This article was written in September, long before Earnhardt's death.
http://www.thatsracin.com/00/0917/0915autopsies.htm
Again, it's pretty pathetic the way NASCAR handles safety, especially when
compared to F1. Waltrip's quote in the second paragraph is EXACTLY what I
said in my other thread. So I guess Waltrip doesn't have a clue what "real
racing" is all about either? LOL.
The best and the worst thing I can say about some of you guys who responded
in the other thread is that you are very...........average.
Enjoy the article, and from now on when you give an opinion, make sure you
do some research (like really diving into any and all information concerning
NASCAR and F1's approaches to safety). Find out the facts. Do a little work.
Did any of you do any research into F1's safety standards yet? Thought not.
This is my last word (Don) on this subject, so feel free to flame away.
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"It makes me so mad," three-time NASCAR Winston Cup champion Darrell Waltrip
said. "We're so busy. They (NASCAR officials) don't have time to ponder
anything.
"It's just like, `A guy got killed, but it's OK because he was doing what he
likes to do.' I mean, give me a break! (It's like) a guy riding down the
road and he gets shot in the head by some weirdo. (You don't say) `Well, he
was driving down his favorite road.' ... There's no rationale."
What drivers want to know is why NASCAR isn't taking the lead.
"If you were as concerned about safety as you are parity and who's getting
the most downforce, and all those issues, somewhere along the way, we've got
to stop and say, `Hey, we're getting those guys hurt over here,' " Waltrip
said. " `What's going on?' "
David G Fisher
Flame warDavid G Fisher's NASCAR safety criticism draws hostile replies
David G Fisher posted a 2000 article on NASCAR's handling of autopsies and safety, citing a Darrell Waltrip quote as support for his earlier criticism. Others accused him of quoting selectively and the exchange turned to insults. Later posters offered exposure-based statistics comparing NASCAR and F1 and asked whether NASCAR would react to Earnhardt's death as F1 did after Senna's.
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David G Fisher wrote:
> Enjoy the article, and from now on when you give an opinion, make sure you
> do some research (like really diving into any and all information concerning
> NASCAR and F1's approaches to safety). Find out the facts. Do a little work.
Remind us all again please: How many deaths in F1 last year?
"It's just like, `A guy got killed, but it's OK because he was doing what he
likes to do.' I mean, give me a break! (It's like) a guy riding down the
road and he gets shot in the head by some weirdo. (You don't say) `Well, he
was driving down his favourite road.' ... There's no rationale."
Who said this ? D.Waltrip ? He must have been very upset at the time because
this makes no sense at all. Talk about "no rationale". Was he pissed ?
As you quoted him, why don't you explain the logic behind it.
A link to the article is right there in the original post.
David G Fisher
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>
> "It's just like, `A guy got killed, but it's OK because he was doing whathe
> likes to do.' I mean, give me a break! (It's like) a guy riding down the
> road and he gets shot in the head by some weirdo. (You don't say) `Well,he
> was driving down his favourite road.' ... There's no rationale."
>
> Who said this ? D.Waltrip ? He must have been very upset at the timebecause
> this makes no sense at all. Talk about "no rationale". Was he pissed ?
> As you quoted him, why don't you explain the logic behind it.
>
>
redTed wrote:
DGF thinks all NASCAR fans, and I would presume also NASCAR drivers, are
stupid. But when one of them says something he agrees with they suddenly
become great luminaries.
It's a same Waltrip said that, because it give DGF something some else
said to regurgitate on this subject.
Cheers
Gerry
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> > "It's just like, `A guy got killed, but it's OK because he was doing what he > likes to do.' I mean, give me a break! (It's like) a guy riding down the > road and he gets shot in the head by some weirdo. (You don't say) `Well, he > was driving down his favourite road.' ... There's no rationale." > > Who said this ? D.Waltrip ? He must have been very upset at the time because > this makes no sense at all. Talk about "no rationale". Was he pissed ? > As you quoted him, why don't you explain the logic behind it.On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:19:21 -0000, "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote:
Actually, this is a Waltrip quote from September after the second
death at Loudon. David likes to quote it without explanation (like in
the original thread).
It's good to see that DW is now a NASCAR sage (according to DGF).
He used to have the reputation for shooting his mouth off and thinking
later. Reminds me of someone I know...
"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
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>DGF quoted DW: >>"It's just like, `A guy got killed, but it's OK because he was doing what he >>likes to do.' I mean, give me a break! (It's like) a guy riding down the >>road and he gets shot in the head by some weirdo. (You don't say) `Well, he >>was driving down his favourite road.' ... There's no rationale." > >Who said this ? D.Waltrip ? He must have been very upset at the time because >this makes no sense at all. Talk about "no rationale". Was he pissed ? >As you quoted him, why don't you explain the logic behind it.Slowly.
I...put......the.......link........to..........the........whole........artic
le........in.........the........orginal..........post.
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>
> >DGF quoted DW:
> >>"It's just like, `A guy got killed, but it's OK because he was doingwhat he
> >>likes to do.' I mean, give me a break! (It's like) a guy riding down the
> >>road and he gets shot in the head by some weirdo. (You don't say) `Well,he
> >>was driving down his favourite road.' ... There's no rationale."
> >
> >Who said this ? D.Waltrip ? He must have been very upset at the timebecause
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> >this makes no sense at all. Talk about "no rationale". Was he pissed ? > >As you quoted him, why don't you explain the logic behind it. > > Actually, this is a Waltrip quote from September after the second > death at Loudon. David likes to quote it without explanation (like in > the original thread). > > It's good to see that DW is now a NASCAR sage (according to DGF). > He used to have the reputation for shooting his mouth off and thinking > later. Reminds me of someone I know... > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim ClarkOn Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:19:53 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
No, David, you are a total ass.
I said the *original thread*. You remember, the "NASCAR Should Be
Shut Down" thread? The first time you posted the quote?
Below, I've quoted the entire post, headers and all. Show me the
URL you quoted.
Do you usually have problems with reading comprehension?
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The two articles linked to in the one you gave below back up much of
what
I've said. So does Waltrip. I'd like to hear what Waltrip has to say
now
after Earnhardt's death.
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Two drivers are dead and the NASCAR world has moved on, as it often
does in
the face of injuries or fatalities. That has left everyone guessing --
and
worried about their own safety.
"It makes me so mad," three-time NASCAR Winston Cup champion Darrell
Waltrip
said. "We're so busy. They (NASCAR officials) don't have time to
ponder
anything.
"It's just like, `A guy got killed, but it's OK because he was doing
what he
likes to do.' I mean, give me a break! (It's like) a guy riding down
the
road and he gets shot in the head by some weirdo. (You don't say)
`Well, he
was driving down his favorite road.' ... There's no rationale."
What drivers want to know is why NASCAR isn't taking the lead.
"If you were as concerned about safety as you are parity and who's
getting
the most downforce, and all those issues, somewhere along the way,
we've got
to stop and say, `Hey, we're getting those guys hurt over here,' "
Waltrip
said. " `What's going on?' "
David G Fisher
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"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
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>Slowly. > >I...put......the.......link........to..........the........whole........artic >le........in.........the........orginal..........post. > >David G Fisher > > >"Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> >> Actually, this is a Waltrip quote from September after the second >> death at Loudon. David likes to quote it without explanation (like in >> the original thread).Quoted text (10 lines)
> Awesome article! > > http://ojr.usc.edu/content/story.cfm?request=540 > > -- > Scott B. Husted > PA-Scott > The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) > >>> Enjoy the article, and from now on when you give an opinion, make sure you
>> do some research (like really diving into any and all information
>concerning
>> NASCAR and F1's approaches to safety). Find out the facts. Do a little
>work.
You're still not allowing NASCAR to even rectify the situation, like F1 did in
1994, which has been the main push of the posts. So please, stop making a
hypocrite of yourself.
-
Alan
Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
"The Last American Hero"
R.I.P.
In the first line I say to Scott Husted, "The two articles linked to in the
one you gave below back up much of
what I've said."
The reader could then simply scroll down and see the link to Scott's
article. Yes, there were more than two links in Scott's article, so I could
of been more specific, but they definitely were not hard to find even for a
"total ass" like yourself.
David G Fisher
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> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:19:53 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Slowly. > > > >I...put......the.......link........to..........the........whole........artiQuoted text (27 lines)
> >le........in.........the........orginal..........post. > > > >David G Fisher > > > > > >"Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> > >> Actually, this is a Waltrip quote from September after the second > >> death at Loudon. David likes to quote it without explanation (like in > >> the original thread). > > No, David, you are a total ass. > > I said the *original thread*. You remember, the "NASCAR Should Be > Shut Down" thread? The first time you posted the quote? > > Below, I've quoted the entire post, headers and all. Show me the > URL you quoted. > > Do you usually have problems with reading comprehension? > > > ----------start of repost---------- > > Path: >Quoted text (81 lines)
> From: "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> > Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators > References: <DPHk6.464$[email hidden]> > <HAdl6.2899$[email hidden]> > Subject: Re: NASCAR Should Be Shut Down > Lines: 41 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > Message-ID: <Ibfl6.4255$[email hidden]> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:06:48 GMT > NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.11.61.164 > X-Complaints-To: [email hidden] > X-Trace: news1.rdc2.pa.home.com 982876008 24.11.61.164 (Thu, 22 Feb > 2001 13:06:48 PST) > NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:06:48 PST > Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband > http://home.com/faster > Xref: sn-us rec.autos.simulators:332915 > > The two articles linked to in the one you gave below back up much of > what > I've said. So does Waltrip. I'd like to hear what Waltrip has to say > now > after Earnhardt's death. > ----------------------------- > Two drivers are dead and the NASCAR world has moved on, as it often > does in > the face of injuries or fatalities. That has left everyone guessing -- > and > worried about their own safety. > > "It makes me so mad," three-time NASCAR Winston Cup champion Darrell > Waltrip > said. "We're so busy. They (NASCAR officials) don't have time to > ponder > anything. > > "It's just like, `A guy got killed, but it's OK because he was doing > what he > likes to do.' I mean, give me a break! (It's like) a guy riding down > the > road and he gets shot in the head by some weirdo. (You don't say) > `Well, he > was driving down his favorite road.' ... There's no rationale." > > What drivers want to know is why NASCAR isn't taking the lead. > > "If you were as concerned about safety as you are parity and who's > getting > the most downforce, and all those issues, somewhere along the way, > we've got > to stop and say, `Hey, we're getting those guys hurt over here,' " > Waltrip > said. " `What's going on?' " > > David G Fisher > > > > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HAdl6.2899$[email hidden]... > > Awesome article! > > > > http://ojr.usc.edu/content/story.cfm?request=540 > > > > -- > > Scott B. Husted > > PA-Scott > > The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) > > > > > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim ClarkBTW, what is your point anyway? Are you saying I pulled quotes from an
article, but wanted the rest of the article hidden from the readers of the
"original" thread?
If that's the case, then why the hell would I put a link directly to the
same article in my post which started the thread YOU ARE READING NOW?
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> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:19:53 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Slowly. > > > >I...put......the.......link........to..........the........whole........artiQuoted text (27 lines)
> >le........in.........the........orginal..........post. > > > >David G Fisher > > > > > >"Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> > >> Actually, this is a Waltrip quote from September after the second > >> death at Loudon. David likes to quote it without explanation (like in > >> the original thread). > > No, David, you are a total ass. > > I said the *original thread*. You remember, the "NASCAR Should Be > Shut Down" thread? The first time you posted the quote? > > Below, I've quoted the entire post, headers and all. Show me the > URL you quoted. > > Do you usually have problems with reading comprehension? > > > ----------start of repost---------- > > Path: >Quoted text (81 lines)
> From: "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> > Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators > References: <DPHk6.464$[email hidden]> > <HAdl6.2899$[email hidden]> > Subject: Re: NASCAR Should Be Shut Down > Lines: 41 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > Message-ID: <Ibfl6.4255$[email hidden]> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:06:48 GMT > NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.11.61.164 > X-Complaints-To: [email hidden] > X-Trace: news1.rdc2.pa.home.com 982876008 24.11.61.164 (Thu, 22 Feb > 2001 13:06:48 PST) > NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:06:48 PST > Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband > http://home.com/faster > Xref: sn-us rec.autos.simulators:332915 > > The two articles linked to in the one you gave below back up much of > what > I've said. So does Waltrip. I'd like to hear what Waltrip has to say > now > after Earnhardt's death. > ----------------------------- > Two drivers are dead and the NASCAR world has moved on, as it often > does in > the face of injuries or fatalities. That has left everyone guessing -- > and > worried about their own safety. > > "It makes me so mad," three-time NASCAR Winston Cup champion Darrell > Waltrip > said. "We're so busy. They (NASCAR officials) don't have time to > ponder > anything. > > "It's just like, `A guy got killed, but it's OK because he was doing > what he > likes to do.' I mean, give me a break! (It's like) a guy riding down > the > road and he gets shot in the head by some weirdo. (You don't say) > `Well, he > was driving down his favorite road.' ... There's no rationale." > > What drivers want to know is why NASCAR isn't taking the lead. > > "If you were as concerned about safety as you are parity and who's > getting > the most downforce, and all those issues, somewhere along the way, > we've got > to stop and say, `Hey, we're getting those guys hurt over here,' " > Waltrip > said. " `What's going on?' " > > David G Fisher > > > > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HAdl6.2899$[email hidden]... > > Awesome article! > > > > http://ojr.usc.edu/content/story.cfm?request=540 > > > > -- > > Scott B. Husted > > PA-Scott > > The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) > > > > > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark>I...put......the.......link........to..........the........whole........artic
>le........in.........the........orginal..........post.
You still didn't give an explaination as to where the quote was pulled,
intentionally doing so in order to drum up support from thos who neither read
the passage or read it completely.
-
Alan
Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001:
"The Last American Hero"
R.I.P.
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:55:48 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>This article was written in September, long before Earnhardt's death.
The article says they BURIED Adam Petty's car?
Anyone know the story behind that?
Tim
I think it's pretty hurtful to bash some people hero's like that. Alot of guys
here view Jimmy Clark, Graham Hill, Jack Brabham et al as their childhood
hero's. I'm only 20 years old but I sure do respect those men from the 60's /
70's.
>>I have said on thisnewsgroup before that I didn't think the F1 drivers of the '60's as modeled
in GPL were brave, heroic or "real" drivers because they raced knowing death
was a real possibility. I think they were simply foolish people who didn't
value their lives very much.<<
That pissed me off. It must suck to be you, to have no sense of adventure or
passion, or romance about motor racing.
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> This article was written in September, long before Earnhardt's death. > > http://www.thatsracin.com/00/0917/0915autopsies.htm > > Again, it's pretty pathetic the way NASCAR handles safety, especially when > compared to F1. Waltrip's quote in the second paragraph is EXACTLY what I > said in my other thread. So I guess Waltrip doesn't have a clue what "real > racing" is all about either? LOL. > > The best and the worst thing I can say about some of you guys who responded > in the other thread is that you are very...........average. > > Enjoy the article, and from now on when you give an opinion, make sure you > do some research (like really diving into any and all information concerning > NASCAR and F1's approaches to safety). Find out the facts. Do a little work. > Did any of you do any research into F1's safety standards yet? Thought not. > > This is my last word (Don) on this subject, so feel free to flame away. > ------------------- > "It makes me so mad," three-time NASCAR Winston Cup champion Darrell Waltrip > said. "We're so busy. They (NASCAR officials) don't have time to ponder > anything. > > "It's just like, `A guy got killed, but it's OK because he was doing what he > likes to do.' I mean, give me a break! (It's like) a guy riding down the > road and he gets shot in the head by some weirdo. (You don't say) `Well, he > was driving down his favorite road.' ... There's no rationale." > > What drivers want to know is why NASCAR isn't taking the lead. > > "If you were as concerned about safety as you are parity and who's getting > the most downforce, and all those issues, somewhere along the way, we've got > to stop and say, `Hey, we're getting those guys hurt over here,' " Waltrip > said. " `What's going on?' " > > David G FisherJust post the FREAKIN thing. Geez...
-Larry
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> In the first line I say to Scott Husted, "The two articles linked to inthe
> one you gave below back up much of
> what I've said."
>
> The reader could then simply scroll down and see the link to Scott's
> article. Yes, there were more than two links in Scott's article, so Icould
> of been more specific, but they definitely were not hard to find even fora
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> "total ass" like yourself. > > David G Fisher > > > "Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:19:53 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > >Slowly. > > > > > > >I...put......the.......link........to..........the........whole........arti > c > > >le........in.........the........orginal..........post. > > > > > >David G Fisher > > > > > > > > >"Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:[email hidden]... > > >> > > >> Actually, this is a Waltrip quote from September after the second > > >> death at Loudon. David likes to quote it without explanation (likeQuoted text (18 lines)
> > >> the original thread). > > > > No, David, you are a total ass. > > > > I said the *original thread*. You remember, the "NASCAR Should Be > > Shut Down" thread? The first time you posted the quote? > > > > Below, I've quoted the entire post, headers and all. Show me the > > URL you quoted. > > > > Do you usually have problems with reading comprehension? > > > > > > ----------start of repost---------- > > > > Path: > > >Quoted text (83 lines)
> 1.rdc2.pa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > > From: "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> > > Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators > > References: <DPHk6.464$[email hidden]> > > <HAdl6.2899$[email hidden]> > > Subject: Re: NASCAR Should Be Shut Down > > Lines: 41 > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > X-Priority: 3 > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > Message-ID: <Ibfl6.4255$[email hidden]> > > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:06:48 GMT > > NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.11.61.164 > > X-Complaints-To: [email hidden] > > X-Trace: news1.rdc2.pa.home.com 982876008 24.11.61.164 (Thu, 22 Feb > > 2001 13:06:48 PST) > > NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:06:48 PST > > Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband > > http://home.com/faster > > Xref: sn-us rec.autos.simulators:332915 > > > > The two articles linked to in the one you gave below back up much of > > what > > I've said. So does Waltrip. I'd like to hear what Waltrip has to say > > now > > after Earnhardt's death. > > ----------------------------- > > Two drivers are dead and the NASCAR world has moved on, as it often > > does in > > the face of injuries or fatalities. That has left everyone guessing -- > > and > > worried about their own safety. > > > > "It makes me so mad," three-time NASCAR Winston Cup champion Darrell > > Waltrip > > said. "We're so busy. They (NASCAR officials) don't have time to > > ponder > > anything. > > > > "It's just like, `A guy got killed, but it's OK because he was doing > > what he > > likes to do.' I mean, give me a break! (It's like) a guy riding down > > the > > road and he gets shot in the head by some weirdo. (You don't say) > > `Well, he > > was driving down his favorite road.' ... There's no rationale." > > > > What drivers want to know is why NASCAR isn't taking the lead. > > > > "If you were as concerned about safety as you are parity and who's > > getting > > the most downforce, and all those issues, somewhere along the way, > > we've got > > to stop and say, `Hey, we're getting those guys hurt over here,' " > > Waltrip > > said. " `What's going on?' " > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:HAdl6.2899$[email hidden]... > > > Awesome article! > > > > > > http://ojr.usc.edu/content/story.cfm?request=540 > > > > > > -- > > > Scott B. Husted > > > PA-Scott > > > The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) > > > > > > > > > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark >For the third time, it's in the very FIRST post of this thread. Geez.....
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> Just post the FREAKIN thing. Geez... > > -Larry > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cBjl6.5399$[email hidden]... > > In the first line I say to Scott Husted, "The two articles linked to in > the > > one you gave below back up much of > > what I've said." > > > > The reader could then simply scroll down and see the link to Scott's > > article. Yes, there were more than two links in Scott's article, so I > could > > of been more specific, but they definitely were not hard to find evenQuoted text (27 lines)
> a > > "total ass" like yourself. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:19:53 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Slowly. > > > > > > > > > > >I...put......the.......link........to..........the........whole........arti > > c > > > >le........in.........the........orginal..........post. > > > > > > > >David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > >"Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > >news:[email hidden]... > > > >> > > > >> Actually, this is a Waltrip quote from September after theQuoted text (21 lines)
> > > >> death at Loudon. David likes to quote it without explanation (like > in > > > >> the original thread). > > > > > > No, David, you are a total ass. > > > > > > I said the *original thread*. You remember, the "NASCAR Should Be > > > Shut Down" thread? The first time you posted the quote? > > > > > > Below, I've quoted the entire post, headers and all. Show me the > > > URL you quoted. > > > > > > Do you usually have problems with reading comprehension? > > > > > > > > > ----------start of repost---------- > > > > > > Path: > > > > > >Quoted text (85 lines)
> > 1.rdc2.pa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail > > > From: "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> > > > Newsgroups: rec.autos.simulators > > > References: <DPHk6.464$[email hidden]> > > > <HAdl6.2899$[email hidden]> > > > Subject: Re: NASCAR Should Be Shut Down > > > Lines: 41 > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > X-Priority: 3 > > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > > Message-ID: <Ibfl6.4255$[email hidden]> > > > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:06:48 GMT > > > NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.11.61.164 > > > X-Complaints-To: [email hidden] > > > X-Trace: news1.rdc2.pa.home.com 982876008 24.11.61.164 (Thu, 22 Feb > > > 2001 13:06:48 PST) > > > NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:06:48 PST > > > Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband > > > http://home.com/faster > > > Xref: sn-us rec.autos.simulators:332915 > > > > > > The two articles linked to in the one you gave below back up much of > > > what > > > I've said. So does Waltrip. I'd like to hear what Waltrip has to say > > > now > > > after Earnhardt's death. > > > ----------------------------- > > > Two drivers are dead and the NASCAR world has moved on, as it often > > > does in > > > the face of injuries or fatalities. That has left everyone guessing -- > > > and > > > worried about their own safety. > > > > > > "It makes me so mad," three-time NASCAR Winston Cup champion Darrell > > > Waltrip > > > said. "We're so busy. They (NASCAR officials) don't have time to > > > ponder > > > anything. > > > > > > "It's just like, `A guy got killed, but it's OK because he was doing > > > what he > > > likes to do.' I mean, give me a break! (It's like) a guy riding down > > > the > > > road and he gets shot in the head by some weirdo. (You don't say) > > > `Well, he > > > was driving down his favorite road.' ... There's no rationale." > > > > > > What drivers want to know is why NASCAR isn't taking the lead. > > > > > > "If you were as concerned about safety as you are parity and who's > > > getting > > > the most downforce, and all those issues, somewhere along the way, > > > we've got > > > to stop and say, `Hey, we're getting those guys hurt over here,' " > > > Waltrip > > > said. " `What's going on?' " > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:HAdl6.2899$[email hidden]... > > > > Awesome article! > > > > > > > > http://ojr.usc.edu/content/story.cfm?request=540 > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Scott B. Husted > > > > PA-Scott > > > > The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > > > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > > > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark > > > >On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:17:30 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>For the third time, it's in the very FIRST post of this thread. Geez.....
"The life of a super genius is just so frustrating, having to deal
with so many idiots..." -- Calvin
"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:07:04 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
DGF: "But the article has been available from your local web browser
for the last five months."
Arthur Dent: "Oh, yes, well, as soon as I heard I went straight round
to see it, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your
way to call attention to it, had you? I mean, like actually telling
anybody or anything."
DGF: "But the article was on display..."
Arthur Dent: "On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar
to find it."
DGF: "That's the display department."
Arthur Dent: "With a flashlight."
DGF: "Ah, well, the lights had probably gone."
Arthur Dent: "So had the stairs."
DGF: "But look, you found the article, didn't you?"
Arthur Dent: "Yes, yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a
locked file cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the
door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.' "
"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
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>In the first line I say to Scott Husted, "The two articles linked to in the >one you gave below back up much of >what I've said." > >The reader could then simply scroll down and see the link to Scott's >article. Yes, there were more than two links in Scott's article, so I could >of been more specific, but they definitely were not hard to find even for a >"total ass" like yourself.>"Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote
> "The life of a super genius is just so frustrating, having to deal
> with so many idiots..." -- Calvin
How two great minds go together well... ;-)
-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
-- vvvvvvv
-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how
hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:50:45 GMT, [email hidden] (Jeff Vincent)
wrote:
>Arthur Dent: "Oh, yes, well, as soon as I heard I went straight round
>to see it, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your
>way to call attention to it, had you? I mean, like actually telling
>anybody or anything."
:-)
A long time since I'd read that!
John
On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 02:59:58 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
I am eagerly awaiting the appearance of Le Chicken to formally kill
this thread. :)
"But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was
nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into
a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark
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>>"Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote >> "The life of a super genius is just so frustrating, having to deal >> with so many idiots..." -- Calvin > >How two great minds go together well... ;-) > >-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> >-- vvvvvvv >-- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how >hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.While you troll about the usenet groups, why don't you do a little
research or at least basic math yourself?
Forgive me if this has been covered already, but I have gotten quite
tired of reading the trash that these threads have spawned. I wondered
if anyone has really taken a look at the numbers rather than just make
grand statements with nothing to back it up.
Now hear me out for a moment. I mean no disrespect to anyone (despite my
opening tone) and by no means do I wish to proclaim one form of racing as
superior to another. I will watch almost any form of motorsports and in
my own view anyone who truly believes that one form is completely
superior to another is just plain ignorant.
I also do not mean to trivialize any racing accident. ANY injury or
fatality is too many. This is a dangerous business and it does happen.
It remains a risk in ALL forms of auto racing but the goal should always
be zero serious injuries.
Now if somebody can provide more accurate numbers than this, please do
so.
I have seen it written lately by various individuals that F1's safety
record is far superior to that of Nascar. This did not ring true to me.
Obviously 4 deaths in one year compared to 2 in either '82 or '94 makes
Nascar seem twice as bad. But Nascar and F1 seasons are not created
equally.
This year (according to http://www.f1-live.com/en/ ) we will have 17
F1 events, with 22 drivers, each one around 200 miles. Again this is a
rough estimate, if anyone has the real mileage please correct the numbers
as I would love to see them. This brings us to an estimated total of
74,800 potential driver/miles raced.
According to the Nascar Winston cup schedule
(http://www.nascar.com/RACE/winston/schedule/) there are 39 events with
43 drivers averaging (I think) just over 400 miles per event but I will
use 400 as a nice round number. This is a potential 670,800 driver/miles
raced.
By these numbers, Nascar will cover enough driver/miles to amount to
almost 9 full F1 seasons.
Of course these potentials are never reached. Accidents, mechanical
failures, and drivers who go get lapped and do not complete the full
distance all take away from the potential maximum. I also am using these
current schedules for all of my math, and not accounting for the
differing schedules from year to year.
Three deaths (Yes three, I'll get to that in a second) in Nascar in the
amount of time (Driver/miles) that F1 has driven since 1992. Neither one
looks superior using that measure.
I say three because Tony Roper was not racing a cup car, I think he was
racing a truck though I could be mistaken. If you quote the figure of
four deaths for Nascar then you are counting other racing series that are
handled by the same sanctioning body. 33 Busch races (about 250 miles
each) and 24 truck races (about 200 each with 36 entries) brings the
yearly Nascar total up to 16 times the driver/miles of an F1 season.
CNNSI:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/motorsports/2001/daytona500/news/2001/02
/18/racing_deaths/
Reports 10 Nascar deaths back to 1989, and 4 F1 deaths back to 1982.
1997 is the last year there was a fatality in Nascar before 2000. Since
that time, Nascar has raced 3 full seasons (48 F1 seasons, in
Driver/miles). Have there been fewer than 4 deaths in 48 years of Grand
Prix racing? F1 does not look safe at all now.
F1 has done a good job lately, if you count drivers only and not the poor
guy who was killed at Monza last year, but how can you call F1 superior
when they allow a spectator to run across the track in the middle of a
race? You cannot guarantee that there will not be another fatality in
F1, and every single driver knows in the back of his mind that when he
straps into that car in Australia on Sunday he may not climb out. Also
remember that even the recent good fortune of F1 did not come about until
we all lost Senna. Yes ALL true race fans lost Senna, just as ALL true
race fans lost Earnhardt. Whether I watch a particular series or not it
breaks my heart to learn of a serious racing accident.
By any stretch of the imagination Nascar has had a horrible year, but it
takes a truly low individual to use this tragedy as an opportunity to
disparage others.
I just had to get that off my chest. I do not belive that any one
particular series is better than the other, they are just different. To
say that F1 over any statistically meaningful timespan is far safer than
Nascar demonstrates nothing but ignorance. If anyone ever feels inclined
to do some more research I would like to see the results. I would also
be interested if anyone knows of any good online resources for more
information.
Either way, it's still a dangerous business.
well said, EvilRob.
your words don't portray you as very evil, though...hehe.
in my previous post, my math may not have been so accurate, but i, like you,
needed to get it off my chest.
i wish to only advocate the fullest potential of ALL drivers' safety. no
ifs, ands, or buts.
I think you've got a lot of nerve talking sensibly about this in a
newsgroup! LOL Good post. Personally, I never did subscribe to
the lone gunman theory...
Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
brettDOTcammack@worldnetDOTattDOTnet
(remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)
"EvilRob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> While you troll about the usenet groups, why don't you do a little
> research or at least basic math yourself?
As you're seeking comments, here's one... Be less confrontational.
I personally prefer the "myth debunker" image. :-)
> Forgive me if this has been covered already, but I have gotten quite
> tired of reading the trash that these threads have spawned. Iwondered
> if anyone has really taken a look at the numbers rather than just make
> grand statements with nothing to back it up.
I have a few observations to make too, I'll leave that later. Suffice to
say,
the public have short memories.
[snip]
> I have seen it written lately by various individuals that F1's safety
> record is far superior to that of Nascar. This did not ring true tome.
> Obviously 4 deaths in one year compared to 2 in either '82 or '94makes
> Nascar seem twice as bad. But Nascar and F1 seasons are not created
> equally.
They are NOT comparable, PERIOD.
> This year (according to http://www.f1-live.com/en/ ) we will have 17
> F1 events, with 22 drivers, each one around 200 miles. Again this isa
> rough estimate, if anyone has the real mileage please correct thenumbers
> as I would love to see them. This brings us to an estimated total of
> 74,800 potential driver/miles raced.
> According to the Nascar Winston cup schedule
> (http://www.nascar.com/RACE/winston/schedule/) there are 39 eventswith
> 43 drivers averaging (I think) just over 400 miles per event but Iwill
> use 400 as a nice round number. This is a potential 670,800driver/miles
> raced.
The two cannot be compared at all. Here's a couple more factoids. :-)
F1 event rarely exceed 150 mph. Most events average a bit over 100 mph,
and are usually done on road courses that holds speed down even further.
Of course, you may have to count F2 and F3 as well if you do that...
NASCAR events are run on ovals, and often super speedways, where
speeds exceed 200 mph. Only one or two events are held on road
courses such as Sears Point.
NASCAR also have pre-races (Saturday's 125 mile race). Don't forget
the separate Winston Cup, Busch Series, and Craftsman Truck Series.
Altogether, that's a LOT of events.
F1 (and Indy Cars) are open wheel racers. They don't "draft", and
drafting on road courses is meaningless any way.
You HAVE to know drafting in NASCAR, esp. on the "restrictor plate"
courses.
Comparing the two are comparing apples and oranges. It makes no
sense at all.
--KC
Yes, I must apologize for the confrontational nature of my post. As I
stated I meant no offense to anyone but I did not exactly compose the
entire post in that manner.
A couple of notes:
Winston Cup runs 2 road races, 1 each at Watkins Glen and Sears Point.
Busch Runs Watkins Glen. I thought the trucks ran one road course, but I
don't see it on the schedule this year. I did count the 125's in the
number of events and towards average driver/miles.
I did not count F2 and F3 since I did not have a schedule handy and am
not as familiar with the rules such as race length, number of drivers
etc. For this same reason I did not count many other stock car series
such as ASA, Winston West, Featherlight Modifieds, etc.
Indycars do draft on ovals when they race them. The CART race at
Michigan is usually filled with many slingshot passes. The IRL I believe
mandated the use of a higher-drag rear wing last year before racing at
Atlanta Motor Speedway that created quite a few lead changes; Very
similiar to the aero package used at the last Nascar races at Daytona and
Talladega.
Thanks for your comments.
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Ok, But F1 changed after Senna's death, will nascar change ?
Will they improve the safety to avoid other things like this to
happen or not ?
Did they change something already ?
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Either way, it's still a dangerous business.
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> While you troll about the usenet groups, why don't you do a little > research or at least basic math yourself? > > Forgive me if this has been covered already, but I have gotten > quite tired of reading the trash that these threads have spawned. > I wondered if anyone has really taken a look at the numbers rather > than just make grand statements with nothing to back it up. > > Now hear me out for a moment. I mean no disrespect to anyone > (despite my opening tone) and by no means do I wish to proclaim > one form of racing as superior to another. I will watch almost > any form of motorsports and in my own view anyone who truly > believes that one form is completely superior to another is just > plain ignorant. > > I also do not mean to trivialize any racing accident. ANY injury > or fatality is too many. This is a dangerous business and it does > happen. It remains a risk in ALL forms of auto racing but the > goal should always be zero serious injuries. > > Now if somebody can provide more accurate numbers than this, please > do so. > > I have seen it written lately by various individuals that F1's > safety record is far superior to that of Nascar. This did not > ring true to me. Obviously 4 deaths in one year compared to 2 in > either '82 or '94 makes Nascar seem twice as bad. But Nascar and > F1 seasons are not created equally. > > This year (according to http://www.f1-live.com/en/ ) we will have > 17 F1 events, with 22 drivers, each one around 200 miles. Again > this is a rough estimate, if anyone has the real mileage please > correct the numbers as I would love to see them. This brings us > to an estimated total of 74,800 potential driver/miles raced. > > According to the Nascar Winston cup schedule > (http://www.nascar.com/RACE/winston/schedule/) there are 39 events > with 43 drivers averaging (I think) just over 400 miles per event > but I will use 400 as a nice round number. This is a potential > 670,800 driver/miles raced. > > By these numbers, Nascar will cover enough driver/miles to amount > to almost 9 full F1 seasons. > > Of course these potentials are never reached. Accidents, > mechanical failures, and drivers who go get lapped and do not > complete the full distance all take away from the potential > maximum. I also am using these current schedules for all of my > math, and not accounting for the > differing schedules from year to year. > > Three deaths (Yes three, I'll get to that in a second) in Nascar in > the amount of time (Driver/miles) that F1 has driven since 1992. > Neither one looks superior using that measure. > > I say three because Tony Roper was not racing a cup car, I think he > was racing a truck though I could be mistaken. If you quote the > figure of four deaths for Nascar then you are counting other > racing series that are handled by the same sanctioning body. 33 > Busch races (about 250 miles each) and 24 truck races (about 200 > each with 36 entries) brings the yearly Nascar total up to 16 > times the driver/miles of an F1 season. > > CNNSI: > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/motorsports/2001/daytona500/news/20 > 01/02 /18/racing_deaths/ > Reports 10 Nascar deaths back to 1989, and 4 F1 deaths back to > 1982. 1997 is the last year there was a fatality in Nascar before > 2000. Since that time, Nascar has raced 3 full seasons (48 F1 > seasons, in > Driver/miles). Have there been fewer than 4 deaths in 48 years of > Grand Prix racing? F1 does not look safe at all now. > > F1 has done a good job lately, if you count drivers only and not > the poor guy who was killed at Monza last year, but how can you > call F1 superior when they allow a spectator to run across the > track in the middle of a race? You cannot guarantee that there > will not be another fatality in F1, and every single driver knows > in the back of his mind that when he straps into that car in > Australia on Sunday he may not climb out. Also remember that even > the recent good fortune of F1 did not come about until we all lost > Senna. Yes ALL true race fans lost Senna, just as ALL true race > fans lost Earnhardt. Whether I watch a particular series or not it > breaks my heart to learn of a serious racing accident. > > By any stretch of the imagination Nascar has had a horrible year, > but it takes a truly low individual to use this tragedy as an > opportunity to disparage others. > > I just had to get that off my chest. I do not belive that any one > particular series is better than the other, they are just > different. To say that F1 over any statistically meaningful > timespan is far safer than Nascar demonstrates nothing but > ignorance. If anyone ever feels inclined to do some more research > I would like to see the results. I would also be interested if > anyone knows of any good online resources for more information. >Txl is on to something. We have a wonderful person giving us stats...wow
thanks for the info. Now what will be done to help prevent these crashes
from happening again? If you want to compare the 2 series, you might
consider researching the # of deaths from x years back compared to modern
day numbers for each series and see which one has done the most to make its
racing safer. The 2 series can't be compared by straight up death
count/miles as Kasey said. Just the mere fact that F1 is open wheel and
open cockpit vs. Nascar which is closed wheel and closed cockpit changes
everything. The F1 cars are more dangerous from the start...so instead of
comparing how safe the cars are now, compare how much the cars have been
changed to make them safer.
JB
"Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ok, But F1 changed after Senna's death, will nascar change ? > > Will they improve the safety to avoid other things like this to > happen or not ? > > Did they change something already ? > > > "EvilRob" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message > news: MPG.150614685f7a2bfd98968d@news-server... > > While you troll about the usenet groups, why don't you do a little > > research or at least basic math yourself? > > > > Forgive me if this has been covered already, but I have gotten > > quite tired of reading the trash that these threads have spawned. > > I wondered if anyone has really taken a look at the numbers rather > > than just make grand statements with nothing to back it up. > > > > Now hear me out for a moment. I mean no disrespect to anyone > > (despite my opening tone) and by no means do I wish to proclaim > > one form of racing as superior to another. I will watch almost > > any form of motorsports and in my own view anyone who truly > > believes that one form is completely superior to another is just > > plain ignorant. > > > > I also do not mean to trivialize any racing accident. ANY injury > > or fatality is too many. This is a dangerous business and it does > > happen. It remains a risk in ALL forms of auto racing but the > > goal should always be zero serious injuries. > > > > Now if somebody can provide more accurate numbers than this, please > > do so. > > > > I have seen it written lately by various individuals that F1's > > safety record is far superior to that of Nascar. This did not > > ring true to me. Obviously 4 deaths in one year compared to 2 in > > either '82 or '94 makes Nascar seem twice as bad. But Nascar and > > F1 seasons are not created equally. > > > > This year (according to http://www.f1-live.com/en/ ) we will have > > 17 F1 events, with 22 drivers, each one around 200 miles. Again > > this is a rough estimate, if anyone has the real mileage please > > correct the numbers as I would love to see them. This brings us > > to an estimated total of 74,800 potential driver/miles raced. > > > > According to the Nascar Winston cup schedule > > (http://www.nascar.com/RACE/winston/schedule/) there are 39 events > > with 43 drivers averaging (I think) just over 400 miles per event > > but I will use 400 as a nice round number. This is a potential > > 670,800 driver/miles raced. > > > > By these numbers, Nascar will cover enough driver/miles to amount > > to almost 9 full F1 seasons. > > > > Of course these potentials are never reached. Accidents, > > mechanical failures, and drivers who go get lapped and do not > > complete the full distance all take away from the potential > > maximum. I also am using these current schedules for all of my > > math, and not accounting for the > > differing schedules from year to year. > > > > Three deaths (Yes three, I'll get to that in a second) in Nascar in > > the amount of time (Driver/miles) that F1 has driven since 1992. > > Neither one looks superior using that measure. > > > > I say three because Tony Roper was not racing a cup car, I think he > > was racing a truck though I could be mistaken. If you quote the > > figure of four deaths for Nascar then you are counting other > > racing series that are handled by the same sanctioning body. 33 > > Busch races (about 250 miles each) and 24 truck races (about 200 > > each with 36 entries) brings the yearly Nascar total up to 16 > > times the driver/miles of an F1 season. > > > > CNNSI: > > http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/motorsports/2001/daytona500/news/20 > > 01/02 /18/racing_deaths/ > > Reports 10 Nascar deaths back to 1989, and 4 F1 deaths back to > > 1982. 1997 is the last year there was a fatality in Nascar before > > 2000. Since that time, Nascar has raced 3 full seasons (48 F1 > > seasons, in > > Driver/miles). Have there been fewer than 4 deaths in 48 years of > > Grand Prix racing? F1 does not look safe at all now. > > > > F1 has done a good job lately, if you count drivers only and not > > the poor guy who was killed at Monza last year, but how can you > > call F1 superior when they allow a spectator to run across the > > track in the middle of a race? You cannot guarantee that there > > will not be another fatality in F1, and every single driver knows > > in the back of his mind that when he straps into that car in > > Australia on Sunday he may not climb out. Also remember that even > > the recent good fortune of F1 did not come about until we all lost > > Senna. Yes ALL true race fans lost Senna, just as ALL true race > > fans lost Earnhardt. Whether I watch a particular series or not it > > breaks my heart to learn of a serious racing accident. > > > > By any stretch of the imagination Nascar has had a horrible year, > > but it takes a truly low individual to use this tragedy as an > > opportunity to disparage others. > > > > I just had to get that off my chest. I do not belive that any one > > particular series is better than the other, they are just > > different. To say that F1 over any statistically meaningful > > timespan is far safer than Nascar demonstrates nothing but > > ignorance. If anyone ever feels inclined to do some more research > > I would like to see the results. I would also be interested if > > anyone knows of any good online resources for more information. > > > Either way, it's still a dangerous business. > > - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use > <http://www.pgp.com> > > iQA/AwUBOpznPAhv7FFac7/nEQIDtwCgn2NRDjtfrWB+E13Gkfqq2i7RcbsAoK+E > 0iHG8UEzoQyb/wB6+6sutFRt > =FvRj > - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> > > iQA/AwUBOpznSAhv7FFac7/nEQKZ4gCfZqVeOMx6EVfFnxIWMEKTzwucxy0An3fc > 1TXHDsy2JzxKKzVEer5eytFJ > =LbXI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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I'm not into "something" I just want to know i nascar will react to
earnhardt's death the way F1 reacted to senna's.
We had long thread about the statistics and there is no point in
starting them again with the "driver miles" or the "driver start", I
think that racing so fats, so close to a wall, on a racetrack that
hasn't been modified if a long time in terms of safety in more
dangerous than racing on a well prepared place, will a lot of gravel
patches to slow the car before you hit an obstacle should something
goes wrong, but this is my personal point of vue, I am a bit tired of
these kind of threads "DGF is good" or "DGF is bad", now is the time
to look at the FACTS :
Fact 1: Some nascar half god died in a crash
Fact 2: There are interrogations whether this could have been
prevented (hans device, restrictor plate making for "artificially
close" races, etc...)
Question: WIll the governing body of nascar change something or not ?
that's an easy question, no implications, just yes or no...
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