Whats the next big sim due out ?

Now that Nascar 4 is out, I was wondering what the next major Sim Racing release is, in anybodys opinion. I know that WSC is supposed to be major, but is anything special due out before that game finally gets released. Also, there must be some other great Sim due out after WSC finally makes its debut, has anyone heard of any rumours, or is WSC the be all end all sim for the next few years.

"Next," given the difficulties that can arise in software development, is a bit hard to pin down. <g> I am personally looking forward to Leadfoot (Q2), Paris-Dakar (Q2), Master Rallye (Q3) and Historic Rally Trophy (Q4). And WSC whenever it finally ships. On 22 Feb 2001 14:15:28 GMT, [email hidden] (Loosay2) wrote: >Now that Nascar 4 is out, I was wondering what the next major Sim Racing >release is, in anybodys opinion. I know that WSC is supposed to be major, but >is anything special due out before that game finally gets released. Also, there >must be some other great Sim due out after WSC finally makes its debut, has >anyone heard of any rumours, or is WSC the be all end all sim for the next few >years. Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

On 22 Feb 2001 14:15:28 GMT, [email hidden] (Loosay2) wrote: >Now that Nascar 4 is out, I was wondering what the next major Sim Racing >release is, in anybodys opinion. I know that WSC is supposed to be major, but >is anything special due out before that game finally gets released. Also, there >must be some other great Sim due out after WSC finally makes its debut, has >anyone heard of any rumours, or is WSC the be all end all sim for the next few >years. I'm sure EA has F12001 in the works. Apart from that and WSC I can't think of anything else I'm really interested in getting.

F1RC from ubi or eidos I can't keep those companies separate in my head. Gorgeous graphics...I'm a little leary of the demo but it should be interesting....I'm not sure there will be a F1 2001 since I seem to recall John Bodin or somebody saying the team is starting now from a completely fresh sheet of paper....F12k was, after all, an upgraded scgt in many respects. they may need more than 6 months to get their next product out the door. Leadfoot the Stadium off-road sim should be buckets o fun. dave henrie "Loosay2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Now that Nascar 4 is out, I was wondering what the next major Sim Racing > release is, in anybodys opinion. I know that WSC is supposed to be major,but > is anything special due out before that game finally gets released. Also,there > must be some other great Sim due out after WSC finally makes its debut,has > anyone heard of any rumours, or is WSC the be all end all sim for the nextfew > years.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:34:22 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: >>Now that Nascar 4 is out, I was wondering what the next major Sim Racing >>release is, in anybodys opinion. I know that WSC is supposed to be major, but >>is anything special due out before that game finally gets released. Also, there >>must be some other great Sim due out after WSC finally makes its debut, has >>anyone heard of any rumours, or is WSC the be all end all sim for the next few >>years. I'm curious about the Skip Barber racing sim, due out 15-06-01 afaik.. Andre "Michael feels the same way about safety in auto racing as I do. Great minds think alike." - David G Fisher

What's Historic Rally Trophy? "Sounds" good :) Cyrille <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message : [email hidden]...

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> "Next," given the difficulties that can arise in > software development, is a bit hard to pin down. > <g> > > I am personally looking forward to Leadfoot (Q2), > Paris-Dakar (Q2), Master Rallye (Q3) and Historic > Rally Trophy (Q4). > > And WSC whenever it finally ships. > > On 22 Feb 2001 14:15:28 GMT, [email hidden] > (Loosay2) wrote: > > >Now that Nascar 4 is out, I was wondering what the next major Sim Racing > >release is, in anybodys opinion. I know that WSC is supposed to be major,

but > >is anything special due out before that game finally gets released. Also,there > >must be some other great Sim due out after WSC finally makes its debut,has > >anyone heard of any rumours, or is WSC the be all end all sim for thenext few > >years. > > > Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

F1RC by Ubi Soft. May very well be the best yet. David G Fisher "Loosay2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Now that Nascar 4 is out, I was wondering what the next major Sim Racing > release is, in anybodys opinion. I know that WSC is supposed to be major,but > is anything special due out before that game finally gets released. Also,there > must be some other great Sim due out after WSC finally makes its debut,has > anyone heard of any rumours, or is WSC the be all end all sim for the nextfew > years.

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9Gal6.458448$[email hidden]... > be interesting....I'm not sure there will be a F1 2001 since I seem to > recall From http://www.imagespaceinc.com/final/ISInews.htm : Image Space Inc. has its sites set on the F1 2001 season. Along with EA sports Image Space will push the already smash hit F1 2000, into the next season with better features and a more advanced AI and driver components. Looks like there's going to be a F12001, but that note has been on their site for months so I'm not sure. Thomas Maarlund

Grand Prix 4 ??? David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Sifl6.4324$[email hidden]...

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> F1RC by Ubi Soft. May very well be the best yet. > > David G Fisher > > > "Loosay2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Now that Nascar 4 is out, I was wondering what the next major Sim Racing > > release is, in anybodys opinion. I know that WSC is supposed to be

major, > but > > is anything special due out before that game finally gets released.Also, > there > > must be some other great Sim due out after WSC finally makes its debut, > has > > anyone heard of any rumours, or is WSC the be all end all sim for thenext > few > > years. >

Could be... speaking of Crammond and co: wasn't there some sort of official add-on / season update for GP3 supposed to be released right about now? Jan. =--- Matt Wilson wrote... > Grand Prix 4 ??? > > <snip>

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > F1RC by Ubi Soft. May very well be the best yet. True about your first sentence. I doubt it can equal N4 or GPL, still. Perhaps the best modern F1 sim, but I don't expect anything else of what I saw. About the only "major" released in 2001 are N4, WSC, F1RC and Leadfoot imho. Every other title is a "minor" simracing release with very small ammount of current information and PR marketing, yet are titles that could perhaps be a surprise hits like MBTR was in 2000. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

[email hidden] (Loosay2) wrote: >Now that Nascar 4 is out, I was wondering what the next major Sim Racing >release is, in anybodys opinion. Probably GT3 on the Playstation 2. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

Jagg wrote: > > I'm sure EA has F12001 in the works. Apart from that and WSC I can't > think of anything else I'm really interested in getting. Yup, I heard some news that it's supposed to come out in the middle of the year. I'm not sure where I read it, though. -Gregor

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> > Jagg wrote: > > > > I'm sure EA has F12001 in the works. Apart from that and WSC I can't > > think of anything else I'm really interested in getting. > > Yup, I heard some news that it's supposed to come out in the middle of > the year. I'm not sure where I read it, though. > > -Gregor

F12001 that is.

cyrille vanlerberghe <[email hidden]> wrote: > What's Historic Rally Trophy? "Sounds" good :) > Cyrille www.bugbear.fi/hrally.htm I very much suspect the game will turn out to be just a graphics demo with no simulational content at all. Three of the introduction text's four chapters rant about the "state-of-the-art 3D engine", whereas the physical modelling is only mentioned in one tiny subordinate clause. +Cinquo

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:25:13 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Could be... speaking of Crammond and co: wasn't there some sort of official >add-on / season update for GP3 supposed to be released right about now? Seriously.. do you really expect Crammond has the guts to come out of his bunker ever again? :) Andre "Michael feels the same way about safety in auto racing as I do. Great minds think alike." - David G Fisher

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> > Seriously.. do you really expect Crammond has the guts to come out of > his bunker ever again? :) > > Andre > > "Michael feels the same way about safety in auto racing as I do. Great minds > think alike." - David G Fisher

Hey, although GP3 had a few 'unusual features' in terms of game engine, it is a very good and entertaining racing sim, and the only F1 sim on the market that actually produces any usable FF effects. Plus, the rain races are simply awesome. It may not be the last word in racing sims, but I don't think the authors have anything to be ashamed off. -Gregor

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:28:22 +0100, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Andre Warringa wrote: >> >> Seriously.. do you really expect Crammond has the guts to come out of >> his bunker ever again? :) >> >> Andre >> >> "Michael feels the same way about safety in auto racing as I do. Great minds >> think alike." - David G Fisher > >Hey, > >although GP3 had a few 'unusual features' in terms of game engine, it is >a very good and entertaining racing sim, and the only F1 sim on the >market that actually produces any usable FF effects. Plus, the rain >races are simply awesome. It may not be the last word in racing sims, >but I don't think the authors have anything to be ashamed off. > >-Gregor

Hey, I was just kidding Gregor. Actually, while writing that, it came to my mind that you liked GP3 :) For me GP3 was a huge letdown and still is. The rain was superb, but F12k and especially F1CS with the chassis patch gave me a much better feeling of racing in an F1 car. And I'm looking forward to F1RC, I love the demo. Andre "Michael feels the same way about safety in auto racing as I do. Great minds think alike." - David G Fisher

Wouldn't that be Grand Prix 2.6? Vintook "Matt Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Grand Prix 4 ??? > > David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Sifl6.4324$[email hidden]... > > F1RC by Ubi Soft. May very well be the best yet. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Loosay2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Now that Nascar 4 is out, I was wondering what the next major Sim

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> > > release is, in anybodys opinion. I know that WSC is supposed to be > major, > > but > > > is anything special due out before that game finally gets released. > Also, > > there > > > must be some other great Sim due out after WSC finally makes its

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>Probably GT3 on the Playstation 2. > >Joe McGinn >_____________________ >Radical Entertainmen For me , GT3 is the one I am most interested in getting in addition to WSC, but I know that alot of people in this newsgroup pretty much dismiss all future console racers as automatically being arcadish, regardless of their actual qualities.

Thanks Cinquo for the link. At least it looks good. We'll have to wait for the physics... I have some hope too, because it's being made by Finns. And Finns know A LOT about rallying!! :)) Cyrille Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message : 975823$6sf$[email hidden]...

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> cyrille vanlerberghe <[email hidden]> wrote: > > What's Historic Rally Trophy? "Sounds" good :) > > Cyrille > > www.bugbear.fi/hrally.htm > > I very much suspect the game will turn out to be just a graphics demo with

no > simulational content at all. Three of the introduction text's four > chapters rant about the "state-of-the-art 3D engine", whereas the physical > modelling is only mentioned in one tiny subordinate clause. > > > +Cinquo

In all probability, the best of the bunch by far will be WSC. I think it's only penned in for Q3 though. MS Loosay2 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Now that Nascar 4 is out, I was wondering what the next major Sim Racing > release is, in anybodys opinion. I know that WSC is supposed to be major,but > is anything special due out before that game finally gets released. Also,there > must be some other great Sim due out after WSC finally makes its debut,has > anyone heard of any rumours, or is WSC the be all end all sim for the nextfew > years.

Just have to answer this.. TRUST ME, the physics modeling is gorgeously made. Watching the car trundle across a ditch/rough terrain/whatever looks and feels very realistic and natural concerning the chassis action. Hard landings from jumps makes you gringe from empathy towards the car. Sorry, can't tell any details, no matter how much I'd wish to. Publisher told us to keep our lips sealed about any details - for now, anyways... ;-) -spikey, working for Bugbear. p.s. .. And no, my relationship to Bugbear doesn't affect my opinion about this game. It's a sight to behold :-) Ville V Sinkko wrote:

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> > cyrille vanlerberghe <[email hidden]> wrote: > > What's Historic Rally Trophy? "Sounds" good :) > > Cyrille > > www.bugbear.fi/hrally.htm > > I very much suspect the game will turn out to be just a graphics demo with no > simulational content at all. Three of the introduction text's four > chapters rant about the "state-of-the-art 3D engine", whereas the physical > modelling is only mentioned in one tiny subordinate clause. > > +Cinquo

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:25:03 +0100, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yup, I heard some news that it's supposed to come out in the middle of >the year. I'm not sure where I read it, though. > >-Gregor Which? F12001 or WSC?

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:25:31 +0100, Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote: >F12001 that is. You read my mind. :-)

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:25:31 +0100, Gregor Veble >F12001 that is. You read my mind. :-)

I think it looks great. Not every sim coming out has to have accurate handling. Sometimes it's fun just to take a drive in the countryside and look at beautiful scenery. Fast, gorgeous graphics go a long way to the enjoyment, and good online play brings even more. The added realistic physics model is a plus. So, what's the expected release date? -- Slot Tweaks & Reviews www.slottweak.com "Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Just have to answer this.. > > TRUST ME, the physics modeling is gorgeously made. Watching the car > trundle across a ditch/rough terrain/whatever looks and feels very > realistic and natural concerning the chassis action. Hard landings from > jumps makes you gringe from empathy towards the car. > > Sorry, can't tell any details, no matter how much I'd wish to. Publisher > told us to keep our lips sealed about any details - for now, anyways... > ;-) > > -spikey, working for Bugbear. > > p.s. .. And no, my relationship to Bugbear doesn't affect my opinion > about this game. It's a sight to behold :-) > > Ville V Sinkko wrote: > > > > cyrille vanlerberghe <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > What's Historic Rally Trophy? "Sounds" good :) > > > Cyrille > > > > www.bugbear.fi/hrally.htm > > > > I very much suspect the game will turn out to be just a graphics demo with no > > simulational content at all. Three of the introduction text's four > > chapters rant about the "state-of-the-art 3D engine", whereas the physical > > modelling is only mentioned in one tiny subordinate clause. > > > > +Cinquo > > -- > .: fifty miles beyond the madness horizon :. > .: http://focused.wox.org :.

The last I was told was Skip Barber was on indefinite hold. -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:34:22 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: > > >>Now that Nascar 4 is out, I was wondering what the next major Sim Racing > >>release is, in anybodys opinion. I know that WSC is supposed to be major, but > >>is anything special due out before that game finally gets released. Also, there > >>must be some other great Sim due out after WSC finally makes its debut, has > >>anyone heard of any rumours, or is WSC the be all end all sim for the next few > >>years. > > I'm curious about the Skip Barber racing sim, due out 15-06-01 afaik.. > > > Andre > > "Michael feels the same way about safety in auto racing as I do. Great minds > think alike." - David G Fisher

Andre Warringa wrote: > I'm curious about the Skip Barber racing sim, due out 15-06-01 afaik.. > > Andre I'm with you. Skip Barber and WSC are probably the only two racing titles I'll get this year. Hopefully Ratbag will do some asphalt stock/modifieds and then the stock car career 'ladder' will be developed. Oh, add the paved sprints as well (for the USAC fans...). Then a F3 / F3000 label and the open wheel ladder will be complete as well.

"Mike Donnelly Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Then a F3 / F3000 label and the open wheel ladder will be complete as > well. Really? What about the Toyota Atlantic, Barber Dodge, and Indy Lights? not to mention......................CART!!!!! (and that other series that only turns left....) dave henrie

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Loosay2) wrote: >For me , GT3 is the one I am most interested in getting in addition to WSC, but >I know that alot of people in this newsgroup pretty much dismiss all future >console racers as automatically being arcadish, regardless of their actual >qualities. I'm sure you are right about some. I bought a PSX for GT (and then GT2) and consider it well worth it for that. But I'm not too sure about GT3 and the PS2. From all I've read, GT3 seems to be a graphics update (great!), but less cars, less tracks, and (as far as I've read) no addressing the aspects that I think could be improved with a more powerful console: better AI, more AI cars, a dash. Meanwhile, I'll play F355 Ferrari Challenge on my ($80) Dreamcast. Pack to PC's... So, it's official that Skip Barber Racing is canned?

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:45:49 GMT, "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The last I was told was Skip Barber was on indefinite hold. When did you hear this?? I remember the release date was mid feb '01, then it was postponed till mid june or july..

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> "Mike Donnelly Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Then a F3 / F3000 label and the open wheel ladder will be complete as > > well. > Really? What about the Toyota Atlantic, Barber Dodge, and Indy > Lights? > not to mention......................CART!!!!! > (and that other series that only turns left....) > dave henrie

Skip Barber can handle the Barber Dodge and possibly the Toyota Atlantic stuff, ICR2 could take on the CART & Indy Lights. Who would want to model a league for has-beens and never-will-bes? (My apologies to Buddy Lazier, who perhaps got the short shift from CART... Funny, it seems like the best IRL drivers are... washed up CART drivers...)

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>TRUST ME, the physics modeling is gorgeously made. Watching the car >trundle across a ditch/rough terrain/whatever looks and feels very >realistic and natural concerning the chassis action. Hard landings from >jumps makes you gringe from empathy towards the car. > >-spikey, working for Bugbear. > >p.s. .. And no, my relationship to Bugbear doesn't affect my opinion >about this game. It's a sight to behold :-)

If you guys are looking for betatesters, I'm free. And cheap too. ;) - Greger

"Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote: >In all probability, the best of the bunch by far will be WSC. >I think it's only penned in for Q3 though. Ah, maybe you should change that to "pencilled in" so that they can set the date back with less fuss when it becomes necessary. Don't get me wrong, I love what I've seen of WSC, and am really looking forward to the full release, but with the tiny team working on it, I'm not optimistic about release dates. :-(

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:24:32 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:45:49 GMT, "Scott B. Husted" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>The last I was told was Skip Barber was on indefinite hold. > >When did you hear this?? I remember the release date was mid feb '01, >then it was postponed till mid june or july..

High Gear has 15 July as release date.. > Andre "Michael feels the same way about safety in auto racing as I do. Great minds think alike." - David G Fisher

But I'm even cheaper than Greger Huttu ;-) And I am a perfectly *normal* driver, unlike Greger! I really hope that Historic Rally Trophy will become the GPL of rally racing... (Very good physics + nostalgia = racing dream) Bugbear people, the pressure is on your backs now. (grin) cheers Cyrille Greger Huttu <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message : [email hidden]...

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> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:33:39 +0200, Ilari Lehtinen > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >TRUST ME, the physics modeling is gorgeously made. Watching the car > >trundle across a ditch/rough terrain/whatever looks and feels very > >realistic and natural concerning the chassis action. Hard landings from > >jumps makes you gringe from empathy towards the car. > > > >-spikey, working for Bugbear. > > > >p.s. .. And no, my relationship to Bugbear doesn't affect my opinion > >about this game. It's a sight to behold :-) > > If you guys are looking for betatesters, I'm free. And cheap too. ;) > > - Greger

Naturally, we hope for the same thing.. ;) I have this horrible itch of comparing the graphics to the latest big sim out there but considering the number of posts related to that particular game and all the praise it's getting, I'd probably get lynched by a very angry mob. *g* And I believe it'll be JoWood who will handle the beta testing. -spikey cyrille vanlerberghe wrote:

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> > But I'm even cheaper than Greger Huttu ;-) > And I am a perfectly *normal* driver, unlike Greger! > I really hope that Historic Rally Trophy will become the GPL of rally > racing... (Very good physics + nostalgia = racing dream) > Bugbear people, the pressure is on your backs now. (grin) > cheers > Cyrille > > Greger Huttu <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message : > [email hidden]... > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:33:39 +0200, Ilari Lehtinen > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >TRUST ME, the physics modeling is gorgeously made. Watching the car > > >trundle across a ditch/rough terrain/whatever looks and feels very > > >realistic and natural concerning the chassis action. Hard landings from > > >jumps makes you gringe from empathy towards the car. > > > > > >-spikey, working for Bugbear. > > > > > >p.s. .. And no, my relationship to Bugbear doesn't affect my opinion > > >about this game. It's a sight to behold :-) > > > > If you guys are looking for betatesters, I'm free. And cheap too. ;) > > > > - Greger

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