N4: B.S. Black Flags

I am pleased about one thing - if you very briefly exceed the pit speed limit for an instant, they won't black flag you anymore (is there an unspoken rule in real NASCAR about a 5 MPH buffer on the pit speed limit? I can't believe that some official with a radar gun BFs a guy if he goes to 56 MPH for one second...). I wasn't too surprised when I spun coming out of four and to get back to my pit I had to cross the grass for a bit, and got a penalty (tho don't spun-out cars do that all the time in NASCAR?). Was still quicker than having to go all back around with 2 flats... But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for (seemingly) absolutely no reason. I entered pit road fine, exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you didn't exit pit lane safely." WTFO? Then I realized that I was flooring the throttle right after the car dropped down for the last time-perhaps my tach exceeded the tach limit? (3500) [they don't look at your actual speed???] For some reason there is a little lag in there after the car drops down when you just rev in neutral, then the guy says "gogogo!" and then the wheels start spinning. Perhaps the gas dude is still filling you up? Or are they really penalizing you for revving before the "go" signal? Either way it really POed me off, as I was running 3rd at the time... And what is with that idiot with the stop sign at the end of pit road during yellows? I see cars exiting abreast all the time in real life-if the official at that location actually stood where he does in the game, he'd be roadkill (I almost hit him a couple of times)... John DiFool

>"John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote > But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for > (seemingly) absolutely no reason. I entered pit road fine, > exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed > to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you > didn't exit pit lane safely." What track was it? There is some known problems at Rockingham for that. Still, when you exit the pits, make sure you MERGE carefully until you are on the backstretch. > And what is with that idiot with the stop sign at the end of > pit road during yellows? Uhhh, if you see a STOP sign, STOP ;) If you see a GO sign, GO! > I see cars exiting abreast all the time > in real life-if the official at that location actually stood where > he does in the game, he'd be roadkill (I almost hit him a > couple of times)... No, he's there in real life! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for > (seemingly) absolutely no reason. I entered pit road fine, > exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed > to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you > didn't exit pit lane safely." WTFO? Then I realized that I > was flooring the throttle right after the car dropped down for Perhaps you merged onto the track too soon? You have to wait for a certain spot on the track before you can merge into traffic. Gunner

At Daytona for example, this was happening to me too, and I realized I was being black flagged for merging onto the track across the yellow solid blend line. "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JVUn6.14601$[email hidden]...

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> >"John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote > > But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for > > (seemingly) absolutely no reason. I entered pit road fine, > > exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed > > to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you > > didn't exit pit lane safely." > > What track was it? There is some known problems at Rockingham for that. > Still, when you exit the pits, make sure you MERGE carefully until you are > on the backstretch. > > > > And what is with that idiot with the stop sign at the end of > > pit road during yellows? > > > Uhhh, if you see a STOP sign, STOP ;) If you see a GO sign, GO! > > > I see cars exiting abreast all the time > > in real life-if the official at that location actually stood where > > he does in the game, he'd be roadkill (I almost hit him a > > couple of times)... > > No, he's there in real life! > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > > > >

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> >"John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote > > But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for > > (seemingly) absolutely no reason. I entered pit road fine, > > exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed > > to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you > > didn't exit pit lane safely." > > What track was it? There is some known problems at Rockingham for that. > Still, when you exit the pits, make sure you MERGE carefully until you are > on the backstretch.

Talladega (sorry)...the BF came out before I ever even thought about merging... JD

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> "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for > > (seemingly) absolutely no reason. I entered pit road fine, > > exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed > > to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you > > didn't exit pit lane safely." WTFO? Then I realized that I > > was flooring the throttle right after the car dropped down for > > Perhaps you merged onto the track too soon? You have to wait for a certain > spot on the track before you can merge into traffic. > > Gunner

It was 'Dega, and the start-finish line is about a hundred yards or so beyond the end of pit road, and I swear I did everything by the book. I wish I could challenge the official who flags me to a fight when he gives me bogus penalities like this (or my crew chief could argue my case...blehh). JD

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>"John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for >> (seemingly) absolutely no reason. I entered pit road fine, >> exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed >> to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you >> didn't exit pit lane safely." WTFO? Then I realized that I >> was flooring the throttle right after the car dropped down for > >Perhaps you merged onto the track too soon? You have to wait for a certain >spot on the track before you can merge into traffic. > >Gunner

Correct and on tracks with extended pit exit roads that go all the way to the backstretch....you had better use them.....don't cut across the grass either. (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

It doesn't have anything to do with the S/F line, you need to wait until you've passed the blend line before you can legally merge on to the track. Listen for the spotter to give you the OK to merge, at Dega the line just before the entrance to turn one. -- Eric "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It was 'Dega, and the start-finish line is about a hundred yards or so > beyond the end of pit road, and I swear I did everything by the book. > > I wish I could challenge the official who flags me to a fight when he > gives me bogus penalities like this (or my crew chief could argue my > case...blehh).

Eric Busch wrote: > It doesn't have anything to do with the S/F line, you need to wait until > you've passed the blend line before you can legally merge on to the track. > Listen for the spotter to give you the OK to merge, at Dega the line just > before the entrance to turn one. Again-I didn't do that-I was well below the merge line when I crossed start finish and got the message (besides it said something about exiting pit road unsafely and not merging improperly). JD

>Again-I didn't do that-I was well below the merge line when I crossed >start finish and got the message (besides it said something about exiting >pit road unsafely and not merging improperly). You were below the yellow line, right? Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

John, My fellow RAS'er. Listen up!! What happened was you PO'ed the official in the N4 sim and that's that!! Get over it!!...lol <G> "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... | Eric Busch wrote: | | > It doesn't have anything to do with the S/F line, you need to wait until | > you've passed the blend line before you can legally merge on to thetrack. | > Listen for the spotter to give you the OK to merge, at Dega the linejust

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| > before the entrance to turn one. | | Again-I didn't do that-I was well below the merge line when I crossed | start finish and got the message (besides it said something about exiting | pit road unsafely and not merging improperly). | | JD | |

John DiFool <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : Eric Busch wrote: : : > It doesn't have anything to do with the S/F line, you need to wait until : > you've passed the blend line before you can legally merge on to the track. : > Listen for the spotter to give you the OK to merge, at Dega the line just : > before the entrance to turn one. : : Again-I didn't do that-I was well below the merge line when I crossed : start finish and got the message (besides it said something about exiting : pit road unsafely and not merging improperly). Like he said, it has nothing to do with the S/F line. The merge line extends well past the S/F line almost into turn 1.

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> John DiFool <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > : Eric Busch wrote: > : > : > It doesn't have anything to do with the S/F line, you need to wait until > : > you've passed the blend line before you can legally merge on to the > track. > : > Listen for the spotter to give you the OK to merge, at Dega the line > just > : > before the entrance to turn one. > : > : Again-I didn't do that-I was well below the merge line when I crossed > : start finish and got the message (besides it said something about exiting > : pit road unsafely and not merging improperly). > > Like he said, it has nothing to do with the S/F line. The merge line extends > well past the S/F line almost into turn 1.

Again, the point was I only had 100 yards worth of merge line to violate before I reached S/F and got notified of the penalty, and I most certainly didn't cross the line (never came close), and that was NOT the penalty message I got anyway. Someone needs to check if revving too high before leaving your pit is the problem (I'll check today)...or, as someone else mentioned the official just 'had' it in for me... :-p John DiFool

**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** You still get BF'd (interpret as you wish) if you get spun out down into the pits, too :( After 4 revisions, I can't help but wonder why they haven't trapped for that. You wouldn't think it would be hard: procedure IsDriverSpeeding(YesNo:Boolean); begin IF CarIsExceedingPitSpeed AND CarIsSwappingAssEndAround OR CarHasSwappedAssEndAround AND DriverIsScreamingHisHeadOff AND DriversDrawersAreSoiled Then YesNo := 1 Else YesNo := 0 End; Please don't bother to critique my code. I wrote my last Pascal application in 1989, and I'm sure any compilor would have a fit with the above code :) -Larry "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I am pleased about one thing - if you very briefly exceed the > pit speed limit for an instant, they won't black flag you anymore > (is there an unspoken rule in real NASCAR about a 5 MPH > buffer on the pit speed limit? I can't believe that some official > with a radar gun BFs a guy if he goes to 56 MPH for one > second...). > > I wasn't too surprised when I spun coming out of four and to get > back to my pit I had to cross the grass for a bit, and got > a penalty (tho don't spun-out cars do that all the time in > NASCAR?). Was still quicker than having to go all back > around with 2 flats... > > But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for > (seemingly) absolutely no reason. I entered pit road fine, > exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed > to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you > didn't exit pit lane safely." WTFO? Then I realized that I > was flooring the throttle right after the car dropped down for > the last time-perhaps my tach exceeded the tach limit? (3500) > [they don't look at your actual speed???] > For some reason there is a little lag in there after the car > drops down when you just rev in neutral, then the guy says > "gogogo!" and then the wheels start spinning. Perhaps the > gas dude is still filling you up? Or are they really penalizing > you for revving before the "go" signal? > > Either way it really POed me off, as I was running 3rd at the > time... > > And what is with that idiot with the stop sign at the end of > pit road during yellows? I see cars exiting abreast all the time > in real life-if the official at that location actually stood where > he does in the game, he'd be roadkill (I almost hit him a > couple of times)... > > John DiFool > >

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**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** Uh, this doesn't make any sense... When you exit the pit at Dega, the S/F line is WAY behind you. When you leave the Pit, you HAVE to stay below the merge line well into turn 1. Right before the Apex, your Spotter should tell you it's ok to merge safely onto the track. The S/F line does not come into play here one iota, and I think that's why everyone is confused. If you ARE somehow doing something that is bring the S/F line into this, then I have no doubt that you SHOULD be getting a B/F :) -Larry "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Aitch wrote: > > > John DiFool <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > : Eric Busch wrote: > > : > > : > It doesn't have anything to do with the S/F line, you need to wait

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> > : > you've passed the blend line before you can legally merge on to the > > track. > > : > Listen for the spotter to give you the OK to merge, at Dega the line > > just > > : > before the entrance to turn one. > > : > > : Again-I didn't do that-I was well below the merge line when I

crossed > > : start finish and got the message (besides it said something aboutexiting > > : pit road unsafely and not merging improperly). > > > > Like he said, it has nothing to do with the S/F line. The merge lineextends > > well past the S/F line almost into turn 1. > > Again, the point was I only had 100 yards worth of merge line toviolate > before I reached S/F and got notified of the penalty, and I most certainly > didn't > cross the line (never came close), and that was NOT the penalty message Igot > anyway. > Someone needs to check if revving too high before leaving your pit is > the problem (I'll check today)...or, as someone else mentioned theofficial

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> just 'had' it in for me... :-p > > John DiFool > > > >

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Thanks Dog...we have been trying to figure out what this guy is doing/or explaining wrong....Methinks you hit it right on the nose.. dave henrie "Dog-Leg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > > Uh, this doesn't make any sense... > > When you exit the pit at Dega, the S/F line is WAY behind you. > > When you leave the Pit, you HAVE to stay below the merge line well into

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> 1. Right before the Apex, your Spotter should tell you it's ok to merge > safely onto the track. > > The S/F line does not come into play here one iota, and I think that's why > everyone is confused. > > If you ARE somehow doing something that is bring the S/F line into this, > then I have no doubt that you SHOULD be getting a B/F :) > > -Larry > > "John DiFool" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Aitch wrote: > > > > > John DiFool <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > : Eric Busch wrote: > > > : > > > : > It doesn't have anything to do with the S/F line, you need to wait > until > > > : > you've passed the blend line before you can legally merge on to

the > > > track. > > > : > Listen for the spotter to give you the OK to merge, at Dega theline

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> > > just > > > : > before the entrance to turn one. > > > : > > > : Again-I didn't do that-I was well below the merge line when I > crossed > > > : start finish and got the message (besides it said something about > exiting > > > : pit road unsafely and not merging improperly). > > > > > > Like he said, it has nothing to do with the S/F line. The merge line > extends > > > well past the S/F line almost into turn 1. > > > > Again, the point was I only had 100 yards worth of merge line to > violate > > before I reached S/F and got notified of the penalty, and I most

certainly > > didn't > > cross the line (never came close), and that was NOT the penalty messageI > got > > anyway. > > Someone needs to check if revving too high before leaving your pitis

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> > the problem (I'll check today)...or, as someone else mentioned the > official > > just 'had' it in for me... :-p > > > > John DiFool > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** > http://www.usenet.com > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

John DiFool wrote ... > I am pleased about one thing - if you very briefly exceed the > pit speed limit for an instant, they won't black flag you anymore > (is there an unspoken rule in real NASCAR about a 5 MPH > buffer on the pit speed limit? I can't believe that some official > with a radar gun BFs a guy if he goes to 56 MPH for one > second...). In real life (and I'm pretty sure in the game as well) they don't use a radar gun, but rather the time it takes you to cover certain sections of pit road. In other words, they're measuring an average speed over a certain distance. I don't know how big the sections are over which they measure it, but If the speed limit is 55 and you go 57 for one tenth that distance and 53 for the rest, your average speed for that section is below 55 and you're okay. This is way, way better than N3, where you got nailed for all but the briefest excess. > I wasn't too surprised when I spun coming out of four and to get > back to my pit I had to cross the grass for a bit, and got > a penalty (tho don't spun-out cars do that all the time in > NASCAR?). Was still quicker than having to go all back > around with 2 flats... It's not a bug, it's a feature ;-) If I had to pick just one thing to fix in the game, this would be it. > But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for > (seemingly) absolutely no reason. I entered pit road fine, > exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed > to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you > didn't exit pit lane safely." "... didn't exit pit lane safely" means one of two things -- you got your right wheels over the blend line before you should, or you exited the pit when the man had the stop sign up. As others have said, the blend line at Tally goes all the way into Turn 1, at which time your spotter will say something like "okay, merge when you can". IIRC, at the end of pit road the blend line is a long, long, way from the racing groove, so you could have been over the blend line but nowhere near the track and got a penalty. > Then I realized that I > was flooring the throttle right after the car dropped down for > the last time-perhaps my tach exceeded the tach limit? (3500) > [they don't look at your actual speed???] Your rpm's have nothing to do with pit road speed. The spotter will be telling you something like "keep it under 3500 in 2nd", but you can run 5300 in 1st with no problem, the average car speed is the only thing it looks at. Any problem in this area would have the spotter telling you "they caught us speeding on pit road". > And what is with that idiot with the stop sign at the end of > pit road during yellows? I see cars exiting abreast all the time > in real life-if the official at that location actually stood where > he does in the game, he'd be roadkill (I almost hit him a > couple of times)... Another realistic piece of Nascar. The flagman at the end of pit road will display the stop sign and not let anybody leave the pits from the time the pace car gets there until the last car on the pace lap is by. Then he gives the go sign and everyone can leave. Usually there's no problem because, by the time you finish your pit stop all the cars have gone by. When you say you almost hit him, that makes me think you crossed the blend line right there. I'm not sure how it is at Tally, but at most tracks if you go to the right of the flagman you're across the blend line. I use him as a guide to where the blend line is and run right over the top of him every time.

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> > > But...I was VERY peeved just now when they BFed me for > > (seemingly) absolutely no reason. I entered pit road fine, > > exited okay (even used the outside lane like I'm supposed > > to), crossed start-finish, never went above 55, and got a "you > > didn't exit pit lane safely." > > "... didn't exit pit lane safely" means one of two things -- you got your > right wheels over the blend line before you should, or you exited the pit > when the man had the stop sign up. As others have said, the blend line at > Tally goes all the way into Turn 1, at which time your spotter will say > something like "okay, merge when you can". IIRC, at the end of pit road the > blend line is a long, long, way from the racing groove, so you could have > been over the blend line but nowhere near the track and got a penalty. >

No, I realized what is going on here (after several tests to confirm): if you dip your wheels back past the solid white line denoting where the pit stalls are after you leave your own pit, they will BF you...

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> > And what is with that idiot with the stop sign at the end of > > pit road during yellows? I see cars exiting abreast all the time > > in real life-if the official at that location actually stood where > > he does in the game, he'd be roadkill (I almost hit him a > > couple of times)... > > Another realistic piece of Nascar. The flagman at the end of pit road will > display the stop sign and not let anybody leave the pits from the time the > pace car gets there until the last car on the pace lap is by. Then he gives > the go sign and everyone can leave. Usually there's no problem because, by > the time you finish your pit stop all the cars have gone by. When you say > you almost hit him, that makes me think you crossed the blend line right > there. I'm not sure how it is at Tally, but at most tracks if you go to the > right of the flagman you're across the blend line. I use him as a guide to > where the blend line is and run right over the top of him every time.

Okay, I was watching the Darlington race closely last weekend, and during yellows I didn't see the guy standing out on the pit stall white line at the end of pit road like this guy is (from your description it sounds like he is standing on the blend line to the RIGHT of pit road, not the left on the solid pit lane line). Again if he stood there during a real race he would get hit... John DiFool