guess i'm too old & slow for n4

I've been racing this series since it debuted, and I consider myself a pretty fair driver. Hey, I used to run the old online series and rarely crashed! Even won a few. I hadn't raced in awhile, but immediately bought N4 and had a go. Well, I've been trying to run Daytona for a couple of weeks now, and I'm a complete loser. I can't hold my line consistently at all, and we all know what that means. I made 20 laps one time, but that was because I was at the back of a draft, just holding on. I usually wipe out in the first 10 laps. In the middle of a pack, I'm a wreck just looking for a place to happen. Anyone else having the same frustrations? Or is everybody running like champs? I love the new physics model, but damn! This may make me climb back into the B-17 and leave the racing to you young fellas. Lee

I too have not finished a race at Daytona, I tried the arcade and lost interest quickly. I went back to N3 until the patch to save the race at certain points come out. I don't have the time to waste on a 40 lap race, only to loose it all in one slip up. I can't even get to a point where stategy comes in to play. I really like the N4 and look forward to running it as much as I do N3. Until then I am happy with what I have.

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> I've been racing this series since it debuted, and I consider myself a > pretty fair driver. Hey, I used to run the old online series and rarely > crashed! Even won a few. > > I hadn't raced in awhile, but immediately bought N4 and had a go. Well, I've > been trying to run Daytona for a couple of weeks now, and I'm a complete > loser. I can't hold my line consistently at all, and we all know what that > means. I made 20 laps one time, but that was because I was at the back of a > draft, just holding on. I usually wipe out in the first 10 laps. In the > middle of a pack, I'm a wreck just looking for a place to happen. > > Anyone else having the same frustrations? Or is everybody running like > champs? > > I love the new physics model, but damn! This may make me climb back into the > B-17 and leave the racing to you young fellas. > > Lee

After 2,500 miles at 'Dega, I am at the point that I can go virtually the entire race w/o crashing into something (or someone), and usually it is because the AI pulls a boner on me (which of course means that I have to anticipate the kinds of 'boners' the AI tends to commit and anticipate accordingly). Racing in a pack isn't much of a problem anymore - just requires steel nerves and a deft touch on the wheel. But attempts to get going on the other tracks have proved abortive. Somehow the AI manages to keep running at 160 at the apex at Indy, while I can't get above 140 w/o pushing out into the wall... John DiFool

The secret to running n4 is to soften up the right springs a 100-200 lbs and maybe lower the rear trackbar a notch.. try that and see if you handling doesnt improve alot.. PassedYa Lee Buchanan wrote:

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> I've been racing this series since it debuted, and I consider myself a > pretty fair driver. Hey, I used to run the old online series and rarely > crashed! Even won a few. > > I hadn't raced in awhile, but immediately bought N4 and had a go. Well, I've > been trying to run Daytona for a couple of weeks now, and I'm a complete > loser. I can't hold my line consistently at all, and we all know what that > means. I made 20 laps one time, but that was because I was at the back of a > draft, just holding on. I usually wipe out in the first 10 laps. In the > middle of a pack, I'm a wreck just looking for a place to happen. > > Anyone else having the same frustrations? Or is everybody running like > champs? > > I love the new physics model, but damn! This may make me climb back into the > B-17 and leave the racing to you young fellas. > > Lee

Thanks for the tip. And, hey, it's great to post a question and not be subjected to inane flaming. "nascarob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The secret to running n4 is to soften up the right springs a 100-200 lbsand > maybe lower the rear trackbar a notch.. try that and see if you handlingdoesnt

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> improve alot.. > > PassedYa > > > Lee Buchanan wrote: > > > I've been racing this series since it debuted, and I consider myself a > > pretty fair driver. Hey, I used to run the old online series and rarely > > crashed! Even won a few. > > > > I hadn't raced in awhile, but immediately bought N4 and had a go. Well,

I've > > been trying to run Daytona for a couple of weeks now, and I'm a complete > > loser. I can't hold my line consistently at all, and we all know whatthat > > means. I made 20 laps one time, but that was because I was at the backof a

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> > draft, just holding on. I usually wipe out in the first 10 laps. In the > > middle of a pack, I'm a wreck just looking for a place to happen. > > > > Anyone else having the same frustrations? Or is everybody running like > > champs? > > > > I love the new physics model, but damn! This may make me climb back into

the > > B-17 and leave the racing to you young fellas. > > > > Lee >

My specs: 800 AMD, 256 ram, geforce 2 32 mb, sb live, sidewinder ff wheel. I'm running graphics at 900x720x16, direct3d, geforce ddr tnl. In practice at Daytona I'm getting 35-40 fps, dropping to a low of about 18 on the straights showing 12 cars ahead. I'm gonna keep trying. N4 does feel right, even if I can't keep it pointed in the right direction. Yet. "Tim O" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > It's funny, but I'm having the opposite experience with N4. > After playing GPL and SCGT with the advanced options patch, I couldn't > play N3 worth a damn. Since GPL and SCGT all modelled cars that were > very much in motion on all axis, N3 felt very funky to me. > There wasn't enough body motion there to give me the cues as to when > the car was going to let loose, and the whole thing just looked and > felt kind of bogus. > Firing up N4, I felt like I was at home. It took a few laps to get > used to the camber setups, but within a few races I was able to run > clean laps and beat the AI at the small ovals. > I wouldn't call myself fast, but I'm definitely on the right path with > N4 compared to N3. > > One thing you didn't mention was your system spec. > Are you maintaining 35+fps? N4 is definitely a hog, and a fast frame > rate is crucial. > > Tim > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:37:03 GMT, "Lee Buchanan" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I've been racing this series since it debuted, and I consider myself a > >pretty fair driver. Hey, I used to run the old online series and rarely > >crashed! Even won a few. > > > >I hadn't raced in awhile, but immediately bought N4 and had a go. Well,

I've > >been trying to run Daytona for a couple of weeks now, and I'm a complete > >loser. I can't hold my line consistently at all, and we all know whatthat > >means. I made 20 laps one time, but that was because I was at the back ofa

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> >draft, just holding on. I usually wipe out in the first 10 laps. In the > >middle of a pack, I'm a wreck just looking for a place to happen. > > > >Anyone else having the same frustrations? Or is everybody running like > >champs? > > > >I love the new physics model, but damn! This may make me climb back into

the > >B-17 and leave the racing to you young fellas. > > > >Lee > > > > >

Guys the fast setup in N4 is rather loose, and hard to hold the low line in the turns. Consider tightening it up a little, or load the intermediate setup and change it's gearing to match the gearing in the fast setup. N4 is not that difficult, just takes some tweaking and getting used to. And yes, I'm an old fart too :) -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Mack" <?[email hidden]?> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I too have not finished a race at Daytona, I tried the arcade and lost > interest quickly. I went back to N3 until the patch to save the race > at certain points come out. I don't have the time to waste on a 40 lap > race, only to loose it all in one slip up. I can't even get to a point > where stategy comes in to play. I really like the N4 and look forward > to running it as much as I do N3. Until then I am happy with what I > have.

I've noticed that using the roof view while learning Daytona and Dega's AI helped alot, it's also easier to save the car. I still get the damn stuttering frames which I hope will go away with an Mx card? Last night as I sit in my garage racing, the hot water heater decided to bust. Of course the wife had to run in and slap me on the back to let me know about it. Water 2' from me and I didn't even notice, now that's concentration!! First thing I did was move the tower off the floor..hehe!!! J. Janasov Tim O <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > It's funny, but I'm having the opposite experience with N4. > After playing GPL and SCGT with the advanced options patch, I couldn't > play N3 worth a damn. Since GPL and SCGT all modelled cars that were > very much in motion on all axis, N3 felt very funky to me. > There wasn't enough body motion there to give me the cues as to when > the car was going to let loose, and the whole thing just looked and > felt kind of bogus. > Firing up N4, I felt like I was at home. It took a few laps to get > used to the camber setups, but within a few races I was able to run > clean laps and beat the AI at the small ovals. > I wouldn't call myself fast, but I'm definitely on the right path with > N4 compared to N3. > > One thing you didn't mention was your system spec. > Are you maintaining 35+fps? N4 is definitely a hog, and a fast frame > rate is crucial. > > Tim > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:37:03 GMT, "Lee Buchanan" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I've been racing this series since it debuted, and I consider myself a > >pretty fair driver. Hey, I used to run the old online series and rarely > >crashed! Even won a few. > > > >I hadn't raced in awhile, but immediately bought N4 and had a go. Well,

I've > >been trying to run Daytona for a couple of weeks now, and I'm a complete > >loser. I can't hold my line consistently at all, and we all know whatthat > >means. I made 20 laps one time, but that was because I was at the back ofa

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> >draft, just holding on. I usually wipe out in the first 10 laps. In the > >middle of a pack, I'm a wreck just looking for a place to happen. > > > >Anyone else having the same frustrations? Or is everybody running like > >champs? > > > >I love the new physics model, but damn! This may make me climb back into

the > >B-17 and leave the racing to you young fellas. > > > >Lee > > > > >

It's funny, but I'm having the opposite experience with N4. After playing GPL and SCGT with the advanced options patch, I couldn't play N3 worth a damn. Since GPL and SCGT all modelled cars that were very much in motion on all axis, N3 felt very funky to me. There wasn't enough body motion there to give me the cues as to when the car was going to let loose, and the whole thing just looked and felt kind of bogus. Firing up N4, I felt like I was at home. It took a few laps to get used to the camber setups, but within a few races I was able to run clean laps and beat the AI at the small ovals. I wouldn't call myself fast, but I'm definitely on the right path with N4 compared to N3. One thing you didn't mention was your system spec. Are you maintaining 35+fps? N4 is definitely a hog, and a fast frame rate is crucial. Tim On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:37:03 GMT, "Lee Buchanan" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I've been racing this series since it debuted, and I consider myself a >pretty fair driver. Hey, I used to run the old online series and rarely >crashed! Even won a few. > >I hadn't raced in awhile, but immediately bought N4 and had a go. Well, I've >been trying to run Daytona for a couple of weeks now, and I'm a complete >loser. I can't hold my line consistently at all, and we all know what that >means. I made 20 laps one time, but that was because I was at the back of a >draft, just holding on. I usually wipe out in the first 10 laps. In the >middle of a pack, I'm a wreck just looking for a place to happen. > >Anyone else having the same frustrations? Or is everybody running like >champs? > >I love the new physics model, but damn! This may make me climb back into the >B-17 and leave the racing to you young fellas. > >Lee > >

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:20:01 GMT, "Lee Buchanan" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>My specs: 800 AMD, 256 ram, geforce 2 32 mb, sb live, sidewinder ff wheel. > >I'm running graphics at 900x720x16, direct3d, geforce ddr tnl. In practice >at Daytona I'm getting 35-40 fps, dropping to a low of about 18 on the >straights showing 12 cars ahead. > >I'm gonna keep trying. N4 does feel right, even if I can't keep it pointed >in the right direction. Yet.

From what I've been reading here, you might pick up a few FPS by running Open GL. I've seen a few posts stating differences of 8-10 fps over D3D. Tim

On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:29:42 -0500, "J. Janasov" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Last night as >I sit in my garage racing, the hot water heater decided to bust. I can help you with this. Just get rid of it alltogether. Hot water doesn't need to be heated. :o) ~daxe

> I hadn't raced in awhile, but immediately bought N4 and had a go. Well,I've > been trying to run Daytona for a couple of weeks now, and I'm a complete > loser. I can't hold my line consistently at all, and we all know what that > means. I made 20 laps one time, but that was because I was at the back ofa > draft, just holding on. I usually wipe out in the first 10 laps. In the > middle of a pack, I'm a wreck just looking for a place to happen. Set the steering to 1:32. Set caster and camber to 0 on both tires. Use around 50% linear steering. Make sure you have calibrated your wheel fully, sometimes it takes 2 tries to get it centered properly. Then, find a view you like and STICK WITH IT - I find roof cam is the best. Then drive 10 laps on the middle line, 10 laps on the low line and 10 laps on the high line as smoothly as possible, pretending there is a car next to you. Repeat until you can do all 30 laps without wiping out. Get a feel for the limits - how close you can get to the wall before touching, how close to the line you can get before a wheel goes onto the apron. Finally, start a race with a full field and skip qualifying, putting yourself at the back. Slowly work your way up through the field. The first 20 times or so, the AI will wipe you out on the first lap. Eventually, you get a feel for how the AI responds and you'll start making more and more laps before crashing. Worked for me. Hope this helps. -Phasor

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>On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:29:42 -0500, "J. Janasov" ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >> Last night as >>I sit in my garage racing, the hot water heater decided to bust. > >I can help you with this. Just get rid of it alltogether. Hot water >doesn't need to be heated. >

Maybe he wants a *cold* water heater. Maybe a hot water *cooler? <g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...F3 hcp. +373.73 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.