It's probably good for Earnhardt

Ok, don't get mad at me just yet....read this before As far as I could see this guy was a sort of American Senna. So he was "rough" (not to say hard or unfair) in races, he was living for racing and he couldn't stop (49 is an age where you normally don't do this anymore...) Do you think, that FOR HIM, the future was looking that good, getting old, stop racing, eventually becoming a TV host to talk about OTHERS racing while the only thing you want is to be there, pushing the others and getting pushed by them ? Of course you can always say that for his family and all this it is terrible, as it is for every family to lose someone, but for HIM ? Of course we didn't choose to die and he didn't WANT to but if you look in perspective it's probably what he wanted, no to die in a hospital with 25 tubes coming in and out of his body but while doing what he LOVED and what he was good at. I know that for Senna everybody who had an interested eye in F1 knew this was going to happen one day, everybody knew that Prost would NOT get hurt, and Senna would, and Schumacher will also (unless he "cools" down after Silverstone last year and his operation last november). Senna "should" have died 2 or 3 times before when he barrel rolled in mexico at more than 200 Kph two years in a row...when you do this kind of activity you can't be on the "edge" too long, too often, I don't know if Earhardt was on the edge in this particular corner of this particular race but from my limited knowledge of Nascar racing (which I don't particularily like) he was often enough on the edge. Then come the question of "rules and safety", Nascar is an independant organisation, the FIA has nothing to say and the organizers are the ones who make the rules unlike F1 where Bernie (fuck him) acts as a sort of "damper" between the "rulers" (FIA) and the organizers controlled by FOCA (or FOA). Personnaly I think that the people governing Nascar are "not clean" on this, they are absolute rulers and only care about TV rights...and you know what, it is sad to say, but I am sure that next race will have record attendance, on the track and on TV....so in a way they are right. Okay, flame me now.

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:46:39 GMT, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Ok, don't get mad at me just yet....read this before<snip> >Of course you can always say that for his family and all this it is >terrible, as it is for every family to lose someone, but for HIM ? Of course >we didn't choose to die and he didn't WANT to but if you look in perspective >it's probably what he wanted, no to die in a hospital with 25 tubes coming >in and out of his body but while doing what he LOVED and what he was good >at.<snip> >Okay, flame me now. No need for that, "it's better to burn out than to fade away" as the Kurgan said.. But I'm just getting into Nascar racing since a year or so, and I would have liked to see Dale's agressive racing for many, many more races.. Senna: I hated the guy, but I still miss him at every F1 race.. :( Andre

Phhhhttttttt.. Wrong. You claim it was best for Dale. You are wrong. He was first and foremost a husband, father and grandfather. Regardless of what he would have done for a profession, to think that he wouldn't have rather been around to be with his family is hogwash.. "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:46:39 GMT, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Do you think, that FOR HIM, the future was looking that good, gettingold, > >stop racing, eventually becoming a TV host to talk about OTHERS racingwhile

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> >the only thing you want is to be there, pushing the others and getting > >pushed by them ? > > He owned two cars, and two drivers that were obviously cabable of > winning races driving them, one of which just happened to be his son. > Earnhardt wasn't going to be a commentator, he was prepared to retire > from driving and becoming the full time owner of a team with huge > potential. > > I can't imagine a better future. > > Tim > >

It's really hard to tell if your post was meant just to get people angry or not. I will agree with you that it's "good for earnhardt" but not for the reasons you stated. I say this because I believe he is in a better place now. But, for the rest of us, sundays will never be the same. I'm not even an Earnhardt fan but I will be the first to say that without him involved in the sport for the past 20 years nascar would not be where it is today. On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:46:39 GMT, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Ok, don't get mad at me just yet....read this before > >As far as I could see this guy was a sort of American Senna. > >So he was "rough" (not to say hard or unfair) in races, he was living for >racing and he couldn't stop (49 is an age where you normally don't do this >anymore...) > >Do you think, that FOR HIM, the future was looking that good, getting old, >stop racing, eventually becoming a TV host to talk about OTHERS racing while >the only thing you want is to be there, pushing the others and getting >pushed by them ? > >Of course you can always say that for his family and all this it is >terrible, as it is for every family to lose someone, but for HIM ? Of course >we didn't choose to die and he didn't WANT to but if you look in perspective >it's probably what he wanted, no to die in a hospital with 25 tubes coming >in and out of his body but while doing what he LOVED and what he was good >at. > >I know that for Senna everybody who had an interested eye in F1 knew this >was going to happen one day, everybody knew that Prost would NOT get hurt, >and Senna would, and Schumacher will also (unless he "cools" down after >Silverstone last year and his operation last november). > >Senna "should" have died 2 or 3 times before when he barrel rolled in mexico >at more than 200 Kph two years in a row...when you do this kind of activity >you can't be on the "edge" too long, too often, I don't know if Earhardt was >on the edge in this particular corner of this particular race but from my >limited knowledge of Nascar racing (which I don't particularily like) he was >often enough on the edge. > >Then come the question of "rules and safety", Nascar is an independant >organisation, the FIA has nothing to say and the organizers are the ones who >make the rules unlike F1 where Bernie (fuck him) acts as a sort of "damper" >between the "rulers" (FIA) and the organizers controlled by FOCA (or FOA). > >Personnaly I think that the people governing Nascar are "not clean" on this, >they are absolute rulers and only care about TV rights...and you know what, >it is sad to say, but I am sure that next race will have record attendance, >on the track and on TV....so in a way they are right. > >Okay, flame me now. > >

I am not a native english speaker so i'll make it more simple this time Do you think that Dale would have "prefered" dying of sickness in his bed, long forgotten and unable to do the ONE thing he loved because his body just couldn't.... OR Die still in full possession of his abilities, while doing what he enjoyed the most ? You could say the same about James Dean, Marylin Monroe, Enrico Caruso (dying on stage, same as Dale) See what I mean ?

Do your question is : "Do you prefer live on your knees or die on your feet ?" My answer is : I prefer live on my knees that not live. I would prefer die old near my friends and family enjoying their loves in the last moments of my life than young alone in a race car. IMHO. regards, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in <6Muk6.4219$[email hidden]>:

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>I am not a native english speaker so i'll make it more simple this time > >Do you think that Dale would have "prefered" dying of sickness in his >bed, long forgotten and unable to do the ONE thing he loved because his >body just couldn't.... > >OR > >Die still in full possession of his abilities, while doing what he >enjoyed the most ? > >You could say the same about James Dean, Marylin Monroe, Enrico Caruso >(dying on stage, same as Dale) > >See what I mean ? > > >

-- Seb Game Developer GPLRank -41.68 http://magicfr.multimania.com

> Phhhhttttttt.. Wrong. You claim it was best for Dale. You are wrong. Hewas > first and foremost a husband, father and grandfather. Regardless of whathe > would have done for a profession, to think that he wouldn't have ratherbeen > around to be with his family is hogwash.. >I'm guessing Txl doesn't have any children.

Hi, I won't flame you, but you're probably not much older then 20...or even a lot younger... I think D.E would have been very happy to retire at a certain point and enjoy his ranch.....his family...grand children... The idea of 'dying when you're doing what you love to do' is very romantic and sometimes heroic but it's a load of bull. The only time when dying what you love to do is a good thing is when you know you'll die of cancer in a month anyways...or something like that. D.E would have probably been very happy dying at 95 in his bed surrounded by his family... Willem On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:46:39 GMT, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Ok, don't get mad at me just yet....read this before > >As far as I could see this guy was a sort of American Senna. > >So he was "rough" (not to say hard or unfair) in races, he was living for >racing and he couldn't stop (49 is an age where you normally don't do this >anymore...) > >Do you think, that FOR HIM, the future was looking that good, getting old, >stop racing, eventually becoming a TV host to talk about OTHERS racing while >the only thing you want is to be there, pushing the others and getting >pushed by them ? > >Of course you can always say that for his family and all this it is >terrible, as it is for every family to lose someone, but for HIM ? Of course >we didn't choose to die and he didn't WANT to but if you look in perspective >it's probably what he wanted, no to die in a hospital with 25 tubes coming >in and out of his body but while doing what he LOVED and what he was good >at. > >I know that for Senna everybody who had an interested eye in F1 knew this >was going to happen one day, everybody knew that Prost would NOT get hurt, >and Senna would, and Schumacher will also (unless he "cools" down after >Silverstone last year and his operation last november). > >Senna "should" have died 2 or 3 times before when he barrel rolled in mexico >at more than 200 Kph two years in a row...when you do this kind of activity >you can't be on the "edge" too long, too often, I don't know if Earhardt was >on the edge in this particular corner of this particular race but from my >limited knowledge of Nascar racing (which I don't particularily like) he was >often enough on the edge. > >Then come the question of "rules and safety", Nascar is an independant >organisation, the FIA has nothing to say and the organizers are the ones who >make the rules unlike F1 where Bernie (fuck him) acts as a sort of "damper" >between the "rulers" (FIA) and the organizers controlled by FOCA (or FOA). > >Personnaly I think that the people governing Nascar are "not clean" on this, >they are absolute rulers and only care about TV rights...and you know what, >it is sad to say, but I am sure that next race will have record attendance, >on the track and on TV....so in a way they are right. > >Okay, flame me now. >

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:46:39 GMT, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Do you think, that FOR HIM, the future was looking that good, getting old, >stop racing, eventually becoming a TV host to talk about OTHERS racing while >the only thing you want is to be there, pushing the others and getting >pushed by them ? He owned two cars, and two drivers that were obviously cabable of winning races driving them, one of which just happened to be his son. Earnhardt wasn't going to be a commentator, he was prepared to retire from driving and becoming the full time owner of a team with huge potential. I can't imagine a better future. Tim

At least if he died forgotten in the bed (which would not have happened....this guy is a gargantuan figure in racing), he could have said goodbye to his family. - Alan

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>Do you think that Dale would have "prefered" dying of sickness in his bed, >long forgotten and unable to do the ONE thing he loved because his body just >couldn't.... > >OR > >Die still in full possession of his abilities, while doing what he enjoyed >the most ? > >You could say the same about James Dean, Marylin Monroe, Enrico Caruso >(dying on stage, same as Dale) > >See what I mean ? >

Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001: "The Last American Hero" R.I.P.

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> > Ok, don't get mad at me just yet....read this before > > As far as I could see this guy was a sort of American Senna. > > So he was "rough" (not to say hard or unfair) in races, he was living for > racing and he couldn't stop (49 is an age where you normally don't do this > anymore...) > > Do you think, that FOR HIM, the future was looking that good, getting old, > stop racing, eventually becoming a TV host to talk about OTHERS racing while > the only thing you want is to be there, pushing the others and getting > pushed by them ? > > Of course you can always say that for his family and all this it is > terrible, as it is for every family to lose someone, but for HIM ? Of course > we didn't choose to die and he didn't WANT to but if you look in perspective > it's probably what he wanted, no to die in a hospital with 25 tubes coming > in and out of his body but while doing what he LOVED and what he was good > at. > > I know that for Senna everybody who had an interested eye in F1 knew this > was going to happen one day, everybody knew that Prost would NOT get hurt, > and Senna would, and Schumacher will also (unless he "cools" down after > Silverstone last year and his operation last november). > > Senna "should" have died 2 or 3 times before when he barrel rolled in mexico > at more than 200 Kph two years in a row...when you do this kind of activity > you can't be on the "edge" too long, too often, I don't know if Earhardt was > on the edge in this particular corner of this particular race but from my > limited knowledge of Nascar racing (which I don't particularily like) he was > often enough on the edge. > > Then come the question of "rules and safety", Nascar is an independant > organisation, the FIA has nothing to say and the organizers are the ones who > make the rules unlike F1 where Bernie (fuck him) acts as a sort of "damper" > between the "rulers" (FIA) and the organizers controlled by FOCA (or FOA). > > Personnaly I think that the people governing Nascar are "not clean" on this, > they are absolute rulers and only care about TV rights...and you know what, > it is sad to say, but I am sure that next race will have record attendance, > on the track and on TV....so in a way they are right. > > Okay, flame me now.

> > Okay, flame me now. You don't need flaming. Just a couple of guys in white coats to make you comfortable..... MS > >

I bet Jackie Stewart, Mario Andretti, Stirling Moss, John Surtees et al are wishing they are dead. Hey. Damon Hill is pretty grey around the temples these days, shall we include him? It must be terrible for these guys to continue living fulfilling lifestyles way beyond the dreams and expectations of the average man in the street, whilst continuing to achieve goals in business and other areas of life that most wannabees spend a lifetime dreaming about. Hey, I bet Nigel Mansell is almost suicidal, thinking about having to go and play a round of golf on his own course, whenever he feels the urge. It must be terrible for all these people to watch their families growing up without the material worries the rest of us endure, safe in the knowledge that they will never want for anything. Maybe we should build a Logan's run carrousel and place 40 year old Nascar and Indycar drivers on it at the age of 40. (Make it 35 for GP drivers) We could ensure that the thing revolves at 200 mph so as to make them happy as they begin to rise...... Idiot !! MS S�bastien Tixier <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Do your question is : > > "Do you prefer live on your knees or die on your feet ?" > > My answer is : I prefer live on my knees that not live. > I would prefer die old near my friends and family enjoying their loves > in the last moments of my life than young alone in a race car. > > IMHO. > > regards, > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in <6Muk6.4219$[email hidden]>: > > >I am not a native english speaker so i'll make it more simple this time > > > >Do you think that Dale would have "prefered" dying of sickness in his > >bed, long forgotten and unable to do the ONE thing he loved because his > >body just couldn't.... > > > >OR > > > >Die still in full possession of his abilities, while doing what he > >enjoyed the most ? > > > >You could say the same about James Dean, Marylin Monroe, Enrico Caruso > >(dying on stage, same as Dale) > > > >See what I mean ? > > > > > > > > > > -- > Seb > Game Developer > GPLRank -41.68 > http://magicfr.multimania.com

hi, english is not my native language, but it seems that your post is pretty ironic... I don't understand if it's an answer to my post or to txl's post ? I totaly disagree with Txl, IMO every living being prefer live than die. It's seems, when reading your other posts that we have the same opinion on txl's post, so i thing it's a mistake that you insult me to be an Idiot ! I would accept very humbly your apology on this . I didn't mean to say that a pilot prefer die in a car than live deserted by the mass media but loved by their families. king regards, "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in <DRxk6.1691$[email hidden]>: >I bet Jackie Stewart, Mario Andretti, Stirling Moss, John Surtees et al[Snip on Ironic ]

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>make them happy as they begin to rise...... > >Idiot !! > >MS > > >S�bastien Tixier <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> Do your question is : >> >> "Do you prefer live on your knees or die on your feet ?" >> >> My answer is : I prefer live on my knees that not live. >> I would prefer die old near my friends and family enjoying their loves >> in the last moments of my life than young alone in a race car. >> >> IMHO. >> >> regards,

-- Seb Game Developer GPLRank -41.68 http://magicfr.multimania.com

Txl ([email hidden]) wrote: < snip > He _does_ have a point, that while this is a tragedy, _if_ Dale could've picked a time to die, then this would've been 'higher on his list' than, say, in a hospital bed from disease, etc. Just because this _sounds_ cruel and insensitive, doesn't make it so, it's just a little too soon for most to think this way. Any fans (of Nascar/Dale) have any quotes to argue one way or another? just my $ 0.02... -- The Fiery One "An artist is one who kids himself the most gracefully" -D. Von Vliet

The Earnhardts lost a father, grandfather, and a husband. Our loss as race fans pales in comparison. Enough people have commented on the obvious here; all I'll add are some nuances from my limited experience watching NASCAR (since the baseball strike): > he was living for > racing and he couldn't stop (49 is an age where you normally don't do this > anymore...) He was second in the points last year... Many stock car drivers are competitive well into their forties. > he was > often enough on the edge. > Dale Earnhardt raced at Daytona and Talladega the safest way possible - get to the front fast and stay there. The restrictor plates bunch the cars up into a huge pack, and one mistake by anyone and you have the Tony Stewart type wreck taking out a good chunk of the field. The front is the safest spot to try to avoid "the big one" because you have more of a chance of the wreck starting behind you. I haven't ever heard one single driver say that they LIKED restrictor plate racing. Sure, they like Daytona for the prestige, history and buildup of speedweeks, but the actual racing? E would comment that "it ain't real racin'." I remember hearing Mark Martin at Talladega after one race say "I'd rather take a beating than have to run a plate race... if we did this more than four times a year, I'd have to find a new line of work." He made those comments in victory circle after WINNING the race. Crashes in the plate races are pretty much random... the best you can do is try to be in the front... I'm going to go back to mourning now, David

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:30:51 -0000, "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote: [snip ravings] >Idiot !! Yeah, that was called for... NOT. /Magnus GPLRank hcp: -41.34

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:30:51 -0000, "Mark Seery" [snip ravings] Yeah, that was called for... NOT. /Magnus GPLRank hcp: -41.34

> > It's seems, when reading your other posts that we have the same opinion > on txl's post, so i thing it's a mistake that you insult me to be an Idiot! It was not you I was responding to friend but that idiot troll TXL !! MS

What was? Some idiot believes that a fellow human being, living and enjoying the best years of his life is better off having that life cut from under him, and you say my response is uncalled for? I'll stand by my guns and fire with both barrels! MS Magnus Svensson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:30:51 -0000, "Mark Seery" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > [snip ravings] > > >Idiot !! > > Yeah, that was called for... NOT. > > > > /Magnus > GPLRank hcp: -41.34

Man he was on the "edge" all the time. You had to see it live to belive it. One of the GREATE ones. We vent from Sweden to Talladega just to watch him last year and #3 was a racer not a driver. Regards Per "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:32rk6.4141$[email hidden]...

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> Ok, don't get mad at me just yet....read this before > > As far as I could see this guy was a sort of American Senna. > > So he was "rough" (not to say hard or unfair) in races, he was living for > racing and he couldn't stop (49 is an age where you normally don't do this > anymore...) > > Do you think, that FOR HIM, the future was looking that good, getting old, > stop racing, eventually becoming a TV host to talk about OTHERS racing

while > the only thing you want is to be there, pushing the others and getting > pushed by them ? > > Of course you can always say that for his family and all this it is > terrible, as it is for every family to lose someone, but for HIM ? Ofcourse > we didn't choose to die and he didn't WANT to but if you look inperspective

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> it's probably what he wanted, no to die in a hospital with 25 tubes coming > in and out of his body but while doing what he LOVED and what he was good > at. > > I know that for Senna everybody who had an interested eye in F1 knew this > was going to happen one day, everybody knew that Prost would NOT get hurt, > and Senna would, and Schumacher will also (unless he "cools" down after > Silverstone last year and his operation last november). > > Senna "should" have died 2 or 3 times before when he barrel rolled in

mexico > at more than 200 Kph two years in a row...when you do this kind ofactivity > you can't be on the "edge" too long, too often, I don't know if Earhardtwas > on the edge in this particular corner of this particular race but from my > limited knowledge of Nascar racing (which I don't particularily like) hewas > often enough on the edge. > > Then come the question of "rules and safety", Nascar is an independant > organisation, the FIA has nothing to say and the organizers are the oneswho > make the rules unlike F1 where Bernie (fuck him) acts as a sort of"damper" > between the "rulers" (FIA) and the organizers controlled by FOCA (or FOA). > > Personnaly I think that the people governing Nascar are "not clean" onthis, > they are absolute rulers and only care about TV rights...and you knowwhat, > it is sad to say, but I am sure that next race will have recordattendance, > on the track and on TV....so in a way they are right. > > Okay, flame me now. > >

On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:07:32 -0000, "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>What was? > >Some idiot believes that a fellow human being, living and enjoying the best >years of his life is better off having that life cut from under him, and you >say my response is uncalled for? > >I'll stand by my guns and fire with both barrels!

Ok pilgrim, I hope your aim improves next time you get triggerhappy! /Magnus GPLRank hcp: -41.34

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 07:19:45 -0800, Tim O <[email hidden]> wrote: >He owned two cars, and two drivers that were obviously cabable of >winning races driving them, one of which just happened to be his son. >Earnhardt wasn't going to be a commentator, he was prepared to retire >from driving and becoming the full time owner of a team with huge >potential. Make that three cars. #8 for DE jr., #15 for M Waltrip and #1 for Steve Park. ~daxe

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>I am not a native english speaker so i'll make it more simple this time > >Do you think that Dale would have "prefered" dying of sickness in his bed, >long forgotten and unable to do the ONE thing he loved because his body just >couldn't.... > >OR > >Die still in full possession of his abilities, while doing what he enjoyed >the most ?

From the people I've known who are into extreme sports/activities (one of whome is my brother) I'd have to say the latter, doing what he enjoyed the most. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

"Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in <DuDk6.2259$[email hidden]>: > >> >> It's seems, when reading your other posts that we have the same >> opinion on txl's post, so i thing it's a mistake that you insult me to >> be an Idiot Okey ! But pay attention to respond at the correct post. As i said, English is not my native language and the way the post are replied to, is very important for me to understand some posts !

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>! > >It was not you I was responding to friend but that idiot troll TXL !! > >MS >

king regards, -- Seb Game Developer GPLRank -41.68 http://magicfr.multimania.com

Apologies for the confusion. It was meant as a follow up to back up your post but you misinterpreted my intentions. MS S�bastien Tixier <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in > <DuDk6.2259$[email hidden]>: > > > > >> > >> It's seems, when reading your other posts that we have the same > >> opinion on txl's post, so i thing it's a mistake that you insult me to > >> be an Idiot > > Okey ! But pay attention to respond at the correct post. As i said,

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> is not my native language and the way the post are replied to, is very > important for me to understand some posts ! > > >! > > > >It was not you I was responding to friend but that idiot troll TXL !! > > > > > >MS > > > > king regards, > > -- > Seb > Game Developer > GPLRank -41.68 > http://magicfr.multimania.com

"Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in <8OSk6.5054$[email hidden]>: >Apologies for the confusion. It was meant as a follow up to back up your >post but you misinterpreted my intentions. That was i understood in the first reading, but my low knowledge on English/US culture make me uncertain that why i asked you some precisions on your posts :o) Now every things is clear. cheers, -- Seb Game Developer GPLRank -41.68 http://magicfr.multimania.com