Dale Sr.

When Dr. Bohanan is quoted as saying "the facial impact into the steering wheel (cuz belt broke) was severe enough to break the back of Dale's skull". He originally said, on that black Sunday, that there was NO sign of facial injury. Not so sure he was telling the truth, maybe just playing into the potential hysteria that he could have caused by saying otherwise. If Dale hit the wheel with his face as he has now said, it is obvious he would have have some visible injury to his chin or jaw. Please Dale Jr., for your own sake (be selfish on this one, man), start wearing a full face helmet. I am no liberal, and I DO NOT enjoy ANY governing body telling me what is good for me. But it is clear and obvious that Dale Sr. would still be alive (not saying he would not have severe injuries) were it not for a full face helmet. The H.A.N.S. is a different argument all together (one which MUST be supported by all drivers). Maybe I am not familiar with the EXACT workings of the device, but if his head were not able to make contact with the wheel, it is clear what would not have happened. I am merely trying to put 1 and 1 together here. It seems so simple to me. 4 deaths in NASCAR in 3 yrs. is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE!! Even in this inherently dangerous sport. Why not do everything possible to prevent injury or death? Is it a deeply proud southern ignorance that prevents guys from using all safety equipment available to them?? ie: "i won't be told to wear a helmet on my motorbike!!..you can't tell me what's good for me!!"...is it this kind of ignorance that is in the mindset of drivers? I do NOT wish to have any more of my heros taken away from me because of this kind of mentality. It is senseless. IMHO. Dale was more of a hero to me alive then dead. And I am just a Canadian onlooker (big fan). F1 seems overdue for a driver's death. Other than the official in San Marino last year, it is since 94 when the beloved Ayrton Senna was taken from us. I REALLY HOPE I AM WRONG. We have seen somne horrific crashes with only broken bones as a result from some SERIOUS safety rules changes and implementations in F1. I wish NASCAR and all of its devoted members, drivers, crews, wives, fanily, etc. all step up their efforts ten fold. I miss Dale. Zoltan Barabas

A full faced helmet wouldn't have helped. He also had 8 broken ribs and a broken sturnum<---sp?. This would probably lead to pretty sever internal injuries. If you hit a concrete wall at 60 mph without a seatbelt, your chances of living are pretty slim. When you hit it at 180 mph you have no chance without a belt. It just happened that the head injuries killed him first. Xolio wrote in message <8JXm6.2129$[email hidden]>... >When Dr. Bohanan is quoted as saying "the facial impact into the steering >wheel (cuz belt broke) was severe enough to break the back of Dale'sskull".

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>He originally said, on that black Sunday, that there was NO sign of facial >injury. Not so sure he was telling the truth, maybe just playing into the >potential hysteria that he could have caused by saying otherwise. >If Dale hit the wheel with his face as he has now said, it is obvious he >would have have some visible injury to his chin or jaw. >Please Dale Jr., for your own sake (be selfish on this one, man), start >wearing a full face helmet. I am no liberal, and I DO NOT enjoy ANY >governing body telling me what is good for me. But it is clear and obvious >that Dale Sr. would still be alive (not saying he would not have severe >injuries) were it not for a full face helmet. >The H.A.N.S. is a different argument all together (one which MUST be >supported by all drivers). Maybe I am not familiar with the EXACT workings >of the device, but if his head were not able to make contact with the

wheel, >it is clear what would not have happened. I am merely trying to put 1 and 1 >together here. It seems so simple to me. >4 deaths in NASCAR in 3 yrs. is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE!! Even in this >inherently dangerous sport. Why not do everything possible to preventinjury >or death? >Is it a deeply proud southern ignorance that prevents guys from using all >safety equipment available to them?? ie: "i won't be told to wear a helmet >on my motorbike!!..you can't tell me what's good for me!!"...is it this kind >of ignorance that is in the mindset of drivers? >I do NOT wish to have any more of my heros taken away from me because of >this kind of mentality. It is senseless. IMHO. >Dale was more of a hero to me alive then dead. >And I am just a Canadian onlooker (big fan). >F1 seems overdue for a driver's death. Other than the official in SanMarino >last year, it is since 94 when the beloved Ayrton Senna was taken from us.I >REALLY HOPE I AM WRONG. >We have seen somne horrific crashes with only broken bones as a result from >some SERIOUS safety rules changes and implementations in F1. >I wish NASCAR and all of its devoted members, drivers, crews, wives,fanily,

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>etc. all step up their efforts ten fold. >I miss Dale. > >Zoltan Barabas > > > > >

The head injuries would have been just as severe with a full face helmet on. -- "Eric Franzen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HYXm6.482161$[email hidden]... > A full faced helmet wouldn't have helped. He also had 8 broken ribs and a > broken sturnum<---sp?. This would probably lead to pretty sever internal > injuries. If you hit a concrete wall at 60 mph without a seatbelt, your > chances of living are pretty slim. When you hit it at 180 mph you have no > chance without a belt. It just happened that the head injuries killed him > first. > > Xolio wrote in message <8JXm6.2129$[email hidden]>... > >When Dr. Bohanan is quoted as saying "the facial impact into the steering > >wheel (cuz belt broke) was severe enough to break the back of Dale's > skull". > >He originally said, on that black Sunday, that there was NO sign of facial > >injury. Not so sure he was telling the truth, maybe just playing into the > >potential hysteria that he could have caused by saying otherwise. > >If Dale hit the wheel with his face as he has now said, it is obvious he > >would have have some visible injury to his chin or jaw. > >Please Dale Jr., for your own sake (be selfish on this one, man), start > >wearing a full face helmet. I am no liberal, and I DO NOT enjoy ANY > >governing body telling me what is good for me. But it is clear and obvious > >that Dale Sr. would still be alive (not saying he would not have severe > >injuries) were it not for a full face helmet. > >The H.A.N.S. is a different argument all together (one which MUST be > >supported by all drivers). Maybe I am not familiar with the EXACT workings > >of the device, but if his head were not able to make contact with the > wheel, > >it is clear what would not have happened. I am merely trying to put 1 and 1 > >together here. It seems so simple to me. > >4 deaths in NASCAR in 3 yrs. is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE!! Even in this > >inherently dangerous sport. Why not do everything possible to prevent > injury > >or death? > >Is it a deeply proud southern ignorance that prevents guys from using all > >safety equipment available to them?? ie: "i won't be told to wear a helmet > >on my motorbike!!..you can't tell me what's good for me!!"...is it this kin > d > >of ignorance that is in the mindset of drivers? > >I do NOT wish to have any more of my heros taken away from me because of > >this kind of mentality. It is senseless. IMHO. > >Dale was more of a hero to me alive then dead. > >And I am just a Canadian onlooker (big fan). > >F1 seems overdue for a driver's death. Other than the official in San > Marino > >last year, it is since 94 when the beloved Ayrton Senna was taken from us. > I > >REALLY HOPE I AM WRONG. > >We have seen somne horrific crashes with only broken bones as a result from > >some SERIOUS safety rules changes and implementations in F1. > >I wish NASCAR and all of its devoted members, drivers, crews, wives, > fanily, > >etc. all step up their efforts ten fold. > >I miss Dale. > > > >Zoltan Barabas > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >The head injuries would have been just as severe with a full face helmet on. I agree. I do have a picture of the car while it impacted the wall and you can clearly see the Dale did hit the wheel. No I am not proud of the picture but it does help me see what really happened. I was getting tired of all the run arounds that NASCAR was pulling on this one. Two many different storys in one week. God Bless =================== Dwayne =================== "I told him he was number 1" (Dale Earnhardt) I will miss you Dale

When you hit it at 180 mph you have no > chance without a belt. He did not hit the wall at 180 mph. 180 mph was his speed in a straight line. Speed was then scrubbed off, and, he hit the wall at an angle.

He wasn't wearing a seat belt at all? JB "Eric Franzen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HYXm6.482161$[email hidden]...

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> A full faced helmet wouldn't have helped. He also had 8 broken ribs and a > broken sturnum<---sp?. This would probably lead to pretty sever internal > injuries. If you hit a concrete wall at 60 mph without a seatbelt, your > chances of living are pretty slim. When you hit it at 180 mph you have no > chance without a belt. It just happened that the head injuries killed him > first. > > Xolio wrote in message <8JXm6.2129$[email hidden]>... > >When Dr. Bohanan is quoted as saying "the facial impact into the steering > >wheel (cuz belt broke) was severe enough to break the back of Dale's > skull". > >He originally said, on that black Sunday, that there was NO sign of

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> >injury. Not so sure he was telling the truth, maybe just playing into the > >potential hysteria that he could have caused by saying otherwise. > >If Dale hit the wheel with his face as he has now said, it is obvious he > >would have have some visible injury to his chin or jaw. > >Please Dale Jr., for your own sake (be selfish on this one, man), start > >wearing a full face helmet. I am no liberal, and I DO NOT enjoy ANY > >governing body telling me what is good for me. But it is clear and

obvious > >that Dale Sr. would still be alive (not saying he would not have severe > >injuries) were it not for a full face helmet. > >The H.A.N.S. is a different argument all together (one which MUST be > >supported by all drivers). Maybe I am not familiar with the EXACTworkings > >of the device, but if his head were not able to make contact with the > wheel, > >it is clear what would not have happened. I am merely trying to put 1 and1

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> >together here. It seems so simple to me. > >4 deaths in NASCAR in 3 yrs. is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE!! Even in this > >inherently dangerous sport. Why not do everything possible to prevent > injury > >or death? > >Is it a deeply proud southern ignorance that prevents guys from using all > >safety equipment available to them?? ie: "i won't be told to wear a

helmet > >on my motorbike!!..you can't tell me what's good for me!!"...is it thiskin

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> d > >of ignorance that is in the mindset of drivers? > >I do NOT wish to have any more of my heros taken away from me because of > >this kind of mentality. It is senseless. IMHO. > >Dale was more of a hero to me alive then dead. > >And I am just a Canadian onlooker (big fan). > >F1 seems overdue for a driver's death. Other than the official in San > Marino > >last year, it is since 94 when the beloved Ayrton Senna was taken from

us. > I > >REALLY HOPE I AM WRONG. > >We have seen somne horrific crashes with only broken bones as a resultfrom

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> >some SERIOUS safety rules changes and implementations in F1. > >I wish NASCAR and all of its devoted members, drivers, crews, wives, > fanily, > >etc. all step up their efforts ten fold. > >I miss Dale. > > > >Zoltan Barabas > > > > > > > > > > > >

Very true...we need to know the angle he hit the wall to know his relative impact speed with the wall. JB "Incubus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:U%8n6.716$[email hidden]...

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> > When you hit it at 180 mph you have no > > chance without a belt. > > He did not hit the wall at 180 mph. > > 180 mph was his speed in a straight line. Speed was then scrubbed off,

and, > he hit the wall at an angle. > >

The seatbelt was broken. Whether it broke sometime during the race, or on impact is not clear. Wosco <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SXdn6.742$[email hidden]...

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> He wasn't wearing a seat belt at all? > > JB > > "Eric Franzen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HYXm6.482161$[email hidden]... > > A full faced helmet wouldn't have helped. He also had 8 broken ribs and

a > > broken sturnum<---sp?. This would probably lead to pretty severinternal > > injuries. If you hit a concrete wall at 60 mph without a seatbelt, your > > chances of living are pretty slim. When you hit it at 180 mph you haveno > > chance without a belt. It just happened that the head injuries killedhim > > first. > > > > Xolio wrote in message <8JXm6.2129$[email hidden]>... > > >When Dr. Bohanan is quoted as saying "the facial impact into thesteering > > >wheel (cuz belt broke) was severe enough to break the back of Dale's > > skull". > > >He originally said, on that black Sunday, that there was NO sign of > facial > > >injury. Not so sure he was telling the truth, maybe just playing intothe > > >potential hysteria that he could have caused by saying otherwise. > > >If Dale hit the wheel with his face as he has now said, it is obvioushe

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> > >would have have some visible injury to his chin or jaw. > > >Please Dale Jr., for your own sake (be selfish on this one, man), start > > >wearing a full face helmet. I am no liberal, and I DO NOT enjoy ANY > > >governing body telling me what is good for me. But it is clear and > obvious > > >that Dale Sr. would still be alive (not saying he would not have severe > > >injuries) were it not for a full face helmet. > > >The H.A.N.S. is a different argument all together (one which MUST be > > >supported by all drivers). Maybe I am not familiar with the EXACT > workings > > >of the device, but if his head were not able to make contact with the > > wheel, > > >it is clear what would not have happened. I am merely trying to put 1

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> > >this kind of mentality. It is senseless. IMHO. > > >Dale was more of a hero to me alive then dead. > > >And I am just a Canadian onlooker (big fan). > > >F1 seems overdue for a driver's death. Other than the official in San > > Marino > > >last year, it is since 94 when the beloved Ayrton Senna was taken from > us. > > I > > >REALLY HOPE I AM WRONG. > > >We have seen somne horrific crashes with only broken bones as a result > from > > >some SERIOUS safety rules changes and implementations in F1. > > >I wish NASCAR and all of its devoted members, drivers, crews, wives, > > fanily, > > >etc. all step up their efforts ten fold. > > >I miss Dale. > > > > > >Zoltan Barabas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Xolio" <[email hidden]> wrote in <8JXm6.2129$[email hidden]>: >I miss Dale. > >Zoltan Barabas Please, this is not rec.autos.sports.nascar. You will find your post on- topic in there. Z. -- Please remove my_pants when replying by email.

On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 12:12:42 -0000, [email hidden] (Zonky) wrote: >Please, this is not rec.autos.sports.nascar. You will find your post on- >topic in there. Nor is this a Formula 1 or computer hardware newsgroup. How come you aren't giving those threads a hard time? Martin Long Live Nigel Mansell!

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>On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 12:12:42 -0000, [email hidden] >(Zonky) wrote: > >>Please, this is not rec.autos.sports.nascar. You will find your post on- >>topic in there. > > Nor is this a Formula 1 or computer hardware newsgroup. How >come you aren't giving those threads a hard time? > >Martin >Long Live Nigel Mansell! >

Computer Hardware in relation to use and suitability with sims _would_ be on topic. Z. -- Please remove my_pants when replying by email.