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From today. " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat slumped in the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull fracture ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved his life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for criticizing the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like full-faced helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport that full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hear it. Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes. Maybe they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from their spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense to them. After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k yourselves. David G Fisher

David G Fisher wrote: "If this is true", "may have", "just might help a bit?", "Maybe". Pathetic! Gerry "All I can think to say to my critics is go f**k yourselves." - David G F Y Fisher

You were ripped apart because you have no class. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aBBl6.7844$[email hidden]... > From today. > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat slumpedin

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> the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull fracture > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." > > If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved his > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for criticizing > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like full-faced > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport

that > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hearit. > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes.Maybe > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated fromtheir

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> spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more > head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense to > them. > > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k > yourselves. > > David G Fisher >

at that speed and with a weak lap belt I doubt whether a full face helmet could have helped. NG "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aBBl6.7844$[email hidden]... > From today. > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat slumpedin

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> the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull fracture > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." > > If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved his > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for criticizing > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like full-faced > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport

that > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hearit. > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes.Maybe > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated fromtheir

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> spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more > head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense to > them. > > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k > yourselves. > > David G Fisher >

David G Fisher wrote: More crap. Your barking up the wrong tree again. Go and do some research on seat belt and harness technology, and how it differs between F1 and NASCAR. When your done that...and make sure all your facts are straight, then we'll carry on. So see you in about 6 years then? Gerry "F1 evolved after the death of Senna (no deaths since)..." - David 'Marshall's Don't Count' Fisher

spoken like a true moron.you will never "get it" David , so quit proving what a little man you are and post something worth reading.your arguement holds truth in only 1 court of law and thats "The David Fisher Court of Fools". Sorry to be so blunt but your last sentence pretty much sealed your fate dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! David G Fisher wrote:

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> From today. > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat slumped in > the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull fracture > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." > > If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved his > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for criticizing > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like full-faced > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport that > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hear it. > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes. Maybe > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from their > spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more > head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense to > them. > > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k > yourselves. > > David G Fisher

I'm a little confused about the face-to-the-steering-wheel-theory. Didn't this same doactor say Sunday night that there was no evidence of facial impact? No cuts or bruises on the face? On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:56:17 -0800, Tim O <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >Did you leave out a part? Perhaps something about a damaged lap belt? >No disrespect to Earnhardt, but that stuff is ultimately the DRIVERS >place to check. Don't pin that on NASCAR. They can't micro-manage >every aspect of the sport. You hope a crew member will spot something >like that, but the driver, like a pilot, is ultimately the one who >pays, and must know that his machine is right. > >I'm still not convinced he wouldn't have suffered the bascular skull >fracture had he been restrained tight enough to keep his face from the >steering wheel. > >Tim > >On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:35:50 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>From today. >>" 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat slumped in >>the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, >>causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull fracture >>ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than >>likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." >> >>If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, >>Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved his >>life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for criticizing >>the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans >>which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for >>comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even >>criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like full-faced >>helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will >>suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport that >>full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hear it. >>Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy >>reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes. Maybe >>they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from their >>spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more >>head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense to >>them. >> >>After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k >>yourselves. >> >>David G Fisher >

David G Fisher wrote: > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k > yourselves. Quit acting like an ass. His helmet would have been just fine had the safety harness held up. -- Fester

The bottom line is when you go racing you make your choices and you take your chances. Ironhead knew that from day 1. He's the one who decided to drive with an open face helmet and no HANS. He was an adult and knew what he was doing. There is no one to blame for that accident. Mr. Fisher ( I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt since I don't think you are grown-up ), it's OK to be sad, but not to be mad. People race and people die. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aBBl6.7844$[email hidden]... > From today. > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat slumpedin

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> the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull fracture > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." > > If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved his > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for criticizing > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like full-faced > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport

that > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hearit. > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes.Maybe > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated fromtheir

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> spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more > head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense to > them. > > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k > yourselves. > > David G Fisher >

Are you now feeling a bit isolated in your *opinions* now David? Hmmm? "The "F" word is a word used by idiots who apprarently can not express themselves!" - Words by Barney Rubble - <g> Cheers Thom_j. | David G Fisher wrote: | | > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k | > yourselves.

Go F### yourself too. F1 pansy. You don't even care about Nascar, get the h$$$ out of Nascar conversations. Acccident happen dumb^^^, every day. -- Don Burnette "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aBBl6.7844$[email hidden]... > From today. > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat slumped in > the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull fracture > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." > > If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved his > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for criticizing > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like full-faced > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport that > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hear it. > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes. Maybe > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from their > spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more > head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense to > them. > > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k > yourselves. > > David G Fisher >

Dumb#$% -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aBBl6.7844$[email hidden]... > From today.

I'm sure the full-faced helmet would have stopped his internal organs from being smashed (8 broken ribs, collapsed lung). Hell, if he had a stroke before he hit the wall, you would have blamed alcohol or the lack of check-ups before races. No matter what, you'll always claimn to be right. Go f*ck yourself as well. - Alan Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001: "The Last American Hero" R.I.P.

>From today. >" 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat slumped in >the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, >causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull fracture >ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than >likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." Gee, it's fairly convieniant, that you've left out the part about the lap belt not working correctly. And that part, "Mr. I have all the answers", is something that could happen in ANY form of motor racing. >After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k >yourselves. >No, that's quite alright. We're all having fun watching you, f**k yourself into a corner.

When did you make becoming a supersillious ass a life's calling? D.E. hit the wheel because, for the first time in the recorded history of NASCAR (52 years), the bloody lapbelt broke on the left side! Let's chastize them for not repealing the laws of physics! Let's embed the drivers in tofu! Let's make them race by remote control from their living room sofas while wrapped in their favorite blankie!!! What part of "get over it" don't you understand?? Shit happens sometimes... I think they need to address some things, but the philosophy of "when in trouble or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout" isn't going to accomplish anything for them and, hence, they've refused to adopt it. NASCAR walks a knife's edge in trying to preserve a hugely successful formula while keeping the merchandise safe and the sponsors happy. They're under the gun and something positive will come of it from a safety perspective. They have no choice now. Hrmph... Brett C. Cammack brettDOTcammack@worldnetDOTattDOTnet (remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:35:50 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]>, in an ever-expanding fog of selective editing wrote: >Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy >reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes. From the same article he loves to quote DW from... (http://www.thatsracin.com/00/0917/0915autopsies.htm) 'Mike Helton, NASCAR's chief operating officer, said the reason NASCAR didn't request autopsy reports is, "We know what the cause of death was from the death certificates." 'Helton said NASCAR has "other information from the emergency crew at the race track, as well as the doctors at the hospital. And we also have sources that tell us what the autopsy said with regard to broken bones and different things, so we never saw anything inconsistent with what we found in the cars to request more information. We haven't requested one 1/8autopsy report3/8 because we didn't find any reason to get that information in writing because we found no inconsistencies with anything." ' "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Did you leave out a part? Perhaps something about a damaged lap belt? No disrespect to Earnhardt, but that stuff is ultimately the DRIVERS place to check. Don't pin that on NASCAR. They can't micro-manage every aspect of the sport. You hope a crew member will spot something like that, but the driver, like a pilot, is ultimately the one who pays, and must know that his machine is right. I'm still not convinced he wouldn't have suffered the bascular skull fracture had he been restrained tight enough to keep his face from the steering wheel. Tim On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:35:50 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>From today. >" 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat slumped in >the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, >causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull fracture >ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than >likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." > >If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, >Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved his >life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for criticizing >the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans >which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for >comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even >criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like full-faced >helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will >suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport that >full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hear it. >Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy >reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes. Maybe >they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from their >spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more >head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense to >them. > >After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k >yourselves. > >David G Fisher

You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me about two seconds to find these articles. http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/articles/20010220/296116.html "NASCAR has no trouble accelerating rules changes for excitement's sake. It has no trouble accelerating aerodynamic design intended to end a parade of boredom and give 40 cars the ability to go three wide in turns at 190 mph. But it has trouble accelerating for safety's sake. That's obscene." http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/dave_kindred/20010220.html David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aBBl6.7844$[email hidden]... > From today. > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat slumpedin

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> the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull fracture > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." > > If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved his > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for criticizing > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like full-faced > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport

that > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hearit. > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes.Maybe > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated fromtheir

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> spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more > head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense to > them. > > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k > yourselves. > > David G Fisher >

P.A. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eVEl6.8481$[email hidden]... > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me about > two seconds to find these articles. > > http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/articles/20010220/296116.html > > "NASCAR has no trouble accelerating rules changes for excitement's sake. It > has no trouble accelerating aerodynamic design intended to end a parade of > boredom and give 40 cars the ability to go three wide in turns at 190 mph. > > But it has trouble accelerating for safety's sake. > > That's obscene." > > http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/dave_kindred/20010220.html > > David G Fisher > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aBBl6.7844$[email hidden]... > > From today. > > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat slumped > in > > the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, > > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull fracture > > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than > > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." > > > > If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, > > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved his > > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for criticizing > > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans > > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for > > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even > > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like full-faced > > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will > > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport > that > > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hear > it. > > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy > > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes. > Maybe > > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from > their > > spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more > > head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense to > > them. > > > > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k > > yourselves. > > > > David G Fisher > > >

Some reactions to the article linked to at the bottom of this post http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/articles/20010221/296318.html The two below sound familiar. --------------- You're exactly correct on your observation of Mike Helton deflecting the need for improved safety. I am a life long Formula one fan, but following F1 & CART so closely over the years you can't help but be exposed to NASCAR. I saw the press conference on Monday and was utterly appalled at the lack of urgency to address these safety issues. F1 standards are so high after Senna's death, that there is only one track in the entire US that meets the FIA safety standards for F1 (Indianapolis). I'm not talking about a full blown grand prix, I mean a track that has been approved by the FIA for even testing. Concrete lined ovals are absolutely primitive. I understand that there are technology & logistic issues with other forms of barriers, but Helton showed no interest in looking in to these options any further. What was shocking was a total lack of effort into re-examine NASCAR's safety option. All he needed to say was something to the effect of 'this will take top priority' and I would have been satisfied. The fact that he would reference progressing from no rails, to wood rails, to metal to concrete is absurd. The deflecting of the issue just made them appear to support what most people's image of NASCAR is in general, a bunch of Good ol' Boys that 'aint going to told how to run our races', no matter how foolish it appears to the outside world. Michael Moshay ----------------------- Your thoughts are right on! The bump and shove mentality of NASCAR inevitably will result in driver's deaths. It the law of physics. It is not only permitted, it is glamorized. If you watch the Fox lead-in it shows cars bumping and sparking. Look at the roots. Most of these boys started out racing on Saturday on dirt or clay tracks. Not like F-1, where CART is where you learn. You are taught early not to touch wheels. And if you block like all the NASCAR boys, then you get a big fine. This is so insane that it really defies logic. Spills and thrills are what NASCAR stands for. If you have to sacrifice a driver now and then, well, it sure makes for a big draw the next week. Good writing. John Stoll Decatur, IL SCCA Club Racer S-2000 Class ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eVEl6.8481$[email hidden]... > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me about > two seconds to find these articles. > > http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/articles/20010220/296116.html > > "NASCAR has no trouble accelerating rules changes for excitement's sake.It

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> has no trouble accelerating aerodynamic design intended to end a parade of > boredom and give 40 cars the ability to go three wide in turns at 190 mph. > > But it has trouble accelerating for safety's sake. > > That's obscene." > > http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/dave_kindred/20010220.html > > David G Fisher > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aBBl6.7844$[email hidden]... > > From today. > > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat

slumped > in > > the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, > > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skullfracture > > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than > > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." > > > > If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, > > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have savedhis > > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread forcriticizing > > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans > > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for > > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even > > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious likefull-faced

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> > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will > > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport > that > > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hear > it. > > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy > > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes. > Maybe > > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from > their > > spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more > > head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense

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Btw, just curious, did you happen to post on these groups under the id of "Y2K Rick" about a year and a half ago? -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:f6Fl6.8485$[email hidden]... > Some reactions to the article linked to at the bottom of this post > http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/articles/20010221/296318.html > > The two below sound familiar. > --------------- > You're exactly correct on your observation of Mike Helton deflecting the > need for improved safety. I am a life long Formula one fan, but following F1 > & CART so closely over the years you can't help but be exposed to NASCAR. > > I saw the press conference on Monday and was utterly appalled at the lack of > urgency to address these safety issues. F1 standards are so high after > Senna's death, that there is only one track in the entire US that meets the > FIA safety standards for F1 (Indianapolis). > > I'm not talking about a full blown grand prix, I mean a track that has been > approved by the FIA for even testing. Concrete lined ovals are absolutely > primitive. > > I understand that there are technology & logistic issues with other forms of > barriers, but Helton showed no interest in looking in to these options any > further. What was shocking was a total lack of effort into re-examine > NASCAR's safety option. > > All he needed to say was something to the effect of 'this will take top > priority' and I would have been satisfied. The fact that he would reference > progressing from no rails, to wood rails, to metal to concrete is absurd. > > The deflecting of the issue just made them appear to support what most > people's image of NASCAR is in general, a bunch of Good ol' Boys that 'aint > going to told how to run our races', no matter how foolish it appears to the > outside world. > > Michael Moshay > ----------------------- > > Your thoughts are right on! The bump and shove mentality of NASCAR > inevitably will result in driver's deaths. It the law of physics. It is not > only permitted, it is glamorized. > > If you watch the Fox lead-in it shows cars bumping and sparking. Look at the > roots. Most of these boys started out racing on Saturday on dirt or clay > tracks. Not like F-1, where CART is where you learn. You are taught early > not to touch wheels. And if you block like all the NASCAR boys, then you get > a big fine. > > This is so insane that it really defies logic. Spills and thrills are what > NASCAR stands for. If you have to sacrifice a driver now and then, well, it > sure makes for a big draw the next week. > > Good writing. John Stoll > > Decatur, IL SCCA Club Racer S-2000 Class > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:eVEl6.8481$[email hidden]... > > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me about > > two seconds to find these articles. > > > > http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/articles/20010220/296116.html > > > > "NASCAR has no trouble accelerating rules changes for excitement's sake. > It > > has no trouble accelerating aerodynamic design intended to end a parade of > > boredom and give 40 cars the ability to go three wide in turns at 190 mph. > > > > But it has trouble accelerating for safety's sake. > > > > That's obscene." > > > > http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/dave_kindred/20010220.html > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:aBBl6.7844$[email hidden]... > > > From today. > > > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat > slumped > > in > > > the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, > > > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull > fracture > > > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than > > > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." > > > > > > If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, > > > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved > his > > > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for > criticizing > > > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans > > > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for > > > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even > > > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like > full-faced > > > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will > > > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport > > that > > > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hear > > it. > > > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy > > > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes. > > Maybe > > > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from > > their > > > spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more > > > head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense > to > > > them. > > > > > > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k > > > yourselves. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > >

yes, another group of people that dont know anything about racing. Their main sport is baseball. You should apply for a job there ... "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eVEl6.8481$[email hidden]... > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me about > two seconds to find these articles. > > http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/articles/20010220/296116.html > > "NASCAR has no trouble accelerating rules changes for excitement's sake.It

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> has no trouble accelerating aerodynamic design intended to end a parade of > boredom and give 40 cars the ability to go three wide in turns at 190 mph. > > But it has trouble accelerating for safety's sake. > > That's obscene." > > http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/dave_kindred/20010220.html > > David G Fisher > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aBBl6.7844$[email hidden]... > > From today. > > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat

slumped > in > > the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, > > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skullfracture > > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than > > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." > > > > If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, > > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have savedhis > > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread forcriticizing > > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans > > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for > > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even > > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious likefull-faced

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> > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will > > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport > that > > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hear > it. > > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy > > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes. > Maybe > > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from > their > > spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more > > head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense

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They don't allow Pansy Asses in baseball either. He probably plays Cricquet. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ocFl6.318263$[email hidden]... > yes, another group of people that dont know anything about racing. Their > main sport is baseball. You should apply for a job there ... > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:eVEl6.8481$[email hidden]... > > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me about > > two seconds to find these articles. > > > > http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/articles/20010220/296116.html > > > > "NASCAR has no trouble accelerating rules changes for excitement's sake. > It > > has no trouble accelerating aerodynamic design intended to end a parade of > > boredom and give 40 cars the ability to go three wide in turns at 190 mph. > > > > But it has trouble accelerating for safety's sake. > > > > That's obscene." > > > > http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/dave_kindred/20010220.html > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:aBBl6.7844$[email hidden]... > > > From today. > > > " 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat > slumped > > in > > > the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, > > > causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull > fracture > > > ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than > > > likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." > > > > > > If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, > > > Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved > his > > > life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for > criticizing > > > the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans > > > which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for > > > comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even > > > criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like > full-faced > > > helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will > > > suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport > > that > > > full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hear > > it. > > > Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy > > > reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes. > > Maybe > > > they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from > > their > > > spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more > > > head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense > to > > > them. > > > > > > After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k > > > yourselves. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > >

David, Perhaps you could be kind enough to move this discussion over to re.autos.sports.nascar - WHERE IT BELONGS !!!! I'm sick of seeing millions of replies to your provoking posts. Would you please go away! ed_ David G Fisher wrote: > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me about > two seconds to find these articles.<SNIPPED!!!>

I've started three whole threads regarding the Earnhardt death, and have kept 99% of my posts within them. Just put me in your kill file. David G Fisher "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:m8Fl6.6986$[email hidden]...

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> David, > > Perhaps you could be kind enough to move this discussion over to > re.autos.sports.nascar - WHERE IT BELONGS !!!! > > I'm sick of seeing millions of replies to your provoking posts. > > Would you please go away! > > ed_ > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me

about > > two seconds to find these articles. > <SNIPPED!!!> > >

I swear, I don't know exactly why, but all I want to do is try to irritate the crap out of you, I guess cause you make me sick - mainly because you claim to NOT be a fan of Nascar, do NOT follow it, and do NOT care to follow it - yet you preach about how they SHOULD do things and compare it to your perfect F1. In essence, your a hypocrite - and I just don't like your type. Ed is right though, I am sure most everyone here is getting tired of your rantings and especially all the replies they generate, as pretty much all here disagree with you . So, with that in mind, I am bowing out and putting you in my killfile. Maybe if everyone that feels the same way does the same, or at least just simply not reply to any of your ravings, you'll go away, or at least stop what your doing. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WoFl6.8511$[email hidden]... > I've started three whole threads regarding the Earnhardt death, and have > kept 99% of my posts within them. Just put me in your kill file. > > David G Fisher > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:m8Fl6.6986$[email hidden]... > > David, > > > > Perhaps you could be kind enough to move this discussion over to > > re.autos.sports.nascar - WHERE IT BELONGS !!!! > > > > I'm sick of seeing millions of replies to your provoking posts. > > > > Would you please go away! > > > > ed_ > > > > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me > about > > > two seconds to find these articles. > > <SNIPPED!!!> > > > > >

Putting you in my kill-file will not remove the 500 angry replies from others to *your * provoking posts.... Just go away and everyone will be happy. ed_ David G wrote:..

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> I've started three whole threads regarding the Earnhardt death, and have > kept 99% of my posts within them. Just put me in your kill file. > > David G Fisher > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:m8Fl6.6986$[email hidden]... > > David, > > > > Perhaps you could be kind enough to move this discussion over to > > re.autos.sports.nascar - WHERE IT BELONGS !!!! > > > > I'm sick of seeing millions of replies to your provoking posts. > > > > Would you please go away! > > > > ed_ > > > > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me > about > > > two seconds to find these articles. > > <SNIPPED!!!> > > > > >

Add Gerry, Don B., Don C., Barton, Alan C., and Jeff, and you'd eliminate 480 of those replies. Hardly "everyone". If you really want to eliminate any trace of me at all in this newsgroup, add Andre to the list. David G Fisher "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%uFl6.6988$[email hidden]...

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> Putting you in my kill-file will not remove the 500 angry replies from > others to *your * provoking posts.... > > Just go away and everyone will be happy. > > ed_ > > > David G wrote:.. > > I've started three whole threads regarding the Earnhardt death, and have > > kept 99% of my posts within them. Just put me in your kill file. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:m8Fl6.6986$[email hidden]... > > > David, > > > > > > Perhaps you could be kind enough to move this discussion over to > > > re.autos.sports.nascar - WHERE IT BELONGS !!!! > > > > > > I'm sick of seeing millions of replies to your provoking posts. > > > > > > Would you please go away! > > > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me > > about > > > > two seconds to find these articles. > > > <SNIPPED!!!> > > > > > > > > > >

If Earnhart had worn a HANS device and his seatbelt broke wouldn't the force of his body going forward and his head and shoulders not, have broken his neck. I was a huge Ironhead fan and its a shame that he's not with us anymore. But the fact is, it's a sport, and every driver knows that when he straps into the seat he could get hurt or die It's also nice the way you place all of NASCAR'S divisions into one group. The last I looked, I could be mistaken but Winston Cup has had two deaths since 94, granted any death is to many. But more people are killed crossing the street than on a NASCAR speedway. Should pedistrians be forced to wear full faced helmets and HANS devices. Better yet 90% of all people who die, die in hospitals, lets ban hospitals. You can twist your stats to mean anything you want them to mean. And by the way profanity is the way jerks like you with no vocabulary make points. But I guess if you got your way you would legislate all personal rights. Rusty

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>From today. >" 'Bohannon, who tried to save Earnhardt's life as the driver sat slumped in >the wreckage, said Earnhardt's chin might have hit the steering wheel, >causing the major head injury that killed him on impact. A skull fracture >ran from the front to the back of his brain. . . Mr. Earnhardt more than >likely contacted the steering wheel with his face,' Bohannon said." > >If this is true, then due to piss poor management of this motor sport, >Earnhardt died needlessly. Mandatory full-faced helmets may have saved his >life. I was ripped apart by NASCAR fans in another thread for criticizing >the way this sport is run, and for criticizing the attitiude of the fans >which permits this poor management to continue. I was criticized for >comparing the superior safety standards of F1 to NASCAR. I was even >criticized for daring to suggest that something so obvious like full-faced >helmets should long ago have been made mandatory. I wonder if there will >suddenly be an outcry among the geniuses who run and follow this sport that >full-faced helmets just might help a bit? It will make me sick if I hear it. >Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy >reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes. Maybe >they still need a few more drivers to have their skull separated from their >spine before the HANS device is made mandatory, and they need a few more >head and facial injuries before full-faced helmets make a little sense to >them. > >After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k >yourselves. > >David G Fisher

Go away! ed_ David G Fisher <[email hidden]> skrev i meldingsnyheter:MEFl6.8518$[email hidden]...

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> Add Gerry, Don B., Don C., Barton, Alan C., and Jeff, and you'd eliminate > 480 of those replies. Hardly "everyone". > > If you really want to eliminate any trace of me at all in this newsgroup, > add Andre to the list. > > David G Fisher

This is the third time tonight you've checked your newsreader to see if I've replied. I think you'd miss me. David G Fisher "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dlHl6.2590$[email hidden]...

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> Go away! > > ed_ > > David G Fisher <[email hidden]> skrev i > meldingsnyheter:MEFl6.8518$[email hidden]... > > Add Gerry, Don B., Don C., Barton, Alan C., and Jeff, and you'd

eliminate > > 480 of those replies. Hardly "everyone". > > > > If you really want to eliminate any trace of me at all in thisnewsgroup, > > add Andre to the list. > > > > David G Fisher > > >

>Add Gerry, Don B., Don C., Barton, Alan C., and Jeff, and you'd eliminate >480 of those replies. Hardly "everyone". Best cop out yet. And yea, I'm not bothering to reply anymore after this. I'll try to be on topic from now on. -enter the "killfile"- Alan Dale Earnhardt, 1951-2001: "The Last American Hero" R.I.P.

You wish. Be gone 'O evil one! ed_ David G Fisher <[email hidden]> skrev i meldingsnyheter:XNHl6.8574$[email hidden]... > This is the third time tonight you've checked your newsreader to see ifI've

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> > Add Gerry, Don B., Don C., Barton, Alan C., and Jeff, and you'd eliminate > 480 of those replies. Hardly "everyone". > > If you really want to eliminate any trace of me at all in this newsgroup, > add Andre to the list. > > David G Fisher

David, you're in my killfile for good this time. If you don't mind I'll still quote you though :). I think we should all sign off with one of your quotes, that way, although you're dead in a killfile, you'll sort of still live on in the way we would like to remember you, sad, alone and wrong. Cheers you looser Gerry "I am in the vast majority with my opinions on this subject." - David God Fisher "All I can think to say to my critics is go f**k yourselves." - David G F Y Fisher

And me. ;-) Jan. =--- David G Fisher wrote...

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On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:22:08 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >And me. ;-) Thanks Jan, my trusty sidekick, together we'll save the world from this evil force! :)

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>Jan. >=--- >David G Fisher wrote... >> Add Gerry, Don B., Don C., Barton, Alan C., and Jeff, and you'd eliminate >> 480 of those replies. Hardly "everyone". >> >> If you really want to eliminate any trace of me at all in this newsgroup, >> add Andre to the list. >> >> David G Fisher >> >

Ya know, I remember that as well. I think he said that Sunday night, when Helton announced Earnhardt's death. After Helton talked, That doctor talked about how Earnhardt didn't have any evidence of facial impact and that an autopsy would determine the cause of death. Another side note.........When Fox interviewed Schrader after the race, I could see in his eyes that something was very wrong. I bet when Schrader looked into Earnhardt's car, he knew right away that Dale was gone, which would lead me to believe what Schrader saw inside that car was most likely not a very good sight. I don't know what to think. I just want to believe there wasn't any foul play involved. Todd On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:14:18 GMT, [email hidden] (Power Post 2000) wrote: >I'm a little confused about the face-to-the-steering-wheel-theory. >Didn't this same doactor say Sunday night that there was no evidence >of facial impact? No cuts or bruises on the face? > >

David G Fisher wrote: > > You're right NASVAR [sic] fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me about > two seconds to find these articles. > > URL for "The Sporting News" The Sporting News has also said, on numerous occasions, that motor racing is NOT a sport. To them, a sport is something engaged in by thyroidally anomalous mutants in sweaty jock straps. I can see why this would be a main source of your misinformation. BB

David G Fisher wrote: > > <more Sporting News self-serving dreck> > The two below sound familiar. Three boneheads don't make an informed majority, DG. Says one idiot: > Most of these boys started out racing on Saturday on dirt or clay tracks. Ayyyyyup. Ptoooey! That may have been the genesis until recent times; most NASCAR drivers now come up through the ranks from ARCA or IMCA. Nothing wrong with dirt or clay tracks -- it's a wonderful place to learn balance and car control. > Not like F-1, where CART is where you learn. Oh, yeah -- THIS guy knows his onions. VAST majority of ex-CART drivers in F1. Actually CART is where you go to retire from F1, unless I've got the names wrong. AND FOR PITY'S SAKE, DG, your every utterance is as the breath of God and we all know that, but do you HAVE to keep reposting YOUR own long-since-previously fermented and decayed replies in every single post you make (which itself has to be some kind of record -- a broken record, in fact)?

David G Fisher wrote: > > I've started three whole threads regarding the Earnhardt death, and have > kept 99% of my posts within them. Just put me in your kill file. In fact, in terms of volume and bandwidth, your constant additions -- each one more brainless than the last, I might add -- make up 99% of the message traffic in those three threads; and after all that typing, you just make yourself appear as more of an ass -- something I would have thought utterly impossible a couple years ago -- with each addition and constant requoting of your ancient and rump-sprung old blather. When are you going to give it a rest? There've been more "Final Response to David G Fisher" postings than the death notices of Francisco Franco.

David G Fisher wrote: > > Add Gerry, Don B., Don C., Barton, Alan C., and Jeff, and you'd eliminate > 480 of those replies. Hardly "everyone". No, but certainly among the finest, including Andre, and, of course, our beloved Uncle Fester and the indomitable Uncle Goy. As they used to say at Brooklands (look it up, DG) "The right crowd and no crowding"

David G Fisher wrote: > > This is the third time tonight you've checked your newsreader to see if I've > replied. > > I think you'd miss me. As much of a guilty thrill as it is to mock the afflicted, you actually have become quite tiresome. The Sporting News, fer pity's sake... by any chance do you smoke White Owls, DG?

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> > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > Add Gerry, Don B., Don C., Barton, Alan C., and Jeff, and you'd eliminate > > 480 of those replies. Hardly "everyone". > > > > If you really want to eliminate any trace of me at all in this newsgroup, > > add Andre to the list.

Gerry, me bucko -- the proof of DG Fisher's "lowest life form on this planet" status HAS to be that you and I would be lumped together in the same category!

rrevved gasped: > > In my opinion, the 'face hit the wheel because of bad belts' theory > is to steer attention away from Nascar and it's refusal to mandate > proper head and neck support. The 'doctor' originally said there > were no facial injuries, but after Nascar got through talking to > him he suddenly found that Dale's face hit the wheel at 180mph. Did you also know that the names Lincoln and Kennedy have the same number of letters, Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln and Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy, Dick Nixon was mysteriously in Dallas on November 22, 1963, the casket with JFK's "body" taken OFF Air Force One wasn't the same as the one they put ON the plane in Dallas, the Walter Reed autopsy photographs were completely faked, and Kennedy's brain, removed at Walter Reed and "stored" in the National Archives, disappeared shortly after and has never been found to this day? > There is a putrid smell to this new finding, in my opinion. That putrid smell is just DG Fisher's jock strap after a strenuous round of cricket.

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> > Gerry Aitken wrote: > > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > > > Add Gerry, Don B., Don C., Barton, Alan C., and Jeff, and you'd eliminate > > > 480 of those replies. Hardly "everyone". > > > > > > If you really want to eliminate any trace of me at all in this newsgroup, > > > add Andre to the list. > > Gerry, me bucko -- the proof of DG Fisher's "lowest life form on this > planet" status HAS to be that you and I would be lumped together in the > same category!

Agreed! Not that I can even remember what we were arguing about anyway :). Best Gerry

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> > rrevved gasped: > > > > In my opinion, the 'face hit the wheel because of bad belts' theory > > is to steer attention away from Nascar and it's refusal to mandate > > proper head and neck support. The 'doctor' originally said there > > were no facial injuries, but after Nascar got through talking to > > him he suddenly found that Dale's face hit the wheel at 180mph. > > Did you also know that the names Lincoln and Kennedy have the same > number of letters, Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln and Lincoln had > a secretary named Kennedy, Dick Nixon was mysteriously in Dallas on > November 22, 1963, the casket with JFK's "body" taken OFF Air Force One > wasn't the same as the one they put ON the plane in Dallas, the Walter > Reed autopsy photographs were completely faked, and Kennedy's brain, > removed at Walter Reed and "stored" in the National Archives, > disappeared shortly after and has never been found to this day? >

Well if they can fake a moon landing... Best Gerry "I have a very good life, and I made it this way by avoiding the way of thinking of "the average guy"." -- David God Fisher, talking about his life living rough on the street.

I think he meant Kart not CART, as in go-karting rather than the champ cars ;) Not that I'm supporting his other views in any way <G> -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > David G Fisher wrote: > > > Not like F-1, where CART is where you learn. > > Oh, yeah -- THIS guy knows his onions. VAST majority of ex-CART drivers > in F1. Actually CART is where you go to retire from F1, unless I've got > the names wrong. >

Ditto I thought this forum was for auto simulation, not a trash talk debate on what the best form of racing is. "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:m8Fl6.6986$[email hidden]...

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> David, > > Perhaps you could be kind enough to move this discussion over to > re.autos.sports.nascar - WHERE IT BELONGS !!!! > > I'm sick of seeing millions of replies to your provoking posts. > > Would you please go away! > > ed_ > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me

about > > two seconds to find these articles. > <SNIPPED!!!> > >

Interesting. You quote NASCAR CEO Helton's response to why they haven't requested the autopsy reports, from an article critical of NASCAR's head-in-the-sand attitude to safety development, to answer a critic of NASCAR safety. The point is NASCAR thinks it's 'investigation' of two driver deaths is defensible without considering the input of the medical examiner. There must be more inbreeding going on than I thought. Just kidding...I know it's all about corporate priorities to protect the image of a highly profitable enterprise. Marty Jeff Vincent wrote:

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> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:35:50 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]>, > in an ever-expanding fog of selective editing wrote: > > >Just like it makes me sick that NASCAR never even looked at the autopsy > >reports of Irwin and Petty, or thoroughly investigated their crashes. > > From the same article he loves to quote DW from... > (http://www.thatsracin.com/00/0917/0915autopsies.htm) > > 'Mike Helton, NASCAR's chief operating officer, said the reason NASCAR > didn't request autopsy reports is, "We know what the cause of death > was from the death certificates." > > 'Helton said NASCAR has "other information from the emergency crew at > the race track, as well as the doctors at the hospital. And we also > have sources that tell us what the autopsy said with regard to broken > bones and different things, so we never saw anything inconsistent with > what we found in the cars to request more information. We haven't > requested one 1/8autopsy report3/8 because we didn't find any reason > to get that information in writing because we found no inconsistencies > with anything." ' > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

David may be a jerk in the way he expresses himself here, but I have to agree with his point on NASCAR safety. Unless auto racing is to be a gladiator sport where death is accepted, even expected, NASCAR's attitude compared to other major sanctioning bodies is primitive if not criminal. I know shit happens and race drivers die. But they don't die anymore from being run over after having been thrown out of the car or from fire, because those safety problems were addressed. Racing has evolved and the safety issues with it. NASCAR is entitled to be technologically primitive except when it comes to driver safety unless they all agree, drivers and officials, that it is a gladiator sport. Certainly many of its fans seem to think so. Marty Don Burnette wrote:

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> I swear, I don't know exactly why, but all I want to do is try to irritate > the crap out of you, I guess cause you make me sick - mainly because you > claim to NOT be a fan of Nascar, do NOT follow it, and do NOT care to follow > it - yet you preach about how they SHOULD do things and compare it to your > perfect F1. In essence, your a hypocrite - and I just don't like your type. > > Ed is right though, I am sure most everyone here is getting tired of your > rantings and especially all the replies they generate, as pretty much all > here disagree with you . So, with that in mind, I am bowing out and putting > you in my killfile. Maybe if everyone that feels the same way does the same, > or at least just simply not reply to any of your ravings, you'll go away, or > at least stop what your doing. > > -- > Don Burnette > D Burnette in N4 > > Some people do nothing wrong. > The problem is, they do nothing. > And THAT is wrong. > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WoFl6.8511$[email hidden]... > > I've started three whole threads regarding the Earnhardt death, and have > > kept 99% of my posts within them. Just put me in your kill file. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:m8Fl6.6986$[email hidden]... > > > David, > > > > > > Perhaps you could be kind enough to move this discussion over to > > > re.autos.sports.nascar - WHERE IT BELONGS !!!! > > > > > > I'm sick of seeing millions of replies to your provoking posts. > > > > > > Would you please go away! > > > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > You're right NASVAR fans. I'm completely alone in my views. Took me > > about > > > > two seconds to find these articles. > > > <SNIPPED!!!> > > > > > > > >

I think no one has more fun here than David. Marty David G Fisher wrote:

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> This is the third time tonight you've checked your newsreader to see if I've > replied. > > I think you'd miss me. > > David G Fisher > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dlHl6.2590$[email hidden]... > > Go away! > > > > ed_ > > > > David G Fisher <[email hidden]> skrev i > > meldingsnyheter:MEFl6.8518$[email hidden]... > > > Add Gerry, Don B., Don C., Barton, Alan C., and Jeff, and you'd > eliminate > > > 480 of those replies. Hardly "everyone". > > > > > > If you really want to eliminate any trace of me at all in this > newsgroup, > > > add Andre to the list. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > >

> AND FOR PITY'S SAKE, DG, your every utterance is as the breath of God > and we all know that, but do you HAVE to keep reposting YOUR own > long-since-previously fermented and decayed replies in every single post > you make (which itself has to be some kind of record -- a broken record, > in fact)? Gee, wouldn't be trying for D.G.'s record would you? Seven flames from you just this mourning. Marty

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >After this bit of news, all I can think to say to my critics is go f**k >yourselves. But that's what you always say to people who disagree with you. p.s. - You're still wrong. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

Barton Brown wrote:

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> > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > Add Gerry, Don B., Don C., Barton, Alan C., and Jeff, and you'd eliminate > > 480 of those replies. Hardly "everyone". > > No, but certainly among the finest, including Andre, and, of course, our > beloved Uncle Fester and the indomitable Uncle Goy. As they used to say > at Brooklands (look it up, DG) "The right crowd and no crowding"

I'm famous !!! :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://members.prestige.net/bttw/teammirage/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Barton Brown wrote:

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> > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > Add Gerry, Don B., Don C., Barton, Alan C., and Jeff, and you'd eliminate > > 480 of those replies. Hardly "everyone". > > No, but certainly among the finest, including Andre, and, of course, our > beloved Uncle Fester and the indomitable Uncle Goy. As they used to say > at Brooklands (look it up, DG) "The right crowd and no crowding"

I'm feeling like part of the furniture around here! -- Fester

Uncle Fester wrote:

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> > Barton Brown wrote: > > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > > > Add Gerry, Don B., Don C., Barton, Alan C., and Jeff, and you'd eliminate > > > 480 of those replies. Hardly "everyone". > > > > No, but certainly among the finest, including Andre, and, of course, our > > beloved Uncle Fester and the indomitable Uncle Goy. As they used to say > > at Brooklands (look it up, DG) "The right crowd and no crowding" > > I'm feeling like part of the furniture around here!

Must be the "uncle" thing that does it...:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://members.prestige.net/bttw/teammirage/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Uncle Fester wrote: > > I'm feeling like part of the furniture around here! > > -- > > Fester As well you might!