TO: Ian P ...RE:Voodoo vs Geforce

Ian in another thread about GeForce MX stuff you wrote: ........ I've got a V4 4500 and tried a GeForce2 MX (Hercules Prophet), the V4 was considerably faster in all my games except N4 where it was pretty close. A friend has a V5 and that is considerably faster than my V4. (he previously had a V4 and the performance on his PC was comparable to mine.) --------------- Tell me more about YOUR system and or your FRIENDS system. I hate the GeForce, and the way non glide works with my older games (GPL, VIPER, MTM1&2, MCM, Nascar 3 99 many more) so I too would like to know what kind of computer compared to mine you are comparing from. I got the HERCULES PROPHET mx, and then >>d@mn-it<<, now I see your post. :P (j/k)

I posted this a few weeks back, maybe it'll be of some help. >>I bought a GE Force MX 32MB (hercules prophet) on Friday to replace a Voodoo 4 4500 . Here are my results on an Athlon 750 with 256MB RAM. I used the Hercules version 6-35 drivers for the GeForce, the refernce drivers wouldn't install correctly and gave me an error message when trying to access the advanced properties page, and version 1.04 drivers for the V4. I found the results rather shocking !! ;) First N4, 1024 x 768 with shadows and reflections etc. off, medium car detail and half way on the sliders for draw distance and world detail. V4 D3D: 40 to 60 fps, with a drop to about 35 in a pretty big accident. Open GL is pretty much unusable on a Voodoo card in N4, with framerates between 18 and 25 fps. GE Force MX Open GL: 40 to 70fps but in an accident the drop was to about 25 fps. The performance was slightly less in D3D, but not by much. Next GPL, 1024 X 768, rear of the grid at Monaco, full detail slider all graphics maxed out. V4 Glide: When entering track 30fps, dipping to the high 20's at the start but maxing at 36 by the end of T1 and staying there unless a big accident happens. V4 D3D: 25 fps when entering the track, dipping just below 20 but maxing at 36 by the time the field has spread except for the odd dip to 34 or 35. GE Force MX D3D: 20fps on entering track, dipping slightly on the start, but again maxing out after the field spreads, except in accidents or when the field bunches etc. Finally for race sims MBTR which has it's own benchmarking utility. I tested both cards at 800 x 600 using the recommended settings in the config utility. V4 4500: gave a benchmark of 70fps. GE Force MX: gave a benchmark of 35fps. I then tried them both in Unreal tournament, the V4 running in glide and D3D gave me an average framerate of about 60 fps. The Geforce running in D3D gave an average of just under 40fps. The slowdown in UT was unbearable at 1024 on the GeForce card, but was quite stable on the V4. Thinking about it, I should have given the GeForce a try in Open GL , but it was getting late, and I'd pretty much decided that it wasn't the card that I had hoped for. In conclusion, I had hoped for a good showing from the GeForce card, but felt very let down after hearing all the good reports about them in this and other newsgroups. The only sim it out performed my V4 was NASCAR 4, with other sims being slightly better on the V4 and MBTR and UT seriously knocking the performance of it. So i'll stick with my V4 for now (the GeForce has been returned from whence it came), and hopefully there will be a good video card manufacturer to take the fight to NVidia, possibly ATI with the Radeon, but at the moment they are rather expensive here in UK. << -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Stingre <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ian in another thread about GeForce MX stuff you wrote: > ........ > I've got a V4 4500 and tried a GeForce2 MX (Hercules Prophet), the V4 was > considerably faster in all my games except N4 where it was pretty close. > A friend has a V5 and that is considerably faster than my V4. (he previously > had a V4 and the performance on his PC was comparable to mine.) > --------------- > > Tell me more about YOUR system and or your FRIENDS system. I hate the > GeForce, and the way non glide works with my older games (GPL, VIPER, > MTM1&2, MCM, Nascar 3 99 many more) so I too would like to know what kind > of computer compared to mine you are comparing from. > > I got the HERCULES PROPHET mx, and then >>d@mn-it<<, now I see your post. > :P > (j/k) > > >

More info here too: http://www.slottweak.com/v5500%20-%20gf2mx.htm Saw the V 5500 for $113 on pricewatch. -- Slot Tweaks & Reviews www.slottweak.com "Stingre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ian in another thread about GeForce MX stuff you wrote: > ........ > I've got a V4 4500 and tried a GeForce2 MX (Hercules Prophet), the V4 was > considerably faster in all my games except N4 where it was pretty close. > A friend has a V5 and that is considerably faster than my V4. (he previously > had a V4 and the performance on his PC was comparable to mine.) > --------------- > > Tell me more about YOUR system and or your FRIENDS system. I hate the > GeForce, and the way non glide works with my older games (GPL, VIPER, > MTM1&2, MCM, Nascar 3 99 many more) so I too would like to know what kind > of computer compared to mine you are comparing from. > > I got the HERCULES PROPHET mx, and then >>d@mn-it<<, now I see your post. > :P > (j/k) > > >

SLOT, Do me (and my 5 friends) a favor, do a comparison of the 2 VIDEO boards, with the cpu clocked down around most of rest of us have, (lots of us have 300 to 550 cpu's) and They aren't going to buy new machines yet... I'm struggling with what to do next, I have 2 machines I need to upgrade, so I got to be careful with my money I want to try and ascertain what would benefit the masses, the VOODOO5 or a GEforce MX... you know less than 150 dollar upgrade to make US more likely to Enjoy N4. "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IUhr6.883$[email hidden]...

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> More info here too: http://www.slottweak.com/v5500%20-%20gf2mx.htm > Saw the V 5500 for $113 on pricewatch. > > > -- > Slot > > Tweaks & Reviews > www.slottweak.com > > > > "Stingre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Ian in another thread about GeForce MX stuff you wrote: > > ........ > > I've got a V4 4500 and tried a GeForce2 MX (Hercules Prophet), the V4

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> > considerably faster in all my games except N4 where it was pretty close. > > A friend has a V5 and that is considerably faster than my V4. (he > previously > > had a V4 and the performance on his PC was comparable to mine.) > > --------------- > > > > Tell me more about YOUR system and or your FRIENDS system. I hate the > > GeForce, and the way non glide works with my older games (GPL, VIPER, > > MTM1&2, MCM, Nascar 3 99 many more) so I too would like to know what

kind > > of computer compared to mine you are comparing from. > > > > I got the HERCULES PROPHET mx, and then >>d@mn-it<<, now I see yourpost.

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On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:11:13 -0600, "Stingre" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>SLOT, > Do me (and my 5 friends) a favor, do a comparison of the 2 VIDEO boards, >with the cpu clocked down around most of rest of us have, (lots of us have >300 to 550 cpu's) and They aren't going to buy new machines yet... > > I'm struggling with what to do next, I have 2 machines I need to >upgrade, so I got to be careful with my money >I want to try and ascertain what would benefit the masses, the VOODOO5 or a >GEforce MX... you know less than 150 dollar upgrade to make US more likely >to Enjoy N4.

If you've got under 550MHz, I'd say you'd want *both* CPU and video improvements (I know, you didn't want to hear that :). I've got a C300A @ 450MHz and a V5 AGP and N4 needs more CPU horsepower. Frame rates as high as 40 in some places, as low as 10 in some others. (That's at 800x600x2xFSAA.) Turning down res doesn't help much, you need more CPU (OK, at least I do). Others have reported that, in general, faster cards like the V5 and GeForce2's really want a faster CPU (500MHz+) to begin to show their stuff. For N4, the GeForce2MX is probably the best for frame rate (since they both use T&L) and bang for the buck. The 2MX's performance starts to fall off at higher res, but that probably won't be a problem for you. OTOH, the V5 gives you superb FSAA (and is great with GPL). "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

A good point, Stingre. I knew this would come back and bite me, but I actually did test both cards at 566 Mhz.. I was just too lazy to write down the numbers. I don't have an MX card to test with right now, so that doesn't help... but this might - both cards' performance dropped proportionately to the cpu speed, and both by approximately the same percent. I don't recall the exact frame rates, but somewhere around 30 for the 5500 and 19 for the MX. Also remember, I saw no difference when I turned on T&L with the MX. From those tests, and testing the 5500 now at 1.1Ghz, I'd say that the 5500's speed increase is just starting to slack off. In other words, if I was to go to a 1.4Ghz cpu, I don't think frame rates would improve much with the 5500. I'd see better results with a faster video card like the GeForce2 Ultra or GeForce 3. I'd say the MX starts slacking at around the 850 to 900Mhz range, depending on the game. I don't know what you have for a video card now. If it's a TNT, TNT2 Ultra or Voodoo3 3000, you might be better off upgrading to an overclockable celeron 533 or 566 and an Abit BE6 II motherboard - a bit over $200 altogether for a guaranteed overclocker. As far as the cards go, the 5500 is about $113 now. I think I'll go out on a limb and say you can't get a faster video card for that kind of money :) If you're on a budget and want to play N4, I'd say the oc'd celeron and 5500 are the way to go. If you want to go all out on N4, a 1.2Ghz Athlon and GeForce2 Ultra would be nice. -- Slot Tweaks & Reviews www.slottweak.com "Stingre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > SLOT, > Do me (and my 5 friends) a favor, do a comparison of the 2 VIDEO boards, > with the cpu clocked down around most of rest of us have, (lots of us have > 300 to 550 cpu's) and They aren't going to buy new machines yet... > > I'm struggling with what to do next, I have 2 machines I need to > upgrade, so I got to be careful with my money > I want to try and ascertain what would benefit the masses, the VOODOO5 or a > GEforce MX... you know less than 150 dollar upgrade to make US more likely > to Enjoy N4. > > "GTX_SlotCar" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:IUhr6.883$[email hidden]... > > More info here too: http://www.slottweak.com/v5500%20-%20gf2mx.htm > > Saw the V 5500 for $113 on pricewatch. > > > > > > -- > > Slot > > > > Tweaks & Reviews > > www.slottweak.com > > > > > > > > "Stingre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Ian in another thread about GeForce MX stuff you wrote: > > > ........ > > > I've got a V4 4500 and tried a GeForce2 MX (Hercules Prophet), the V4 > was > > > considerably faster in all my games except N4 where it was pretty close. > > > A friend has a V5 and that is considerably faster than my V4. (he > > previously > > > had a V4 and the performance on his PC was comparable to mine.) > > > --------------- > > > > > > Tell me more about YOUR system and or your FRIENDS system. I hate the > > > GeForce, and the way non glide works with my older games (GPL, VIPER, > > > MTM1&2, MCM, Nascar 3 99 many more) so I too would like to know what > kind > > > of computer compared to mine you are comparing from. > > > > > > I got the HERCULES PROPHET mx, and then >>d@mn-it<<, now I see your > post. > > > :P > > > (j/k) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >