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21 posts by 14 people · 09 Mar 2001 19:14 UTC - 12 Mar 2001 12:34 UTC

Identifying the corner in a 1967 Spa Lotus 49 photo

Rob Swindells shared a classic photo of Jim Clark's Lotus 49 at Spa in 1967, captioned as the Masta kink. Readers debated whether it was really Masta, with one noting the image appeared mirrored and others unsure which corner it showed.

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Looks to me like (can't remember the name...) the first sharp left hander after the S/F. Left/right chacain type or turn, then a left after that. Then there's a strait and a right hank kink. Then there's the left that I'm thinking of. There is a tree there and a sign about the same place in GPL. and the elevation changes look right. Plus looking at the background I may be right. Still could be the Masta kink though. Any case, I imagine photographers were right up to the edge of the track in that time frame(?) Art McEwen wrote in message <98bddb$6f1$[email hidden]>...
Quoted text (16 lines)>If that's the straight after the kink, just where the heck was the >photographer standing? Had to be the middle of track. > >"Rob Swindells" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> http://www.robswindells.com/Lotus49.jpg >> >> -- >> Rob Swindells >> ///////////// >> Caps >> Lock >> >> > >
"Michael Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wybq6.207112$[email hidden]... > Looks to me like (can't remember the name...) the first sharp left > hander after the S/F. Left/right chacain type or turn,You mean one of the most famous corners in GP, Eau Rouge? shame on you Mike ;) > then a left after > that. Then there's a strait and a right hank kink. Then there's the left > that I'm thinking of.Top of the hill, guard rail on the right? Les Combe You could be right, I think if it was after Masta there'd be a bank in the background. I'll have to re-watch Grand Prix.
Any of you chaps that bothered to read the text at the bottom of the picture?? It reads: "Clark's Lotus 49 flies through the *Masta kink* at Spa in 1967" ......[snipped] Can there be any doubt now?? ed_ > You could be right, I think if it was after Masta there'd be a bank in the > background. I'll have to re-watch Grand Prix. > >
If you'd bothered to read our posts, you'd see we were expressing doubt with the caption. ;) "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lYbq6.12139$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (13 lines)> Any of you chaps that bothered to read the text at the bottom of the > picture?? > > It reads: > > "Clark's Lotus 49 flies through the *Masta kink* at Spa in 1967" > ......[snipped] > > Can there be any doubt now?? > > ed_ > > > You could be right, I think if it was after Masta there'd be a bank in
the > > background. I'll have to re-watch Grand Prix. > > > > > >
Ed Solheim wrote in message ...
Quoted text (10 lines)>Any of you chaps that bothered to read the text at the bottom of the >picture?? > >It reads: > >"Clark's Lotus 49 flies through the *Masta kink* at Spa in 1967" >......[snipped] > >Can there be any doubt now?? >
Text like that could easily be misprinted, or flat out wrong. The guy who put the text there may have thought that that is where it was taken. Or the photographer may have gave him the photo thinking it was another one he took at mast. Or it just could be masta ;-)
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:59:21 -0500, "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote: >If only I could get a pic like that without the quoted text and in 1024x768. >I need a nice b/w like that for my desktop ;) You've got mail.... ~daxe
This picture is taken from a book by photographer Michael Cooper. The book, "Sixties Motor Racing" is limited to just 1500 copies I think, and it costs �250 :) I'm not entirely sure it's Masta either... but it's a bloody fantastic photo! This link doesn't help, but interesting anyway. http://www.racer.demon.nl/6thgear/masta-kink.jpg Rob Swindells wrote:
Quoted text (7 lines)> http://www.robswindells.com/Lotus49.jpg > > -- > Rob Swindells > ///////////// > Caps > Lock
-- Rob Swindells ///////////// Caps Lock
Txl 10 Mar 2001 09:19 UTC↳ reply to mcewena#196920
Didn't ANYBODY notice that the photo is "mirrored" left-right ? look at the number, it's a 15, and it looks like a SI ... It IS masta all right, except the photo is just in the wrong direction. "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: 98bddb$6f1$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (17 lines)> If that's the straight after the kink, just where the heck was the > photographer standing? Had to be the middle of track. > > "Rob Swindells" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > http://www.robswindells.com/Lotus49.jpg > > > > -- > > Rob Swindells > > ///////////// > > Caps > > Lock > > > > > > >
Txl wrote in message ...
Quoted text (7 lines)>Didn't ANYBODY notice that the photo is "mirrored" left-right ? > >look at the number, it's a 15, and it looks like a SI ... > >It IS masta all right, except the photo is just in the wrong direction. > >
hmm... That does work, good eye. However, I see 21 to further confuse the issue ;-)
If you look carefully, it looks like the ENTRY to Masta, the car has just turned in after the tree and is about to hit the 1st apex, and the photographer is standing inside the barrier, on the 2nd apex. I think.... Lol SpeedFreek.. (Stood there last year.. looks a bit different now!)
"Michael Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yIcq6.230779$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (15 lines)> > Ed Solheim wrote in message ... > >Any of you chaps that bothered to read the text at the bottom of the > >picture?? > > > >It reads: > > > >"Clark's Lotus 49 flies through the *Masta kink* at Spa in 1967" > >......[snipped] > > > >Can there be any doubt now?? > > > > Text like that could easily be misprinted, or flat out wrong. The guy > who put the text there may have thought that that is where it was taken.
Or > the photographer may have gave him the photo thinking it was another onehe > took at mast. Or it just could be masta ;-) > > For what it's worth, I looked at the picture and instantly, before reading any of the text, said to myself, " that's Masta." KFG
I agree with SpeedFreek. SpeedFreek wrote:
Quoted text (9 lines)> > If you look carefully, it looks like the ENTRY to Masta, the car has just > turned in after the tree and is about to hit the 1st apex, and the > photographer is standing inside the barrier, on the 2nd apex. > > I think.... > > Lol SpeedFreek.. > (Stood there last year.. looks a bit different now!)
Certainly looks familiar. I can feel myself sliding round it at 150MPH anyway. Chris Rob Swindells <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (28 lines)| This picture is taken from a book by photographer Michael Cooper. The | book, "Sixties Motor Racing" is limited to just 1500 copies I think, and | it costs �250 :) | | I'm not entirely sure it's Masta either... but it's a bloody fantastic | photo! | | This link doesn't help, but interesting anyway. | | http://www.racer.demon.nl/6thgear/masta-kink.jpg | | Rob Swindells wrote: | | > http://www.robswindells.com/Lotus49.jpg | > | > -- | > Rob Swindells | > ///////////// | > Caps | > Lock | | -- | Rob Swindells | ///////////// | Caps | Lock | |
I agree, looks more like 21. Michael Barlow <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Fxoq6.233929$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (14 lines)> > Txl wrote in message ... > >Didn't ANYBODY notice that the photo is "mirrored" left-right ? > > > >look at the number, it's a 15, and it looks like a SI ... > > > >It IS masta all right, except the photo is just in the wrong direction. > > > > > > hmm... That does work, good eye. However, I see 21 to further confuse > the issue ;-) > >
Kevin Clark 12 Mar 2001 12:34 UTC↳ reply to MK#196543
I just flipped it round in Photoshop. It's much more like 15 if you mirror the picture. If that's right then it isn't masta. Come to think of it, I can't think which corner it is at all now! Kev MK wrote:
Quoted text (19 lines)> > I agree, looks more like 21. > > Michael Barlow <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Fxoq6.233929$[email hidden]... > > > > Txl wrote in message ... > > >Didn't ANYBODY notice that the photo is "mirrored" left-right ? > > > > > >look at the number, it's a 15, and it looks like a SI ... > > > > > >It IS masta all right, except the photo is just in the wrong direction. > > > > > > > > > > hmm... That does work, good eye. However, I see 21 to further confuse > > the issue ;-) > > > >

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