Hi
seeing as the price is so low nowadays
I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb
perhaps all the way to 448MB
is there a way to measure how much ram is
being used in each game ?
How much RAM is worthwhile for gaming
A user asked whether to go beyond 192MB of RAM. Replies said benefits flatten beyond about 256MB under Windows 9x, noted a RAM-drive trick and memory-logging tools, and mentioned some older games had problems with large amounts of memory. An abusive troll post was mocked.
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I have 256 Mb now and have run all the way up to 512 Mb. I noticed no
difference in Win 98, Me or 2000 with either amount so I used the extra 256
megs to help out my machine at work. :-) 128 Mb --> 256 Mb makes a
difference these days as does the speed rating of your RAM. Are we talking
about PC100 or PC133 RAM sticks here?
A good utility to check your RAM status is RAMPage found at:
http://www.jfitz.com/software/RAMpage/index.htm
However, as it uses CPU cycles I wouldn't recommend keeping it running in
the background while playing games if you want to optimize CPU usage.
Darren
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"leong" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: Hi
:
: seeing as the price is so low nowadays
: I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb
: perhaps all the way to 448MB
:
: is there a way to measure how much ram is
: being used in each game ?
:
:
I think I read somewhere that too much RAM would actually make Windows
run slower. Don't know how true it is.
On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:44:45 +0800, "leong"
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>Hi > >seeing as the price is so low nowadays >I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb >perhaps all the way to 448MB > >is there a way to measure how much ram is >being used in each game ? > > I recently read some magazine benchmarks, it may have been MaximumPC,
and they concluded that windows9x will gain some performance up to 196.
After that the improvement curve really flattens out.
I think you should be considering 128 to be a minimum, and if you run any
background programs like Game Commander or a voice program, then you'll
definatelly need more than 128(although my current box with 128 has never
locked up even with 3 programs running behind my racing sims)
Some of the newer sims like N4 "may" gain from increased ram but not much.
and...there are persistant stories from tech guys who come back from
official
MS service workshops who state Windows9x was never designed to handle 256k.
It 'will' run with that amount and even more, but your os won't benefit.
If you are already at 196 then the gains would be slight at best. UNLESS
you have old basic ram The brand new DDR ram is supposed to be 10 to 20%
faster than curretn SDRam, but you will need a whole new motherboard to gain
that advantage.
Once you have your basic needs met, and 196 megs 'should' do that, here's
my path for upgrades
a) CPU always always always get the most CPU you can afford. Fancy Vid
cards, trick memory, they will not help you if your CPU is drowning.
b) VideoCard
c) RAM
d) hard drive increase(ata100 is readily available)
e) Soundcard improvements
dave henrie
"Darren Duncan" <dags@(nospam)ky.xaxon.ne.jp> wrote in message
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> I have 256 Mb now and have run all the way up to 512 Mb. I noticed no
> difference in Win 98, Me or 2000 with either amount so I used the extra256
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> megs to help out my machine at work. :-) 128 Mb --> 256 Mb makes a > difference these days as does the speed rating of your RAM. Are we talking > about PC100 or PC133 RAM sticks here? > > A good utility to check your RAM status is RAMPage found at: > > http://www.jfitz.com/software/RAMpage/index.htm > > However, as it uses CPU cycles I wouldn't recommend keeping it running in > the background while playing games if you want to optimize CPU usage. > > > Darren > --------------------------------------------------------- > TopGear Offline GP3 League > http://topgear.dhs.org/cgi-bin/main/ > In line with the F1 Calendar > --------------------------------------------------------- > > "leong" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > : Hi > : > : seeing as the price is so low nowadays > : I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb > : perhaps all the way to 448MB > : > : is there a way to measure how much ram is > : being used in each game ? > : > : > >
"Power Post 2000" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I think I read somewhere that too much RAM would actually make Windows
> run slower. Don't know how true it is. That was true with older VX boards that came out near the beginnings of
the
pentium days. anything over 64 megs would bring the system to a crawl.
Most motherboard and chipsets these days easily handle at least up to 512
but
there is some debate on how much improvement you will see after a certain
level.(my above post put that around 196)
dave henrie
On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:44:45 +0800, "leong"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>Hi
>
>seeing as the price is so low nowadays
>I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb
>perhaps all the way to 448MB
I have 512meg in a P3/1000/133fsb and it works great. I doubt I am
using all of that ram in games, but I do a lot of graphic processing
and I know it help out there.
There are some tweaks to windows which will cause it to use the
available ram more readily than a swap file, too, like this:
http://members.aol.com/axcel216/98-4.htm#COSW
~daxe
No amount of RAM is too much. I'd bet that within a very few years, a
Gig of RAM will be the norm...
> Most motherboard and chipsets these days easily handle at least up to 512
> but
> there is some debate on how much improvement you will see after a certain
> level.(my above post put that around 196)
> dave henrie
There is a trick you can do in Win98 to utilize ram above 256 MB. Let's say
you have 512 MB. You can create a ramdrive out of the add'l 256, and point
the windows swap file to that ram drive.
For the most part,Win9x is too stupid to use ram over 256, but you can force
it to, using the method above.
"Barton Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> No amount of RAM is too much. I'd bet that within a very few years, a
> Gig of RAM will be the norm...
True, but in a few years the OS, motherboards, and ram specs will have
changed, so I'm not sure buying a gig of ram now is the thing to do :)
On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:16:36 -0600, "Jeff Jones" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
But 256mb is not a big enough swap file for some games. B17-2 for
example requires at least a 400mb swap file.
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>There is a trick you can do in Win98 to utilize ram above 256 MB. Let's say >you have 512 MB. You can create a ramdrive out of the add'l 256, and point >the windows swap file to that ram drive. > >For the most part,Win9x is too stupid to use ram over 256, but you can force >it to, using the method above. >You can never have too much RAM ;-).. All though I have many graphic
editing programs and music editing programs that just love eating up ram!
Thom_j.
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| Hi | | seeing as the price is so low nowadays | I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb | perhaps all the way to 448MB | | is there a way to measure how much ram is | being used in each game ? | |I've herd that GPL won't work with more than 512mb so 512+ is too much ;)
Alex
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> No amount of RAM is too much. I'd bet that within a very few years, a
> Gig of RAM will be the norm...
hi
I have PC133 but runs them at 100
( cant move the FSB to 133 yet )
any case, tried the rampage utility
but it does not store / record its data
so how do you know how is the ram usage during the game ??
Darren Duncan <dags@(nospam)ky.xaxon.ne.jp> wrote in message
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> I have 256 Mb now and have run all the way up to 512 Mb. I noticed no
> difference in Win 98, Me or 2000 with either amount so I used the extra256
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> megs to help out my machine at work. :-) 128 Mb --> 256 Mb makes a > difference these days as does the speed rating of your RAM. Are we talking > about PC100 or PC133 RAM sticks here? > > A good utility to check your RAM status is RAMPage found at: > > http://www.jfitz.com/software/RAMpage/index.htm > > However, as it uses CPU cycles I wouldn't recommend keeping it running in > the background while playing games if you want to optimize CPU usage. > > > Darren > --------------------------------------------------------- > TopGear Offline GP3 League > http://topgear.dhs.org/cgi-bin/main/ > In line with the F1 Calendar > --------------------------------------------------------- > > "leong" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > : Hi > : > : seeing as the price is so low nowadays > : I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb > : perhaps all the way to 448MB > : > : is there a way to measure how much ram is > : being used in each game ? > : > : > > I'm not sure about GPL but Longbow 2 had that problem. either you had to
have lots of background apps running or create a separate ram disk. And
LB2's memory limit was ...I think...256k.
dave henrie
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> I've herd that GPL won't work with more than 512mb so 512+ is too much ;) > > Alex > Barton Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > No amount of RAM is too much. I'd bet that within a very few years, a > > Gig of RAM will be the norm... > >On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:48:31 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
> I'm not sure about GPL but Longbow 2 had that problem. either you had to
>have lots of background apps running or create a separate ram disk. And
>LB2's memory limit was ...I think...256k.
>dave henrie
256K?! More like 366mb. :-)
There is a utility you can get that will limit the amount of ram seen
by Windows to fix that problem. You can get one for Dos called xm.com
to limit memory in dos to 32mb also. Dos version of USNF and Harpoon2
won't run in a dos session if you have more than 32mb of ram.
My english bad but, you run ram 133 at 100? You foolish foreign
pig and slut. I hoping men from prison bring big dick to your sister.
Only stupeed animal buy 133 ram and run at 100. I know whores
who run ram at 133 but not you. Now I know why you lose all races.
I get my cat to make crap in your bed. You sleep on floor...
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:12:27 +0800, "leong"
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>hi > >I have PC133 but runs them at 100 >( cant move the FSB to 133 yet ) > > >any case, tried the rampage utility >but it does not store / record its data > >so how do you know how is the ram usage during the game ?? > > > >Darren Duncan <dags@(nospam)ky.xaxon.ne.jp> wrote in message >news:97b4vu$1vui$[email hidden]... >> I have 256 Mb now and have run all the way up to 512 Mb. I noticed no >> difference in Win 98, Me or 2000 with either amount so I used the extra >256 >> megs to help out my machine at work. :-) 128 Mb --> 256 Mb makes a >> difference these days as does the speed rating of your RAM. Are we talking >> about PC100 or PC133 RAM sticks here? >> >> A good utility to check your RAM status is RAMPage found at: >> >> http://www.jfitz.com/software/RAMpage/index.htm >> >> However, as it uses CPU cycles I wouldn't recommend keeping it running in >> the background while playing games if you want to optimize CPU usage. >> >> >> Darren >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> TopGear Offline GP3 League >> http://topgear.dhs.org/cgi-bin/main/ >> In line with the F1 Calendar >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> "leong" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> : Hi >> : >> : seeing as the price is so low nowadays >> : I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb >> : perhaps all the way to 448MB >> : >> : is there a way to measure how much ram is >> : being used in each game ? >> : >> : >> >> >"Yoli" <Nightmare@thisNG> wrote in message
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What was the purpose of this post? Yoli, please learn better english before
posting.
Anthony Brooks
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> My english bad but, you run ram 133 at 100? You foolish foreign > pig and slut. I hoping men from prison bring big dick to your sister. > Only stupeed animal buy 133 ram and run at 100. I know whores > who run ram at 133 but not you. Now I know why you lose all races. > I get my cat to make crap in your bed. You sleep on floor... > >>"Yoli" <Nightmare@thisNG> wrote
> My english bad but, you run ram 133 at 100? You foolish foreign
> pig and slut. I hoping men from prison bring big dick to your sister.
> Only stupeed animal buy 133 ram and run at 100. I know whores
> who run ram at 133 but not you. Now I know why you lose all races.
> I get my cat to make crap in your bed. You sleep on floor...
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ps..how much for the sister?
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> My english bad but, you run ram 133 at 100? You foolish foreign > pig and slut. I hoping men from prison bring big dick to your sister. > Only stupeed animal buy 133 ram and run at 100. I know whores > who run ram at 133 but not you. Now I know why you lose all races. > I get my cat to make crap in your bed. You sleep on floor... > > > > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:12:27 +0800, "leong" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >hi > > > >I have PC133 but runs them at 100 > >( cant move the FSB to 133 yet ) > > > > > >any case, tried the rampage utility > >but it does not store / record its data > > > >so how do you know how is the ram usage during the game ?? > > > > > > > >Darren Duncan <dags@(nospam)ky.xaxon.ne.jp> wrote in message > >news:97b4vu$1vui$[email hidden]... > >> I have 256 Mb now and have run all the way up to 512 Mb. I noticed no > >> difference in Win 98, Me or 2000 with either amount so I used the extra > >256 > >> megs to help out my machine at work. :-) 128 Mb --> 256 Mb makes a > >> difference these days as does the speed rating of your RAM. Are weQuoted text (7 lines)
> >> about PC100 or PC133 RAM sticks here? > >> > >> A good utility to check your RAM status is RAMPage found at: > >> > >> http://www.jfitz.com/software/RAMpage/index.htm > >> > >> However, as it uses CPU cycles I wouldn't recommend keeping it runningQuoted text (26 lines)
> >> the background while playing games if you want to optimize CPU usage. > >> > >> > >> Darren > >> --------------------------------------------------------- > >> TopGear Offline GP3 League > >> http://topgear.dhs.org/cgi-bin/main/ > >> In line with the F1 Calendar > >> --------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> "leong" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:[email hidden]... > >> : Hi > >> : > >> : seeing as the price is so low nowadays > >> : I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb > >> : perhaps all the way to 448MB > >> : > >> : is there a way to measure how much ram is > >> : being used in each game ? > >> : > >> : > >> > >> > > >If his English is *bad* how did he learn all these juvenille 4-letter trash
words? More things that make you say hmmmmm?
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| "Yoli" <Nightmare@thisNG> wrote in message | news:[email hidden]... | > My english bad but, you run ram 133 at 100? You foolish foreign | > pig and slut. I hoping men from prison bring big dick to your sister. | > Only stupeed animal buy 133 ram and run at 100. I know whores | > who run ram at 133 but not you. Now I know why you lose all races. | > I get my cat to make crap in your bed. You sleep on floor... | > | > | What was the purpose of this post? Yoli, please learn better englishHahahahaha I wasnt going to post it but I am glad you did Dave!!
GMTA! :-).. Thom_j.
P.S. Sadly tho' the fatal diseases are free!! ;o(
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| ps..how much for the sister?<snipped>
Andre is it really Ymenard passing himself off as this "Yoli"? Gee
what does your sister look like Ymenard?? Sorry the devil made
me do it!! <VBG> Thom_j.
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| >| "Yoli" <Nightmare@thisNG> wrote in message | >| news:[email hidden]... | >| > My english bad but, you run ram 133 at 100? You foolish foreign | >| > pig and slut. I hoping men from prison bring big dick to your sister. | >| > Only stupeed animal buy 133 ram and run at 100. I know whores | >| > who run ram at 133 but not you. Now I know why you lose all races. | >| > I get my cat to make crap in your bed. You sleep on floor... | | Stop it Ymenard :) | | | Andre | | "Michael feels the same way about safety in auto racing as I do. GreatAndre is it really Ymenard passing himself off as this "Yoli"? Gee
what does your sister look like Ymenard?? Sorry the devil made
me do it!! <VBG> Thom_j.
minds
| think alike." - David G Fisher
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| >| > My english bad but, you run ram 133 at 100? You foolish foreign | >| > pig and slut. I hoping men from prison bring big*** to your sister. | >| > Only stupeed animal buy 133 ram and run at 100. I know ***s | >| > who run ram at 133 but not you. Now I know why you lose all races. | >| > I get my cat to make ***in your bed. You sleep on floor... | | Stop it Ymenard :) | | | Andre | | "Michael feels the same way about safety in auto racing as I do. Great>"Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote
> Andre is it really Ymenard passing himself off as this "Yoli"?
I'm not a mean person ;-)
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hi Darren
memlog RECORDS your free ram and
sends them to a .csv file.
You will be surprised to see how much ram your
game ACTUALLY USED !!!
Try it.
it is also found at the site you recommended.
Thanks
Leong
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> I don't use RAMPage but it let's you know you have enough memory *before" > you start up the game. > > I don't know of a utility that tracks RAM usage while a game is running. > Isn't that kind of stuff built into Win2000? > > Darren > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------- > TopGear Offline GP3 League > http://topgear.dhs.org/cgi-bin/main/ > In line with the F1 Calendar > --------------------------------------------------------- > > "leong" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3a9a6105$[email hidden]... > : hi > : > : I have PC133 but runs them at 100 > : ( cant move the FSB to 133 yet ) > : > : > : any case, tried the rampage utility > : but it does not store / record its data > : > : so how do you know how is the ram usage during the game ?? > : > : > : > : Darren Duncan <dags@(nospam)ky.xaxon.ne.jp> wrote in message > : news:97b4vu$1vui$[email hidden]... > : > I have 256 Mb now and have run all the way up to 512 Mb. I noticed no > : > difference in Win 98, Me or 2000 with either amount so I used theQuoted text (40 lines)
> : 256 > : > megs to help out my machine at work. :-) 128 Mb --> 256 Mb makes a > : > difference these days as does the speed rating of your RAM. Are we > talking > : > about PC100 or PC133 RAM sticks here? > : > > : > A good utility to check your RAM status is RAMPage found at: > : > > : > http://www.jfitz.com/software/RAMpage/index.htm > : > > : > However, as it uses CPU cycles I wouldn't recommend keeping it running > in > : > the background while playing games if you want to optimize CPU usage. > : > > : > > : > Darren > : > --------------------------------------------------------- > : > TopGear Offline GP3 League > : > http://topgear.dhs.org/cgi-bin/main/ > : > In line with the F1 Calendar > : > --------------------------------------------------------- > : > > : > "leong" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : > news:[email hidden]... > : > : Hi > : > : > : > : seeing as the price is so low nowadays > : > : I wonder if I should go beyond 192 Mb > : > : perhaps all the way to 448MB > : > : > : > : is there a way to measure how much ram is > : > : being used in each game ? > : > : > : > : > : > > : > > : > : > >I was only joking anywayz ymenard.. But the devil did make
me say the rest.... Sorry bout dat!! :-) Cheers Thom_j.
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