I'm curious what I'm missing here. Last night I raced at online at
Talladega. In qualifying, I ran 187.046 while the pole sitter ran over 191.
During the race, I was lapped by the 2nd place car who passed me as if I was
standing still. It was all I could do to stay within five car lengths of
him in his draft. Passing him was completely impossible. Shortly
thereafter, we came up on a guy with his nose bashed in and he and I were
DEAD EVEN down the back straight with no draft!
I refuse to believe that driving line makes a 4 mph difference at flat-out
tracks like Talladega and Daytona. My car isn't loose, it isn't tight, I'm
not fighting the wheel, I'm down as close to the apron in the turns as I can
get, my tires are 60 psi. Yet I can't even hit 191 mph in a straight line,
let alone qualify with an AVERAGE lap of 191 mph. Are these guys bypassing
the 70 degree spoiler rule by changing the track type in the track.ini file,
or am I really just that far off in the setup? It'll take an awful lot of
convincing for me to believe somebody's not monkying around where they
shouldn't be.
-Chris-
a.k.a. "Dirt"
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I'm having the same problems, and frankly I was a Level-15 Dega driver on
TEN with some 80 wins.
Ditto for Daytona.
I'm confused too...
-Larry
"Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I'm curious what I'm missing here. Last night I raced at online at
> Talladega. In qualifying, I ran 187.046 while the pole sitter ran over191.
> During the race, I was lapped by the 2nd place car who passed me as if Iwas
I'm
> not fighting the wheel, I'm down as close to the apron in the turns as Ican
> get, my tires are 60 psi. Yet I can't even hit 191 mph in a straightline,
> let alone qualify with an AVERAGE lap of 191 mph. Are these guysbypassing
> the 70 degree spoiler rule by changing the track type in the track.inifile,
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> standing still. It was all I could do to stay within five car lengths of > him in his draft. Passing him was completely impossible. Shortly > thereafter, we came up on a guy with his nose bashed in and he and I were > DEAD EVEN down the back straight with no draft! > > I refuse to believe that driving line makes a 4 mph difference at flat-out > tracks like Talladega and Daytona. My car isn't loose, it isn't tight,Quoted text (8 lines)
> or am I really just that far off in the setup? It'll take an awful lot of > convincing for me to believe somebody's not monkying around where they > shouldn't be. > > -Chris- > a.k.a. "Dirt" > >The only person that can monkey around would be the server, and if they do
that, you are effected also.
Try using the FAST setup that came with your game and see how that works for
you.
Yes, 187 sounds very slow down the backstretch.. you should probably be at
186+ just coming off the turns.
"Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I'm curious what I'm missing here. Last night I raced at online at
> Talladega. In qualifying, I ran 187.046 while the pole sitter ran over191.
> During the race, I was lapped by the 2nd place car who passed me as if Iwas
I'm
> not fighting the wheel, I'm down as close to the apron in the turns as Ican
> get, my tires are 60 psi. Yet I can't even hit 191 mph in a straightline,
> let alone qualify with an AVERAGE lap of 191 mph. Are these guysbypassing
> the 70 degree spoiler rule by changing the track type in the track.inifile,
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> standing still. It was all I could do to stay within five car lengths of > him in his draft. Passing him was completely impossible. Shortly > thereafter, we came up on a guy with his nose bashed in and he and I were > DEAD EVEN down the back straight with no draft! > > I refuse to believe that driving line makes a 4 mph difference at flat-out > tracks like Talladega and Daytona. My car isn't loose, it isn't tight,Quoted text (8 lines)
> or am I really just that far off in the setup? It'll take an awful lot of > convincing for me to believe somebody's not monkying around where they > shouldn't be. > > -Chris- > a.k.a. "Dirt" > >Chris Cavin wrote:
> I refuse to believe that driving line makes a 4 mph difference at flat-out
> tracks like Talladega and Daytona. My car isn't loose, it isn't tight, I'm
> not fighting the wheel, I'm down as close to the apron in the turns as I can
> get, my tires are 60 psi. Yet I can't even hit 191 mph in a straight line,
Is your wheel calibrated properly? How are the pots, especially for the
throttle? In the draft I've hit high 190's at these tracks. Also check
your gearing.
--
Fester
> thereafter, we came up on a guy with his nose bashed in and he and I were
> DEAD EVEN down the back straight with no draft!
The grille tape has some effect on the staightline speeds too. In the
default Fast -setup it is only 40%, and it can be usually taped up to 70%.
> let alone qualify with an AVERAGE lap of 191 mph. Are these guysbypassing
> the 70 degree spoiler rule by changing the track type in the track.inifile,
I tried to change the track.ini and then join to a mp race. It was just the
test if one could cheat - and I couldn't because I got thrown out after the
game had compared my track.ini with the servers track.ini..
Good job, papy!!!
Mika Takala
[email hidden]
> Yes, 187 sounds very slow down the backstretch.. you should probably be at
> 186+ just coming off the turns.
I usually fall to 179 or maybe 180 in the middle of the turns. My max speed
on either straight is usually in the 189 range.
I've recalibrated my controller so that full throttle happens before my gas
pedal hits the stop, and the 0% position on the brake happens at about
1/10th of brake travel (i.e. I have to push the brake 10% before anything
happens).
> > I refuse to believe that driving line makes a 4 mph difference atflat-out
> > tracks like Talladega and Daytona. My car isn't loose, it isn't tight,I'm
> > not fighting the wheel, I'm down as close to the apron in the turns as Ican
> > get, my tires are 60 psi. Yet I can't even hit 191 mph in a straightline,
>
>
> Is your wheel calibrated properly? How are the pots, especially for the
> throttle? In the draft I've hit high 190's at these tracks. Also check
> your gearing.
See my above post with regards to wheel calibration. As far as drafting,
I've had a personal best of 193.xxx running in somebodys draft.
If you touch the brake at Daytona you lose too much momentuum. Don't do it.
Load up FAST and then give it a whirl. Or head over to
www.team-lightspeed.com and pick up a Daytona setup from the track
tutorial.
Best,
Gavel
hmmm. i totally suck and have hit 200 mph at daytona in an offline race with
43 cars @ 90%. using default fast setup. mind you alone it is a bitch to
hit the high 180s. I wonder if the game models weather and if that has an
effect on speed.
chris
"Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > > I refuse to believe that driving line makes a 4 mph difference at
> flat-out
> > > tracks like Talladega and Daytona. My car isn't loose, it isn'ttight,
> I'm
> > > not fighting the wheel, I'm down as close to the apron in the turns asI
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> can > > > get, my tires are 60 psi. Yet I can't even hit 191 mph in a straight > line, > > > > > > Is your wheel calibrated properly? How are the pots, especially for the > > throttle? In the draft I've hit high 190's at these tracks. Also check > > your gearing. > > > See my above post with regards to wheel calibration. As far as drafting, > I've had a personal best of 193.xxx running in somebodys draft. > > >Load up the qualifying setup, change the tape to 70%, change the motor to
race from qualify, bump the rear gear up high enough to just start to see
the red light in the draft, and drop the wedge to 15 and you'll be good to
go :)
Don
"Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:5Zxk6.14$[email hidden]...
> I'm curious what I'm missing here. Last night I raced at online at
> Talladega. In qualifying, I ran 187.046 while the pole sitter ran over191.
> During the race, I was lapped by the 2nd place car who passed me as if Iwas
I'm
> not fighting the wheel, I'm down as close to the apron in the turns as Ican
> get, my tires are 60 psi. Yet I can't even hit 191 mph in a straightline,
> let alone qualify with an AVERAGE lap of 191 mph. Are these guysbypassing
> the 70 degree spoiler rule by changing the track type in the track.inifile,
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> standing still. It was all I could do to stay within five car lengths of > him in his draft. Passing him was completely impossible. Shortly > thereafter, we came up on a guy with his nose bashed in and he and I were > DEAD EVEN down the back straight with no draft! > > I refuse to believe that driving line makes a 4 mph difference at flat-out > tracks like Talladega and Daytona. My car isn't loose, it isn't tight,Quoted text (8 lines)
> or am I really just that far off in the setup? It'll take an awful lot of > convincing for me to believe somebody's not monkying around where they > shouldn't be. > > -Chris- > a.k.a. "Dirt" > >Last week I was wondering why I was so off pace also. So I spent an hour
and a half at Daytona doing some setup testing. Started with the qual
setup,
and just kept doing a qual run, then change one setup value a bit, do
another qual run to see if I got faster or slower, and did this until
I'd
run out of things to adjust. My resulting setup was over .3s faster than
I started out with, and now I'm right up there in speed with the fast
guys :)
So go do a bit of setup testing, and you'll figure it out :)
Chris Cavin wrote:
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> > I'm curious what I'm missing here. Last night I raced at online at > Talladega. In qualifying, I ran 187.046 while the pole sitter ran over 191. > During the race, I was lapped by the 2nd place car who passed me as if I was > standing still. It was all I could do to stay within five car lengths of > him in his draft. Passing him was completely impossible. Shortly > thereafter, we came up on a guy with his nose bashed in and he and I were > DEAD EVEN down the back straight with no draft! > > I refuse to believe that driving line makes a 4 mph difference at flat-out > tracks like Talladega and Daytona. My car isn't loose, it isn't tight, I'm > not fighting the wheel, I'm down as close to the apron in the turns as I can > get, my tires are 60 psi. Yet I can't even hit 191 mph in a straight line, > let alone qualify with an AVERAGE lap of 191 mph. Are these guys bypassing > the 70 degree spoiler rule by changing the track type in the track.ini file, > or am I really just that far off in the setup? It'll take an awful lot of > convincing for me to believe somebody's not monkying around where they > shouldn't be. > > -Chris- > a.k.a. "Dirt"
"TheMightyPuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:4dDk6.2105$[email hidden]...
> hmmm. i totally suck and have hit 200 mph at daytona in an offline racewith
> 43 cars @ 90%. using default fast setup. mind you alone it is a bitch to
> hit the high 180s. I wonder if the game models weather and if that has an
> effect on speed.
>
> chris
I'm pretty sure wind speed and direction does, at least at the
superspeedways, and more so than in any of the other Papy sims. Don't know
about cloudy/sunny, but I bet that has some effect on track adhesion.
As far as Daytona, I've hit a setup that lets me keep up with the draft
pretty well. My problem is getting tight after mid-turns 3 and 4 after a
few laps and having to lift. That'll put you behind in a hurry.
Jerry Morelock
I must confess to backing off a bit on my assertions. I ran two "fixed" setup
races tonight, one at Daytona and the other at Talladega. I qualified 4th out
of 25 or so at Daytona then was taken out before the first turn. I qualified on
pole at Talladega out of 30 or so and finished second by 0.019 seconds.
Hmmm....
<chew> <chew> <chew>
This crow tastes kind of gamey...
-Chris-
a.k.a. "Dirt"
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> Last week I was wondering why I was so off pace also. So I spent an hour > and a half at Daytona doing some setup testing. Started with the qual > setup, > and just kept doing a qual run, then change one setup value a bit, do > another qual run to see if I got faster or slower, and did this until > I'd > run out of things to adjust. My resulting setup was over .3s faster than > I started out with, and now I'm right up there in speed with the fast > guys :) > So go do a bit of setup testing, and you'll figure it out :) > > Chris Cavin wrote: > > > > I'm curious what I'm missing here. Last night I raced at online at > > Talladega. In qualifying, I ran 187.046 while the pole sitter ran over 191. > > During the race, I was lapped by the 2nd place car who passed me as if I was > > standing still. It was all I could do to stay within five car lengths of > > him in his draft. Passing him was completely impossible. Shortly > > thereafter, we came up on a guy with his nose bashed in and he and I were > > DEAD EVEN down the back straight with no draft! > > > > I refuse to believe that driving line makes a 4 mph difference at flat-out > > tracks like Talladega and Daytona. My car isn't loose, it isn't tight, I'm > > not fighting the wheel, I'm down as close to the apron in the turns as I can > > get, my tires are 60 psi. Yet I can't even hit 191 mph in a straight line, > > let alone qualify with an AVERAGE lap of 191 mph. Are these guys bypassing > > the 70 degree spoiler rule by changing the track type in the track.ini file, > > or am I really just that far off in the setup? It'll take an awful lot of > > convincing for me to believe somebody's not monkying around where they > > shouldn't be. > > > > -Chris- > > a.k.a. "Dirt" >Another thing that hasn't been mentioned yet...I ran a virtually perfect
qualify lap on a setup I *knew* was fast, and finished 20th out of 24 or
something - 3MPH behind the leaders. I think what happened was that the
game didn't use my 'Qualify Setup' and instead used my 'Current Setup',
which was my race setup and didn't have a qual motor! just a guess.
-Phasor
>"Chris Cavin" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:dxGk6.396$[email hidden]...
> I must confess to backing off a bit on my assertions. I ran two "fixed"setup
> races tonight, one at Daytona and the other at Talladega. I qualified 4thout
> of 25 or so at Daytona then was taken out before the first turn. Iqualified on
over 191.
> > > During the race, I was lapped by the 2nd place car who passed me as ifI was
> > > standing still. It was all I could do to stay within five car lengthsof
> > > him in his draft. Passing him was completely impossible. Shortly
> > > thereafter, we came up on a guy with his nose bashed in and he and Iwere
> > > DEAD EVEN down the back straight with no draft!
> > >
> > > I refuse to believe that driving line makes a 4 mph difference atflat-out
> > > tracks like Talladega and Daytona. My car isn't loose, it isn'ttight, I'm
> > > not fighting the wheel, I'm down as close to the apron in the turns asI can
> > > get, my tires are 60 psi. Yet I can't even hit 191 mph in a straightline,
> > > let alone qualify with an AVERAGE lap of 191 mph. Are these guysbypassing
> > > the 70 degree spoiler rule by changing the track type in the track.inifile,
> > > or am I really just that far off in the setup? It'll take an awfullot of
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> pole at Talladega out of 30 or so and finished second by 0.019 seconds. > > Hmmm.... > > <chew> <chew> <chew> > > This crow tastes kind of gamey... > > -Chris- > a.k.a. "Dirt" > > > > > > Last week I was wondering why I was so off pace also. So I spent an hour > > and a half at Daytona doing some setup testing. Started with the qual > > setup, > > and just kept doing a qual run, then change one setup value a bit, do > > another qual run to see if I got faster or slower, and did this until > > I'd > > run out of things to adjust. My resulting setup was over .3s faster than > > I started out with, and now I'm right up there in speed with the fast > > guys :) > > So go do a bit of setup testing, and you'll figure it out :) > > > > Chris Cavin wrote: > > > > > > I'm curious what I'm missing here. Last night I raced at online at > > > Talladega. In qualifying, I ran 187.046 while the pole sitter ranQuoted text (8 lines)
> > > convincing for me to believe somebody's not monkying around where they > > > shouldn't be. > > > > > > -Chris- > > > a.k.a. "Dirt" > > > >I think that the qualifying motor is always used during the qualifying
session. The options in the garage screen are there so you can test a
qualifying setup complete with qualifying motor during practice or an
open testing session.
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:04:16 GMT, "Phasor" <[email hidden]>
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