OT: F1 to become Pay-Per-View?

See the latest issue of Autoweek for this potentially depressing story.

>"Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote > See the latest issue of Autoweek for this potentially depressing story Anything to give me Digital F1. I'm really tired of the shitty mondial feed. It's bad on purpose. I'll pay whatever it costs. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> >"Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote > > See the latest issue of Autoweek for this potentially depressing story > > > Anything to give me Digital F1. I'm really tired of the shitty mondial > feed. It's bad on purpose. I'll pay whatever it costs. >

..and screw you if you can't afford it. I'm alright, Jacques !

bring-it-on! Bart Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > See the latest issue of Autoweek for this potentially depressing story.

Good, it will free up Speedvisions schedule. Maybe they will air racing in its place that will actually be interesting. -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > See the latest issue of Autoweek for this potentially depressing story.

LOL, don't feed the troll... leave him to his Daisy Duke posters. "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Cuxq6.134822$[email hidden]...

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> Good, it will free up Speedvisions schedule. Maybe they will air racing in > its place that will actually be interesting. > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] > > "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > See the latest issue of Autoweek for this potentially depressing story. > >

On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:01:06 GMT, "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Good, it will free up Speedvisions schedule. Maybe they will air racing in >its place that will actually be interesting. Hey, there's an air racing sim coming out soon, just for you! http://www.xtremeairracing.com/

>"Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote... > On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:01:06 GMT, "Kevin Anderson" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Good, it will free up Speedvisions schedule. Maybe they will air racingin > >its place that will actually be interesting. > > Hey, there's an air racing sim coming out soon, just for you! LOL, I think he was more meaning to "air" as in, to broadcast races. But thanks for the site! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Does it use the GPL Physics engine? JB "Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:01:06 GMT, "Kevin Anderson" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Good, it will free up Speedvisions schedule. Maybe they will air racingin > >its place that will actually be interesting. > > Hey, there's an air racing sim coming out soon, just for you! > > http://www.xtremeairracing.com/

Formula One's EM.TV tales (03/09/2001) A German media group is now the majority owner of Formula One. EM.TV & Merchandising exercised its option to acquire 75 percent of the company that holds the F1 commercial rights, and the automobile manufacturers that participate now fear there could be an attempt to put F1 races exclusively on pay-per-view TV. Since March 2000, EM.TV has owned 50 percent of SLEC Holdings, promoter Bernie Ecclestone's family trust that holds the commercial rights to F1 until 2110. An option was included giving EM.TV the right to purchase an additional 25 percent, which it had to exercise before midnight on Feb. 28, 2001. Struggling to survive following a dramatic plunge in its share value, EM.TV is in the midst of a rescue bid by Germany's largest pay-per-view TV broadcaster, Kirch Gruppe. Evidently EM.TV and Kirch are close to finalizing their own deal, at a reported cost of $987 million. But two of the carmakers competing in F1 warned that they could set up a rival world championship series if this deal gave Kirch effective control of F1. A consortium of five of these companies, BMW, DaimlerChrysler, Fiat, Ford and Renault, had been in negotiation with Ecclestone with a view to acquiring 35 percent of SLEC Holdings itself. Jurgen Hubbert, the DaimlerChrysler main board member responsible for the Mercedes-Benz brand, and Wolfgang Reitzle, the CEO of Ford's Premier Automotive Group, said that the manufacturers could launch their own series if Kirch moved to put Grand Prix coverage exclusively on pay-per-view. Kirch has attempted to reassure the manufacturers by indicating that it would be willing to sell off part of EM.TV's 75 percent stake in SLEC, but conspicuously not by undertaking to maintain free-to-view TV coverage.

On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:30:54 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >LOL, I think he was more meaning to "air" as in, to broadcast races. But >thanks for the site! Heh...need to brush on my reading comprehension skills.

On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:42:33 GMT, "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Does it use the GPL Physics engine? > No, but I think it might be worth getting. I believe this is the Air Reno sim that was supposed to be published by SSI, but was cancelled. Looks like they are going to self-publish it.

[email hidden] (redTed) wrote: > I'm alright, Jacques ! :-) I share the sentiment. Having said that, I'm not too bothered. 90% of the time F1's little more than an elaborate TV screensaver. Mind you, if touring car racing went pay per view I'd have the right 'ump. Andrew McP

I used to love watching the Reno Air races on abc wide world of sports...until the started modifying the WWII warbirds so much you could barely tell what plane was what.... dave henrie "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:izAq6.356024$[email hidden]...

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> >"Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote... > > On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:01:06 GMT, "Kevin Anderson" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Good, it will free up Speedvisions schedule. Maybe they will air racing > in > > >its place that will actually be interesting. > > > > Hey, there's an air racing sim coming out soon, just for you! > > LOL, I think he was more meaning to "air" as in, to broadcast races. But > thanks for the site! > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

Are you sure it's 2110? Not 2010? Maybe you meant ten past nine? Chris -- "AndrewS" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:iZBq6.5748$[email hidden]... > Formula One's EM.TV tales (03/09/2001) > > > Since March 2000, EM.TV has owned 50 percent of SLEC Holdings, promoter > Bernie Ecclestone's family trust that holds the commercial rights to F1 > until 2110. An option was included giving EM.TV the right to purchase an > additional 25 percent, which it had to exercise before midnight on Feb. 28, > 2001. > > Struggling to survive following a dramatic plunge in its share value, EM.TV > is in the midst of a rescue bid by Germany's largest pay-per-view TV > broadcaster, Kirch Gruppe. Evidently EM.TV and Kirch are close to finalizing > their own deal, at a reported cost of $987 million. > > But two of the carmakers competing in F1 warned that they could set up a > rival world championship series if this deal gave Kirch effective control of > F1. A consortium of five of these companies, BMW, DaimlerChrysler, Fiat, > Ford and Renault, had been in negotiation with Ecclestone with a view to > acquiring 35 percent of SLEC Holdings itself. Jurgen Hubbert, the > DaimlerChrysler main board member responsible for the Mercedes-Benz brand, > and Wolfgang Reitzle, the CEO of Ford's Premier Automotive Group, said that > the manufacturers could launch their own series if Kirch moved to put Grand > Prix coverage exclusively on pay-per-view. > > Kirch has attempted to reassure the manufacturers by indicating that it > would be willing to sell off part of EM.TV's 75 percent stake in SLEC, but > conspicuously not by undertaking to maintain free-to-view TV coverage. > > > > >

Absolutely. These guys ought to get out more and check out some real racing. Pinnacle my ass <G> MS Kevin Anderson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Cuxq6.134822$[email hidden]... > Good, it will free up Speedvisions schedule. Maybe they will air racing in > its place that will actually be interesting.

welcome to the real world it has been like that in Europe for the last 5 years or so, the things works like that. You have the race on a "public" channel (free) with, commercials, 2 in car cams only and lousy commentators OR You have the race in 6 channels (main, battles in the back, inboard without commentary on about 20 cars, pits, data, "patchwork" of all of them) WITHOUT commercial breaks, with all the week end free practice, time pracrtice, warm up, press conference afetr the races....good commentators... On top of this you can "hack" the pay per view channels very easily, but it is BAAAD, but it works fine... This system is applied in France, Spain, Italy (?) and Germany, the cost in France is 50 francs (that's about 8 Euros) for the complete week-end from thursday until the press conference after the race, even if I had to pay for it I would when I'm home. "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: [email hidden]... > See the latest issue of Autoweek for this potentially depressing story. >

The day F1 goes pay-per-view will be its nemisis. (Hope that came out right!) Sponsors *will* see that the "ratings" are hyped waaaaaaaaaaaay beyond what it actually is, and budgets will plummit. ed_ AndrewS wrote > Formula One's EM.TV tales (03/09/2001) > > A German media group is now the majority owner of Formula One. EM.TV & > Merchandising exercised its option to acquire 75 percent of the companythat > holds the F1 commercial rights, and the automobile manufacturers that > participate now fear there could be an attempt to put F1 races exclusively > on pay-per-view TV. <SNIPPED!>

Bernie vision: That's been planned for aaaaaages. Bart Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > See the latest issue of Autoweek for this potentially depressing story.

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> You have the race on a "public" channel (free) with, commercials, 2 in car > cams only and lousy commentators > > OR > > You have the race in 6 channels (main, battles in the back, inboard without > commentary on about 20 cars, pits, data, "patchwork" of all of them) WITHOUT > commercial breaks, with all the week end free practice, time pracrtice, warm > up, press conference afetr the races....good commentators...

No, you can't. Not in the UK anyway - you're stuck with the first option. :-( - MP

says... No, you can't. Not in the UK anyway - you're stuck with the first option. :-( - MP

I think Papy actually did first start writing this so it should be pretty good. It has been through a lot of hands since SSI , Mattel , Victory. Wosco wrote in message ...

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>Does it use the GPL Physics engine? > >JB > >"Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:01:06 GMT, "Kevin Anderson" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Good, it will free up Speedvisions schedule. Maybe they will air racing >in >> >its place that will actually be interesting. >> >> Hey, there's an air racing sim coming out soon, just for you! >> >> http://www.xtremeairracing.com/ > >

I think the car manufacturers are not too impressed with the idea of pay per view as they will lose a high percentage of their viewers and hence advertising effect. I do not think it will happen.

there are ALWAYS ways if you have a satellite dish pointed on astra... "MP" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: [email hidden]... > In article <qkKq6.1673$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > You have the race on a "public" channel (free) with, commercials, 2 incar > > cams only and lousy commentators > > > > OR > > > > You have the race in 6 channels (main, battles in the back, inboardwithout > > commentary on about 20 cars, pits, data, "patchwork" of all of them)WITHOUT > > commercial breaks, with all the week end free practice, time pracrtice,warm

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> > up, press conference afetr the races....good commentators... > > No, you can't. Not in the UK anyway - you're stuck with the first > option. > > :-( > > - MP

Do you think the sponsors are going to carry on pouring their millions into F1 if it is not going to have the mass global coverage it enjoys at the moment? I don't think so. Chris -- Simbokza GPL FD League www.simbokza.com Remove _YOUR_CLOTHES before replying by e-mail "rik anthrax" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:h4wq6.37863$[email hidden]... > bring-it-on! > Bart Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > See the latest issue of Autoweek for this potentially depressing story. > >

In article <SeMq6.619$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > there are ALWAYS ways if you have a satellite dish pointed on astra... I'd like to know - do you have any links for how to do it, what equipment you need etc.? - MP

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> "MP" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: > [email hidden]... > > In article <qkKq6.1673$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > > says... > > > You have the race on a "public" channel (free) with, commercials, 2 in > car > > > cams only and lousy commentators > > > > > > OR > > > > > > You have the race in 6 channels (main, battles in the back, inboard > without > > > commentary on about 20 cars, pits, data, "patchwork" of all of them) > WITHOUT > > > commercial breaks, with all the week end free practice, time pracrtice, > warm > > > up, press conference afetr the races....good commentators... > > > > No, you can't. Not in the UK anyway - you're stuck with the first > > option. > > > >

On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:01:06 GMT, "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Good, it will free up Speedvisions schedule. Maybe they will air racing in >its place that will actually be interesting. Yea, like those lawn tractors! Not only is the racing better, the lawn tractor guys seem more exuberant about their sport than the F1 multi-millionaires. ;-) Tim

> >Good, it will free up Speedvisions schedule. Maybe they will air racingin

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> >its place that will actually be interesting. > > Yea, like those lawn tractors! > Not only is the racing better, the lawn tractor guys seem more > exuberant about their sport than the F1 multi-millionaires. ;-) > > Tim

Whoohooo another convert...go Team John Deere.... dave henrie

very simple, all you need is a satellite dish to astra, a receiver able to process MEDIAGUARD coding (nokia has the 9800 for example, but there are many) and a "special" card to put in if you want it for free, otherwise you can always subscribe to the regular channels and pay per view. give me a mail adress for a more "private" conversation. "MP" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: [email hidden]...

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> In article <SeMq6.619$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > there are ALWAYS ways if you have a satellite dish pointed on astra... > > I'd like to know - do you have any links for how to do it, what > equipment you need etc.? > > - MP > > > "MP" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: > > [email hidden]... > > > In article <qkKq6.1673$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > > > says... > > > > You have the race on a "public" channel (free) with, commercials, 2

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> > warm > > > > up, press conference afetr the races....good commentators... > > > > > > No, you can't. Not in the UK anyway - you're stuck with the first > > > option. > > > > > > >

In article <l91r6.1912$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > very simple, all you need is a satellite dish to astra, a receiver able to > process MEDIAGUARD coding (nokia has the 9800 for example, but there are > many) and a "special" card to put in if you want it for free, otherwise you > can always subscribe to the regular channels and pay per view. Thanks - would the Nokia work for Sky Digital as well or would I need to run them both? Also which "Cam" would it need? - MP

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> "MP" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message news: > [email hidden]... > > In article <SeMq6.619$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > > there are ALWAYS ways if you have a satellite dish pointed on astra... > > > > I'd like to know - do you have any links for how to do it, what > > equipment you need etc.? > > > > - MP

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>>Good, it will free up Speedvisions schedule. Maybe they will air racing in >>its place that will actually be interesting. > >Yea, like those lawn tractors! >Not only is the racing better, the lawn tractor guys seem more >exuberant about their sport than the F1 multi-millionaires. ;-) >

I've actually *watched* these races before. Sort of like watching GPL F3's...<g> Let's see how much flak I get for THAT comment...or see if people understand my meaning... :) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I've noticed that the UK tends to be backwards when it comes to any form of mass communication beyond the printing press. It's really rather surprising that Her Royal Majesty permits her subjects on the internet, really. That's not a flame, just an observation. MP wrote:

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> In article <qkKq6.1673$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > says... > > You have the race on a "public" channel (free) with, commercials, 2 in car > > cams only and lousy commentators > > > > OR > > > > You have the race in 6 channels (main, battles in the back, inboard without > > commentary on about 20 cars, pits, data, "patchwork" of all of them) WITHOUT > > commercial breaks, with all the week end free practice, time pracrtice, warm > > up, press conference afetr the races....good commentators... > > No, you can't. Not in the UK anyway - you're stuck with the first > option. > > :-( > > - MP

Queen Victoria is no longer reigning you know, get with the times. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Mike Donnelly Jr <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've noticed that the UK tends to be backwards when it comes to any form of mass > communication beyond the printing press. It's really rather surprising that Her > Royal Majesty permits her subjects on the internet, really. > > That's not a flame, just an observation. >

Really? In certain (commercial) areas, you'd be hard pressed to tell. Then there's America - 57 channels and nothing on. Ian P wrote:

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> Queen Victoria is no longer reigning you know, get with the times. > > -- > Ian P > <email invalid due to spam> > > Mike Donnelly Jr <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I've noticed that the UK tends to be backwards when it comes to any form > of mass > > communication beyond the printing press. It's really rather surprising > that Her > > Royal Majesty permits her subjects on the internet, really. > > > > That's not a flame, just an observation. > >

You must know some different commercial areas to me ;) Only 57 channels of nothing, we've got double that !! <G> -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Mike Donnelly Jr <[email hidden]> wrote > Really? In certain (commercial) areas, you'd be hard pressed to tell. > > Then there's America - 57 channels and nothing on.