The way NASCAR points SHOULD work

Standings points remain the same, except for DNFs: All DNFs receive 50 pts regardless of when they DNFed 5 points for leading green laps NO points for leading yellow laps 5 points for leading the most laps 5 points for pole position -5 for track infractions (speeding on pitrow, rough driving, etc) No time penalty -ALL points for off track infractions (illegal equipment, etc) No BONUS points for lapped cars. Led a lap, got lapped lose your 5 points. that's what I think. -- Member of the Nondeterministic Football League

I don't agree with the no time penalty. There are alot of drivers that don't run for the points and that would just let them do whatever they wanted. Also the no points for leading a lap then getting lapped is dumb. Leaders start pitting and one of the cars that never runs up front catches a caution and puts the good cars a lap down. That would not be fair to the front runners. There should be points deducted for infractions but not all there points. They already get 5 points for leading the most laps.

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>Standings points remain the same, except for DNFs: > >All DNFs receive 50 pts regardless of when they DNFed > >5 points for leading green laps > NO points for leading yellow laps > >5 points for leading the most laps > >5 points for pole position > >-5 for track infractions (speeding on pitrow, rough driving, etc) > No time penalty > >-ALL points for off track infractions (illegal equipment, etc) > >No BONUS points for lapped cars. Led a lap, got lapped lose your 5 >points. > >that's what I think. >

=================== Dwayne =================== "I told him he was number 1" (Dale Earnhardt) I will miss you Dale

Nah, the current setup is good, but I think they should get some bonus points for qualifying on the pole though, maybe 5 bonus points. Thats the way we run our league, NASCAR scoring + 5 points for the pole. This give a max bonus for any one person of 15 for entire race.(5 for leading 1 lap + 5 for leading most laps + 5 for pole) In our league we penalize laps (instead of points) for other infractions aside from the ones that N4 now catches (pit road entry/exit and speeding, passing on left on restart, etc) like say someone beats everyone up to get to the front (aggressive driving), then after replay consult, we dock the guy a lap. This tends to put them back where they should have been and encourages clean driving. NASCAR doesn't really want clean driving all the time or I bet they'd have similar rules...just a thought. edb Lou Moran <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Standings points remain the same, except for DNFs: > > All DNFs receive 50 pts regardless of when they DNFed > > 5 points for leading green laps > NO points for leading yellow laps > > 5 points for leading the most laps > > 5 points for pole position > > -5 for track infractions (speeding on pitrow, rough driving, etc) > No time penalty > > -ALL points for off track infractions (illegal equipment, etc) > > No BONUS points for lapped cars. Led a lap, got lapped lose your 5 > points. > > that's what I think. > > > -- > Member of the Nondeterministic Football League

"edb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:eCbp6.33423$[email hidden]...

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> Nah, the current setup is good, but I think they should get some bonus > points for qualifying on the pole though, maybe 5 bonus points. > Thats the way we run our league, NASCAR scoring + 5 points for the pole. > This give a max bonus for any one person of 15 for entire race.(5 for > leading 1 lap + 5 for leading most laps + 5 for pole) > > In our league we penalize laps (instead of points) for other infractions > aside from the ones that N4 now catches (pit road entry/exit and speeding, > passing on left on restart, etc) like say someone beats everyone up to get > to the front (aggressive driving), then after replay consult, we dock the > guy a lap. This tends to put them back where they should have been and > encourages clean driving. NASCAR doesn't really want clean driving all the > time or I bet they'd have similar rules...just a thought. >

I like the point bonus for pole position. And on a related note, I really think that F1 should go back to some point bonus for pole and also for fast lap.

I like the idea about points for most laps led. I'm ambivalent on the 5pts for pole position. I would vote against the other suggestions for various reasons. To elaborate on my thoughts on the pole points, I think it places to much advantage on teams that have funding for entirely separate qualifying engines, etc. I personally would like to see points awarded to pole sitters, but I am also concerned that it would reward teams with the biggest pocketbooks running entirely different qualifying engines and setups. I also think that sitting on the pole increases odds of getting lead lap points, so maybe that's enough of an advantage/reward. -- Philip D'Amato [email hidden] 00 ZX-6R 00 S4 "Lou Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Standings points remain the same, except for DNFs: > > All DNFs receive 50 pts regardless of when they DNFed > > 5 points for leading green laps > NO points for leading yellow laps > > 5 points for leading the most laps > > 5 points for pole position > > -5 for track infractions (speeding on pitrow, rough driving, etc) > No time penalty > > -ALL points for off track infractions (illegal equipment, etc) > > No BONUS points for lapped cars. Led a lap, got lapped lose your 5 > points. > > that's what I think. > > > -- > Member of the Nondeterministic Football League

On 06 Mar 2001 20:07:04 GMT, [email hidden] (Dwayne) wrote wonderful things about sparkplugs: $Also the no points for leading a lap then getting lapped is dumb. Leaders start $pitting and one of the cars that never runs up front catches a caution and puts $the good cars a lap down. I meant if you end up a lap down, my bad

On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:23:38 GMT, "Philip D'Amato" <[email hidden]> wrote wonderful things about sparkplugs: Excellent points to consider. I also think that Qualifying engines should be abolished as they make NASCAR even more cost prohibitive than it already is. I thin kthey should have to run race set ups and LIKE F1 they should have to run their Q tires as well. $I like the idea about points for most laps led. I'm ambivalent on the 5pts $for pole position. I would vote against the other suggestions for various $reasons. To elaborate on my thoughts on the pole points, I think it places $to much advantage on teams that have funding for entirely separate $qualifying engines, etc. I personally would like to see points awarded to $pole sitters, but I am also concerned that it would reward teams with the $biggest pocketbooks running entirely different qualifying engines and $setups. I also think that sitting on the pole increases odds of getting $lead lap points, so maybe that's enough of an advantage/reward.

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> > Standings points remain the same, except for DNFs: > > All DNFs receive 50 pts regardless of when they DNFed > > 5 points for leading green laps > NO points for leading yellow laps

In my opinion, yellow flag laps should not even be counted, period. They shouldn't be counted in any form of racing. It should be like hockey where when the whistle blows the clock stops. So in the case of racing when the yellow drops the laps stop counting. -- Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) http://www.barc-oc.com http://www.casc.on.ca

> > In my opinion, yellow flag laps should not even be counted, period. They > shouldn't be counted in any form of racing. It should be like hockey > where when the whistle blows the clock stops. So in the case of racing > when the yellow drops the laps stop counting. Not bad from a racing standpoint..But TV would have a COW! Races would have to start at Sunup to insure they finish before Dark. dave henrie

Good ideas, all! I would add another one to that list, however.. 25 extra points for winning the race! This way you see a real RACE, and not this gathering up points for "also ran" status! On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:06:48 -0500, Lou Moran <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Standings points remain the same, except for DNFs: > >All DNFs receive 50 pts regardless of when they DNFed > >5 points for leading green laps > NO points for leading yellow laps > >5 points for leading the most laps > >5 points for pole position > >-5 for track infractions (speeding on pitrow, rough driving, etc) > No time penalty > >-ALL points for off track infractions (illegal equipment, etc) > >No BONUS points for lapped cars. Led a lap, got lapped lose your 5 >points. > >that's what I think.

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On Tue, 06 Mar 2001 21:12:29 -0500, Lou M <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:23:38 GMT, "Philip D'Amato" <[email hidden]> >wrote wonderful things about sparkplugs: > >Excellent points to consider. I also think that Qualifying engines >should be abolished as they make NASCAR even more cost prohibitive >than it already is. I thin kthey should have to run race set ups and >LIKE F1 they should have to run their Q tires as well.

Agreed! I think they should have to qualify with the race setup and not be allowed to change anything after qualifying, till the first pit stop, or something similar! -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

Well, I dunno about not counting any of them, as some of these races already go on for 4+ hours, but I'd like to see a rule saying that it has to end under green! If it finishes with Green-White-Checker, that's fine by me, but under yellow????? On Wed, 07 Mar 2001 05:56:08 GMT, Alan Orton <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Lou Moran wrote: >> >> Standings points remain the same, except for DNFs: >> >> All DNFs receive 50 pts regardless of when they DNFed >> >> 5 points for leading green laps >> NO points for leading yellow laps > > >In my opinion, yellow flag laps should not even be counted, period. They >shouldn't be counted in any form of racing. It should be like hockey >where when the whistle blows the clock stops. So in the case of racing >when the yellow drops the laps stop counting.

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