GPL - left foot braking...the only way to go?

I'm starting to get the hang of this GPL lark; regular low 1:30s at Monza, starting to get to know Silverstone and the 'Glen, but there's something troubling me: should I be braking with my left foot? That is, will my performance benefit noticeably? Of course I'll have to 'relearn' my braking technique, but I assume It'll be worth it if I can add seconds to my personal bests...

"Craig Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bWTl6.4345$[email hidden]... > I'm starting to get the hang of this GPL lark; regular low 1:30s at Monza, > starting to get to know Silverstone and the 'Glen, but there's something > troubling me: should I be braking with my left foot? > > That is, will my performance benefit noticeably? Of course I'll have to > 'relearn' my braking technique, but I assume It'll be worth it if I canadd > seconds to my personal bests... > > Simple Answer: Yes KFG

"Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lDUl6.119867$[email hidden]... > > "Craig Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:bWTl6.4345$[email hidden]... > > I'm starting to get the hang of this GPL lark; regular low 1:30sat Monza, > > starting to get to know Silverstone and the 'Glen, but there'ssomething > > troubling me: should I be braking with my left foot? > > > > That is, will my performance benefit noticeably? Of course I'llhave to > > 'relearn' my braking technique, but I assume It'll be worth it ifI can

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> add > > seconds to my personal bests... > > > > > > Simple Answer: > > Yes > > KFG >

Not quite so simple answer:- Yes, provided your throttle and brake are on split axes. (Mine aren't - old T2 wheel - so I have yet to understand why it seems to help me to keep some throttle on whilst braking!!) -- Laurence Wilmer [email hidden] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 12/02/01

I use single axis for throttle and brake,too. If you overdo it with one pedal, tapping the other one will negate some of it. If I use too much brake going into a corner, a touch of throttle will usually stop the skid if you're still going straight ahead. On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:05:20 GMT, "Laurence Wilmer" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:lDUl6.119867$[email hidden]... >> >> "Craig Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:bWTl6.4345$[email hidden]... >> > I'm starting to get the hang of this GPL lark; regular low 1:30s >at Monza, >> > starting to get to know Silverstone and the 'Glen, but there's >something >> > troubling me: should I be braking with my left foot? >> > >> > That is, will my performance benefit noticeably? Of course I'll >have to >> > 'relearn' my braking technique, but I assume It'll be worth it if >I can >> add >> > seconds to my personal bests... >> > >> > >> >> Simple Answer: >> >> Yes >> >> KFG >> >Not quite so simple answer:- >Yes, provided your throttle and brake are on split axes. >(Mine aren't - old T2 wheel - so I have yet to understand why it seems >to help me to keep some throttle on whilst braking!!) > >-- >Laurence Wilmer >[email hidden] > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 12/02/01 > >

> Yes, provided your throttle and brake are on split axes. > (Mine aren't - old T2 wheel - so I have yet to understand why it seems > to help me to keep some throttle on whilst braking!!) I also use a T2, and using both feet is only way to go. It's a matter of response time and smoothness. rms [email hidden]

> Simple Answer: > > Yes > > KFG > And not only for GPL. Jerry Morelock

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 even with split axis it helps to use the throttle while braking in the following situation : Let's say you brake too late (as usual), you throw the car into a slide to slow you down more, but you are starting to get oversteer. If you do it the 'right' way you release the brakes, countersteer and stop the car, with luck you will not be 180� from the correct direction. If you keep the brakes (release just a little) but pu some throttle you will see you car magically going back to the right direction. why is that ? Well when you oversteer (or understeer) the direction of the car (the chassis) is not the same as the direction the car is moving (it is going sort ot sideways), if you put the brakes on the front you lose direction of the front and while you put power on the back wheels the card will "self right" itself. So for gpl the trick is especially good when you want to pass someone, brake late, too late, start to oversteer, correct your trajectory with the throttle, not too much otherwise you will find yourself at the complete outside of the corner and the guy you passed will laugh and re pass you on the inside of the exit of the corner. Good luck "Laurence Wilmer" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: Q6Xl6.4698$[email hidden]...

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> > "Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lDUl6.119867$[email hidden]... > > > > "Craig Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:bWTl6.4345$[email hidden]... > > > I'm starting to get the hang of this GPL lark; regular low > > > 1:30s > at Monza, > > > starting to get to know Silverstone and the 'Glen, but there's > something > > > troubling me: should I be braking with my left foot? > > > > > > That is, will my performance benefit noticeably? Of course I'll > have to > > > 'relearn' my braking technique, but I assume It'll be worth it > > > if > I can > > add > > > seconds to my personal bests... > > > > > > > > > > Simple Answer: > > > > Yes > > > > KFG > > > Not quite so simple answer:- > Yes, provided your throttle and brake are on split axes. > (Mine aren't - old T2 wheel - so I have yet to understand why it > seems to help me to keep some throttle on whilst braking!!) > > -- > Laurence Wilmer > [email hidden] > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 12/02/01 > >

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>(Mine aren't - old T2 wheel - so I have yet to understand why it seems >to help me to keep some throttle on whilst braking!!) Put simply, single axis pedals act the same as a joystick. So when you add some gas you are taking away some brake, and as soon as you brake you are taking away some gas. Lol SpeedFreek <uh-oh it's a signature> UKGPL http://www.ukgpl.com GPL Rank: -12.15 107% Average:104.525% http://www.speedfreek.clubferrari.com

Yes, those are exactly the thoughts that pass through my mind in that situation! That's why I can't get any better than mediocre - lack of concentration. -- Laurence Wilmer [email hidden] "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Gg6m6.5534$[email hidden]... > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > even with split axis it helps to use the throttle while braking in > the following situation : > > Let's say you brake too late (as usual), you throw the car into a > slide to slow you down more, but you are starting to get oversteer. > > If you do it the 'right' way you release the brakes, countersteer and > stop the car, with luck you will not be 180� from the correct > direction. > > If you keep the brakes (release just a little) but pu some throttle > you will see you car magically going back to the right direction. why > is that ? > > Well when you oversteer (or understeer) the direction of the car (the > chassis) is not the same as the direction the car is moving (it is > going sort ot sideways), if you put the brakes on the front you lose > direction of the front and while you put power on the back wheels the > card will "self right" itself. > > So for gpl the trick is especially good when you want to pass > someone, brake late, too late, start to oversteer, correct your > trajectory with the throttle, not too much otherwise you will find > yourself at the complete outside of the corner and the guy you passed > will laugh and re pass you on the inside of the exit of the corner. > > Good luck > > > "Laurence Wilmer" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le > message news: Q6Xl6.4698$[email hidden]... > > > > "Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:lDUl6.119867$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Craig Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:bWTl6.4345$[email hidden]... > > > > I'm starting to get the hang of this GPL lark; regular low > > > > 1:30s > > at Monza, > > > > starting to get to know Silverstone and the 'Glen, but there's > > something > > > > troubling me: should I be braking with my left foot? > > > > > > > > That is, will my performance benefit noticeably? Of course I'll > > have to > > > > 'relearn' my braking technique, but I assume It'll be worth it > > > > if > > I can > > > add > > > > seconds to my personal bests... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simple Answer: > > > > > > Yes > > > > > > KFG > > > > > Not quite so simple answer:- > > Yes, provided your throttle and brake are on split axes. > > (Mine aren't - old T2 wheel - so I have yet to understand why it > > seems to help me to keep some throttle on whilst braking!!) > > > > -- > > Laurence Wilmer > > [email hidden] > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 12/02/01 > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> > > iQA/AwUBOpjwlAhv7FFac7/nEQJZ+ACePJgZZIOcqFl6wSD3T85Fdnxq+e0AoOWF > KP+/XlLjMgENlHGb3Qd5cfCK > =Y3ba > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 12/02/01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 car racing is one of the most repetitive tasks of all, every lap, brakign at the same place, with the same strength while turning the wheel the same amount.... It is very impressive when you have the chane to take a ride with a professional driver to see this, it's like a robot, doing always the same at the same time...over and over again "Laurence Wilmer" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: 4Qam6.6034$[email hidden]...

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> Yes, those are exactly the thoughts that pass through my mind in > that situation! That's why I can't get any better than mediocre - > lack of concentration. > > -- > Laurence Wilmer > [email hidden] > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Gg6m6.5534$[email hidden]... > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > even with split axis it helps to use the throttle while braking > > in the following situation : > > > > Let's say you brake too late (as usual), you throw the car into a > > slide to slow you down more, but you are starting to get > > oversteer. > > > > If you do it the 'right' way you release the brakes, countersteer > and > > stop the car, with luck you will not be 180� from the correct > > direction. > > > > If you keep the brakes (release just a little) but pu some > > throttle you will see you car magically going back to the right > > direction. > why > > is that ? > > > > Well when you oversteer (or understeer) the direction of the car > (the > > chassis) is not the same as the direction the car is moving (it > > is going sort ot sideways), if you put the brakes on the front > > you lose direction of the front and while you put power on the > > back wheels > the > > card will "self right" itself. > > > > So for gpl the trick is especially good when you want to pass > > someone, brake late, too late, start to oversteer, correct your > > trajectory with the throttle, not too much otherwise you will > > find yourself at the complete outside of the corner and the guy > > you > passed > > will laugh and re pass you on the inside of the exit of the > > corner. > > > > Good luck > > > > > > "Laurence Wilmer" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le > > message news: Q6Xl6.4698$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:lDUl6.119867$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "Craig Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:bWTl6.4345$[email hidden]... > > > > > I'm starting to get the hang of this GPL lark; regular low > > > > > 1:30s > > > at Monza, > > > > > starting to get to know Silverstone and the 'Glen, but > > > > > there's > > > something > > > > > troubling me: should I be braking with my left foot? > > > > > > > > > > That is, will my performance benefit noticeably? Of course > I'll > > > have to > > > > > 'relearn' my braking technique, but I assume It'll be worth > > > > > it if > > > I can > > > > add > > > > > seconds to my personal bests... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simple Answer: > > > > > > > > Yes > > > > > > > > KFG > > > > > > > Not quite so simple answer:- > > > Yes, provided your throttle and brake are on split axes. > > > (Mine aren't - old T2 wheel - so I have yet to understand why > > > it seems to help me to keep some throttle on whilst braking!!) > > > > > > -- > > > Laurence Wilmer > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 12/02/01 > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use > <http://www.pgp.com> > > > > iQA/AwUBOpjwlAhv7FFac7/nEQJZ+ACePJgZZIOcqFl6wSD3T85Fdnxq+e0AoOWF > > KP+/XlLjMgENlHGb3Qd5cfCK > > =Y3ba > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 12/02/01 >

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"Craig Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bWTl6.4345$[email hidden]... > I'm starting to get the hang of this GPL lark; regular low 1:30s at Monza, > starting to get to know Silverstone and the 'Glen, but there's something > troubling me: should I be braking with my left foot? > > That is, will my performance benefit noticeably? Of course I'll have to > 'relearn' my braking technique, but I assume It'll be worth it if I canadd > seconds to my personal bests... I only started getting into the low 1:30s after learning left-foot-braking. And of course, after splitting my brake and throttle axes. If that feature isn't available to you, then it won't do you any good at all. If you're already in the low 1:30's, then left-footing would only shave tenths off your time really. Yousuf Khan

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> car racing is one of the most repetitive tasks of all, every lap, > brakign at the same place, with the same strength while turning the > wheel the same amount.... > > It is very impressive when you have the chane to take a ride with a > professional driver to see this, it's like a robot, doing always the > same at the same time...over and over again

What always impressed me was the ability to vary the lap times. How often do we hear a driver say he 'pushed' here or 'held back' there. When CART drivers are told to slow down and save fuel....how do they? The uncanny sense of time the really good drivers posess must be phenomenal(sp?) dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qXlm6.475237$[email hidden]... > > It is very impressive when you have the chane to take a ride with a > > professional driver to see this, it's like a robot, doing always the > > same at the same time...over and over again > What always impressed me was the ability to vary the lap times. Howoften > do we hear a driver say he 'pushed' here or 'held back' there. When CART > drivers are told to slow down and save fuel....how do they? The uncanny > sense of time the really good drivers posess must be phenomenal(sp?) > dave henrie Engine management systems with cockpit-mounted adjusters. Yousuf Khan

Engine management systems with***pit-mounted adjusters. Yousuf Khan

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 well, at least in truck racing the engine management system is called a knee and is controlled by the driver's leg. "Yousuf Khan" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: rqmm6.1$[email hidden]...

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> "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qXlm6.475237$[email hidden]... > > > It is very impressive when you have the chane to take a ride > > > with a professional driver to see this, it's like a robot, > > > doing always the same at the same time...over and over again > > What always impressed me was the ability to vary the lap times. > > How > often > > do we hear a driver say he 'pushed' here or 'held back' there. > > When CART drivers are told to slow down and save fuel....how do > > they? The uncanny sense of time the really good drivers posess > > must be phenomenal(sp?) dave henrie > > Engine management systems with cockpit-mounted adjusters. > > Yousuf Khan >

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"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qXlm6.475237$[email hidden]...

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> > car racing is one of the most repetitive tasks of all, every lap, > > brakign at the same place, with the same strength while turning the > > wheel the same amount.... > > > > It is very impressive when you have the chane to take a ride with a > > professional driver to see this, it's like a robot, doing always the > > same at the same time...over and over again > What always impressed me was the ability to vary the lap times. How

often > do we hear a driver say he 'pushed' here or 'held back' there. When CART > drivers are told to slow down and save fuel....how do they? The uncanny > sense of time the really good drivers posess must be phenomenal(sp?) > dave henrie I think it's experience. Must be about the same think like speedskaters who can do constant laptimes (less than a tenth of a second difference for 30 sec laps) when they skate a 10000 m. grtngs, hgrm >

I once did 4 straight 53.44 laps at IMS in GPL. Problem was, the guys I was racing were doing high 52's - consistency is fine but if you're slow, you're slow :( "Han Monsees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:97elum$ili$[email hidden]...

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> > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qXlm6.475237$[email hidden]... > > > car racing is one of the most repetitive tasks of all, every lap, > > > brakign at the same place, with the same strength while turning the > > > wheel the same amount.... > > > > > > It is very impressive when you have the chane to take a ride with a > > > professional driver to see this, it's like a robot, doing always the > > > same at the same time...over and over again > > What always impressed me was the ability to vary the lap times. How > often > > do we hear a driver say he 'pushed' here or 'held back' there. When

CART > > drivers are told to slow down and save fuel....how do they? The uncanny > > sense of time the really good drivers posess must be phenomenal(sp?) > > dave henrie > > I think it's experience. > Must be about the same think like speedskaters who can do constantlaptimes > (less than a tenth of a second difference for 30 sec laps) when they skatea

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> 10000 m. > > grtngs, > hgrm > > > >

In article <o6Bm6.2649$[email hidden]>, "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> writes: >I once did 4 straight 53.44 laps at IMS in GPL. > >Problem was, the guys I was racing were doing high 52's - consistency is >fine but if you're slow, you're slow :( > Haven't you been LISTENING to me???<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o6Bm6.2649$[email hidden]... > I once did 4 straight 53.44 laps at IMS in GPL. > > Problem was, the guys I was racing were doing high 52's - consistency is > fine but if you're slow, you're slow :( Amen! I'd rather see an exciting driver than a consistent driver. Alain Prost was consistent, but provided next to no excitement. His peers however, like Rene Arnoux, Gilles Villeneuve, and Mansell were less consistent but when they won, they'd be a lot more fun to watch. But then again, you can also have a very fast, exciting, _and_ consistent driver like Ayrton Senna, and you have a deadly combination. But how often do those guys come around? Yousuf Khan

In article <4Qam6.6034$[email hidden]>, "Laurence Wilmer" <[email hidden]> writes: >Yes, those are exactly the thoughts that pass through my mind in that >situation! That's why I can't get any better than mediocre - lack of >concentration. > Mine's just lack of skill - I have PLENTY of concentration... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.