what are the changes NASCAR is going to make in terms of safety

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"Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bXMl6.1586$[email hidden]... > Simple question > > -- > PGP : 0xAFFA916C > > Simple answer: They don't know yet.

ok, does anybody in the US (newspapers, drivers, constructors...) have made ANY proposals. I would like to remind you that when senna died in 94 in the next race in Monaco Wendlinger went out, and was probably saved by the modifications that were decided BETWEEN imola and monaco (the "bathtub" like cockpit) I have read somewhere in this NG that almost all of the nascar teams have ordered hans devices after daytona...will they be made compulsory ? "Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: LiOl6.119266$[email hidden]...

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> > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bXMl6.1586$[email hidden]... > > Simple question > > > > -- > > PGP : 0xAFFA916C > > > > > > Simple answer: > > They don't know yet. > > >

What is a bathtub cockpit? What modifications were made between imola and monaco? ..Bob "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uHOl6.1613$[email hidden]... > ok, does anybody in the US (newspapers, drivers, constructors...) havemade > ANY proposals. > > I would like to remind you that when senna died in 94 in the next race in > Monaco Wendlinger went out, and was probably saved by the modificationsthat

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> were decided BETWEEN imola and monaco (the "bathtub" like cockpit) > > I have read somewhere in this NG that almost all of the nascar teams have > ordered hans devices after daytona...will they be made compulsory ? > > > "Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: > LiOl6.119266$[email hidden]... > > > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:bXMl6.1586$[email hidden]... > > > Simple question > > > > > > -- > > > PGP : 0xAFFA916C > > > > > > > > > > Simple answer: > > > > They don't know yet. > > > > > > > >

They are going to make seatbelts manditory. I don't say that to be mean, but to empasize that the accident to #3 was a freak accident, like Senna's was. If everyone wants to re-design the sport, the tracks, the cars, they should have done it last year after the accidents in Loudon, NH. But no-one said anything, no-one cared because the two drivers weren't their heroes. I think all racing series have done a great job improving safety since I started going to the tracks 25 years ago. I remember going to my 1st GrandPrix in 1976 and taking pictures of all the drivers, and two of them died before the year was finished. Sure there is always more, and they do things that we don't know about. I think it is a great sport and I think they make it safe, but at 180mph, or 240mph for Cart, bad things are going to happen. Lets hope it doesn't for while. ..Bob "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bXMl6.1586$[email hidden]... > Simple question > > -- > PGP : 0xAFFA916C > >

Nothing until the insurance companies tell them to. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank +32 something, who cares, people are cheating now http://members.nbci.com/zzbusch ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: Plans? Oh, you mean that napkin sketch? ----------------- Stressed is just Desserts backwards

Nothing until the insurance companies tell them to. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank +32 something, who cares, people are cheating now http://members.nbci.com/zzbusch ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: Plans? Oh, you mean that napkin sketch? ----------------- Stressed is just Desserts backwards

they made the lateral sides of the cockpit much higher (looking if you are seated in a bathtub) to avoid the same thing that killed senna "Bob Wild" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: BqPl6.2620$[email hidden]...

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> What is a bathtub cockpit? What modifications were made between imola and > monaco? > ..Bob > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uHOl6.1613$[email hidden]... > > ok, does anybody in the US (newspapers, drivers, constructors...) have > made > > ANY proposals. > > > > I would like to remind you that when senna died in 94 in the next race

in > > Monaco Wendlinger went out, and was probably saved by the modifications > that > > were decided BETWEEN imola and monaco (the "bathtub" like cockpit) > > > > I have read somewhere in this NG that almost all of the nascar teamshave

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> > ordered hans devices after daytona...will they be made compulsory ? > > > > > > "Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: > > LiOl6.119266$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:bXMl6.1586$[email hidden]... > > > > Simple question > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PGP : 0xAFFA916C > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simple answer: > > > > > > They don't know yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

they made the lateral sides of the***pit much higher (looking if you are seated in a bathtub) to avoid the same thing that killed senna

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> What is a bathtub***pit? What modifications were made between imola and > monaco? > ..Bob > > ok, does anybody in the US (newspapers, drivers, constructors...) have > made > > ANY proposals. > > I would like to remind you that when senna died in 94 in the next race

in > > Monaco Wendlinger went out, and was probably saved by the modifications > that > > were decided BETWEEN imola and monaco (the "bathtub" like***pit) > > I have read somewhere in this NG that almost all of the nascar teams have

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> > ordered hans devices after daytona...will they be made compulsory ? > > > > Simple question > > > > -- > > > > PGP : 0xAFFA916C > > > Simple answer: > > > They don't know yet.

Right, I did forget about that. Thanks! ..bob

"Txl" <[email hidden]> kirjoitti viestiss� news:31Rl6.5484$[email hidden]... > they made the lateral sides of the cockpit much higher (looking if you are > seated in a bathtub) to avoid the same thing that killed senna Only Sauber team did that. Officially they made them about 10cm higher in 1995, and the first year with the "bathtub design" was 1996 (although Sauber used the design in 1995 also). -- Mika Takala

>"Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote > I would like to remind you that when senna died in 94 in the next race in > Monaco Wendlinger went out, and was probably saved by the modificationsthat > were decided BETWEEN imola and monaco (the "bathtub" like cockpit) > > I have read somewhere in this NG that almost all of the nascar teams have > ordered hans devices after daytona...will they be made compulsory ? NASCAR fears technology, they have difficulty with something called "time". It's not valuable for them, they take whatever lenght it takes (and yes, it can be VERY long unfortunately). ;( -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Just because they didn't do something last year means they aren't allowed to do something this year? JB "Bob Wild" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iFPl6.2622$[email hidden]... > They are going to make seatbelts manditory. I don't say that to be mean,but > to empasize that the accident to #3 was a freak accident, like Senna'swas. > If everyone wants to re-design the sport, the tracks, the cars, theyshould

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> have done it last year after the accidents in Loudon, NH. But no-one said > anything, no-one cared because the two drivers weren't their heroes. I > think all racing series have done a great job improving safety since I > started going to the tracks 25 years ago. I remember going to my 1st > GrandPrix in 1976 and taking pictures of all the drivers, and two of them > died before the year was finished. Sure there is always more, and they do > things that we don't know about. I think it is a great sport and I think > they make it safe, but at 180mph, or 240mph for Cart, bad things are going > to happen. Lets hope it doesn't for while. > ..Bob > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bXMl6.1586$[email hidden]... > > Simple question > > > > -- > > PGP : 0xAFFA916C > > > > > >

If it was a belt failure, as it seems to have been, then I don't know that any changes would have mattered in this case. Full Face Helmet or not. HANS or not. If that belt broke, as is being indicated, then nothing would have made a difference short of a true miracle. It was bad luck :( I, personally, would like to see a full scientific study on that belt, though. All they can do is make sure that doesn't happen again, like most race equipment failures. -Larry "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bXMl6.1586$[email hidden]... > Simple question > > -- > PGP : 0xAFFA916C > >

On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:09:35 GMT, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>they made the lateral sides of the cockpit much higher (looking if you are >seated in a bathtub) to avoid the same thing that killed senna > > >"Bob Wild" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: >BqPl6.2620$[email hidden]... >> What is a bathtub cockpit? What modifications were made between imola and >> monaco?

This isn't true. Had these cockpit modifications been made prior to Monaco then Karl Wendlinger's injuries would have been significantly lessened. Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 even though it's "racing" and it's "dangerous" I think a failure in a safety equipment as important as a belt is not admissible, don't the officials check the safety equipment of the cars before the races ? I work in a truck racing team, we have BIIIG cages and stuff, but yet before every week end the marshalls are coming and are using some machine to pull on the belts to check tham, among other things.... If nascar is run in such a sloopy way regarding safety equipment there will be some other dead soon, unfortunately "Dog-Leg" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: m3_l6.19787$[email hidden]...

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> If it was a belt failure, as it seems to have been, then I don't > know that any changes would have mattered in this case. > > Full Face Helmet or not. HANS or not. If that belt broke, as is > being indicated, then nothing would have made a difference short of > a true miracle. > > It was bad luck :( > > I, personally, would like to see a full scientific study on that > belt, though. All they can do is make sure that doesn't happen > again, like most race equipment failures. > > -Larry > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bXMl6.1586$[email hidden]... > > Simple question > > > > -- > > PGP : 0xAFFA916C > > > > >

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On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:30:02 GMT, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I would like to remind you that when senna died in 94 in the next race in >Monaco Wendlinger went out, and was probably saved by the modifications that >were decided BETWEEN imola and monaco (the "bathtub" like cockpit) Just to clarify my earlier response: I believe you've gotten the chronology mixed up. Cockpit sides were raised AFTER Wendlinger's Monaco accident. Take a look at this photo from Forix and note the cockpit dimensions. http://www.forix.com/asp/photos.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&x=101&f=1994/04029_RN.JPG In fact, it wasn't until Barcelona that changes were made to the bodywork and aerodynamics of the cars (e.g. the airbox holes and the downsized wings). Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!