N-4 should have been a multi play sim only

This sim, in my opinion is not playable in single player mode. If you want a close simulation of Nascar racing with N-4 single play isn't it. The AI stink's!!! Case closed! Atrocious! Papyrus should have just fully concentrated on making a online only sim.....It's obvious they don't care about single play....... I don't care what you online die hard's say, most of the buyer's of this sim will want to play it off line..... Heaven help the newcomer who think's this is the way it should be........ It now goes to the shelf awaitting the "mother of all patches"..... Sick and tired of these incomplete game's I cough up $50.00 for...... more fool me, right?

"PG" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:5pbq6.36623$[email hidden]... <snip> Sick and tired of these incomplete game's I cough up $50.00 for......<snip> True. It seems totally accepted today that you buy an unfinished product and have to be thankful if they bring out a patch. Sad, but true... Blues

The world still runs by the phrase: Buyer Beware! There has been ample evidence, here and elsewhere, that solo play with N4 needs fixing. Yet you and tons of others rushed right out and bought it before doing some research... Hopefully there will be a patch...but it doesn't mean we should be thankful. dave henrie "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5pbq6.36623$[email hidden]... > This sim, in my opinion is not playable in single player mode. > If you want a close simulation of Nascar racing with N-4 single play isn't > it. > The AI stink's!!! Case closed! Atrocious!(snipsey) > Sick and tired of these incomplete game's I cough up $50.00 for...... > more fool me, right? > >

That wouldn't be too good for me. Damn copy protection and my CD-ROM don't seem to get along very well, so I have to use the NoCD hack and am relegated to only Single Player racing. I happen to like the AI as I never do long races. Sure, they are stupid sometimes. But think of it this way: I wouldn't be able to program the AI any better, so I won't complain too awfully much. :) ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrash.00game.com

On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:53:21 GMT, "PG" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The AI stink's!!! Case closed! Atrocious!..and some other junk. Go into opponent manager, open each AI driver's "ratings", and tone down the "aggression" rating significantly, something like Min-15 Max-30. You should find a much more realistic, raceable AI. Am I the only person in the world who has done this? THINK, people. Ben

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> Go into opponent manager, open each AI driver's "ratings", and tone > down the "aggression" rating significantly, something like Min-15 > Max-30. You should find a much more realistic, raceable AI. > > Am I the only person in the world who has done this? > THINK, people. > > Ben

No, I posted to do this and was soundly ignored. People are used to being spoon-fed I guess.

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> > > Am I the only person in the world who has done this? > > THINK, people. > > Ben > > No, I posted to do this and was soundly ignored. > People are used to being spoon-fed I guess.

Please sir...may I have some more??? there are a couple options that can be edited. However I'm concerned if we all get a 100 different settings...how will we judge our times? And could it "possibly" affect the multiplayr connection? These are some questions that need to be answered before the world jumps on the bandwagon. dave henrie

I have to agree about the obvious release of a patch. I have been a Papy customer since Indy 500 for the old dos system. The one feature I am sure will be in the patch is the ability to save a race in progress. I can't commit hours at at time for my entertainment. Kids,phone and other distractions cause me to limit the time I have. I cannot even think of a 40 or 50 percent race. Limits like these are disappointing from Papy. I purchased N4 on the first release day. Disappointment is an understatement. Several features I like and will learn to race as well as I do on N3. The save race feature doesn't seem to be a big issue. there are several games out there are that are elaborate and can save in progress. It's too bad Papy worked so hard on some stuff and dropped the ball on others. I would have been happy to wait another month or two to get some of the bugs out. There silence is deafening, and I am sure the patch is just around the corner. It would be appropriate if they informed their "loyal" customers....

Dave, Our paths cross again! Been touting your Dale Sr. / Jean Pierre theories here too? Hehehe. As for N4, I am sure that Papy or someone associated with 'The Pits' will create a 'Save Race' patch. Seems to me they did the same thing with N99 a few years ago. Why it was not included here after the stink we put up when they left it out last time is beyond me. That seems to me the most significant weakness of N4. I agree that N4 has it's issues, but lets be real. This is one serious piece of software. You just have to tweak it to your own individual preferences and requirements and the ability to do so is all right there. All these people saying it is junk and claim they are taking it back are either impatient, intolerant of an interface they won't take the time to learn, clueless about how to make the game do what they expect, or are just plain dense.( Puts on 'flame' retardant nomex suit and waits for the above listed individuals to post 'hot lap' comebacks ). I think the real problem here is many of the average 'Joe Gamers' ( who do not read all the previews ) expected a further update of the old NASCAR series, got a lot more than they bargained for and found it was more than they could handle. Those of us who have been quietly enjoying the complexity and difficulty of GPL for the last few years knew better when we heard what Papy planned to do. In a way, it is a microcosm of what we were talking about in the 'Grand Prix' posts. "If it rumbles, it's from Dixie. If it whines it's from Europe and never the twain shall meet." I think most die hard Papy racing sim fans are eating this sim up and can't get enough. Typically, newsgroups are flooded with the negative comments about a new sim. Why? Because most people are to busy enjoying it to take the time to write about how much they like it, while those few who are unhappy need to vent their frustrations. Loudly. How do I know this? Easy. This is N4. It was preceded by N3, NASCAR Legends, N99, Grand Prix Legends, N2, NASCAR Racing, IndyCar Racing, Indianapolis 500. All from Papyrus. If racing sim fans weren't very satisfied with the run of Papyrus products over the last 10 years, we wouldn't have an N4 for those few who are unhappy with it to complain about. Papy would have been bankrupt and gone years ago if customers weren't very happy with the product. That's just basic business 101. Customers = Success = Repeat Customers = Long Term Success. As for a patch, it will come and many of the negative comments will just be forgotten. It always does and they always are. In the meantime, it's the ones who just don't get it that are complaining. As for me, the car just needs a few more laps ands a few more adjustments and a few more laps and the track is currently available.......... Rick W. Dave Henrie wrote:

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> > > > > Am I the only person in the world who has done this? > > > THINK, people. > > > Ben > > > > No, I posted to do this and was soundly ignored. > > People are used to being spoon-fed I guess. > Please sir...may I have some more??? > there are a couple options that can be edited. However I'm concerned if we > all get > a 100 different settings...how will we judge our times? And could it > "possibly" affect > the multiplayr connection? These are some questions that need to be > answered before > the world jumps on the bandwagon. > dave henrie