2 new screenshots of (Historic) Rally Trophy

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>"Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote > .. over at http://www.jowoodonline.de/en/news/fs_news.html I just hope the final roads will be less wide then in these screenshots. They are larger then in CMR2 ;-( I'm sorry, but large roads are NOT fun in Rally sims. They are not realistic and not fun. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Looks damn nice! I can't wait for it to be released.... /Krister "Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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Yes it's true that these dirt roads seem to be forest highways or that kind of thing ;-) It would really be a pity to drive fun old cars, but that aren't that powerful, on such wide roads. Still waiting for the game though. Cheers Cyrille ymenard <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message : jcyp6.328878$[email hidden]... > >"Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote > > .. over at http://www.jowoodonline.de/en/news/fs_news.html > > > I just hope the final roads will be less wide then in these screenshots. > They are larger then in CMR2 ;-( I'm sorry, but large roads are NOTfun

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> in Rally sims. They are not realistic and not fun. > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

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> > >"Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote > > .. over at http://www.jowoodonline.de/en/news/fs_news.html > > I just hope the final roads will be less wide then in these screenshots. > They are larger then in CMR2 ;-( I'm sorry, but large roads are NOT fun > in Rally sims. They are not realistic and not fun.

Ever seen footage from the 1000 Lakes Rally in Finland ? Those roads are wide.....and it looks like a ton of fun :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://members.prestige.net/bttw/teammirage/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Don't trust your eyes. Road width might look enormous in the screenshots due to wider field of view (FOV) of the current camera. In truth, roads in the game are just as wide as they are in real life. Of course it varies a bit, depending where the stage is located. And it's generally a handful to keep the Abarth between ditches at 110kph on a curvy road.. ;) -spikey ymenard wrote:

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> > >"Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote > > .. over at http://www.jowoodonline.de/en/news/fs_news.html > > I just hope the final roads will be less wide then in these screenshots. > They are larger then in CMR2 ;-( I'm sorry, but large roads are NOT fun > in Rally sims. They are not realistic and not fun. > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise how > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

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I do not trust my eyes, but should I trust yours? ;-) True about the Abarth, these little beasts are so fragile! :)) cheers, Cyrille Ilari Lehtinen <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message : [email hidden]...

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> Don't trust your eyes. Road width might look enormous in the screenshots > due to wider field of view (FOV) of the current camera. In truth, roads > in the game are just as wide as they are in real life. Of course it > varies a bit, depending where the stage is located. > > And it's generally a handful to keep the Abarth between ditches at > 110kph on a curvy road.. ;) > > -spikey > > > ymenard wrote: > > > > >"Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > .. over at http://www.jowoodonline.de/en/news/fs_news.html > > > > I just hope the final roads will be less wide then in these screenshots. > > They are larger then in CMR2 ;-( I'm sorry, but large roads are NOT

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> > in Rally sims. They are not realistic and not fun. > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise

how > > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > -- > .: fifty miles beyond the madness horizon :. > .: http://focused.wox.org :.

Hey, I'm one of the guys making those tracks. I see them enough every day ;-) Abarth is a damn fun thing to throw around! -spikey cyrille vanlerberghe wrote:

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> > I do not trust my eyes, but should I trust yours? ;-) > True about the Abarth, these little beasts are so fragile! :)) > > cheers, Cyrille > > Ilari Lehtinen <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message : > [email hidden]... > > Don't trust your eyes. Road width might look enormous in the screenshots > > due to wider field of view (FOV) of the current camera. In truth, roads > > in the game are just as wide as they are in real life. Of course it > > varies a bit, depending where the stage is located. > > > > And it's generally a handful to keep the Abarth between ditches at > > 110kph on a curvy road.. ;) > > > > -spikey > > > > > > ymenard wrote: > > > > > > >"Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > .. over at http://www.jowoodonline.de/en/news/fs_news.html > > > > > > I just hope the final roads will be less wide then in these screenshots. > > > They are larger then in CMR2 ;-( I'm sorry, but large roads are NOT > fun > > > in Rally sims. They are not realistic and not fun. > > > > > > -- > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > > > -- People think it must be fun to be a genius, but they don't realise > how > > > hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > > > -- > > .: fifty miles beyond the madness horizon :. > > .: http://focused.wox.org :.

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Sounds like you've tested this title! Care to answer me 3 things? 1. Is this a game or a simulator? 2. will there be an in-car driving view? 3. any multiplayer options planned? ed_ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ilari Lehtinen"

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> Don't trust your eyes. Road width might look enormous in the screenshots > due to wider field of view (FOV) of the current camera. In truth, roads > in the game are just as wide as they are in real life. Of course it > varies a bit, depending where the stage is located. > > And it's generally a handful to keep the Abarth between ditches at > 110kph on a curvy road.. ;) > > -spikey >

Yup, I work at there, see my reply to Cyrille :) 1: Define the difference between game and simulation! Some things related to that aspect are still on the drawing board, so I can't really answer that yet. Car physics are very realistic, that much I can say. 2: Yes. 3: Oh yes. -spikey Ed Solheim wrote:

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> > Sounds like you've tested this title! > > Care to answer me 3 things? > > 1. Is this a game or a simulator? > 2. will there be an in-car driving view? > 3. any multiplayer options planned? > > ed_ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ilari Lehtinen" > > > Don't trust your eyes. Road width might look enormous in the screenshots > > due to wider field of view (FOV) of the current camera. In truth, roads > > in the game are just as wide as they are in real life. Of course it > > varies a bit, depending where the stage is located. > > > > And it's generally a handful to keep the Abarth between ditches at > > 110kph on a curvy road.. ;) > > > > -spikey > >

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I hope this is the rally sim I'm waiting for. It's beautiful and I hope he reach the quality of GPL. MP Ilari Lehtinen <[email hidden]> wrote in article <[email hidden]>...

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On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:06:26 +0200, Ilari Lehtinen <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yup, I work at there, see my reply to Cyrille :) > >1: Define the difference between game and simulation! Some things >related to that aspect are still on the drawing board, so I can't really >answer that yet. Car physics are very realistic, that much I can say. This is a tough one -- I'm no expert, but I've done a pretty in-depth analysis of the generic term "sim," and I would like to see game developers and publishers give the topic at least as much throught as I've put into it. Check out my article here: http://www.simracingnews.com/article.php?page=1&id=26 Feel free to pass this article (or the URL, anyway) around to the rest of the design team as well -- I'd be interested in hearing some feedback from your perspective, especially with regards to your goals with Historic Rally Trophy. -- JB

(Just configured Outlook at work, not sure if i stripped all stupid things off.. if this post is messed up, sorry.) Ok, I brought the subject up here and showed the article around.. Rejoice, sim-heads! Rally Trophy (note the name change!) is/will be a vehicle simulation with intricate detail on the physics involved. Not sure how much I am allowed to go in detail, but I assure you it's very similar to GPL on that aspect - if not surpassing it to some extent. However, tweaking is not required to throw the cars around and have fun racing. We'll try to suit as many tastes as possible, naturally. Hope this answered your question! -spikey "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:06:26 +0200, Ilari Lehtinen > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Yup, I work at there, see my reply to Cyrille :) > > > >1: Define the difference between game and simulation! Some things > >related to that aspect are still on the drawing board, so I can't really > >answer that yet. Car physics are very realistic, that much I can say. > > This is a tough one -- I'm no expert, but I've done a pretty in-depth > analysis of the generic term "sim," and I would like to see game > developers and publishers give the topic at least as much throught as > I've put into it. Check out my article here: > > http://www.simracingnews.com/article.php?page=1&id=26 > > Feel free to pass this article (or the URL, anyway) around to the rest > of the design team as well -- I'd be interested in hearing some > feedback from your perspective, especially with regards to your goals > with Historic Rally Trophy. > > -- JB > >

Is a particular year being modeled? 1963? 1964? I would love to *drive* the first win of a Mini at Monte Carlo in 1964! :-) cheers Cyrille Ilari Lehtinen <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message : 98a9ub$2p8$[email hidden]...

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> (Just configured Outlook at work, not sure if i stripped all stupid things > off.. if this post is messed up, sorry.) > > Ok, I brought the subject up here and showed the article around.. > > Rejoice, sim-heads! Rally Trophy (note the name change!) is/will be a > vehicle simulation with intricate detail on the physics involved. Not sure > how much I am allowed to go in detail, but I assure you it's very similar

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> GPL on that aspect - if not surpassing it to some extent. > However, tweaking is not required to throw the cars around and have fun > racing. We'll try to suit as many tastes as possible, naturally. > > Hope this answered your question! > > -spikey > > > > "John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:06:26 +0200, Ilari Lehtinen > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Yup, I work at there, see my reply to Cyrille :) > > > > > >1: Define the difference between game and simulation! Some things > > >related to that aspect are still on the drawing board, so I can't

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> > >answer that yet. Car physics are very realistic, that much I can say. > > > > This is a tough one -- I'm no expert, but I've done a pretty in-depth > > analysis of the generic term "sim," and I would like to see game > > developers and publishers give the topic at least as much throught as > > I've put into it. Check out my article here: > > > > http://www.simracingnews.com/article.php?page=1&id=26 > > > > Feel free to pass this article (or the URL, anyway) around to the rest > > of the design team as well -- I'd be interested in hearing some > > feedback from your perspective, especially with regards to your goals > > with Historic Rally Trophy. > > > > -- JB > > > > > >

YES! Thanks for the reply!!! It sounds like Rally Trophy will be a HUGE surprise for a lot of people -- maybe WSC won't be the ONLY thing that challenges GPL for the new sim crown! Hope you found the article to be an enjoyable read, BTW. ;-) -- JB On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:08:54 +0200, "Ilari Lehtinen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>(Just configured Outlook at work, not sure if i stripped all stupid things >off.. if this post is messed up, sorry.) > >Ok, I brought the subject up here and showed the article around.. > >Rejoice, sim-heads! Rally Trophy (note the name change!) is/will be a >vehicle simulation with intricate detail on the physics involved. Not sure >how much I am allowed to go in detail, but I assure you it's very similar to >GPL on that aspect - if not surpassing it to some extent. >However, tweaking is not required to throw the cars around and have fun >racing. We'll try to suit as many tastes as possible, naturally. > >Hope this answered your question! > >-spikey > > > >"John Bodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:06:26 +0200, Ilari Lehtinen >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Yup, I work at there, see my reply to Cyrille :) >> > >> >1: Define the difference between game and simulation! Some things >> >related to that aspect are still on the drawing board, so I can't really >> >answer that yet. Car physics are very realistic, that much I can say. >> >> This is a tough one -- I'm no expert, but I've done a pretty in-depth >> analysis of the generic term "sim," and I would like to see game >> developers and publishers give the topic at least as much throught as >> I've put into it. Check out my article here: >> >> http://www.simracingnews.com/article.php?page=1&id=26 >> >> Feel free to pass this article (or the URL, anyway) around to the rest >> of the design team as well -- I'd be interested in hearing some >> feedback from your perspective, especially with regards to your goals >> with Historic Rally Trophy. >> >> -- JB >> >> > >

Thanks, we try ;) Article was excellent! Have to keep in mind that the definitions vary between people, as they're often opinion- and feelings-based.. Or maybe not the definitions as such, but the grey areas between them. However, I believe lots of people agree with you. Now if just some big PC gaming magazine published that article as well.. -spikey John Bodin wrote:

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> > YES! Thanks for the reply!!! > > It sounds like Rally Trophy will be a HUGE surprise for a lot of > people -- maybe WSC won't be the ONLY thing that challenges GPL for > the new sim crown! > > Hope you found the article to be an enjoyable read, BTW. > > ;-) > > -- JB

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