Fox & NASCAR a doomed match?

Greets, I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get through this together. Later, Tony Long

You must have never really been a "true" NASCAR fan... I have been attending NASCAR events since 1978 one year before Earnhardt started the series... This tragedy has always been present... I will not "Quit" watching because we have faced the inevitable... Dale would not have "Quit", I assure you... Sure, the sport has taken a big blow, but somehow, I don't think Dale would really want to retire the #3... NASCAR will survive this... Dale Jr. will run this weekend to honor his father and his fathers wishes, we should take heed to his message and continue on... Dale would want it that way... Let's Honor Dale by keeping the #3 on the track... That's where it belongs, on the track!!! Rest in Peace Dale and God's speed Dave Long Tony <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Greets, > I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share > these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied > their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their > association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the > Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something > wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things > were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first > race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is > very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my > head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail > out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just > what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if > the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the > many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the > stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice > made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just > not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the > sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws > us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells > within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to > know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that > they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of > all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get > through this together. > Later, > Tony Long

Coverage would be ok if: 1. They'd get Waltrip to talk less. 2. Eliminate that nauseating banner/ribbon across the screen during coverage. Arc "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Fox didn't cause Earnhardt's crash. I didn't get to see the entire > broadcast, but I was pretty impressed with Fox's work on the race. > They had lots of in car cameras, and a cool, sweeping camera that > followed the cars down the track from the infield. > I was expecting the worst from the commentators based on Fox's > over-done football coverage, but thought they did a good job. > > Tim > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:36:49 GMT, Tony > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Greets, > >I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share > >these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied > >their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their > >association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the > >Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something > >wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things > >were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first > >race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is > >very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my > >head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail > >out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just > >what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if > >the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the > >many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the > >stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice > >made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just > >not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the > >sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws > >us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells > >within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to > >know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that > >they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of > >all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get > >through this together. > >Later, > >Tony Long >

they should not retire the #3 they should leave it as it is.did they retire the #7 because alan died?r the #28 because davie died?these guys were great drivers also they should leave it as it is stick a driver in there and go race that's what dale would have done thatswhat he would have wanted .the show must go on

and at least they didn't hire buddy baker. now those of us outside of alabama can actually understand the commentary. Tim O <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Fox didn't cause Earnhardt's crash. I didn't get to see the entire > broadcast, but I was pretty impressed with Fox's work on the race. > They had lots of in car cameras, and a cool, sweeping camera that > followed the cars down the track from the infield. > I was expecting the worst from the commentators based on Fox's > over-done football coverage, but thought they did a good job. > > Tim > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:36:49 GMT, Tony > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Greets, > >I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share > >these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied > >their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their > >association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the > >Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something > >wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things > >were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first > >race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is > >very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my > >head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail > >out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just > >what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if > >the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the > >many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the > >stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice > >made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just > >not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the > >sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws > >us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells > >within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to > >know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that > >they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of > >all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get > >through this together. > >Later, > >Tony Long >

"Tony" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Greets, > I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share I think you are full of crap. But anyway, does anyone know if Fox picked up the F1 season again this year? I haven't heard a word about who is televising F1 in america. -- [email hidden]

"David W. Long" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:r2ol6.53558$[email hidden]... > You must have never really been a "true" NASCAR fan... I have beenattending > NASCAR events since 1978 one year before Earnhardt started the series... > This tragedy has always been present... I will not "Quit" watchingbecause Agreed. Lets not forget, that Dale was blocking and really took the risk himself. He put many people in the wall himself in his carreer. I firmly beleive that if he were racing for real instead of blocking, he would not be dead. As for the #3, who in the hell would drive it? -- [email hidden] > we have faced the inevitable... Dale would not have "Quit", I assure you... > Sure, the sport has taken a big blow, but somehow, I don't think Dale would > really want to retire the #3... NASCAR will survive this... Dale Jr. will > run this weekend to honor his father and his fathers wishes, we should take > heed to his message and continue on... Dale would want it that way... > > Let's Honor Dale by keeping the #3 on the track... That's where it belongs, > on the track!!! > > Rest in Peace Dale and God's speed > > Dave Long > > > > Tony <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Greets, > > I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share > > these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied > > their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their > > association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the > > Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something > > wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things > > were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first > > race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is > > very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my > > head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail > > out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just > > what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if > > the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the > > many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the > > stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice > > made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just > > not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the > > sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws > > us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells > > within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to > > know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that > > they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of > > all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get > > through this together. > > Later, > > Tony Long > >

Fox was not the problem last sunday at all. -- [email hidden] "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Fox didn't cause Earnhardt's crash. I didn't get to see the entire > broadcast, but I was pretty impressed with Fox's work on the race. > They had lots of in car cameras, and a cool, sweeping camera that > followed the cars down the track from the infield. > I was expecting the worst from the commentators based on Fox's > over-done football coverage, but thought they did a good job. > > Tim > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:36:49 GMT, Tony > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Greets, > >I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share > >these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied > >their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their > >association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the > >Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something > >wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things > >were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first > >race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is > >very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my > >head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail > >out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just > >what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if > >the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the > >many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the > >stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice > >made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just > >not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the > >sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws > >us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells > >within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to > >know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that > >they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of > >all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get > >through this together. > >Later, > >Tony Long >

> > As for the #3, who in the hell would drive it? > To my mind, the #3 in NASCAR is like the #99 in Hockey, or the Bulls #23 in Basketball. Other drivers will not go near that number for a long, long time.

Fox didn't cause Earnhardt's crash. I didn't get to see the entire broadcast, but I was pretty impressed with Fox's work on the race. They had lots of in car cameras, and a cool, sweeping camera that followed the cars down the track from the infield. I was expecting the worst from the commentators based on Fox's over-done football coverage, but thought they did a good job. Tim On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:36:49 GMT, Tony <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Greets, >I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share >these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied >their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their >association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the >Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something >wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things >were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first >race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is >very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my >head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail >out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just >what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if >the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the >many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the >stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice >made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just >not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the >sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws >us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells >within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to >know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that >they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of >all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get >through this together. >Later, >Tony Long

Tony wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >Greets, >I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share >these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied >their way into the F1 spotlight bullied??? huh?? Money talks. > and I get the same feeling about their >association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the >Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something >wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Here we go again, everyone knew that the crazies were just looking to jump on that. Geeez, get original. > Things >were going fairly good with the series before. No they weren't, coverage sucked and attendance has plummeted to around 40%. Do you know what you are talking about? >But, now (in the first >race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is >very clouded and surreal. What's clouded? What's surreal? A race, someone died, and there will be a race next weekend and we will all watch it, no matter what station carries it. > I have many thoughts bouncing around in my >head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail >out. You need to stop thinking; bail out? Everyone will be there next week, want to bet on it? Except DE, of course. > Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die.You sound like a wussy pussy, hopefully you. >Thoughts of just >what this series is actually about. It's not about fans like you. > In retrospect, it seems almost as if >the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Geez, you finally figured that out, what a rocket scientist you are. >Witness the >many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the >stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice >made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. Holy shit!!! Are you some strugling sad ass poet? Nascar empire??? What the fuck are you talking about? > I'm just >not sure I can remain behind the series. Good!!!! Thank God and while you're not going to follow the series anymore, don't post here while you're at it. >But, damn, what is it that really draws >us to this world? Holy shit!!! Go die somewhere! >I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells >within us all. No, it seems that it definitely dwells in you though - sicko!!! >Please forgive me if I've offended you. Actually, you offend in general but most of all you offended yourself. > But I have to >know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that >they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of >all it's gladiators who die in battle. Of course, they only have a limited amount of numbers worth having. Gladiators??? You are a fag aren't you? > All thoughts welcome. Let's get >through this together. Get through what, you sick fucking DE worshiping piece of shit. Had it been Gordon who died last week, you wouldn't be such a wuss puss, you'd probably be hoopin and hollerin, you true faggy self has shown itself, now follow in your leaders footsteps and kill yourself. DE had it coming and so do you!

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>> >> As for the #3, who in the hell would drive it? >> > > >To my mind, the #3 in NASCAR is like the #99 in Hockey, or the Bulls #23 in >Basketball. Other drivers will not go near that number for a long, long >time.

You really are funny. You must not pay attention much. You missed the # 24 compared to # 3 in baseball. Who was DE anyway - I have forgotten so fast. 200 wins vs. 76 or so. Do you know how to read? Gordon has about 1/3 the starts of DE yet has 2/3 the wins, that's twice as better. In 6 years he made 2nd all time in money earned and in two years will be #1. I could go on and on. the comparison isn't even there - Gordon rocks and Earnhardt rots!

well, I think Fox's coverage is excellent ... I dont live and die by what imperfect people say anyway though so maybe I am the one messed up but I dont think so. If they get the car number or name wrong, so what? I know who's driving what so it don't matter. It's a LOT better than espn or anyone else in my opinion based on the things that are important to me. Last year at this race there were commercials every 6-8 laps. Sunday, it was more like 14 to me. That's is an example of what is important to me ... Phillip "Tony" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Greets, > I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share > these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied > their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their > association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the > Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something > wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things > were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first > race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is > very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my > head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail > out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just > what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if > the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the > many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the > stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice > made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just > not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the > sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws > us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells > within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to > know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that > they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of > all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get > through this together. > Later, > Tony Long

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> You must not pay attention much. You missed the # 24 compared to # 3 in > baseball. Who was DE anyway - I have forgotten so fast. 200 wins vs. 76 or > so. Do you know how to read? Gordon has about 1/3 the starts of DE yet has > 2/3 the wins, that's twice as better. In 6 years he made 2nd all time in > money earned and in two years will be #1. I could go on and on. the > comparison isn't even there - Gordon rocks and Earnhardt rots! >

Since I do not read this group much, I don't know if you are a known troll or not, but your post makes no sense to me. What I tried to say was that a hockey player would not want to wear #99 in the NHL, because of the history of the number, and likewise a Chicago Bulls player would not wear #23. I think this will happen with the #3 in Nascar, if it is not retired. I have no idea what your #24 compared to #3 in baseball argument is all about.

The wreck didn't take DE's life, it was FOX! JB "Tony" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Greets, > I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share > these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied > their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their > association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the > Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something > wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things > were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first > race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is > very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my > head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail > out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just > what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if > the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the > many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the > stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice > made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just > not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the > sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws > us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells > within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to > know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that > they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of > all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get > through this together. > Later, > Tony Long

You are not funny. Buzz Off... -Larry "Michael" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:D_wl6.11$[email hidden]...

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> You really are funny. > > You must not pay attention much. You missed the # 24 compared to # 3 in > baseball. Who was DE anyway - I have forgotten so fast. 200 wins vs. 76 or > so. Do you know how to read? Gordon has about 1/3 the starts of DE yet has > 2/3 the wins, that's twice as better. In 6 years he made 2nd all time in > money earned and in two years will be #1. I could go on and on. the > comparison isn't even there - Gordon rocks and Earnhardt rots!

Yep. He's a troll... "Michael" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tVwl6.10$[email hidden]...

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> > Tony wrote in message <[email hidden]>... > >Greets, > >I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share > >these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied > >their way into the F1 spotlight > > bullied??? huh?? Money talks. > > > and I get the same feeling about their > >association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the > >Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something > >wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? > > Here we go again, everyone knew that the crazies were just looking to jump > on that. Geeez, get original. > > > Things > >were going fairly good with the series before. > > No they weren't, coverage sucked and attendance has plummeted to around

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> Do you know what you are talking about? > > >But, now (in the first > >race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is > >very clouded and surreal. > > What's clouded? What's surreal? A race, someone died, and there will be a > race next weekend and we will all watch it, no matter what station carries > it. > > > I have many thoughts bouncing around in my > >head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail > >out. > > You need to stop thinking; bail out? Everyone will be there next week,

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> to bet on it? Except DE, of course. > > > Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. > You sound like a wussy pussy, hopefully you. > > >Thoughts of just > >what this series is actually about. > > It's not about fans like you. > > > In retrospect, it seems almost as if > >the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. > > Geez, you finally figured that out, what a rocket scientist you are. > > >Witness the > >many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the > >stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice > >made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. > > Holy shit!!! Are you some strugling sad ass poet? Nascar empire??? What

the > fuck are you talking about? > > > I'm just > >not sure I can remain behind the series. > > Good!!!! Thank God and while you're not going to follow the seriesanymore,

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> don't post here while you're at it. > > >But, damn, what is it that really draws > >us to this world? > > Holy shit!!! Go die somewhere! > > >I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells > >within us all. > > No, it seems that it definitely dwells in you though - sicko!!! > > >Please forgive me if I've offended you. > > Actually, you offend in general but most of all you offended yourself. > > > But I have to > >know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that > >they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of > >all it's gladiators who die in battle. > > Of course, they only have a limited amount of numbers worth having. > Gladiators??? You are a fag aren't you? > > > All thoughts welcome. Let's get > >through this together. > > > Get through what, you sick fucking DE worshiping piece of shit. Had it

been > Gordon who died last week, you wouldn't be such a wuss puss, you'dprobably > be hoopin and hollerin, you true faggy self has shown itself, now followin > your leaders footsteps and kill yourself. > > DE had it coming and so do you! > > >

Gee Michael, Why dont you like Gordon?? <G> Sorry I couldnt resist!! | - Gordon rocks and Earnhardt rots!

Huh? Who drove #3 Earnhardt or Fox? I don't understand?.. just for the record all pro-racers earn there money daily on & off the track whether racing or not. This is not an opinion but *fact*! now if you dont like a form of racing or a driver that is your option but they all work their butts off! I do mean all including everyone within each team! when you work with any pro'racer its definately not a 9-5job! Cheers Thom_j. "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sfzl6.3428$[email hidden]... | The wreck didn't take DE's life, it was FOX! | | JB

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:18:54 -0600, "Michael" <[email hidden]> wrote: >You must not pay attention much. You missed the # 24 compared to # 3 in >baseball. Who was DE anyway - I have forgotten so fast. 200 wins vs. 76 or >so. Do you know how to read? Gordon has about 1/3 the starts of DE yet has >2/3 the wins, that's twice as better. In 6 years he made 2nd all time in >money earned and in two years will be #1. I could go on and on. the >comparison isn't even there - Gordon rocks and Earnhardt rots! Hey, look, DGF! Your typical NASCAR fan! (How much did you have to pay him to post that here?) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Greg Cisko wrote: > Fox was not the problem last sunday at all. > > -- > > [email hidden] > I disagree, but on a different level. Fox wasn't about to brook any rivals in the garage, media center, or in victory lane. They shut out ESPN - who has done more to elevate this sport than anyone not named France. As much as Bill France and Mike Helton would like to be on Sports Center (albeit not for what they've made the headlines for this week), they really have proceeded to shoot themselves in their collective feet by denying access to the premiere motorsports daily -RPM2nite. To me, I couldn't believe that a director could be such a bonehead to show DW when Mikey was crossing the finish line. Picture in a picture would have been better, or DW on replay. Pit reporting was so-so, not quite as agressive in spotting trouble situations as the old guard was. Some of the questions asked by the rookies were weak (asking about food??? this isn't Martha Stewart's place, it's *Tony* Stewarts). Daytona is a very unforgiving place for rookies. They didn't follow many particular storylines: how the rookies were faring, who was gaining on the pit stops, who was losing - and why. The one cut tire was well handled though. The one they did follow was the performance of the Dodge. That's going to be an ongoing story. Fox seems to be so greedy with it's newly purchased toy that it won't let Speedvision (of wich it partially owns) continue with Inside Winston Cup. I think that when Fox came in, they thought they'd bought something like the WWF, and now they're finding out that they didn't get quite what they're bargained for. For the price they paid for it, they need to work on drumming up support for NASCAR - even and especially when it doesn't necessarily serve their immediate best interest. Am I asking a lot? Maybe. Then again, I'm just hoping that NASCAR survives this marriage. Personnally, I think that this might be like a heavyweight title fight: it might be scheduled for 15 rounds, but it won't go the distance. Question is, who would pay who for the divorce? As a followup, and of no small importance: how much? I think NASCAR was blinded by the dollar signs, and when the licence comes up for auction again, it could find that the second price will set a record low.

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> Ryan S wrote in message ... > >> > >> As for the #3, who in the hell would drive it? > >> > > > > > >To my mind, the #3 in NASCAR is like the #99 in Hockey, or the Bulls #23 in > >Basketball. Other drivers will not go near that number for a long, long > >time. > > You really are funny. > > You must not pay attention much. You missed the # 24 compared to # 3 in > baseball. Who was DE anyway - I have forgotten so fast. 200 wins vs. 76 or > so. Do you know how to read? Gordon has about 1/3 the starts of DE yet has > 2/3 the wins, that's twice as better. In 6 years he made 2nd all time in > money earned and in two years will be #1. I could go on and on. the > comparison isn't even there - Gordon rocks and Earnhardt rots!

You know, Michael, you make me feel ashamed of being a Gordon fan.

Geez man, where are you from? And who are you so mad at? By the way, I am not an Earnhardt fan; but the guy was a living being. Maybe I'll happen upon a car wreck on the highway, and it'll be you... I'll still stop to help even an asshole like you. Tony Long Michael wrote: > > Tony wrote in message <[email hidden]>... > >Greets, > >I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share<SLASH> > > DE had it coming and so do you!

I think you guys totally missed the intent of this comment. Apparently it's totally incomprehensible to you. My apologies for working your brains so hard. You should get some rest. I guess the Fox thing is just big business. I'm sure they'll get better. BTW, I wasn't blaming Fox for Dale Earnhardt's death. I just thought it all seemed a bit more than a coincidence. Maybe I was wrong, but I am entitled to my opinion as well as anyone else. Peace, Tony Long Tony wrote: > > Greets, > I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share > these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied > their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their > association with NASCAR. <SNIP>

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> But I have to > know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that > they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of > all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get > through this together. > Later, > Tony Long

These words may help this newsgroup, at least I hope so... Holy Bible, Book of James, chapter 3, verse 8... "But the tongue can no man tame, it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison." And Jesus said in the book of Matthew, chapter 15, verse 11: "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth the man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth the man." Tony wrote: > > Greets, > I know this subject may ruffle some feathers<SNIP> > All thoughts welcome. Let's get > through this together. > Later, > Tony Long

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:18:54 -0600, "Dumbass" <[email hidden]> wrote: >You really are funny. > >You must not pay attention much. You missed the # 24 compared to # 3 in >baseball. Who was DE anyway - I have forgotten so fast. 200 wins vs. 76 or >so. I'll assume you are refering to Petty, who got most of his wins in an era where they raced 60-70 races a season. So you look pretty stupid there. Do you know how to read? Gordon has about 1/3 the starts of DE yet has >2/3 the wins, that's twice as better. Twice as better? Ok, first, go to www.hookedonphonics.com so you can try to learn to read and write. Then, go to www.hookedonnumbers.com so you can learn to count. I count 3 Cups for Gordon (no offense, I have much respect for the Boy Wonder) and 7 Cups for Earnhardt. Hmmm..........Let me check my math.........That's 4 more Cups for Earnhardt. Gordon might catch him someday, but right now, no comparison. In 6 years he made 2nd all time in >money earned and in two years will be #1. I could go on and on. the >comparison isn't even there - Gordon rocks and Earnhardt rots! > <sigh>.........Why all the ignorance? That's ok, someday, you'll rot in hell for being the ass that you make yourself out to be.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 05:11:25 -0800, "ArcLight" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Coverage would be ok if: > >1. They'd get Waltrip to talk less. <-------------Absolutely right =) > >2. Eliminate that nauseating banner/ribbon across the screen during >coverage. 3. Stop playing 4 minutes of commercials every 9 laps. (I know, they have to pay for that TV deal somehow) Todd >Arc > >

Great insight...........You just put the period on this thread dude. Todd

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>I disagree, but on a different level. Fox wasn't about to brook any rivals in >the garage, media center, or in victory lane. They shut out ESPN - who has >done more to elevate this sport than anyone not named France. As much as Bill >France and Mike Helton would like to be on Sports Center (albeit not for what >they've made the headlines for this week), they really have proceeded to shoot >themselves in their collective feet by denying access to the premiere >motorsports daily -RPM2nite. To me, I couldn't believe that a director could >be such a bonehead to show DW when Mikey was crossing the finish line. Picture >in a picture would have been better, or DW on replay. > >Pit reporting was so-so, not quite as agressive in spotting trouble situations >as the old guard was. Some of the questions asked by the rookies were weak >(asking about food??? this isn't Martha Stewart's place, it's *Tony* >Stewarts). Daytona is a very unforgiving place for rookies. > >They didn't follow many particular storylines: how the rookies were faring, >who was gaining on the pit stops, who was losing - and why. The one cut tire >was well handled though. The one they did follow was the performance of the >Dodge. That's going to be an ongoing story. > >Fox seems to be so greedy with it's newly purchased toy that it won't let >Speedvision (of wich it partially owns) continue with Inside Winston Cup. I >think that when Fox came in, they thought they'd bought something like the WWF, >and now they're finding out that they didn't get quite what they're bargained >for. For the price they paid for it, they need to work on drumming up support >for NASCAR - even and especially when it doesn't necessarily serve their >immediate best interest. > >Am I asking a lot? Maybe. Then again, I'm just hoping that NASCAR survives >this marriage. Personnally, I think that this might be like a heavyweight >title fight: it might be scheduled for 15 rounds, but it won't go the >distance. Question is, who would pay who for the divorce? As a followup, and >of no small importance: how much? > >I think NASCAR was blinded by the dollar signs, and when the licence comes up >for auction again, it could find that the second price will set a record low. > >

What happened to Benny? "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Fox didn't cause Earnhardt's crash. I didn't get to see the entire > broadcast, but I was pretty impressed with Fox's work on the race. > They had lots of in car cameras, and a cool, sweeping camera that > followed the cars down the track from the infield. > I was expecting the worst from the commentators based on Fox's > over-done football coverage, but thought they did a good job. > > Tim > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 06:36:49 GMT, Tony > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Greets, > >I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share > >these thoughts with someone. I'm mindful how Fox/Speedvision bullied > >their way into the F1 spotlight and I get the same feeling about their > >association with NASCAR. All along as we were being introduced to the > >Fox way of presenting/marketing NASCAR, I just felt that something > >wasn't right. Could the association of Fox and NASCAR be doomed? Things > >were going fairly good with the series before. But, now (in the first > >race of the season and the first carried by Fox) it seems the series is > >very clouded and surreal. I have many thoughts bouncing around in my > >head. Thoughts of who will continue to participate, and who will bail > >out. Thoughts of which driver will be the next to die. Thoughts of just > >what this series is actually about. In retrospect, it seems almost as if > >the series is actually proud of the morbid nature of itself. Witness the > >many fabled demises of talented drivers of it's past. And how the > >stories remain as medals and testament to the heroism and sacrifice > >made; just to be the newest martyr to the great NASCAR empire. I'm just > >not sure I can remain behind the series. Sure, I'll always peek into the > >sport to see who is doing what. But, damn, what is it that really draws > >us to this world? I hope it goes beyond the morbid curiosity that dwells > >within us all. Please forgive me if I've offended you. But I have to > >know that NASCAR refuses to retire numbers for reasons other than that > >they will eventually run out of numbers if they retire the numbers of > >all it's gladiators who die in battle. All thoughts welcome. Let's get > >through this together. > >Later, > >Tony Long >

Mike Donnelly Jr <[email hidden]> wrote: >I disagree, but on a different level. Fox wasn't about to brook any rivals in >the garage, media center, or in victory lane. They shut out ESPN Yep, that was the biggest bonehead move that NASCAR (Not Fox, it wasn't Fox's decision to make.) has made in a long time. The Fox daily show is pitiful. ESPN, even with having to interview drivers at a marina, is still head and shoulders above their level.

Ryan S wrote in message ... >> You must not pay attention much. You missed the # 24 compared to # 3 in >> baseball. Who was DE anyway - I have forgotten so fast. 200 wins vs. 76or >> so. Do you know how to read? Gordon has about 1/3 the starts of DE yethas

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A troll, I don't even know what a troll is, obviously you do. I do know this about NG's. What the hell is your damn DE post doing in this NG you dumbfuck. Go to the DE whiners NG and post there, this is sim racing and has nothing to do with your comparison of DE to Jordan. That is what you post commented on, read it again and be more clear in the future when you post and won't get misunderstood (you weren't though).

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> >What I tried to say was that a hockey player would not want to wear #99 in >the NHL, because of the history of the number, and likewise a Chicago Bulls >player would not wear #23. I think this will happen with the #3 in Nascar, >if it is not retired. > >I have no idea what your #24 compared to #3 in baseball argument is all >about. > >

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>> 2/3 the wins, that's twice as better. In 6 years he made 2nd all time in >> money earned and in two years will be #1. I could go on and on. the >> comparison isn't even there - Gordon rocks and Earnhardt rots! > >You know, Michael, you make me feel ashamed of being a Gordon fan. > > >

I'm ashamed you are. You're one of those 10% who only cheer for Gordon when he wins. Bandwagoner, I seen them only too often.

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>On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:18:54 -0600, "Dumbass" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > > >>You really are funny. >> >>You must not pay attention much. You missed the # 24 compared to # 3 in >>baseball. Who was DE anyway - I have forgotten so fast. 200 wins vs. 76 or >>so. > >I'll assume you are refering to Petty, who got most of his wins in an >era where they raced 60-70 races a season. So you look pretty stupid >there.

Oh so he didn't win the races? Who looks stupid? >Do you know how to read? Gordon has about 1/3 the starts of DE yet has >>2/3 the wins, that's twice as better. > >Twice as better? Ok, first, go to www.hookedonphonics.com so you can >try to learn to read and write. I see you knew where that site was, ok go on back and learn some more, evidently you don't how if you are commenting on my writing. Knocking others down doesn't bring you up. Then, go to www.hookedonnumbers.com so >you can learn to count. I count 3 Cups for Gordon (no offense, I have >much respect for the Boy Wonder) and 7 Cups for Earnhardt. You really need to do some counting, I agree. 7 in a lufetime, 3 in 5 years. Can you figure that out idiot? Of course not, you're a DE fan, redneck!

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> > In 6 years he made 2nd all time in >>money earned and in two years will be #1. I could go on and on. the >>comparison isn't even there - Gordon rocks and Earnhardt rots! >> > ><sigh>.........Why all the ignorance?

sigh...where? > That's ok, someday, you'll rot >in hell for being the ass that you make yourself out to be. Nope, sorry, but you will be and you can spend your time with DE, he's there and so will all of his followers. You DE people are really some sicko's. Cheer when he wrecks someone, well you people are out and the rest of us get to watch some real racing, no more smash'em up derby.

>and at least they didn't hire buddy baker. now those of us outside of >alabama can actually understand the commentary. LOL.......good one

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> Mike Donnelly Jr wrote in message <[email hidden]>... > > > > > >Michael wrote: > > > >> Ryan S wrote in message ... > >> >> > >> >> As for the #3, who in the hell would drive it? > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> >To my mind, the #3 in NASCAR is like the #99 in Hockey, or the Bulls #23 > in > >> >Basketball. Other drivers will not go near that number for a long, long > >> >time. > >> > >> You really are funny. > >> > >> You must not pay attention much. You missed the # 24 compared to # 3 in > >> baseball. Who was DE anyway - I have forgotten so fast. 200 wins vs. 76 > or > >> so. Do you know how to read? Gordon has about 1/3 the starts of DE yet > has > >> 2/3 the wins, that's twice as better. In 6 years he made 2nd all time in > >> money earned and in two years will be #1. I could go on and on. the > >> comparison isn't even there - Gordon rocks and Earnhardt rots! > > > >You know, Michael, you make me feel ashamed of being a Gordon fan. > > > > > > > I'm ashamed you are. You're one of those 10% who only cheer for Gordon when > he wins. Bandwagoner, I seen them only too often.

No, I just don't compare him to someone that in time he might overtake, but it's a long road between now and then. Gordon's great. I saw that the first time I sat down to watch a race, but you seem to be coming in here looking for trouble. Which is why you make me ashamed: you give Gordon fans a bad name. Don't bother replying, you're the third person to make my auto-kill file.

Given a choice between Baker and Squire, I'd take Baker every day of the week and thrice on Sunday. Whoever make the decision to hire Squire should be taken out, drawn and quartered. I was looking forward to not having to view him on the tube ever again. ESPN wouldn't have made that mistake. Hardin9745 wrote: > >and at least they didn't hire buddy baker. now those of us outside of > >alabama can actually understand the commentary. > > LOL.......good one

Well, I don't do this ofter, but Bye Bye loser................. *PLONK* On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:21:51 -0600, "Michael" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Glockenspiel wrote in message ... >>On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:18:54 -0600, "Dumbass" <[email hidden]> >>wrote: >> >> >>>You really are funny. >>> >>>You must not pay attention much. You missed the # 24 compared to # 3 in >>>baseball. Who was DE anyway - I have forgotten so fast. 200 wins vs. 76 or >>>so. >> >>I'll assume you are refering to Petty, who got most of his wins in an >>era where they raced 60-70 races a season. So you look pretty stupid >>there. > > >Oh so he didn't win the races? Who looks stupid? > >>Do you know how to read? Gordon has about 1/3 the starts of DE yet has >>>2/3 the wins, that's twice as better. >> >>Twice as better? Ok, first, go to www.hookedonphonics.com so you can >>try to learn to read and write. > >I see you knew where that site was, ok go on back and learn some more, >evidently you don't how if you are commenting on my writing. Knocking others >down doesn't bring you up. > > Then, go to www.hookedonnumbers.com so >>you can learn to count. I count 3 Cups for Gordon (no offense, I have >>much respect for the Boy Wonder) and 7 Cups for Earnhardt. > >You really need to do some counting, I agree. 7 in a lufetime, 3 in 5 years. >Can you figure that out idiot? Of course not, you're a DE fan, redneck! > >> >> In 6 years he made 2nd all time in >>>money earned and in two years will be #1. I could go on and on. the >>>comparison isn't even there - Gordon rocks and Earnhardt rots! >>> >> >><sigh>.........Why all the ignorance? > >sigh...where? > >> That's ok, someday, you'll rot >>in hell for being the ass that you make yourself out to be. > > >Nope, sorry, but you will be and you can spend your time with DE, he's there >and so will all of his followers. You DE people are really some sicko's. >Cheer when he wrecks someone, well you people are out and the rest of us get >to watch some real racing, no more smash'em up derby. >

Noone has been able to finalize a deal with Bernie the prick. We may not even get to see the races for a little while >=| Speedvision and ESPN/ABC are both going after it. On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 07:46:48 -0600, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Tony" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Greets, >> I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share > >I think you are full of crap. But anyway, does anyone know if Fox picked >up the F1 season again this year? I haven't heard a word about who >is televising F1 in america.

Huh? I think you see where you are wrong, does calling me a loser make you feel better? Glockenspiel wrote in message ...

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>Well, I don't do this ofter, but Bye Bye loser................. > >*PLONK* > >On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:21:51 -0600, "Michael" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >> >>Glockenspiel wrote in message ... >>>On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:18:54 -0600, "Dumbass" <[email hidden]> >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>>>You really are funny. >>>> >>>>You must not pay attention much. You missed the # 24 compared to # 3 in >>>>baseball. Who was DE anyway - I have forgotten so fast. 200 wins vs. 76

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>>Can you figure that out idiot? Of course not, you're a DE fan, redneck! >> >>> >>> In 6 years he made 2nd all time in >>>>money earned and in two years will be #1. I could go on and on. the >>>>comparison isn't even there - Gordon rocks and Earnhardt rots! >>>> >>> >>><sigh>.........Why all the ignorance? >> >>sigh...where? >> >>> That's ok, someday, you'll rot >>>in hell for being the ass that you make yourself out to be. >> >> >>Nope, sorry, but you will be and you can spend your time with DE, he's

there >>and so will all of his followers. You DE people are really some sicko's. >>Cheer when he wrecks someone, well you people are out and the rest of usget >>to watch some real racing, no more smash'em up derby. >> >

Tony wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >Geez man, where are you from? That matters? > And who are you so mad at? People who spew crap. > By the way, I >am not an Earnhardt fan; but the guy was a living being. Oh God, stop it !!! > Maybe I'll >happen upon a car wreck on the highway, and it'll be you... I'll still >stop to help even an asshole like you. I see, I understand now, that's your problem. Well i guess the world needs people like you. Do for compensation not for your conscious. Free advice.

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>Tony Long > >Michael wrote: >> >> Tony wrote in message <[email hidden]>... >> >Greets, >> >I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share ><SLASH> >> >> DE had it coming and so do you!

>Geez man, where are you from? That matters? People who spew crap. Oh God, stop it !!! I see, I understand now, that's your problem. Well i guess the world needs people like you. Do for compensation not for your conscious. Free advice.

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>Tony Long >> >Greets, >> >I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share ><SLASH> >> DE had it coming and so do you!

In article <AHtl6.59241$[email hidden]>, "rik anthrax" <[email hidden]> writes: >and at least they didn't hire buddy baker. now those of us outside of >alabama can actually understand the commentary. I understood Buddy just fine - and I'm in Michigan...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

What's the matter, everybody else got you in their killfile? By the way, the only crap I see spewing is coming from you. Michael wrote:

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> > Tony wrote in message <[email hidden]>... > >Geez man, where are you from? > > That matters? > > > And who are you so mad at? > > People who spew crap. > > By the way, I > >am not an Earnhardt fan; but the guy was a living being. > > Oh God, stop it !!! > > > Maybe I'll > >happen upon a car wreck on the highway, and it'll be you... I'll still > >stop to help even an asshole like you. > > I see, I understand now, that's your problem. Well i guess the world needs > people like you. Do for compensation not for your conscious. Free advice. > > >Tony Long > > > >Michael wrote: > >> > >> Tony wrote in message <[email hidden]>... > >> >Greets, > >> >I know this subject may ruffle some feathers, but I just have to share > ><SLASH> > >> > >> DE had it coming and so do you!

Amen, Tony! On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 06:12:47 GMT, Tony <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>These words may help this newsgroup, at least I hope so... > >Holy Bible, Book of James, chapter 3, verse 8... > >"But the tongue can no man tame, it is an unruly evil, full of deadly >poison." > >And Jesus said in the book of Matthew, chapter 15, verse 11: > >"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth the man; but that which >cometh out of the mouth, this defileth the man." > >Tony wrote: >> >> Greets, >> I know this subject may ruffle some feathers ><SNIP> >> All thoughts welcome. Let's get >> through this together. >> Later, >> Tony Long

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