Problems with GPL & GeForce2

Hi, I've jsut put a machine together, and am having a few problems with graphics. I suspect I might need a better power supply as I've got an Athlon 1.2Ghz, and an Asus V7700 running on a 300W power supply. In GPL, using either the OpenGL or D3D rasterizer, as I drive out of the pit stall, the graphics hang (in D3D) but the game continues, or I get an error in the raterizer (in OpenGL). Anybody got any ideas? Cheers, Steve.

"Steve Pritchard" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[email hidden]... Hi! > I've jsut put a machine together, and am having a few problems withgraphics. I > suspect I might need a better power supply as I've got an Athlon 1.2Ghz,and an > Asus V7700 running on a 300W power supply. > In GPL, using either the OpenGL or D3D rasterizer, as I drive out of thepit > stall, the graphics hang (in D3D) but the game continues, or I get anerror in > the raterizer (in OpenGL). > Anybody got any ideas? Seems like a heat problem to me. Try running GPL with one side of the computer case opened (and maybe strip an additional fan on it that blows over the cpu and the graphics card). If that cures your problem, you'll have to think about some additional cooling for your system. You can also have some heat-monitoring software run in the background and check the mobo-/cpu-temperatures afterwards. 300 W should be enough for the system though, if you don't have too much other hardware attached to it. Regards Crash

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:20:36 +0100, "Joachim Blum" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Steve Pritchard" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >news:[email hidden]... > >Hi! > >> I've jsut put a machine together, and am having a few problems with >graphics. I >> suspect I might need a better power supply as I've got an Athlon 1.2Ghz, >and an >> Asus V7700 running on a 300W power supply. >> In GPL, using either the OpenGL or D3D rasterizer, as I drive out of the >pit >> stall, the graphics hang (in D3D) but the game continues, or I get an >error in >> the raterizer (in OpenGL). >> Anybody got any ideas?

If you don't get an answer here, try this site, it was very helpfull for me solving my GFII problems: http://www.geforcefaq.com Good luck, Andre

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: > If you don't get an answer here, try this site, it was very helpfull > for me solving my GFII problems: http://www.geforcefaq.com > > Good luck, > Andre Thanks - I've already spent some time there! ;-) I'm wondering whether it might be a driver issue? N4 (demo) seems to work fine, as does QuakeIII. Cheers, Steve.

In article <98lds2$tjs$07$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Joachim Blum) wrote:

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> Seems like a heat problem to me. Try running GPL with one side of the > computer case opened (and maybe strip an additional fan on it that blows > over the cpu and the graphics card). If that cures your problem, you'll have > to think about some additional cooling for your system. You can also have > some heat-monitoring software run in the background and check the > mobo-/cpu-temperatures afterwards. > 300 W should be enough for the system though, if you don't have too much > other hardware attached to it.

Currently the case is completely open. I don't think it is heat related (at least I hope not - I'm not sure there's much more I could do to cool it without changing the fan on the card). I can play QuakeIII successfully for some time (at least an hour), and the time demos run without a problem. I suppose it could be driver related - I'm running 10.8.0 drivers, is anybody else having problems with them? Cheers, Steve.

I agree, it doesn't sound like a heat problem, or a hardware problem. To find out if it's driver related, try the 6.50 drivers from www.nvidia.com since they definitely work ok with GPL in D3D mode. For GPL on a GF2, D3D is faster than OpenGL. I don't know why people bother with beta drivers anyway, isn't the card fast enough with the reliable official drivers? Also, 6.xx drivers are just as compatible with DX8 as any of the newer beta drivers. "Steve Pritchard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Currently the case is completely open. I don't think it is heat related(at > least I hope not - I'm not sure there's much more I could do to cool itwithout > changing the fan on the card). I can play QuakeIII successfully for sometime > (at least an hour), and the time demos run without a problem. > > I suppose it could be driver related - I'm running 10.8.0 drivers, isanybody > else having problems with them? > > Cheers, > > Steve.

"Steve Pritchard" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[email hidden]... Hi! > Currently the case is completely open. I don't think it is heat related(at > least I hope not - I'm not sure there's much more I could do to cool itwithout > changing the fan on the card). I can play QuakeIII successfully for sometime > (at least an hour), and the time demos run without a problem. > I suppose it could be driver related - I'm running 10.8.0 drivers, isanybody > else having problems with them? Ok, then it's not the heat. I also suggest using V6.50 drivers like Mr. Simon Brown here does. I don't have a GeForce myself (but will have in a couple O# days), but some chaps in my LAN-league have and they all run those drivers and GPL without any problem. Regards Crash

> Thanks - I've already spent some time there! ;-) > > I'm wondering whether it might be a driver issue? N4 (demo) seems to workfine, > as does QuakeIII. A driver issue? With an Nividia product????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????' dave henrie > > Cheers, > > Steve. > >

In article <Z4tr6.3471$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Simon Brown) wrote: > I don't know why people bother with beta drivers anyway, isn't the card fast > enough with the reliable official drivers? Fair point, but I was suffering bad stability problems and I tried a variety of drivers during that time... Cheers, Steve.

In article <98lp69$22v$03$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Joachim Blum) wrote:

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> "Steve Pritchard" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:[email hidden]... > > Hi! > > > Currently the case is completely open. I don't think it is heat related > (at > > least I hope not - I'm not sure there's much more I could do to cool it > without > > changing the fan on the card). I can play QuakeIII successfully for some > time > > (at least an hour), and the time demos run without a problem. > > I suppose it could be driver related - I'm running 10.8.0 drivers, is > anybody > > else having problems with them? > > Ok, then it's not the heat. I also suggest using V6.50 drivers like Mr. > Simon Brown here does. I don't have a GeForce myself (but will have in a > couple O# days), but some chaps in my LAN-league have and they all run those > drivers and GPL without any problem. > > Regards > Crash > >

Nope, changing the drivers to 6.50 didn't fix the problem. :-( I'm not sure what else to try. It's really strange that The N4 Demo seems to work fine, and I can Play QuakeIII no problem, but GPL (the game I actually want to play) doesn't seem to want to work. Cheers, Steve.

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:52 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), [email hidden] (Steve Pritchard) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre >Warringa) wrote: > >> If you don't get an answer here, try this site, it was very helpfull >> for me solving my GFII problems: http://www.geforcefaq.com >> >> Good luck, >> Andre > >Thanks - I've already spent some time there! ;-) > >I'm wondering whether it might be a driver issue? N4 (demo) seems to work fine, >as does QuakeIII.

Hard to say.. I also have the Asus 7700 card, and it works fantastic, at the back of a start at monaco I have a constant 36fps without a drop when the cars start to move in 1024 res. I have used a couple of different drivers, the 6.50, 10.50, they all worked fine for GPL, but I went back to the Asus 6.31 drivers, I didn't notice any fps difference between all these different versions, and you need the Asus drivers to fully support the 3D glasses (the 10.50 beta drivers do support them, but not half as good as the Asus 6.31 drivers). So I don't think it's a driver problem.. Maybe your system is having traces of other drivers in your regstry causing your problems. If you had a 3dfx card before, the best thing you can do is to simpy reinstall Windows and do a clean install of the Asus drivers. You can remove all 3dfx entries from your registry manually, I did that, but a fresh reinstall of windows is best to make sure your system is clean again. To remove traces of other Nvidia drivers, use this excellent tweak guide to remove the nvidia references from your registry: http://www.3dgpu.com/tweaking/index.cfm Tip: Don't mess with those 10.x beta drivers, a lot of people seem to have problems with these drivers, with many games not working anymore. The official 6.50 drivers are fine, but for the Asus 7700 I can recommend the Asus 6.31 drivers. Also post your problem on the nvidia newsgroup, there are some people there who know anything about these cards. Let me know please how things work out. Andre. >Cheers, > >Steve. > >

Fair enough :) "Steve Pritchard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Fair point, but I was suffering bad stability problems and I tried avariety of > drivers during that time... > > Cheers, > > Steve.

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> So I don't think it's a driver problem.. Maybe your system is having > traces of other drivers in your regstry causing your problems. > If you had a 3dfx card before, the best thing you can do is to simpy > reinstall Windows and do a clean install of the Asus drivers. > You can remove all 3dfx entries from your registry manually, I did > that, but a fresh reinstall of windows is best to make sure your > system is clean again. > To remove traces of other Nvidia drivers, use this excellent tweak > guide to remove the nvidia references from your registry: > http://www.3dgpu.com/tweaking/index.cfm

The installation is almost clean. Originally there was an old ATI card in the machine when it was built, and then the Asus card was added, and there have been multiple graphics drivers installed since then. I'll try and ensure that the drivers are completely removed, and go for a re-install of the Asus 6.31 drivers, and see if that helps. Cheers, Steve.

If people want to use beta drivers then they get what's coming to them (in general, not a comment on this particular case). The last four or five releases of official drivers from nVidia have been totally compatible and problem free in my experience, and i've tried them with a broad range of games, as well as with my own D3D programs. If NVidia used to have a bad reputation, then from 6.xx onwards they've really got their house in order. I sold my V5 because of driver bugs, and I can remember plenty of faults with Voodoo 3 drivers. I also remember 3dfx had a beta driver program for the V3 (I had the sense to avoid them, as I do with nVidia beta drivers). I don't mean to be a pain in the ass on this subject Dave, but your comments just don't square with my experiences with the GF2 and it's drivers. I don't have an axe to grind. I had a choice of getting a V5 or GF2 and I chose the V5, so I'm hardly an NVidia lover. In fact i've owned just about every 3dfx product ever released (VG, V2, V3 + V5), but my GF2 has proved as compatible as any of those cards were. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NVAr6.565476$[email hidden]... > > A driver issue? With an Nividia >product????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > ?????????????????????????????' > dave henrie

Glad your system is running well. I am probably suffering from the "the end for your 3dfx is near" syndrome...It just seems there are SO many Nvidia drivers.. my perspective is from the 'outside looking in' and it sure seems to be lots of problems that really are inter-related with other systems. Tom Pabst has written about real stability problems with certain hardware types and Win98se.. and acpi and Aureal soundcards.... But here I am...with an Aureal oem, a V5, an AMD, Win98se WITH acpi installed (don't tell Tom...!) and all of these things should be fighting each other...but they aren't, at least not yet :) So, for now, I'll follow the IIABDFI rule. dave henrie "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0fJr6.5184$[email hidden]... > If people want to use beta drivers then they get what's coming to them (in > general, not a comment on this particular case). The last four or five > releases of official drivers from nVidia have been totally compatible and > problem free in my experience, and i've tried them with a broad range of > games, as well as with my own D3D programs. If NVidia used to have a bad > reputation, then from 6.xx onwards they've really got their house inorder. > > I sold my V5 because of driver bugs, and I can remember plenty of faults > with Voodoo 3 drivers. I also remember 3dfx had a beta driver program for > the V3 (I had the sense to avoid them, as I do with nVidia beta drivers). > > I don't mean to be a pain in the ass on this subject Dave, but yourcomments > just don't square with my experiences with the GF2 and it's drivers. I > don't have an axe to grind. I had a choice of getting a V5 or GF2 and I > chose the V5, so I'm hardly an NVidia lover. In fact i've owned justabout > every 3dfx product ever released (VG, V2, V3 + V5), but my GF2 has provedas

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> compatible as any of those cards were. > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:NVAr6.565476$[email hidden]... > > > > A driver issue? With an Nividia > > >

product????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > > ?????????????????????????????' > > dave henrie > > >

Just got started with GPL [oh why didn't I find it sooner?!] & once I'm able to drive somewhat consistently plan on getting involved in VROC racing online. Got GPL installed, including the v1.2 update & d3d patch on a 933MHz PIII, 256MB ram, 32MB Annihilator2 video w/Creative drivers, SBLive! w/MP3 + 5.1 sound & using a Guillemot Ferrari FFB wheel & pedals setup - but I've only been able to get in 2-3 laps of practice, then get a VxD Blue Screen of Death. This only happens running GPL. Plan on going to Detonator drivers - have already gone thru the nighmare of clearing my system of old ATI drivers - but have a feeling the problem may be caused by the SBLive! for some reason. Have spent quite a bit of time browsing the GPL related websites & seem to recall reading about a reason for this happening in GPL, along with a work-around or fix - but can't remember where. Does anyone know the solution for this problem, or perhaps be able to direct me to the GPL guru who could help in solving it? D/L'd Eagle Woman's X-files car setups hoping they might help me get "up to speed" quicker & noted one for Elkhart Lake. I raced open wheel Formula Vee & Formula B [poor man's = to today's Skip Barber class] cars in the SCCA during the late 60's - early 70's & ran at Elkhart Lake many times. Where can I D/L this track? Perhaps I can "get in the groove" of GPL racing quicker since I'm familiar with the course! Tod Knuth E-mail : [email hidden] Chat: ICQ: 37897048 - Firetalk: 1156850 Voice: BattleCom & Roger Wilco Callsign - Slyder Any help or guidance would be appreciated. "Steve Pritchard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden](Andre

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> Warringa) wrote: > > > So I don't think it's a driver problem.. Maybe your system is having > > traces of other drivers in your regstry causing your problems. > > If you had a 3dfx card before, the best thing you can do is to simpy > > reinstall Windows and do a clean install of the Asus drivers. > > You can remove all 3dfx entries from your registry manually, I did > > that, but a fresh reinstall of windows is best to make sure your > > system is clean again. > > To remove traces of other Nvidia drivers, use this excellent tweak > > guide to remove the nvidia references from your registry: > > http://www.3dgpu.com/tweaking/index.cfm > > The installation is almost clean. Originally there was an old ATI card in

the > machine when it was built, and then the Asus card was added, and therehave been > multiple graphics drivers installed since then. I'll try and ensure thatthe

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> drivers are completely removed, and go for a re-install of the Asus 6.31 > drivers, and see if that helps. > > Cheers, > > Steve. >

I know where you're coming from, there are *lots* of threads here with people having problems with NVidia cards, particularly the MX and Ultra. It's hard to answer that point without delving into wild speculation. I don't see the driver issue as a problem though. I've never felt the need to use any drivers but the official ones from nvidia. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:l%Kr6.568666$[email hidden]... > Glad your system is running well. I am probably suffering from the > "the end for your 3dfx is near" syndrome...It just seems there are SO many > Nvidia drivers.. > my perspective is from the 'outside looking in' and it sure seems to belots

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> of > problems that really are inter-related with other systems. Tom Pabst has > written about > real stability problems with certain hardware types and Win98se.. and acpi > and > Aureal soundcards.... > But here I am...with an Aureal oem, a V5, an AMD, Win98se WITH acpi > installed > (don't tell Tom...!) and all of these things should be fighting each > other...but they aren't, > at least not yet :) > So, for now, I'll follow the IIABDFI rule. > dave henrie

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Steve Pritchard) wrote: > I'm not sure what else to try. It's really strange that The N4 Demo seems to > work fine, and I can Play QuakeIII no problem, but GPL (the game I actually > want to play) doesn't seem to want to work. I re-installed GPL (after having to try my 3rd CD drive because the copy protection barfs on the first two), and it just works fine now. It must have been a patch or something, because when I copied various parts of my old installation over the new, the problem re-appeared. But I've got everything I want working now (sounds/tracks/cars), and so I'm a happy chap. The GeForce2 GTS rocks! I've not really pushed it as hard as I could, but the frame rates are fantastic. Thanks for the suggestions everyone. Steve.

On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:53 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), [email hidden] (Steve Pritchard) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] (Steve Pritchard) wrote: > >> I'm not sure what else to try. It's really strange that The N4 Demo seems to >> work fine, and I can Play QuakeIII no problem, but GPL (the game I actually >> want to play) doesn't seem to want to work. > >I re-installed GPL (after having to try my 3rd CD drive because the copy >protection barfs on the first two), and it just works fine now. It must have >been a patch or something, because when I copied various parts of my old >installation over the new, the problem re-appeared. > >But I've got everything I want working now (sounds/tracks/cars), and so I'm a >happy chap. The GeForce2 GTS rocks! I've not really pushed it as hard as I >could, but the frame rates are fantastic. > >Thanks for the suggestions everyone.

Good news :) Damn, how could I forget the 'reinstall GPL' tip :) Andre >Steve.