F1 is like arcade game

I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. Traction control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty soon They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options to turn off all the driving aids. -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden]

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> > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. Traction > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty soon > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options to > turn off all the driving aids. > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden]

This could be a reason why young drivers with next to no car racing experience can step up to the plate and have instant success. I'll bet it is because the cars are so easy to drive. Like, come on, young kids with ONLY 20 car races under their belt jumps into F1 and has instant success while their previous race car only had 200 or so horsepower and then jumping into a 800+hp f1 car? Something is wrong. I think some teams are using a form of ABS. One good thing is they are getting rid of powersteering, that is a good sign. Guess some of them skinny F1 drivers could have their handsfull for a full length GP. With all the downforce generated by the car it couldn't be too easy to steer.

The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really special in the water down there. NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great skill. David G Fisher "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game.Traction

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> control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty soon > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options to > turn off all the driving aids. > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] > > >

> The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). Well I can think of a couple of million RALLY fans that will beg to differ. :) > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people.all drivers do....it's where the opportunities lay that matters > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > special in the water down there. Damn! Better tell Jeff Gordon and Tony stewart and Dave Blaney etc etc that they cain't drive Winston Cup..Cuz they wazzn't born down there. > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a greatskill. true so true if all you do is hotlapping...most F1 drivers might have a heart attack if they had to race for 3-4 hours with 30+ cars in the lead pack tho. > > David G Fisher dave e henrie >

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> Kevin Anderson wrote: >> >> I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. Traction >> control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty soon >> They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of >> racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options to >> turn off all the driving aids. >> >> -- >> Kevin Anderson >> [email hidden] > This could be a reason why young drivers with next to no car racing > experience can step up to the plate and have instant success. I'll bet > it is because the cars are so easy to drive. Like, come on, young kids > with ONLY 20 car races under their belt jumps into F1 and has instant > success while their previous race car only had 200 or so horsepower and > then jumping into a 800+hp f1 car? Something is wrong. > I think some teams are using a form of ABS. > One good thing is they are getting rid of powersteering, that is a good > sign. Guess some of them skinny F1 drivers could have their handsfull > for a full length GP. With all the downforce generated by the car it > couldn't be too easy to steer.

How do you know how easy they are to drive? Why do you think 'some teams are using a form of ABS'? If you ever watched a race you'd see brake lockups all the time. Which teams? 'Form of ABS'? Sounds like you're talking crap, Alan. -Nick

I didn't hear anyone compare to Nascar, My posted stated that F1 has taken the driver out of the equation. May as well have the engineers up there with the Champagne after they win a race. -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > special in the water down there. > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great skill. > > David G Fisher > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > Traction > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty soon > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options to > > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > -- > > Kevin Anderson > > [email hidden] > > > > > > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > special in the water down there. > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a greatskill. Troll.... dobee dobee do... -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Since DGF mentions F1 has a worldwide talent pool, I've got question, has there ever been a native African(s) to drive in F1? David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]...

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> The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > special in the water down there. > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great

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> > David G Fisher > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > Traction > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty

soon > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will optionsto

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> > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > -- > > Kevin Anderson > > [email hidden] > > > > > > >

I'd be willing to guess that a South African or two has raced F1.. "Garraputo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:98oukt$ldo$[email hidden]... > Since DGF mentions F1 has a worldwide talent pool, I've got question, has > there ever been a native African(s) to drive in F1?dave henrie

Is this guy ever going to let it go?? phew!!! Talk about beating a dead horse! David F we know you "opinons" about F1 so take a chill pill or some prozac will ya? Jeeez... Btw: I wonder where David F got the 'all-mighty' info that detailed this? "The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers" &!! "F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people." I'd love to hear all the so called expert info with true backup on these comments! hahahahaha!! Do you think maybe Meir Shetreet will drive F1 next? huh? huh? OMG this is too funny! Cheers Thom_j. | "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]...<snipped> | > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. | > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people.<snipped again>

> Why do you think 'some teams are using a form of ABS'? If you ever watched > a race you'd see brake lockups all the time. Which teams? 'Form of ABS'? > > Sounds like you're talking crap, Alan. > > -Nick Well some teams were using launch control until they were found out. So you're 100% sure there's no cheating going on now then?? Cheers Gerry

David G Fisher wrote: > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. Thanks dimwit, that's another quote for my "collection"! Gerry "All I can think to say to my critics is go f**k yourselves." -- David G Fisher

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> "Garraputo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:98oukt$ldo$[email hidden]... >> Since DGF mentions F1 has a worldwide talent pool, I've got question, has >> there ever been a native African(s) to drive in F1? > dave henrie > I'd be willing to guess that a South African or two has raced F1..

www.forix.com lists (click "countries" in the "drivers" section in the main page) 2 Moroccan, 4 Rhodesian and 19 South African drivers. One of the South Africans, of course, is a world champion. -- J. Sakari Salonen / [email hidden] > "Garraputo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:98oukt$ldo$[email hidden]... >> Since DGF mentions F1 has a worldwide talent pool, I've got question, has >> there ever been a native African(s) to drive in F1? > dave henrie

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:52:26 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans >don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > >F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. Are you including the Chinese in that figure? Exactly how many Chinese F1 drivers are there? :) BD

This ought to be an interesting thread. :) -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. Traction > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty soon > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options to > turn off all the driving aids. > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] > > >

I knew it. Someone rename this thread to let's bash Nascar fans. whooeeee. sheese, -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > special in the water down there. > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great skill. > > David G Fisher > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > Traction > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty soon > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options to > > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > -- > > Kevin Anderson > > [email hidden] > > > > > > >

Nascar sims easy? Load up N4 and meet some of us online, we'll show you easy. :) -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > special in the water down there. > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great skill. > > David G Fisher > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > Traction > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty soon > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options to > > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > -- > > Kevin Anderson > > [email hidden] > > > > > > >

No it didn't, but I saw that one coming a mile away. -- Donald M. Burnette yes, I have a middle initial too motorsports. . "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UNSr6.182323$[email hidden]... > I didn't hear anyone compare to Nascar, My posted stated that F1 has taken > the driver out of the equation. May as well have the engineers up there with > the Champagne after they win a race. > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > > > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > > > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you > > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > > special in the water down there. > > > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great > skill. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > > Traction > > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty > soon > > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options > to > > > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > > > -- > > > Kevin Anderson > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Ohh Lord, don't mention south and F1 in the same sentence to David G. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EcTr6.570338$[email hidden]... > I'd be willing to guess that a South African or two has raced F1.. > > "Garraputo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:98oukt$ldo$[email hidden]... > > Since DGF mentions F1 has a worldwide talent pool, I've got question, has > > there ever been a native African(s) to drive in F1? > dave henrie > >

>Since DGF mentions F1 has a worldwide talent pool, I've got question, has >there ever been a native African(s) to drive in F1? Hell, what about India and China? They together make up 1/3 of the world's population. - Alan

I guess living in N. Georgia is the reason why I suck so bad at Darlington? J. Janasov Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%hUr6.5030$[email hidden]...

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> This ought to be an interesting thread. > :) > > -- > Don Burnette > D Burnette in N4 > > Some people do nothing wrong. > The problem is, they do nothing. > And THAT is wrong. > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > Traction > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty

soon > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will optionsto

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> > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > -- > > Kevin Anderson > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). Maybe they are, but their cars are easy to drive!!!!!!!

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> F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > special in the water down there. > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great

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> > David G Fisher > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > Traction > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty

soon > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will optionsto

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> > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > -- > > Kevin Anderson > > [email hidden] > > > > > > >

I thought it was more like 1/2. "Alan Conceicao" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >Since DGF mentions F1 has a worldwide talent pool, I've got question, has > >there ever been a native African(s) to drive in F1? > > Hell, what about India and China? They together make up 1/3 of the world's > population. > > - > Alan

Lol, no, it just means you can't drive F1, we're too redneck and dumb. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "J. Janasov" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:98p3v8$m46$[email hidden]... > I guess living in N. Georgia is the reason why I suck so bad at Darlington? > > J. Janasov > > Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%hUr6.5030$[email hidden]... > > This ought to be an interesting thread. > > :) > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > D Burnette in N4 > > > > Some people do nothing wrong. > > The problem is, they do nothing. > > And THAT is wrong. > > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > > Traction > > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty > soon > > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options > to > > > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > > > -- > > > Kevin Anderson > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I guess I'll say it again... Difference of opinion makes a market. -- "It's easy to criticize from outside the cockpit". -Murray Walker, 1993 Australian G.P.

Your stereotyping all of us N4 drivers by the actions of 1 or 2? Do you think that's right? Get in a decent league with a good group of drivers, run nose to tail and side by side for about 150 laps, then come back and tell us how easy it is. One thing I love about racing Nascar - no matter how good you think you might be, there'll always be better. Interestingly, I find racing on road courses where the cars get scattered out much easier than on ovals with a good group of drivers. I don't want to just race the track, I want to race the competitors. I don't dislike road courses, or F1, or Cart - heck, I still have GPL on my machine and love it. But for sweat on the eyebrow racing, Nascar is where it's at for me. I get a rush during and after running those races like no other. And btw, whatever league allowed what happened below is not much of a league. There are several good ones out there. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V%Wr6.11811$[email hidden]... > I did the other week...jumped in a fixed setup race with a league...they > were going to try me out. I ended up on the pole at Atlanta and then was > running well until a rail rider took me out. This was in a passworded > league race. It is really sad. I was told later that the rail rider was > last years champion and that he was "just playing around"...N4 IS > easy...unless you take the car to a road course. Maybe ovals are harder for > some, but I find them easy to master. Oh yeah, in the post race meeting, I > was called a "nigger"...I am assuming because my last name is Black. You N4 > drivers aren't impressing me at all > > JB > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0kUr6.5033$[email hidden]... > > Nascar sims easy? > > > > Load up N4 and meet some of us online, we'll show you easy. > > :) > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > D Burnette in N4 > > > > Some people do nothing wrong. > > The problem is, they do nothing. > > And THAT is wrong. > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > > > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > > > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > > > > > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > > > > > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if > you > > > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > > > special in the water down there. > > > > > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great > > skill. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > > > Traction > > > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty > > soon > > > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options > > to > > > > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Kevin Anderson > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:52:26 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans >don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > >F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > >NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you >believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really >special in the water down there. > >NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great skill. > >David G Fisher

David, You aren't related to Dale Carnegie, are you? :) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. Bullshit. If that were the case then we'd see the field dominated by Asian and Indian drivers, with at least a few blacks as well. The talent pool is NOT drawn from the entire planet, since the specialized and developed driving skills and vehicles necessary are not present in most parts of the world. Just as NASCAR drivers are largely southern with some drivers from other areas of the US, F1 is mainly a European endeavor with some Latin Americans represented (many of whom have European backgrounds themselves).

Well I think you better re-read my reply post below! hahaha I said nothing about "how many" people were in the world! phew!! "I said: I'd love to hear all the so called expert info with true backup on these comments!" Meaning His comments on: "best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers" Soon I believe I will be selling brain pills here.. hahahaha <vbg> Cheers Thom_j. Btw: Jessie I've put 1000s apon 1000s of online & off hrs in Gpl.. Not to even think about all the SBKs, DTRs and much more! You should know this since I was in your GPL offline league that you tried to startup!!! So just keep Smilin' :o) "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uTWr6.11740$[email hidden]... | Backup on the comments? Do you disagree with the population of the world? | Maybe you want to call it 5 billion? How many Europeans and Asians racein | Nascar? You must admit, the general talent pool for Nascar comes from the | US...yet there isn't an American driving in F1...and don't kid yourselfand | say that we aren't trying to get into F1...I hate to bring this otherpoint

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| up...but foreigners that want to race in the US usually end up in CART. I | have nothing against the skills of Gordon or Stewart or any other nascar | driver, its just that the numbers are against them. And besides, how many | F1 drivers do you see smoking during the race? | | JB | | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:alTr6.22382$[email hidden]... | > Is this guy ever going to let it go?? phew!!! Talk about beating a dead | > horse! | > David F we know you "opinons" about F1 so take a chill pill or some

prozac | > will ya? Jeeez... | > Btw: I wonder where David F got the 'all-mighty' info that detailedthis? | > "The | > best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers" &!! "F1 drivers come | from | > a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people." I'd love to hear all theso | > called | > expert info with true backup on these comments! hahahahaha!! Do youthink

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| > maybe Meir Shetreet will drive F1 next? huh? huh? OMG this is too funny! | > Cheers Thom_j. | > | > | "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > | news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... | > <snipped> | > | > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. | > | > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. | > <snipped again> | > | > | |

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>> Why do you think 'some teams are using a form of ABS'? If you ever watched >> a race you'd see brake lockups all the time. Which teams? 'Form of ABS'? >> >> Sounds like you're talking crap, Alan. >> >> -Nick > Well some teams were using launch control until they were found out. > So you're 100% sure there's no cheating going on now then?? > Cheers > Gerry

Where did I say that? I'm simply pointing out that Alan is making accusations based on no evidence or experience. -Nick

I said " I THINK some teams..." I didn't say they were using ABS, but wouldn't be surprised if they did. I also didn't say the car were easy to drive but rather said "I'll bet it is" I didn't once say they were easy to drive. I was speculating! I am probably wrong, but I could be right. It is a opinion. [email hidden] wrote:

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> > Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> Why do you think 'some teams are using a form of ABS'? If you ever watched > >> a race you'd see brake lockups all the time. Which teams? 'Form of ABS'? > >> > >> Sounds like you're talking crap, Alan. > >> > >> -Nick > > > Well some teams were using launch control until they were found out. > > > So you're 100% sure there's no cheating going on now then?? > > > Cheers > > > Gerry > > Where did I say that? > > I'm simply pointing out that Alan is making accusations > based on no evidence or experience. > > -Nick

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ok here is the quote from your message: <startquote> Btw: I wonder where David F got the 'all-mighty' info that detailed this? "The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers" &!! "F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people." I'd love to hear all the so called expert info with true backup on these comments! hahahahaha!! <endquote> You quote him twice, once on best drivers in world, the other on f1 drivers coming from a talent pool of 6 billion people. But yet then you go to say you want to know where David got this information, as if you are questioning his statement. So you obviously feel that F1 drivers do not come from a world wide talent pool. Maybe you can clarify...I took a stab at it thinking maybe you feel there aren't 6 billion people in the world...or maybe you feel that only 1 billion have any remote chance of being talented racing a car...or maybe you feel that only a few thousand have the talent along with the money and all they need is a little luck. You questioned his statement and I took a stab at why...but yet you feel I need brain pills... hey maybe you just forgot that you quoted him twice, and then I am wondering why you are telling ME to re-read your post. Jesse Black "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:meZr6.24035$[email hidden]... > Well I think you better re-read my reply post below! hahaha I said nothing > about "how many" people were in the world! phew!! "I said: I'd love tohear

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> all the so called expert info with true backup on these comments!" Meaning > His comments on: "best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers" Soon > I believe I will be selling brain pills here.. hahahaha <vbg> > Cheers Thom_j. > Btw: Jessie I've put 1000s apon 1000s of online & off hrs in Gpl.. Not to > even think about all the SBKs, DTRs and much more! You should know > this since I was in your GPL offline league that you tried to startup!!!

So > just keep Smilin' :o) > > "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uTWr6.11740$[email hidden]... > | Backup on the comments? Do you disagree with the population of theworld? > | Maybe you want to call it 5 billion? How many Europeans and Asians race > in > | Nascar? You must admit, the general talent pool for Nascar comes fromthe > | US...yet there isn't an American driving in F1...and don't kid yourself > and > | say that we aren't trying to get into F1...I hate to bring this other > point > | up...but foreigners that want to race in the US usually end up in CART.I > | have nothing against the skills of Gordon or Stewart or any other nascar > | driver, its just that the numbers are against them. And besides, howmany

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> | F1 drivers do you see smoking during the race? > | > | JB > | > | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | news:alTr6.22382$[email hidden]... > | > Is this guy ever going to let it go?? phew!!! Talk about beating a

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> | > horse! > | > David F we know you "opinons" about F1 so take a chill pill or some > prozac > | > will ya? Jeeez... > | > Btw: I wonder where David F got the 'all-mighty' info that detailed > this? > | > "The > | > best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers" &!! "F1 drivers

come > | from > | > a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people." I'd love to hear allthe > so > | > called > | > expert info with true backup on these comments! hahahahaha!! Do you > think > | > maybe Meir Shetreet will drive F1 next? huh? huh? OMG this is toofunny!

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> | > Cheers Thom_j. > | > > | > | "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | > | news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > | > <snipped> > | > | > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. > | > | > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > | > <snipped again> > | > > | > > | > | > >

I was under the impression that a lot of those driving aids had been outlawed. As far as I know, power steering has never been allowed in F1, which is why all the drivers have to be extremely fit - those cars generate more G-forces than practically any other kind of car. F1 is extremely technically advanced, and I'd agree that the engineers (and all the rest of the team) deserve a big slice of the credit when theirs cars win, but that isn't to belittle the drivers - they are at the top of their profession. The young guys coming in are extremely good because they are the pick of the crop. Maybe the reason they can get straight in the car and go fast is that a lot of them practice with computer games - Juan Montoya at least is a GPL fan! "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game.Traction

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> control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty soon > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options to > turn off all the driving aids. > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] > > >

Quick compare between "EUROPE" and "NASCAR" drivers I put europe between "" because I will include people like villeneuve or montoya which are not europeans at all. It is true that NASCAR is very "closed" to foreigners, CART or indy light (whatever it is called these days) is much more "opened", I have numerous example of "average" european drivers that went to cart successfully and that were not really "top" in F1 or european series (F3, F3000....) You can't argue the fact that Mansell, Zanardi, Montoya were very successful in cart after coming from "European" races, on the other NOBODY ever goes to NASCAR (because they just don't want to accept anybody from the outside) and very few people are coming from CART into F1 with success (villeneuve doesn't count because he "learned" to race in the "European" series. So maybe you can say that F1 although an arcade game is much more difficult to win (not to race) than cart, the last time a TRUE cart pilot came to F1 was M.Andretti, without too muh success, altough bieng in the same team as Senna surely didn't help him to gain confidence, the last US world champion in F1 is Andretti in 78, Cheever did some good stuff in the mid 80's but he obviously wasn't able to beat Prost, Alboreto and other leading drivers of the time. Make any conclusions you want but I think it is easy to overestimate NASCAR drivers because they is no way you can compare them to other drivers, they don't go into other categories and other categories drivers don't come to nascar... One more point about "F1 drivers would be scared about 30-pack races to the last lap", never forget that nascar and cart races are ARTIFICIALLY close, you have yellow flags every 5 minutes (good for commercials on TV) and with "restrictor plate" in nascar it is even closer than that, I don't say it is good or bad, I am just pointing out that US racing is ARTIFICIALLY close for television purposes...the show, always the show... Ok, let the flaming begin

I can't believe it? hahahaha The quoted parts is by David F not me!! Jeeez Duh.. hahahaha <g> He refers to "6billion folks" not me!!! Hey maybe we can get Jackie Chan to race F1. He is apart of the 6 billion {give or take}. Whatcha think? hahahaha... Thom_j. "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ku_r6.11890$[email hidden]...

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| ok here is the quote from your message: | | <startquote> | | Btw: I wonder where David F got the 'all-mighty' info that detailed this? | "The | best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers" &!! "F1 drivers come

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| a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people." I'd love to hear all the so | called | expert info with true backup on these comments! hahahahaha!! | | <endquote> | | You quote him twice, once on best drivers in world, the other on f1

drivers | coming from a talent pool of 6 billion people. But yet then you go to say | you want to know where David got this information, as if you arequestioning | his statement. So you obviously feel that F1 drivers do not come from a | world wide talent pool. Maybe you can clarify...I took a stab at it | thinking maybe you feel there aren't 6 billion people in the world...or | maybe you feel that only 1 billion have any remote chance of beingtalented | racing a car...or maybe you feel that only a few thousand have the talent | along with the money and all they need is a little luck. You questionedhis | statement and I took a stab at why...but yet you feel I need brainpills... | | hey maybe you just forgot that you quoted him twice, and then I amwondering

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| why you are telling ME to re-read your post. | | Jesse Black | | | | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:meZr6.24035$[email hidden]... | > Well I think you better re-read my reply post below! hahaha I said

nothing | > about "how many" people were in the world! phew!! "I said: I'd love to | hear | > all the so called expert info with true backup on these comments!"Meaning | > His comments on: "best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers"Soon | > I believe I will be selling brain pills here.. hahahaha <vbg> | > Cheers Thom_j. | > Btw: Jessie I've put 1000s apon 1000s of online & off hrs in Gpl.. Notto

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| > even think about all the SBKs, DTRs and much more! You should know | > this since I was in your GPL offline league that you tried to startup!!! | So | > just keep Smilin' :o) | > | > "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > news:uTWr6.11740$[email hidden]... | > | Backup on the comments? Do you disagree with the population of the | world? | > | Maybe you want to call it 5 billion? How many Europeans and Asians

race | > in | > | Nascar? You must admit, the general talent pool for Nascar comes from | the | > | US...yet there isn't an American driving in F1...and don't kidyourself | > and | > | say that we aren't trying to get into F1...I hate to bring this other | > point | > | up...but foreigners that want to race in the US usually end up inCART. | I | > | have nothing against the skills of Gordon or Stewart or any othernascar

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| > | driver, its just that the numbers are against them. And besides, how | many | > | F1 drivers do you see smoking during the race? | > | | > | JB | > | | > | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > | news:alTr6.22382$[email hidden]... | > | > Is this guy ever going to let it go?? phew!!! Talk about beating a | dead | > | > horse! | > | > David F we know you "opinons" about F1 so take a chill pill or some | > prozac | > | > will ya? Jeeez... | > | > Btw: I wonder where David F got the 'all-mighty' info that detailed | > this? | > | > "The | > | > best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers" &!! "F1 drivers | come | > | from | > | > a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people." I'd love to hear all | the | > so | > | > called | > | > expert info with true backup on these comments! hahahahaha!! Do you | > think | > | > maybe Meir Shetreet will drive F1 next? huh? huh? OMG this is too | funny! | > | > Cheers Thom_j. | > | > | > | > | "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > | > | news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... | > | > <snipped> | > | > | > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. | > | > | > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion

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Interesting comments Txl.. The bottom line is 99.9% of us will never get to race "F1, Nascar, Cart, IRL" etc as either we do not have the money nor the talent. Yes we all enjoy sim-computer racing but the real deal in real-life is another matter. I just love all these posts about who does this or that & most of us {yes us!} have never raced in this cailber of racing in real-life. Relax guyzz will ya??!! Phew... <G> Thom_j. "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o62s6.1097$[email hidden]... | Quick compare between "EUROPE" and "NASCAR" drivers | | I put europe between "" because I will include people like villeneuve or | montoya which are not europeans at all.<snipped not to waste NG space>

They are not easy to drive two or three years ago Tommi Makinen and Mick Doohan were given a drive in the williams and nither of them managed a single lap without spining. Granted that was a few years ago but the cars had more downforce and grip then last years hars that Button drove. Also traction control is not alowed untill later this season, the young drivers are doing so well because they are talented and have been driveing since they could walk. "Alan Orton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Kevin Anderson wrote: > > > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game.Traction > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Prettysoon > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will optionsto

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> > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > -- > > Kevin Anderson > > [email hidden] > > This could be a reason why young drivers with next to no car racing > experience can step up to the plate and have instant success. I'll bet > it is because the cars are so easy to drive. Like, come on, young kids > with ONLY 20 car races under their belt jumps into F1 and has instant > success while their previous race car only had 200 or so horsepower and > then jumping into a 800+hp f1 car? Something is wrong. > I think some teams are using a form of ABS. > One good thing is they are getting rid of powersteering, that is a good > sign. Guess some of them skinny F1 drivers could have their handsfull > for a full length GP. With all the downforce generated by the car it > couldn't be too easy to steer.

f1 drivers come from a talent pool of about 10000 how many of those 6million actualy start carting by the time they are 10 then get the backing to be competative, then get the backing to get into full size racing in a competative car. Actualy thinking about it it's probably more like 1000. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]...

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> The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > special in the water down there. > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great

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> > David G Fisher > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > Traction > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty

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> > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > -- > > Kevin Anderson > > [email hidden] > > > > > > >

Im glad to see your blinded bias isn't lost David. By any chance did you right a "review" for n4 at guru-game.net under the name Tyler? -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > special in the water down there. > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great skill. > > David G Fisher > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > Traction > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty soon > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options to > > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > -- > > Kevin Anderson > > [email hidden] > > > > > > >

BTW David... How are those HANS devices in F1 working out? What's that? They delayed the mandatory use for a year because driver's were not COMFORTABLE using them? I wonder where I read the attack on NASCAR and it's drivers for the exact same reason? Ironic... A higher percentage of NASCAR drivers are wearing the device than F1 drivers, and neither series MANDATES it at this time. Interesting... -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > special in the water down there. > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great skill. > > David G Fisher > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > Traction > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty soon > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options to > > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > -- > > Kevin Anderson > > [email hidden] > > > > > > >

Its doobie doobie doo dammit Frank! ;) -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KOSr6.388698$[email hidden]... > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you > > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > > special in the water down there. > > > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great > skill. > > > Troll.... dobee dobee do... > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

You mean David F. =) -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) Don Burnette <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cmUr6.5035$[email hidden]... > Ohh Lord, don't mention south and F1 in the same sentence to David G. > > -- > Don Burnette > D Burnette in N4 > > Some people do nothing wrong. > The problem is, they do nothing. > And THAT is wrong. > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:EcTr6.570338$[email hidden]... > > I'd be willing to guess that a South African or two has raced F1.. > > > > "Garraputo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:98oukt$ldo$[email hidden]... > > > Since DGF mentions F1 has a worldwide talent pool, I've got question, > has > > > there ever been a native African(s) to drive in F1? > > dave henrie > > > > > >

Thats right.. All N4 racers will call you the N word. Perhaps you and Mr. Fisher can write a book on gross misrepresntations of stereotypes? BTW... there are black N4 sim racers and some of them are DAMN good! -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) Wosco <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:V%Wr6.11811$[email hidden]... > I did the other week...jumped in a fixed setup race with a league...they > were going to try me out. I ended up on the pole at Atlanta and then was > running well until a rail rider took me out. This was in a passworded > league race. It is really sad. I was told later that the rail rider was > last years champion and that he was "just playing around"...N4 IS > easy...unless you take the car to a road course. Maybe ovals are harder for > some, but I find them easy to master. Oh yeah, in the post race meeting, I > was called a "nigger"...I am assuming because my last name is Black. You N4 > drivers aren't impressing me at all > > JB > > "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0kUr6.5033$[email hidden]... > > Nascar sims easy? > > > > Load up N4 and meet some of us online, we'll show you easy. > > :) > > > > -- > > Don Burnette > > D Burnette in N4 > > > > Some people do nothing wrong. > > The problem is, they do nothing. > > And THAT is wrong. > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > > > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > > > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > > > > > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > > > > > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if > you > > > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > > > special in the water down there. > > > > > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great > > skill. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > > > Traction > > > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty > > soon > > > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options > > to > > > > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Kevin Anderson > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

F1 drivers = Horse Jockeys. 1/2 pints just along for the ride! ;) -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) Me, Myself and Ray <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kyUr6.178848$[email hidden]... > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > > Maybe they are, but their cars are easy to drive!!!!!!! > > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > > > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you > > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > > special in the water down there. > > > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great > skill. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > > Traction > > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty > soon > > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options > to > > > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > > > -- > > > Kevin Anderson > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ACK! "write" not "right" ;) -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:pb6s6.11963$[email hidden]... > Im glad to see your blinded bias isn't lost David. By any chance did you > right a "review" for n4 at guru-game.net under the name Tyler? > > > -- > Scott B. Husted > PA-Scott > The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) > > > David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > > > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > > > > NASCAR drivers come from one region (south) of one country. I guess if you > > believe NASCAR drivers are talented, then there must be something really > > special in the water down there. > > > > NASCAR sims are easy and very boring. Turning left is hardly a great > skill. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8BPr6.181944$[email hidden]... > > > I was just thinking how the real F1 has become like an arcade game. > > Traction > > > control, automatic trans, Do they also have Anti lock brakes?. Pretty > soon > > > They will not even need the drivers and it will finally be the type of > > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will options > to > > > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > > > -- > > > Kevin Anderson > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > > > > >

IF someone called you the N word then they are just plain dumb ass unitelligent rednecks any N4 racer with any kind of self respect would not say that. Robert "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Rh6s6.11967$[email hidden]... > Thats right.. All N4 racers will call you the N word. Perhaps you andMr.

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> Fisher can write a book on gross misrepresntations of stereotypes? BTW... > there are black N4 sim racers and some of them are DAMN good! > > -- > Scott B. Husted > PA-Scott > The Pits: PowerSims Magazine (http://www.theuspits.com) > > > Wosco <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:V%Wr6.11811$[email hidden]... > > I did the other week...jumped in a fixed setup race with a league...they > > were going to try me out. I ended up on the pole at Atlanta and then

was > > running well until a rail rider took me out. This was in a passworded > > league race. It is really sad. I was told later that the rail riderwas > > last years champion and that he was "just playing around"...N4 IS > > easy...unless you take the car to a road course. Maybe ovals are harder > for > > some, but I find them easy to master. Oh yeah, in the post racemeeting, > I > > was called a "nigger"...I am assuming because my last name is Black.You

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> of > > > > > racing the engineers want. Maybe in the next F1 game they will > options > > > to > > > > > turn off all the driving aids. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Kevin Anderson > > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> Why do you think 'some teams are using a form of ABS'? If you ever watched > >> a race you'd see brake lockups all the time. Which teams? 'Form of ABS'? > >> > >> Sounds like you're talking crap, Alan. > >> > >> -Nick > > > Well some teams were using launch control until they were found out. > > > So you're 100% sure there's no cheating going on now then?? > > > Cheers > > > Gerry > > Where did I say that?

Ok, you've answered, you're not 100% sure. > I'm simply pointing out that Alan is making accusations > based on no evidence or experience. Are you 100% sure Alan is talking crap? Cheers Gerry

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > This could be a reason why young drivers with next to no car racing > experience can step up to the plate and have instant success. I'll bet > it is because the cars are so easy to drive. Like, come on, young kids > with ONLY 20 car races under their belt jumps into F1 and has instant > success while their previous race car only had 200 or so horsepower and > then jumping into a 800+hp f1 car? Something is wrong. You're right - there's a lot wrong. The main skills for driving a modern F1 car are quick reflexes and stamina. That's why the young, fit guys do so well - the skills of someone like Stirling Moss, lay in other areas; courage, finesse, mastery of oversteer and the art of the 4-wheel drift. Now it's just a matter of timing braking to a fraction of a second and judging corner entry speeds precisely. Traction control and downforce do all the rest. - Michael

Neil Raine wrote: > I was under the impression that a lot of those driving aids had been > outlawed. > > As far as I know, power steering has never been allowed in F1, which is why > all the drivers have to be extremely fit - those cars generate more G-forces > than practically any other kind of car. Neil, power steering has indeed been allowed in Formula One for quite some time. It will be abolished beginning in 2002. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

Garraputo <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:98oukt$ldo$[email hidden]... > Since DGF mentions F1 has a worldwide talent pool, I've got question, has > there ever been a native African(s) to drive in F1? > Yep. He was a world champion as well. MS

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>One more point about "F1 drivers would be scared about 30-pack races to the >last lap", never forget that nascar and cart races are ARTIFICIALLY close, >you have yellow flags every 5 minutes (good for commercials on TV) and with >"restrictor plate" in nascar it is even closer than that, I don't say it is >good or bad, I am just pointing out that US racing is ARTIFICIALLY close for >television purposes...the show, always the show... >

I'm not going to flame you. I'm just going to tell you that you're wrong. Take this past week's race at Atlanta for example. 5 cars racing at the end of 500 miles for the win. When did that last happen in F1? And cautions every 5 minutes? There were more during the F1 race than at most Talldega and Daytona WC runs. Again, bias. - Alan

>Exactly how many foreign drivers are in nascar? You guys enjoy shooting >down his stats...which may be a little off, but you forget the context that >he was using it all in. NASCAR is an American form of motorsports, just like how our "football" is pretty much exclusive to the US (ignore the Canadians and NFL Europe, you know they don't care). - Alan

This is what I was asking for clarrification on earlier in my first post when you told me to read YOUR post. YOU quoted David on the talent pool of 6 billion and then you say you would like to know where the info is to backup his comment about a 6 billion person talent pool. My first post was just wondering what part of his statement you disagree with. I suggested that maybe you feel that the world does not have 6 billion people. In my second message, I tried to clarrify what I meant by suggesting you might feel David's statement about a 6 billion person talent pool is false because all 6 billion people don't have an opportunity to race...But yet you change the subject and offer that you didn't say anything about 6 billion people...which is obvious, BUT you quoted him on the 6 billion people and then said his data was false...so please explain why you feel his 6 billion person talent pool is incorrect. I am sorry I had to break it down so much for you. Hope you understand it. JB "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o43s6.24286$[email hidden]... > I can't believe it? hahahaha The quoted parts is by David F not me!! Jeeez > Duh.. hahahaha <g> He refers to "6billion folks" not me!!! Hey maybe we > can get Jackie Chan to race F1. He is apart of the 6 billion {give ortake}.

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> Whatcha think? hahahaha... Thom_j. > > "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ku_r6.11890$[email hidden]... > | ok here is the quote from your message: > | > | <startquote> > | > | Btw: I wonder where David F got the 'all-mighty' info that detailed

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> | called > | expert info with true backup on these comments! hahahahaha!! > | > | <endquote> > | > | You quote him twice, once on best drivers in world, the other on f1 > drivers > | coming from a talent pool of 6 billion people. But yet then you go to

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> | you want to know where David got this information, as if you are > questioning > | his statement. So you obviously feel that F1 drivers do not come from a > | world wide talent pool. Maybe you can clarify...I took a stab at it > | thinking maybe you feel there aren't 6 billion people in the world...or > | maybe you feel that only 1 billion have any remote chance of being > talented > | racing a car...or maybe you feel that only a few thousand have the

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> | along with the money and all they need is a little luck. You questioned > his > | statement and I took a stab at why...but yet you feel I need brain > pills... > | > | hey maybe you just forgot that you quoted him twice, and then I am > wondering > | why you are telling ME to re-read your post. > | > | Jesse Black > | > | > | > | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | news:meZr6.24035$[email hidden]... > | > Well I think you better re-read my reply post below! hahaha I said > nothing > | > about "how many" people were in the world! phew!! "I said: I'd love to > | hear > | > all the so called expert info with true backup on these comments!" > Meaning > | > His comments on: "best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers" > Soon > | > I believe I will be selling brain pills here.. hahahaha <vbg> > | > Cheers Thom_j. > | > Btw: Jessie I've put 1000s apon 1000s of online & off hrs in Gpl.. Not > to > | > even think about all the SBKs, DTRs and much more! You should know > | > this since I was in your GPL offline league that you tried to

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> | So > | > just keep Smilin' :o) > | > > | > "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | > news:uTWr6.11740$[email hidden]... > | > | Backup on the comments? Do you disagree with the population of the > | world? > | > | Maybe you want to call it 5 billion? How many Europeans and Asians > race > | > in > | > | Nascar? You must admit, the general talent pool for Nascar comes

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> | > point > | > | up...but foreigners that want to race in the US usually end up in > CART. > | I > | > | have nothing against the skills of Gordon or Stewart or any other > nascar > | > | driver, its just that the numbers are against them. And besides,

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> | many > | > | F1 drivers do you see smoking during the race? > | > | > | > | JB > | > | > | > | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | > | news:alTr6.22382$[email hidden]... > | > | > Is this guy ever going to let it go?? phew!!! Talk about beating a > | dead > | > | > horse! > | > | > David F we know you "opinons" about F1 so take a chill pill or

some > | > prozac > | > | > will ya? Jeeez... > | > | > Btw: I wonder where David F got the 'all-mighty' info thatdetailed > | > this? > | > | > "The > | > | > best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers" &!! "F1 drivers > | come > | > | from > | > | > a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people." I'd love to hearall > | the > | > so > | > | > called > | > | > expert info with true backup on these comments! hahahahaha!! Doyou

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> | > think > | > | > maybe Meir Shetreet will drive F1 next? huh? huh? OMG this is too > | funny! > | > | > Cheers Thom_j. > | > | > > | > | > | "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | > | > | news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > | > | > <snipped> > | > | > | > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. > | > | > | > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion > people. > | > | > <snipped again> > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > > | > > | > | > >

This, for those of you who can't read , is recs.auto.simulators. NOT the F1 or NASCAR groups where they go round in endless and pointless drivel about the respective (and miniscule) differences between each participants favourite driver. If you want to get into this crap TAKE IT TO THE APPROPRIATE NEWSGROUP!! Please restrict your drivel to the proper "GPL sucks" and "N4 AI blows " themes when posting in RAS This has been a public service announcement David "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o62s6.1097$[email hidden]... SNIP A WHOLE PILE OF OT CRAP>

You managed to lose me, that's for sure. Jan. ;-) =--- Wosco wrote... > This is what I was asking for clarrification on <snip>

After I posted I began to think I should have worded the question differently. I knew there had been drivers from South Africa didn't know about Rhodesia or Morocco learned something new ,anywho, I was more interested in their ethnicity. Are any of those drivers ,to put it less eloquently, black? J Sakari Salonen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:98p0ob$c2o$[email hidden]... > Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > "Garraputo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:98oukt$ldo$[email hidden]... > >> Since DGF mentions F1 has a worldwide talent pool, I've got question,has > >> there ever been a native African(s) to drive in F1? > > dave henrie > > > I'd be willing to guess that a South African or two has raced F1.. > > www.forix.com lists (click "countries" in the "drivers" section in themain > page) 2 Moroccan, 4 Rhodesian and 19 South African drivers. One of theSouth

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> Africans, of course, is a world champion. > > -- > J. Sakari Salonen / [email hidden] > > > "Garraputo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:98oukt$ldo$[email hidden]... > >> Since DGF mentions F1 has a worldwide talent pool, I've got question,

has > >> there ever been a native African(s) to drive in F1? > > dave henrie > >

I haven't forgotten anything. All I did was point out the fallacy of using bogus stats such as "talent pool of 6 billion". There's no such thing. BD On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 03:45:41 GMT, "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Exactly how many foreign drivers are in nascar? You guys enjoy shooting >down his stats...which may be a little off, but you forget the context that >he was using it all in. > >JB > >"Bob Davidson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:52:26 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> >> wrote: >> >> >The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans >> >don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). >> > >> >F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. >> >> Are you including the Chinese in that figure? Exactly how many Chinese >> F1 drivers are there? :) >> >> BD >

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> >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... >> The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans >> don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). >> >> F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > >Bullshit. If that were the case then we'd see the field dominated by Asian >and Indian drivers, with at least a few blacks as well. The talent pool is >NOT drawn from the entire planet, since the specialized and developed >driving skills and vehicles necessary are not present in most parts of the >world.

Exactly!! Hey, guess I'll just go and have a kickabout with some of my mates down the park. Who knows, I might even be good at it? Then, how about taking a car out for a spin around some track somewhere. Oh shit! I can't! And neither can anyone else that I know of. And it was never on my school curriculum either. Bring that 'world wide' talent pool of 6 billion down to probably less than 100,000 and you would be a lot closer, I reckon. -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

"Garraputo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:98rf5h$ujt$[email hidden]... > After I posted I began to think I should have worded the question > differently. I knew there had been drivers from South Africa didn't know > about Rhodesia or Morocco learned something new ,anywho, I was more > interested in their ethnicity. Are any of those drivers ,to put it less > eloquently, black? uhmmm I have an absolutely GASTLY reply...I won't share it tho.... it does answer your question and it does concern Nikki Lauda but would be in SUCH POOR TASTE that even I am shocked I thought of it.... dave henrie

And you, sir, summed it up about as well as it can be. "Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:98pikc$fqd$[email hidden]...

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> > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... > > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR fans > > don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit it). > > > > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. > > Bullshit. If that were the case then we'd see the field dominated by

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> NOT drawn from the entire planet, since the specialized and developed > driving skills and vehicles necessary are not present in most parts of the > world. Just as NASCAR drivers are largely southern with some drivers from > other areas of the US, F1 is mainly a European endeavor with some Latin > Americans represented (many of whom have European backgrounds themselves). > >

"O" Jesse.. "O" Jesse, "then said his data was false" may I ask where did I say this? "data was false" huh? huh? I never used the word **false** or anything close! <VBG> Btw: for all the hypertense NGers I've got a great deal on prozac fer ya'all I just love these "nebulas" threads.. hahahaha :o)~ Cheers Thom_j. "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:v4as6.12004$[email hidden]... <snipped> |BUT you quoted him on the 6 billion people and then said his data wasfalse... <snipped again> | JB | | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:o43s6.24286$[email hidden]... | > I can't believe it? hahahaha The quoted parts is by David F not me!!Jeeez

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| > Duh.. hahahaha <g> He refers to "6billion folks" not me!!! Hey maybe we | > can get Jackie Chan to race F1. He is apart of the 6 billion {give or | take}. | > Whatcha think? hahahaha... Thom_j. | > | > "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > news:Ku_r6.11890$[email hidden]... | > | ok here is the quote from your message: | > | | > | <startquote> | > | | > | Btw: I wonder where David F got the 'all-mighty' info that detailed | this? | > | "The | > | best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers" &!! "F1 drivers

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| so | > | called | > | expert info with true backup on these comments! hahahahaha!! | > | | > | <endquote> | > | | > | You quote him twice, once on best drivers in world, the other on f1 | > drivers | > | coming from a talent pool of 6 billion people. But yet then you go to | say | > | you want to know where David got this information, as if you are | > questioning | > | his statement. So you obviously feel that F1 drivers do not come from

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| > to | > | > even think about all the SBKs, DTRs and much more! You should know | > | > this since I was in your GPL offline league that you tried to | startup!!! | > | So | > | > just keep Smilin' :o) | > | > | > | > "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > | > news:uTWr6.11740$[email hidden]... | > | > | Backup on the comments? Do you disagree with the population of

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| > race | > | > in | > | > | Nascar? You must admit, the general talent pool for Nascar comes | from | > | the | > | > | US...yet there isn't an American driving in F1...and don't kid | > yourself | > | > and | > | > | say that we aren't trying to get into F1...I hate to bring this | other | > | > point | > | > | up...but foreigners that want to race in the US usually end up in | > CART. | > | I | > | > | have nothing against the skills of Gordon or Stewart or any other | > nascar | > | > | driver, its just that the numbers are against them. And besides, | how | > | many | > | > | F1 drivers do you see smoking during the race? | > | > | | > | > | JB | > | > | | > | > | "Thom j." <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > | > | news:alTr6.22382$[email hidden]... | > | > | > Is this guy ever going to let it go?? phew!!! Talk about beating

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| > | dead | > | > | > horse! | > | > | > David F we know you "opinons" about F1 so take a chill pill or | some | > | > prozac | > | > | > will ya? Jeeez... | > | > | > Btw: I wonder where David F got the 'all-mighty' info that | detailed | > | > this? | > | > | > "The | > | > | > best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers" &!! "F1

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| > | funny! | > | > | > Cheers Thom_j. | > | > | > | > | > | > | "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | > | > | > | news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... | > | > | > <snipped> | > | > | > | > The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. | > | > | > | > F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion | > people. | > | > | > <snipped again> | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | | > | > | |

Ain't it "neat" Jan? hahahahaha Thom_j. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| You managed to lose me, that's for sure. | | Jan. ;-) | =--- | Wosco wrote... | > This is what I was asking for clarrification on <snip> | |

Ain't it "neat" Jan? hahahahaha Thom_j.

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| You managed to lose me, that's for sure. | | Jan. ;-) | =--- | > This is what I was asking for clarrification on <snip> | |

"O" Come'on Dave share it with us!! Pleazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzze <G> Thom_j. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cds6.575738$[email hidden]... <snipped> | uhmmm I have an absolutely GASTLY reply...I won't share it tho.... | it does answer your question and it does concern Nikki Lauda but would bein | SUCH POOR TASTE that even I am shocked I thought of it.... | dave henrie

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> > I was under the impression that a lot of those driving aids had been > outlawed. > > As far as I know, power steering has never been allowed in F1, which is why > all the drivers have to be extremely fit - those cars generate more G-forces > than practically any other kind of car. > > F1 is extremely technically advanced, and I'd agree that the engineers (and > all the rest of the team) deserve a big slice of the credit when theirs cars > win, but that isn't to belittle the drivers - they are at the top of their > profession. > > The young guys coming in are extremely good because they are the pick of the > crop. > > Maybe the reason they can get straight in the car and go fast is that a lot > of them practice with computer games - Juan Montoya at least is a GPL fan!

Here is a good article, read it. I believe, Frentzen. He doesn't seem to be the type to complain or make a fuss, he hasn't in the past. You decide, do you think there is cheating going on? So, if teams can easily put in traction control then there is a very good possibility they have other driving aids on as well, such as ABS. http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/01formula1/010312a.html "This is very typical for Formula One in particular. And now I give you an unconditional statement, in the past 18 races, I had plenty of opportunity to trail behind Ferrari cars or machinery powered by Ferrari engines. And one thing was particularly remarkable, out of tight corners, these cars had a pretty stunning acceleration, combined with a misfiring engine." The young drivers are not the "pick of the crop" they will just race for less money then say guys from CART or other top notch series. GPL may be a good driving sim but you couldn't use it as a training tool to get into modern day f1. Forget about GP3. ;) -- Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) http://www.barc-oc.com http://www.casc.on.ca

"Alan Orton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Neil Raine wrote: > > > > I was under the impression that a lot of those driving aids had been > > outlawed. > > > > As far as I know, power steering has never been allowed in F1, which iswhy > > all the drivers have to be extremely fit - those cars generate moreG-forces > > than practically any other kind of car. > > > > F1 is extremely technically advanced, and I'd agree that the engineers(and > > all the rest of the team) deserve a big slice of the credit when theirscars > > win, but that isn't to belittle the drivers - they are at the top oftheir > > profession. > > > > The young guys coming in are extremely good because they are the pick ofthe > > crop. > > > > Maybe the reason they can get straight in the car and go fast is that alot > > of them practice with computer games - Juan Montoya at least is a GPLfan!

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> > > > > Here is a good article, read it. I believe, Frentzen. He doesn't seem to > be the type to complain or make a fuss, he hasn't in the past. > > You decide, do you think there is cheating going on? > > So, if teams can easily put in traction control then there is a very > good possibility they have other driving aids on as well, such as ABS. > > > http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/01formula1/010312a.html > > > "This is very typical for Formula One in particular. And now I give you > an unconditional statement, in the past 18 races, I had plenty of > opportunity to trail behind Ferrari cars or machinery powered by Ferrari > engines. And one thing was particularly remarkable, out of tight > corners, these cars had a pretty stunning acceleration, combined with a > misfiring engine."

I had considered posting that same quote earlier but decided against it. Maybe some teams have managed to sneak some form of ABS into their cars, but time and time again I've seen cars locking up and smoking their tires while going into corners. These drivers, at least, don't have the benefit of ABS unless this is part of some clever conspiracy. :-/

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> > So, if teams can easily put in traction control then there is a very > > good possibility they have other driving aids on as well, such as ABS. > > > > > > http://www.speedvision.com/pub/articles/racing/01formula1/010312a.html > > > > > > "This is very typical for Formula One in particular. And now I give you > > an unconditional statement, in the past 18 races, I had plenty of > > opportunity to trail behind Ferrari cars or machinery powered by Ferrari > > engines. And one thing was particularly remarkable, out of tight > > corners, these cars had a pretty stunning acceleration, combined with a > > misfiring engine." > > I had considered posting that same quote earlier but decided against it. > Maybe some teams have managed to sneak some form of ABS into their cars,

but > time and time again I've seen cars locking up and smoking their tireswhile > going into corners. These drivers, at least, don't have the benefit ofABS > unless this is part of some clever conspiracy. :-/ And yes, I realize that Frentzen was not speaking of ABS. I was responding to the claim that ABS is around. Possible? Sure. Likely? Not from what I see on the track.

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> >"Garraputo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:98rf5h$ujt$[email hidden]... >> After I posted I began to think I should have worded the question >> differently. I knew there had been drivers from South Africa didn't know >> about Rhodesia or Morocco learned something new ,anywho, I was more >> interested in their ethnicity. Are any of those drivers ,to put it less >> eloquently, black? > uhmmm I have an absolutely GASTLY reply...I won't share it tho.... >it does answer your question and it does concern Nikki Lauda but would be in >SUCH POOR TASTE that even I am shocked I thought of it.... >dave henrie

You're right, that reply would have been way too sick to mention here :) Andre

> > I had considered posting that same quote earlier but decided against it. > > Maybe some teams have managed to sneak some form of ABS into their cars, > but > > time and time again I've seen cars locking up and smoking their tires > while going into corners. These drivers, at least, don't have the benefitof > ABS unless this is part of some clever conspiracy. :-/ It would be used similar to how they snuck launch control in....at the roll off for the warmup lap..you'd see the front runners light up their tires will clouds of smoke... obviously no traction control right? The when the race proper starts...zoooooom off they go without even a wisp of smoking tire..... ABS brakes....turn it off at a place or two to impress the marshalls that you are locking them up...then compose yourself and drive smoother the rest of the races.<wink wink, nudge nudge> dave henrie

In article <[email hidden]>, Alan Orton <[email hidden]> writes: >The young drivers are not the "pick of the crop" they will just race for >less money then say guys from CART or other top notch series. GPL may be >a good driving sim but you couldn't use it as a training tool to get >into modern day f1. Forget about GP3. ;) Hell, I'd drive an F1 car for FREE...! :) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Me too!! -I'll even beach it in some sandtrap for 'm. ;-) Jan. =--- EldredP wrote...

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> <snip>> > Hell, I'd drive an F1 car for FREE...! :) > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, > then beats you with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a3ps6.578473$[email hidden]... > > > I had considered posting that same quote earlier but decided againstit. > > > Maybe some teams have managed to sneak some form of ABS into theircars, > > but > > > time and time again I've seen cars locking up and smoking their tires > > while going into corners. These drivers, at least, don't have thebenefit > of > > ABS unless this is part of some clever conspiracy. :-/ > It would be used similar to how they snuck launch control in....at the > roll off for > the warmup lap..you'd see the front runners light up their tires willclouds > of smoke... > obviously no traction control right? The when the race proper > starts...zoooooom off they > go without even a wisp of smoking tire..... > ABS brakes....turn it off at a place or two to impress the marshallsthat > you are > locking them up...then compose yourself and drive smoother the rest of the > races.<wink wink, nudge nudge> Hehe... good point. I wouldn't put anything past them. :-)

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> > Me too!! -I'll even beach it in some sandtrap for 'm. ;-) > > Jan. > =--- > EldredP wrote... > > <snip>> > > Hell, I'd drive an F1 car for FREE...! :) > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, > > then beats you with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Save up $200,000+ and run a Formula Ford for a season with good results then hire a PR person and a agent to give a F1 team a call and tell them you are a funded driver, You never know. ;) -- Solo1 C-Modified (CASC-OR/BARC) http://www.barc-oc.com http://www.casc.on.ca

In article <n0Xr6.5447$[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> writes: >Your stereotyping all of us N4 drivers by the actions of 1 or 2? Do you >think that's right?First impressions die hard... >Get in a decent league with a good group of drivers, run nose to tail and >side by side for about 150 laps, then come back and tell us how easy it is. >One thing I love about racing Nascar - no matter how good you think you >might be, there'll always be better.Hell, I'm nervous enough just running side by side in GPL...<G> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Jeff Vincent) writes: >David, > > You aren't related to Dale Carnegie, are you? :) No - he's not making ANY friends...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > > It would be used similar to how they snuck launch control in....at the > roll off for > the warmup lap..you'd see the front runners light up their tires will clouds > of smoke... > obviously no traction control right? The when the race proper > starts...zoooooom off they > go without even a wisp of smoking tire.....

The reason that happens is because they intentionally try to create a ton of wheelspin at the start of the parade lap so that they will lay down rubber at their starting box, giving them more grip for the real start. Then during the actual start, they are much more conservative in their application of throttle, which is, of course, a faster way to start. Also, lighting up tires during the practice start heats them up for the race. > ABS brakes....turn it off at a place or two to impress the marshalls that > you are > locking them up...then compose yourself and drive smoother the rest of the > races.<wink wink, nudge nudge> You don't really believe that, do you? You OFTEN see them locking up when they are outbraking each other during a pass. If they had the option to hit a switch and get ABS, they would surely use it in those situations. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

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>> EldredP wrote... >> > <snip>> >> > Hell, I'd drive an F1 car for FREE...! :) >> > >> > Eldred >> > -- >> > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 >> > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >> > F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... >> > >> > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, >> > then beats you with experience... >> > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >Save up $200,000+ and run a Formula Ford for a season with good results >then hire a PR person and a agent to give a F1 team a call and tell them >you are a funded driver, You never know. ;)

By the time I could save THAT kind of money, I'd be too *old* to race... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> You don't really believe that, do you? You OFTEN see them locking up whenthey > are outbraking each other during a pass. If they had the option to hit a > switch and get ABS, they would surely use it in those situations. > > Dave Ewing when you have Schumacher peeing away ten pounds of body weight I can beleive ANY thing. Yes they do lay down rubber but it was referred to several times last year they weren't SUPPOSED to smoke the tires at the warm up lap...yet many of the drivers kept doing it... dave henrie

Ummm...maybe race drivers are revheads and enjoy smoking up the tyres? (I would!) Ben Dave Henrie wrote in message <4WAt6.595139$[email hidden]>... >> You don't really believe that, do you? You OFTEN see them locking upwhen

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>they >> are outbraking each other during a pass. If they had the option to hit a >> switch and get ABS, they would surely use it in those situations. >> >> Dave Ewing > when you have Schumacher peeing away ten pounds of body weight I can >beleive ANY >thing. Yes they do lay down rubber but it was referred to several times >last year they weren't SUPPOSED to smoke the tires at the warm up lap...yet >many of the drivers kept >doing it... >dave henrie > >

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>In article <98pikc$fqd$[email hidden]>, Gault ><[email hidden]> writes >> >>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >>news:uKRr6.22256$[email hidden]... >>> The best race car drivers in the world are F1 drivers. Only NASCAR >>> fans don't believe that (actually they do, they just refuse to admit >>> it). >>> >>> F1 drivers come from a world wide talent pool of 6 billion people. >> >>Bullshit. If that were the case then we'd see the field dominated by >>Asian and Indian drivers, with at least a few blacks as well. The >>talent pool is NOT drawn from the entire planet, since the specialized >>and developed driving skills and vehicles necessary are not present in >>most parts of the world. > >Exactly!! Hey, guess I'll just go and have a kickabout with some of my >mates down the park. Who knows, I might even be good at it? Then, how >about taking a car out for a spin around some track somewhere. Oh shit! >I can't! And neither can anyone else that I know of. And it was never >on my school curriculum either. Bring that 'world wide' talent pool of >6 billion down to probably less than 100,000 and you would be a lot >closer, I reckon. >

Exactly, I haven't known a single person in my life who ever tried any type of car racing at any level. The talent pool of sim racers might be larger for all I know.