Larry > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:9nok6.446224$[email hidden]... > > Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. > > I'm still going ....whoa! The Matrix looks limp and lifeless > > compared to CTHD. If you are prone to motion sickness > > tho...avoid this one. > > > > -- > > dave henrie > > Free the ICR2 source code! > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** > http://www.usenet.com > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

To you reading sub-titles is what turns you off from a movie? Did they go too fast for you? After 5 or 10 minutes, I did not even realize I was reading them anymore.. it just came automatically. My wife and I went to watch the VCD again the other night and it actually surprised me when the subtitles came on. I had completely forgot the movie had them. This movie is just a great story all the way around. There is romance, action, drama.. and I do not think I have ever seen fight sequences that just drew you in to them like these do.. Ever read the Dark Elf Series by RA Salvatore with Drizzt? The way the books have you imagining how he fights with his dual scimitars? This is that on film. Now I hope that Lord of the Rings is as good as I am hoping. "Jason Monds" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It's a typical Oscar type winning show that doesn't pull it's weight in > the theatre. It had promise, but reading subtitles for 2 hours doesn't > allow you to enjoy the movie. It's more like reading a book. > > If your sensitive to losing your comb, then see this film for sure! > > Your girl-friend will love it -- maybe that says it all :) > > Jason. > > BRH wrote: > > > > I'm curious about this film, only because I'm not a big fan of Kung Fu > > or "Fight" movies. However, , it _is_ nominated for Best Picture. So, > > I figure that there's got to be more to it than special effects and > > cinematography, but that's all they play up on the TV commercials. If > > so, what more does this movie have? > > > > Can you give a short description/review? I'm thinking of going to see > > it, but don't want to waste my money on simply a good looking martial > > arts flick. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Dave Henrie wrote: > > > > > Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. > > > I'm still going ....whoa! The Matrix looks limp and lifeless > > > compared to CTHD. If you are prone to motion sickness > > > tho...avoid this one. > > > > > > -- > > > dave henrie > > > Free the ICR2 source code! > > > > -- > > Bert > > -- > Jason Monds > http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N3, GPL, Fun Run Sims) > http://www.racersdomain.com - Race hosting. > (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

Hi Cliff, Cliff Roman wrote: > > To you reading sub-titles is what turns you off from a movie? Did they go > too fast for you? It's just that you have to "move" your eyes to read the lines, then "move" them back up to watch the emotion in the actors eyes. It doesn't allow you to just watch, and enjoy the movie. This may sound lame, maybe I don't read as fast as you. I remember reading stories in high-school and could only get 30 pages done a night when others did 100. I kept reading and re-reading sections just to make sure I understood everything. > This movie is just a great story all the way around. There is romance, > action, drama.. and I do not think I have ever seen fight sequences that > just drew you in to them like these do.. The fighting sequences were good, but some of the story was lame. Why would the girl take on bandits just for a comb? I would understand if it was a comb passed down by generations. Even then, why is she playing with it? The story just didn't seem to fit right in some places. It's probably the culture. -- Jason Monds http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N3, GPL, Fun Run Sims) http://www.racersdomain.com - Race hosting. (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

I can see what you mean about the reading. I tend to think of myself as a good reader. I read alot of books. However, my wife can read 2x as fast as I do. She reads as fast a speedreader even though she does not actually speed read (speedreaders tend to skip words and only pick out the important ones.. she reads them all but is still damn fast) So I can see how different people may have different problems with the sub-titles. Another thing that may work in my favor is that my wife has a loss of hearing so alot of times when we watch movies, we will turn subtitles on. I guess I am just used to them. "Jason Monds" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hi Cliff, > > Cliff Roman wrote: > > > > To you reading sub-titles is what turns you off from a movie? Did theygo

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> > too fast for you? > > It's just that you have to "move" your eyes to read the lines, then > "move" them back up to watch the emotion in the actors eyes. It doesn't > allow you to just watch, and enjoy the movie. > > This may sound lame, maybe I don't read as fast as you. I remember > reading stories in high-school and could only get 30 pages done a night > when others did 100. I kept reading and re-reading sections just to > make sure I understood everything. > > > This movie is just a great story all the way around. There is romance, > > action, drama.. and I do not think I have ever seen fight sequences that > > just drew you in to them like these do.. > > The fighting sequences were good, but some of the story was lame. Why > would the girl take on bandits just for a comb? I would understand if > it was a comb passed down by generations. Even then, why is she playing > with it? The story just didn't seem to fit right in some places. It's > probably the culture. > > -- > Jason Monds > http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N3, GPL, Fun Run Sims) > http://www.racersdomain.com - Race hosting. > (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

Dog-Leg wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > >I haven't seen it yet, but from the commercials it's an obvious Matrix >rip-off. > ??? The fighting in crouching tiger is much more impressive. And crouching tiger only had a budget of $12,5 million. It was the matrix that ripped off asian fighting movies in the first place btw.

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>It's a typical Oscar type winning show that doesn't pull it's weight in >the theatre. It had promise, but reading subtitles for 2 hours doesn't >allow you to enjoy the movie. It's more like reading a book. > >If your sensitive to losing your comb, then see this film for sure! > >Your girl-friend will love it -- maybe that says it all :) > >Jason.

All movies are subtitled in the netherlands. We don't seem to have a problem with it. Why should you? It takes a little getting used to but it's better than watching a movie in the wrong language. Sjoerd

How does it compare with Gladiator , my fav of 2000? Andrew Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9nok6.446224$[email hidden]...

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> Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. > I'm still going ....whoa! The Matrix looks limp and lifeless > compared to CTHD. If you are prone to motion sickness > tho...avoid this one. > > -- > dave henrie > Free the ICR2 source code! >

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:39:33 +0100, "Sjoerd de Roest" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >All movies are subtitled in the netherlands. > >We don't seem to have a problem with it. Why should you? It takes a little >getting used to but it's better than watching a movie in the wrong language. > >Sjoerd Yea, dubbed movies are the worst. If one is not willing to put up with subtitles then you are going to miss out on a lot of good movies of the type that are rarely made in Hollywood. -- Jagg

>"Dog-Leg" <[email hidden]> wrote > I haven't seen it yet, but from the commercials it's an obvious Matrix > rip-off. Uhhh, no. Gee the MTV generation going "whoa it's so like the Matrix". Another time, the Matrix is a PALE movie compared to every Asian martial art movie. It's one of the worst movie of 1999. CTHD is an art movie inspired by WUXIA serials. Matrix = poor American movie. CTHD = one of the best martial art movie ever. Cmon there ain't no Keanu bad-acting going "whoa". -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

>"A Thomas" <[email hidden]> wrote > How does it compare with Gladiator , my fav of 2000? eeeech. If your favorite movie of 2000 is Gladiator, you'll find CTHD much, much better. Of course it's not a mainstream movie, perhaps your knowledge is limited to that type of movies only (please don't tell me you like Armageddon <G>). -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"Jason Monds" <[email hidden]> wrote > It had promise, but reading subtitles for 2 hours doesn't > allow you to enjoy the movie. It's more like reading a book. Wow it has SUBTITLES. It's so tough to keep your concentration more then 5minutes. Damn the American MTV generation is dumb... -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

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> only had a budget of $12,5 million. > > It was the matrix that ripped off asian fighting movies in the first place > btw. > > > > >

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On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:39:44 -0000, "A Thomas" <[email hidden]> wrote: >How does it compare with Gladiator , my fav of 2000? Besides having a beginning, a middle and an end they really don't have much in common.. Andre

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> >Andrew > >Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:9nok6.446224$[email hidden]... >> Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. >> I'm still going ....whoa! The Matrix looks limp and lifeless >> compared to CTHD. If you are prone to motion sickness >> tho...avoid this one. >> >> -- >> dave henrie >> Free the ICR2 source code! >> >

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:19:53 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >eeeech. If your favorite movie of 2000 is Gladiator, you'll find CTHD much, >much better. Of course it's not a mainstream movie, perhaps your knowledge >is limited to that type of movies only (please don't tell me you like >Armageddon <G>). How is Armeggedon like Gladiator? Does CTHD have music by Lisa Gerard? Bet you don't even know anything about Lisa Gerard's background in music. Go buy some Dead Can Dance circa 1986 to find out. Does it have the great cinematography of Gladiator? Does it have acting equal to Joaquin Phoenix's performance? Gladiator is an epic story of taking a stand against tyranny. It's not just an action gladiator flick as some of you seem to see it as. I'm sure CTHD is good, but that doesn't mean it is better than Gladiator. Personally, I hate martial arts movies, but may see CTHD for the other bits. Each to their own. -- Jagg

Thank gawd I'm Canadian :) I hated the movie. I hated Blair Witch (also raved about). I loved the Matrix. At least we all like racing. Now can we get back to the important topics? Jason. ymenard wrote:

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> > "Jason Monds" <[email hidden]> wrote > > It had promise, but reading subtitles for 2 hours doesn't > > allow you to enjoy the movie. It's more like reading a book. > > Wow it has SUBTITLES. It's so tough to keep your concentration more then > 5minutes. > > Damn the American MTV generation is dumb... > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

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I took my wife to see it and she's not a Kung Foo or Fight movie fan, but she loved it. Yes there is a lot more to it than fighting and special effects but it's one of those movies that knowing the story line beforehand would lessen its impact.. On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:00:02 -0500, BRH <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I'm curious about this film, only because I'm not a big fan of Kung Fu >or "Fight" movies. However, , it _is_ nominated for Best Picture. So, >I figure that there's got to be more to it than special effects and >cinematography, but that's all they play up on the TV commercials. If >so, what more does this movie have? > >Can you give a short description/review? I'm thinking of going to see >it, but don't want to waste my money on simply a good looking martial >arts flick. > >Thanks. > > > >-- >Bert > > >

Frank, you are forgetting that people like movies for different reasons. To me, people that like Gladiator for the action, probably did like Armageddon. I loved Armageddon and it is one of my favorite DVDs.. why? Not because of the story, but because there are points in the movie that it is just non stop, heart pumping action. Gladiator was the same way, only they actually added a good story to the movie with much better acting than what was in Armageddon. I love CTHD for many things.. I liked the story, the acting and the great fight scenes. Maybe you are close minded when it comes to movies and unless it fits a certain "template" for you, they are no good. Personally, I look for different things in movies and it does not have to be a Award winner to just be fun to watch. Sometimes just being fun to watch makes it a good movie. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ZbBk6.14252$[email hidden]... > >"A Thomas" <[email hidden]> wrote > > How does it compare with Gladiator , my fav of 2000? > > eeeech. If your favorite movie of 2000 is Gladiator, you'll find CTHDmuch, > much better. Of course it's not a mainstream movie, perhaps yourknowledge

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> is limited to that type of movies only (please don't tell me you like > Armageddon <G>). > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

???? How do you figure this. The chinese were making movies like this long before the Matrix was even thought about. With Hollywood it's usualy the other way around. They've mastered the art of ripping off foreign films and pretending that they thought of it. Sometimes they don't even bother changing the title they just translate it to english. On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:33:39 -0500, "Dog-Leg" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > >I haven't seen it yet, but from the commercials it's an obvious Matrix >rip-off. > >As always, I'll wait for the DVD. I don't do movie Theaters any more :) > >Thanks for the tip! > >-Larry > >"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:9nok6.446224$[email hidden]... >> Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. >> I'm still going ....whoa! The Matrix looks limp and lifeless >> compared to CTHD. If you are prone to motion sickness >> tho...avoid this one. >> >> -- >> dave henrie >> Free the ICR2 source code! >> > > > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** > http://www.usenet.com >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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> **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > > I haven't seen it yet, but from the commercials it's an obvious Matrix > rip-off. > > As always, I'll wait for the DVD. I don't do movie Theaters any more :) >

Wait a second, there are some movies that DVD won't (due to the maximum screen size) do justice. Gettysburg, Titanic, Star Wars, Ben Hur (no, *I* haven't seen this one on big screen, but my parents tell me about it all the time), The Ten Commandments (likewise)... Just to name a few. Others, big screen, small screen (medium if you've got one of the oversized ones) - what's the difference?

>"Jason Monds" <[email hidden]> wrote > Thank gawd I'm Canadian :) Bah your just an American who denies his roots ;-P > I hated the movie. I hated Blair Witch (also raved about). I loved the > Matrix. At least we all like racing. Now can we get back to theimportant > topics? Okay, let's bring the subject back to racing. Anybody saw the new trailer for DRIVEN during the Daytona500? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

>"Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote > How is Armeggedon like Gladiator? Does CTHD have music by Lisa Gerard? > Bet you don't even know anything about Lisa Gerard's background in > music. Uhhh, yes I know much about her. I'm a soundtrack freak. God is Miklos Rozsa. The Devil is James Horner (ha!). > Does it have the great cinematography of Gladiator? What the? Gladiator has poor cinematography. Corny choice of angles, bland colors, saturated contrast in the same scene (most of the outside shots of the arena at Rome compared to the low ground), etc... Even Ridley told he did not feel it was his best work of cinematography in VXPRO. > Does it have acting equal to Joaquin Phoenix's performance? Fake british accent equals no acting. Now go rent Spartacus and watch real performances. > Gladiator is an epic story of taking a stand against tyranny It's also a dumb revenge script full of clich�. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

>"Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote > Does CTHD have music by Lisa Gerard? Anyway give me Yo-Yo Ma anyday over James Horner's pale copy of Holst's The Planets. But we all know in the movie music industry that Horner is just a hack. Just for example, his latest movie score (Enemy at the Gate) copies John William's Schindler's List Theme almost note for note. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

>"Dog-Leg" <[email hidden]> wrote > I'm not talking about the fighting. I'm talking about the effects style. > > Not many movies allow you to walk on thin air :) Any WUXIA-based movie will have such fantasy Larry. Do a websearch on Wuxia, you'll be quite surprised. Perhaps not many American movies allow that, but around the world, in Asia Wuxia has been in tons and tons of movies. The Matrix was a pale copy of those. Now the American MTV generation thinks it's a great step in motion picture, like it was the first one ever do have "people flying in the air" (to paraphrase them). -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:33:39 -0500, "Dog-Leg" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I haven't seen it yet, but from the commercials it's an obvious Matrix >rip-off. 'an obvious Matrix rip-off' Is your knowledge of cinematic history limited to the last five years? Do you read Greek mythology and Arthurian legends and think, 'Man, they're ripping Lucas and Spielberg off!'? Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!

I'm tempted to quote the Grandfather from 'The Princess Bride' but I'll paraphrase: It has heroes, villians, romance, action, treachery, passion, comedy and great sadness....few movies have such scope of a simple tale about a sword and those who use it. the actors all speak chinese and that can be odd, but the subtitles seemed to me to fit very well. They didn't detract from the quiet scenes with Michelle Yeoh and Cho Jun Fat, nor did they get in the way when the Govenor's daughter was kicking ass and taking names in the bar. I'm changing my racing team from TEAM SMO(slow moving objects) to Team Green Destiny.... Anyone want to paint an Intrepid for me with a sword running down the side? dave henrie "BRH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I'm curious about this film, only because I'm not a big fan of Kung Fu > or "Fight" movies. However, , it _is_ nominated for Best Picture. So, > I figure that there's got to be more to it than special effects and > cinematography, but that's all they play up on the TV commercials. If > so, what more does this movie have? > > Can you give a short description/review? I'm thinking of going to see > it, but don't want to waste my money on simply a good looking martial > arts flick. > > Thanks. > > > > Dave Henrie wrote: > > > Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. > > I'm still going ....whoa! The Matrix looks limp and lifeless > > compared to CTHD. If you are prone to motion sickness > > tho...avoid this one. > > > > -- > > dave henrie > > Free the ICR2 source code! > > -- > Bert > > >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. >I'm still going ....whoa! I agree. If there's any justice, it's a shoe-in for the best movie Academy award - none of the other nominates are even in the same league. But notice that I said IF there's any justice. ;-) Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

BRH <[email hidden]> wrote: >If >so, what more does this movie have? Character, life, action, story, acting. Quality. All those things none of the other best picture candidates have. It's been described as "martial arts meets kung fu", which is kind of apt. It's not a typical martial arts film at all. I think you'd love it. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9nok6.446224$[email hidden]... > Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. > I'm still going ....whoa! The Matrix looks limp and lifeless > compared to CTHD. If you are prone to motion sickness > tho...avoid this one. > Reminded me strongly of those old, badly dubbed 'films' I used to see on sunday afternoon on a uhf channel in a block called 'Samurai Sunday'. Was silly then, is still silly now.

>I'm curious about this film, only because I'm not a big fan of Kung Fu >or "Fight" movies. However, , it _is_ nominated for Best Picture. So, >I figure that there's got to be more to it than special effects and >cinematography, but that's all they play up on the TV commercials. If >so, what more does this movie have? Everything. Honestly, everything. People of every type of tastes in films or flicks that I talk to love it. >Can you give a short description/review? I'm thinking of going to see >it, but don't want to waste my money on simply a good looking martial >arts flick. Just trust what you hear. Really. And perhaps go early enough to catch it twice in a row. The fight scenes and scenery are good, true, but the acting, music, plot, story are wonderful. I'll mention acting again, as I think it a true tragedy that this movie did not get at least 3 acting nominations from the academy. -Tim

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>It's a typical Oscar type winning show that doesn't pull it's weight in >the theatre. It had promise, but reading subtitles for 2 hours doesn't >allow you to enjoy the movie. It's more like reading a book. > >If your sensitive to losing your comb, then see this film for sure! > >Your girl-friend will love it -- maybe that says it all :)

Wow. You are a crude one. Pretty hopeless. Stick with Paulie Shore flicks, OK? -Tim

>The fighting sequences were good, but some of the story was lame. Why >would the girl take on bandits just for a comb? I would understand if >it was a comb passed down by generations. Even then, why is she playing >with it? The story just didn't seem to fit right in some places. It's >probably the culture. No. It's you. Really. -Tim

>All movies are subtitled in the netherlands. > >We don't seem to have a problem with it. Why should you? It takes a little >getting used to but it's better than watching a movie in the wrong language. Forgive the ignorant American giving the rest of us a bad name. He, like so many others, refuses to see why the whole world can't just get around to learning English. -Tim

>Character, life, action, story, acting. Quality. All those things none >of the other best picture candidates have. Hmmmm. Haven't seen Chocolate, so won't comment. I thought Traffic has some going for it, especially in political realm. And Gladiator certainly has all of the above, though it pales in all areas to Tiger/Dragon. And that last sentance will have to say it all. I rated Gladiator 4 stars (out of 4--I'm loath to give most movies more than 3). I was convinced after seeing it that it would be the one to beat for the Oscars. Tiger/Dragon blows it away in every category. -Tim

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 02:23:35 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>What the? Gladiator has poor cinematography. Corny choice of angles, > bland >colors, >saturated contrast in the same scene (most of the outside shots of >the arena at Rome compared to the low ground), > etc... Even Ridley told he >did not feel it was his best work of cinematography in VXPRO. > >> Does it have acting equal to Joaquin Phoenix's performance? > >Fake british accent equals no acting. Now go rent Spartacus and watch real >performances. >> Gladiator is an epic story of taking a stand against tyranny > >It's also a dumb revenge script full of clich�.

Whatever. I guess that's why it was nominated for 12 academy awards including Phoenix for best supporting actor. What you call bland colours, I call muted, high contrast was very effective. You sure that wasn't infrared cinematogrphy you are talking about? Just take a look at Decline of the American Empire for crappy cinematography. That should shut you up. That movie was nothing more than a geriatric version of the Big Chill.Talk about a cliche'. Spartacus for real performances? Hehe...it was a great epic film, but don't try and BS me with great acting. Kirk Douglas was one of the most stereotypical actors of his day. Right up there with John Wayne. Although he did do a few good things. -- Jagg

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 02:26:19 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Anyway give me Yo-Yo Ma anyday over James Horner's pale copy of Holst's The >Planets. But we all know in the movie music industry that Horner is just a >hack. Just for example, his latest movie score (Enemy at the Gate) copies >John William's Schindler's List Theme almost note for note. I was talking about the singing by Lisa Gerard. You do have some Dead Can Dance in your collection right? -- Jagg

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:09:18 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote >> I believe the guy who did the fighting scenes was the same who did >> them for the Matrix by the way. > >Absolutely not. Me wrong? Nah, can't be.. Andre

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On 20 Feb 2001 15:25:38 GMT, [email hidden] (Bill Mette) wrote:

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>In article <yMvk6.14242$[email hidden]>, >ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote: >>>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote >>> I believe the guy who did the fighting scenes was the same who did >>> them for the Matrix by the way. >> >>Absolutely not. > >Absolutely yes. His name is Woo-ping Yuen and he was the kung fu >choreographer for The Matrix and the fight choreographer for Crouching >Tiger amoung many other films. Look him up on the IMDB.

Told ya :) Man, CTHD is now at number 7 of the 'best 250 movies' list at IMDB.. Andre > >-- > | "Instead of letting the moon be the >Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let >Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our >[email hidden] | history." - Andrew Chaikin

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:00:02 -0500, BRH <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I'm curious about this film, only because I'm not a big fan of Kung Fu >or "Fight" movies. However, , it _is_ nominated for Best Picture. So, >I figure that there's got to be more to it than special effects and >cinematography, but that's all they play up on the TV commercials. If >so, what more does this movie have? > >Can you give a short description/review? I'm thinking of going to see >it, but don't want to waste my money on simply a good looking martial >arts flick.

Go here http://us.imdb.com/Title?0190332 and select 'more' after user comments. This is a superb site for reviewing movies. Andre

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>Thanks. > > > >Dave Henrie wrote: > >> Just got back from watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. >> I'm still going ....whoa! The Matrix looks limp and lifeless >> compared to CTHD. If you are prone to motion sickness >> tho...avoid this one. >> >> -- >> dave henrie >> Free the ICR2 source code! > >-- >Bert > > >

**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** Ok, I guess the ability to walk in thin air and kick at a rate that surpasses a mini-gun is pretty much universal these days :) I never said I didn't find it entertaining, though :) The Matrix and The 5th Element are my favorite 'background' movies. -Larry "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:96uamd$1hqo$[email hidden]... > Matrix Rip Off? LOL > > That is like saying that The Matrix is a Tron rip off > > > "Dog-Leg" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:33:39 -0500, "Dog-Leg" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I haven't seen it yet, but from the commercials it's an obvious Matrix > >rip-off. > > 'an obvious Matrix rip-off' > > Is your knowledge of cinematic history limited to the last > five years? Do you read Greek mythology and Arthurian legends and > think, 'Man, they're ripping Lucas and Spielberg off!'? > > Martin > Long Live Nigel Mansell! > >

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In article <96ub0d$1kc0$[email hidden]>, "Cliff Roman" <[email hidden]> writes: >To you reading sub-titles is what turns you off from a movie? Did they go >too fast for you? After 5 or 10 minutes, I did not even realize I was >reading them anymore.. it just came automatically. My wife and I went to >watch the VCD again the other night and it actually surprised me when the >subtitles came on. I had completely forgot the movie had them. I saw "Das Boot" with subtitles. It didn't take a THING away from the movie - I *still* thought it was great... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in . > > I saw "Das Boot" with subtitles. It didn't take a THING away from themovie - > I *still* thought it was great... > > Eldred That was that great movie about one lap around the Full Watkins Glen right?????????????? dave henrie

[email hidden] (Joe62) wrote: >It's been described as "martial arts meets kung fu" Duh. The quote is supposed to be "martial arts meets Star Wars". Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

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>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in . >> >> I saw "Das Boot" with subtitles. It didn't take a THING away from the >movie - > I *still* thought it was great... >> >> Eldred > That was that great movie about one lap around the Full Watkins Glen >right?????????????? >dave henrie

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EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <96ub0d$1kc0$[email hidden]>, "Cliff Roman" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >To you reading sub-titles is what turns you off from a movie? Did theygo > >too fast for you? After 5 or 10 minutes, I did not even realize I was > >reading them anymore.. it just came automatically. My wife and I went to > >watch the VCD again the other night and it actually surprised me when the > >subtitles came on. I had completely forgot the movie had them. > > I saw "Das Boot" with subtitles. It didn't take a THING away from themovie - > I *still* thought it was great... >Das Boot is one of the finest war films ever made . I've seen it more times than I can remember . The first time I watched it I found it so engrossing that I sided with the Germans against the British at the harbour scene at the end Andrew

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 02:26:19 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>>"Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Does CTHD have music by Lisa Gerard? > > >Anyway give me Yo-Yo Ma anyday over James Horner's pale copy of Holst's The >Planets. But we all know in the movie music industry that Horner is just a >hack.

<way off-topic nitpick mode: on> It was Hans Zimmer, not James Horner that collaborated with Lisa Gerrard on the Gladiator score. And I still find it an exceptionally good soundtrack (mostly due to Gerrard) regardless of Zimmer's borrowing from Holst's "Mars." During last week's 500, a commercial for the upcoming Rockingham race aired. The commercial was set to the battle waltzes from the Gladiator soundtrack, and it was eerily appropriate. The pair should get the Oscar nod this year. If there's any justice, Tan Dun and Yo-Yo Ma should get it too for CTHD. (There's never been a TIE for Best Score before) Almost all movie orchestral soundtracks are derivative from classical music. That's unavoidable. If the composers are classically trained, they routinely borrow from their classical roots. Calling it theft or calling them hacks is a little unfounded. Hell, even a master like John Williams created the Star Wars theme from "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star". He even borrowed from your hero, Miklos Rosza when he scored Phantom Menace. Once you realize that soundtrack music can't help but be derivative, I find you enjoy them more. <way off-topic nitpick mode: off>