ASUS K7V133 Motherboard
AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor
512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks)
Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB
Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box
Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied)
3DMark2001 Score = 3201
Yummy :)
-Larry
Sharing 3DMark2001 benchmark scores
Posters shared 3DMark2001 scores from their systems, with GeForce2 GTS and Ultra rigs scoring around 3,000 to 4,400 and Voodoo5 systems scoring much lower. Discussion covered the DirectX 8 focus of the benchmark, RAM usage, overclocking and budget upgrade advice.
hardware: PC/graphics
Automated summary.
What can one expect for the same system with a V5 video card? I guess the
test is for D3D only.
I have read that the test scores are interesting and may help to see if your
system is operating OK, but in real game play there could be big
differences.
Does it help to have all that RAM (512MB)? I thought I had a lot with 384MB.
Lutrell
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > Yummy :) > > -Larry > >I have no idea how a Voodoo will come out. Haven't used one for a long
time...
I'm not sure if 512MB makes much difference or not. Frankly, it was cheap
so I bought it :)
I have no doubts that almost everyone can bet by with 256MB.
-Larry
"Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> What can one expect for the same system with a V5 video card? I guess the
> test is for D3D only.
> I have read that the test scores are interesting and may help to see ifyour
> system is operating OK, but in real game play there could be big
> differences.
> Does it help to have all that RAM (512MB)? I thought I had a lot with384MB.
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> Lutrell > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > > > Yummy :) > > > > -Larry > > > > > >AMD Athlon T-Bird 1 GHz over clocked to 1250 GHz
NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS/Pro
256 megs PC150 memory
3dMark2001=3129 almost got ya!!!
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> ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > Yummy :) > > -Larry > >
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I remember when I got 64MB when most systems had at the most 32, and I was
told that it was too much at the time, but it was soon not enough. ; )
Lutrell
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> I have no idea how a Voodoo will come out. Haven't used one for a long > time... > > I'm not sure if 512MB makes much difference or not. Frankly, it was cheap > so I bought it :) > > I have no doubts that almost everyone can bet by with 256MB. >3567 (default) now :) with serious tweaks
P3 @ 1177 Mhz
256 MB PC133 (157 Mhz actually)
RADEON 64 DDR @ 220/210 Mhz
Larry wrote:
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> ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > Yummy :) > > -LarryP3-1g overclocked to 1125Mhz
256MB Compaq memory
ASUS GeForce2 GTS 32MB
SBLive
Win98SE w/ necessary patches
SCORE - 3199
Not too bad for having a little less MHz, RAM and video memory eh?
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3DMARK2001 PROJECT FILE
PROJECT
Description P3-1g OC to 1125MHz
3DMark Version 2001
DISPLAY
Platform ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v5.33a
CPU Optimization D3D Hardware T&L
Width 1024
Height 768
Depth 16 bit
Z-Buffering 16 bit
Texture Format Compressed
Buffering Double
Refresh Rate Default
FSAA Mode None
RESULTS
3DMark Score 3199
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 56.8 fps
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 21.5 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 48.6 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 15.2 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 72.2 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 34.5 fps
Game 4 - Nature Not supported by hardware
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 507.2 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 795.9 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light) 11.5 MTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 3.0 MTriangles/s
Environment Bump Mapping Not supported by hardware
DOT3 Bump Mapping 56.6 fps
Vertex Shader 30.8 fps
Pixel Shader Not supported by hardware
Point Sprites 1.7 MSprites/s
SYSTEM INFO
System Info Version 2.0
Installation ID 0x00000000
OEM ID
CPU INFO
CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS
Manufacturer Intel
Family Pentium� III
Internal Clock 1.10GHz
Internal Clock Maximum 1.10GHz
External Clock 150MHz
Socket Designation PGA 370
Type unknown
Upgrade LIF Socket
Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, SSE
Version Intel Pentium III Processor
CPUID 0x00000686
CACHES
Level 1
Capacity 32KB
Type Data, Internal
Type Details Synchronous, Pipeline Burst
Error Correction Type unknown
Associativity 4-way Set-Associative
Level 2
Capacity 256KB
Type Data, Internal
Type Details Synchronous, Pipeline Burst
Error Correction Type unknown
Associativity 4-way Set-Associative
DIRECTX INFO
DirectX Version 8.0
DIRECTDRAW INFO
DirectDraw Version 4.08.00.0400
DISPLAY DEVICES
Description Primary Display Driver
Manufacturer (Standard display types)
Name ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v5.33a
Total Local Video Memory 32MB
Total Local Texture Memory 32MB
Total AGP Memory 24MB
Display Driver anvdsp.drv
Display Driver Version 4.12.01.0533
Max Texture Width 2048
Max Texture Height 2048
Max User Clipping Planes 0
Max Active Hardware Lights 8
Max Texture Blending Stages 8
Textures In Single Pass 2
Vertex Shader Version N/A
Pixel Shader Version N/A
Max Vertex Blend Matrices 0
Max Texture Coordinates 8
Device ID 0x0150
Vendor ID 0x10de
Sub-System ID 0x40161043
Revision 0x00a3
MEMORY INFO
Total Physical Memory 256MB
Free Physical Memory 125.20MB
Total Pagefile Memory 1.75GB
Free Pagefile Memory 1.70GB
MEMORY ARRAYS
Max Module Capacity 512MB
Location System Board
Use System
Supported Error D&C None
Supported Speeds unknown
Supported Types unknown
Supported Voltages unknown
MEMORY SLOTS
Installed & Enabled Size 128MB
Form Factor DIMM
Frequency 0Hz
Slot DIMM 1
Manufacturer
Type DRAM
Type Details Synchronous
Enabled Size 128MB
Total Bit Width 72
Data Bit Width 64
Installed & Enabled Size 128MB
Form Factor DIMM
Frequency 0Hz
Slot DIMM 2
Manufacturer
Type DRAM
Type Details Synchronous
Enabled Size 128MB
Total Bit Width 72
Data Bit Width 64
MOTHERBOARD INFO
Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC.
Model CUSL2-C
Version REV 1.xx
BIOS Vendor Award Software, Inc.
BIOS Version ASUS CUSL2-C ACPI BIOS Revision 1006.A
BIOS Release Date 02/27/2001
BIOS Charasteristics Plug and Play, Flash, AGP
CARD SLOTS
Number 0
Designation PCI 1
Type PCI
Characteristics PME Signal
Data Bus Width 32
Details In Use, Long
Device Class Network Adapter
Device Description NETGEAR FA310TX Fast Ethernet PCI Adapter
Device Revision 0x00000020
Device Manufacturer NETGEAR
Device Driver Date 4- 1-1999
Number 0
Designation PCI 2
Type PCI
Characteristics PME Signal
Data Bus Width 32
Details In Use, Long
Device Class Sound, Video or Game Controller
Device Description Creative SB Live! Value
Device Revision 0x00000004
Device Manufacturer Creative
Device Driver Date 8-26-1999
Number 0
Designation PCI 3
Type PCI
Characteristics PME Signal
Data Bus Width 32
Details In Use, Long
Device Class unknown
Device Description Creative MultiMedia Interface
Device Revision 0x00000001
Device Manufacturer Creative
Device Driver Date 10- 5-1999
OPERATING SYSTEM INFO
Operating System Microsoft Windows 98
Version 4.10.2222 A
Desktop Width 1024
Desktop Height 768
Desktop BPP 16
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Tim McArthur
Proud Member of Mach 1 Motorsports Virtual Racing Team
Sponsored by: Fast Time Signs | SimHQ.com | TheUSpits.com | RaceBase | OTR
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> ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > Yummy :) > > -Larry > >Anyone test a fast system with 3dfx V5?
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> P3-1g overclocked to 1125Mhz > 256MB Compaq memory > ASUS GeForce2 GTS 32MB > SBLive > Win98SE w/ necessary patches > > SCORE - 3199 > > Not too bad for having a little less MHz, RAM and video memory eh? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 3DMARK2001 PROJECT FILE > > PROJECT > Description P3-1g OC to 1125MHz > 3DMark Version 2001 > > DISPLAY > Platform ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v5.33a > CPU Optimization D3D Hardware T&L > Width 1024 > Height 768 > Depth 16 bit > Z-Buffering 16 bit > Texture Format Compressed > Buffering Double > Refresh Rate Default > FSAA Mode None > > RESULTS > 3DMark Score 3199 > Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 56.8 fps > Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 21.5 fps > Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 48.6 fps > Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 15.2 fps > Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 72.2 fps > Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 34.5 fps > Game 4 - Nature Not supported by hardware > Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 507.2 MTexels/s > Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 795.9 MTexels/s > High Polygon Count (1 Light) 11.5 MTriangles/s > High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 3.0 MTriangles/s > Environment Bump Mapping Not supported by hardware > DOT3 Bump Mapping 56.6 fps > Vertex Shader 30.8 fps > Pixel Shader Not supported by hardware > Point Sprites 1.7 MSprites/s > > SYSTEM INFO > > System Info Version 2.0 > Installation ID 0x00000000 > OEM ID > > CPU INFO > CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS > Manufacturer Intel > Family Pentium� III > Internal Clock 1.10GHz > Internal Clock Maximum 1.10GHz > External Clock 150MHz > Socket Designation PGA 370 > Type unknown > Upgrade LIF Socket > Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, SSE > Version Intel Pentium III Processor > CPUID 0x00000686 > > CACHES > Level 1 > Capacity 32KB > Type Data, Internal > Type Details Synchronous, Pipeline Burst > Error Correction Type unknown > Associativity 4-way Set-Associative > > Level 2 > Capacity 256KB > Type Data, Internal > Type Details Synchronous, Pipeline Burst > Error Correction Type unknown > Associativity 4-way Set-Associative > > DIRECTX INFO > DirectX Version 8.0 > > DIRECTDRAW INFO > DirectDraw Version 4.08.00.0400 > > DISPLAY DEVICES > Description Primary Display Driver > Manufacturer (Standard display types) > Name ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v5.33a > Total Local Video Memory 32MB > Total Local Texture Memory 32MB > Total AGP Memory 24MB > Display Driver anvdsp.drv > Display Driver Version 4.12.01.0533 > Max Texture Width 2048 > Max Texture Height 2048 > Max User Clipping Planes 0 > Max Active Hardware Lights 8 > Max Texture Blending Stages 8 > Textures In Single Pass 2 > Vertex Shader Version N/A > Pixel Shader Version N/A > Max Vertex Blend Matrices 0 > Max Texture Coordinates 8 > Device ID 0x0150 > Vendor ID 0x10de > Sub-System ID 0x40161043 > Revision 0x00a3 > > MEMORY INFO > Total Physical Memory 256MB > Free Physical Memory 125.20MB > Total Pagefile Memory 1.75GB > Free Pagefile Memory 1.70GB > > MEMORY ARRAYS > Max Module Capacity 512MB > Location System Board > Use System > Supported Error D&C None > Supported Speeds unknown > Supported Types unknown > Supported Voltages unknown > > MEMORY SLOTS > Installed & Enabled Size 128MB > Form Factor DIMM > Frequency 0Hz > Slot DIMM 1 > Manufacturer > Type DRAM > Type Details Synchronous > Enabled Size 128MB > Total Bit Width 72 > Data Bit Width 64 > > Installed & Enabled Size 128MB > Form Factor DIMM > Frequency 0Hz > Slot DIMM 2 > Manufacturer > Type DRAM > Type Details Synchronous > Enabled Size 128MB > Total Bit Width 72 > Data Bit Width 64 > > MOTHERBOARD INFO > Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC. > Model CUSL2-C > Version REV 1.xx > BIOS Vendor Award Software, Inc. > BIOS Version ASUS CUSL2-C ACPI BIOS Revision 1006.A > BIOS Release Date 02/27/2001 > BIOS Charasteristics Plug and Play, Flash, AGP > > CARD SLOTS > Number 0 > Designation PCI 1 > Type PCI > Characteristics PME Signal > Data Bus Width 32 > Details In Use, Long > Device Class Network Adapter > Device Description NETGEAR FA310TX Fast Ethernet PCI Adapter > Device Revision 0x00000020 > Device Manufacturer NETGEAR > Device Driver Date 4- 1-1999 > > Number 0 > Designation PCI 2 > Type PCI > Characteristics PME Signal > Data Bus Width 32 > Details In Use, Long > Device Class Sound, Video or Game Controller > Device Description Creative SB Live! Value > Device Revision 0x00000004 > Device Manufacturer Creative > Device Driver Date 8-26-1999 > > Number 0 > Designation PCI 3 > Type PCI > Characteristics PME Signal > Data Bus Width 32 > Details In Use, Long > Device Class unknown > Device Description Creative MultiMedia Interface > Device Revision 0x00000001 > Device Manufacturer Creative > Device Driver Date 10- 5-1999 > > OPERATING SYSTEM INFO > Operating System Microsoft Windows 98 > Version 4.10.2222 A > Desktop Width 1024 > Desktop Height 768 > Desktop BPP 16 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Tim McArthur > Proud Member of Mach 1 Motorsports Virtual Racing Team > Sponsored by: Fast Time Signs | SimHQ.com | TheUSpits.com | RaceBase | OTR > Promotions > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > > > Yummy :) > > > > -Larry > > > > > >Here are some tests with 3DMark 2001 from AnandTech
http://www.hardwaremania.com/reviews_eng/3dmark2001/3dmark2.shtml
He says that it is mainly designed to test hardware that supports features
of DX8 like the GeForce 3.
Lutrell
P3 1ghz (not OC'd)
128mg PC133 ram
V5 5500 AGP (not OC'd)
1024x768 w/16 bit all (no AA)
Score: 1671
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> Anyone test a fast system with 3dfx V5? > > > "Tim McArthur" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zBUs6.48124$[email hidden]... > > P3-1g overclocked to 1125Mhz > > 256MB Compaq memory > > ASUS GeForce2 GTS 32MB > > SBLive > > Win98SE w/ necessary patches > > > > SCORE - 3199 > > > > Not too bad for having a little less MHz, RAM and video memory eh? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > 3DMARK2001 PROJECT FILE > > > > PROJECT > > Description P3-1g OC to 1125MHz > > 3DMark Version 2001 > > > > DISPLAY > > Platform ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v5.33a > > CPU Optimization D3D Hardware T&L > > Width 1024 > > Height 768 > > Depth 16 bit > > Z-Buffering 16 bit > > Texture Format Compressed > > Buffering Double > > Refresh Rate Default > > FSAA Mode None > > > > RESULTS > > 3DMark Score 3199 > > Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 56.8 fps > > Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 21.5 fps > > Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 48.6 fps > > Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 15.2 fps > > Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 72.2 fps > > Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 34.5 fps > > Game 4 - Nature Not supported by hardware > > Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 507.2 MTexels/s > > Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 795.9 MTexels/s > > High Polygon Count (1 Light) 11.5 MTriangles/s > > High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 3.0 MTriangles/s > > Environment Bump Mapping Not supported by hardware > > DOT3 Bump Mapping 56.6 fps > > Vertex Shader 30.8 fps > > Pixel Shader Not supported by hardware > > Point Sprites 1.7 MSprites/s > > > > SYSTEM INFO > > > > System Info Version 2.0 > > Installation ID 0x00000000 > > OEM ID > > > > CPU INFO > > CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS > > Manufacturer Intel > > Family Pentium� III > > Internal Clock 1.10GHz > > Internal Clock Maximum 1.10GHz > > External Clock 150MHz > > Socket Designation PGA 370 > > Type unknown > > Upgrade LIF Socket > > Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, SSE > > Version Intel Pentium III Processor > > CPUID 0x00000686 > > > > CACHES > > Level 1 > > Capacity 32KB > > Type Data, Internal > > Type Details Synchronous, Pipeline Burst > > Error Correction Type unknown > > Associativity 4-way Set-Associative > > > > Level 2 > > Capacity 256KB > > Type Data, Internal > > Type Details Synchronous, Pipeline Burst > > Error Correction Type unknown > > Associativity 4-way Set-Associative > > > > DIRECTX INFO > > DirectX Version 8.0 > > > > DIRECTDRAW INFO > > DirectDraw Version 4.08.00.0400 > > > > DISPLAY DEVICES > > Description Primary Display Driver > > Manufacturer (Standard display types) > > Name ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v5.33a > > Total Local Video Memory 32MB > > Total Local Texture Memory 32MB > > Total AGP Memory 24MB > > Display Driver anvdsp.drv > > Display Driver Version 4.12.01.0533 > > Max Texture Width 2048 > > Max Texture Height 2048 > > Max User Clipping Planes 0 > > Max Active Hardware Lights 8 > > Max Texture Blending Stages 8 > > Textures In Single Pass 2 > > Vertex Shader Version N/A > > Pixel Shader Version N/A > > Max Vertex Blend Matrices 0 > > Max Texture Coordinates 8 > > Device ID 0x0150 > > Vendor ID 0x10de > > Sub-System ID 0x40161043 > > Revision 0x00a3 > > > > MEMORY INFO > > Total Physical Memory 256MB > > Free Physical Memory 125.20MB > > Total Pagefile Memory 1.75GB > > Free Pagefile Memory 1.70GB > > > > MEMORY ARRAYS > > Max Module Capacity 512MB > > Location System Board > > Use System > > Supported Error D&C None > > Supported Speeds unknown > > Supported Types unknown > > Supported Voltages unknown > > > > MEMORY SLOTS > > Installed & Enabled Size 128MB > > Form Factor DIMM > > Frequency 0Hz > > Slot DIMM 1 > > Manufacturer > > Type DRAM > > Type Details Synchronous > > Enabled Size 128MB > > Total Bit Width 72 > > Data Bit Width 64 > > > > Installed & Enabled Size 128MB > > Form Factor DIMM > > Frequency 0Hz > > Slot DIMM 2 > > Manufacturer > > Type DRAM > > Type Details Synchronous > > Enabled Size 128MB > > Total Bit Width 72 > > Data Bit Width 64 > > > > MOTHERBOARD INFO > > Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC. > > Model CUSL2-C > > Version REV 1.xx > > BIOS Vendor Award Software, Inc. > > BIOS Version ASUS CUSL2-C ACPI BIOS Revision 1006.A > > BIOS Release Date 02/27/2001 > > BIOS Charasteristics Plug and Play, Flash, AGP > > > > CARD SLOTS > > Number 0 > > Designation PCI 1 > > Type PCI > > Characteristics PME Signal > > Data Bus Width 32 > > Details In Use, Long > > Device Class Network Adapter > > Device Description NETGEAR FA310TX Fast Ethernet PCI Adapter > > Device Revision 0x00000020 > > Device Manufacturer NETGEAR > > Device Driver Date 4- 1-1999 > > > > Number 0 > > Designation PCI 2 > > Type PCI > > Characteristics PME Signal > > Data Bus Width 32 > > Details In Use, Long > > Device Class Sound, Video or Game Controller > > Device Description Creative SB Live! Value > > Device Revision 0x00000004 > > Device Manufacturer Creative > > Device Driver Date 8-26-1999 > > > > Number 0 > > Designation PCI 3 > > Type PCI > > Characteristics PME Signal > > Data Bus Width 32 > > Details In Use, Long > > Device Class unknown > > Device Description Creative MultiMedia Interface > > Device Revision 0x00000001 > > Device Manufacturer Creative > > Device Driver Date 10- 5-1999 > > > > OPERATING SYSTEM INFO > > Operating System Microsoft Windows 98 > > Version 4.10.2222 A > > Desktop Width 1024 > > Desktop Height 768 > > Desktop BPP 16 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Tim McArthur > > Proud Member of Mach 1 Motorsports Virtual Racing Team > > Sponsored by: Fast Time Signs | SimHQ.com | TheUSpits.com | RaceBase |Quoted text (23 lines)
> > Promotions > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... > > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > > > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > > > > > Yummy :) > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > >Doh!. I just finally downloaded and tried 3DMark 2001 (40MB) also with V5
AGP and got a score of 1961. It looks like V5 does not work well with this
test.
Strange that there is little difference with 16 or 32 bit and resolution as
low as 640x480.
How much is the GeForce 3 going to cost? $575 ?? OUCH! I wonder if the
price would be lower if 3dfx was still competing.
My system:
Athlon T-bird 1.2Ghz
ASUS A7V with BIOS 1005
384 MB PC133 (cheap stuff)
Windows ME , DX8.0a
SBLive
45GB IBM Deskstar (ATA 100)
3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 AGP ,latest drivers (but they are old anyway)
Logitech USB track ball mouse (test would not run with mouse utility turned
off)
1024x768 at 16 bit gave score of 1961
Lutrell
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> P3 1ghz (not OC'd) > 128mg PC133 ram > V5 5500 AGP (not OC'd) > > 1024x768 w/16 bit all (no AA) > > Score: 1671 > > > "Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:n_Us6.7944$[email hidden]... > > Anyone test a fast system with 3dfx V5? > > > > > > "Tim McArthur" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:zBUs6.48124$[email hidden]... > > > P3-1g overclocked to 1125Mhz > > > 256MB Compaq memory > > > ASUS GeForce2 GTS 32MB > > > SBLive > > > Win98SE w/ necessary patches > > > > > > SCORE - 3199 > > > > > > Not too bad for having a little less MHz, RAM and video memory eh? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > 3DMARK2001 PROJECT FILE > > > > > > PROJECT > > > Description P3-1g OC to 1125MHz > > > 3DMark Version 2001 > > > > > > DISPLAY > > > Platform ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v5.33a > > > CPU Optimization D3D Hardware T&L > > > Width 1024 > > > Height 768 > > > Depth 16 bit > > > Z-Buffering 16 bit > > > Texture Format Compressed > > > Buffering Double > > > Refresh Rate Default > > > FSAA Mode None > > > > > > RESULTS > > > 3DMark Score 3199 > > > Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 56.8 fps > > > Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 21.5 fps > > > Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 48.6 fps > > > Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 15.2 fps > > > Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 72.2 fps > > > Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 34.5 fps > > > Game 4 - Nature Not supported by hardware > > > Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 507.2 MTexels/s > > > Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 795.9 MTexels/s > > > High Polygon Count (1 Light) 11.5 MTriangles/s > > > High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 3.0 MTriangles/s > > > Environment Bump Mapping Not supported by hardware > > > DOT3 Bump Mapping 56.6 fps > > > Vertex Shader 30.8 fps > > > Pixel Shader Not supported by hardware > > > Point Sprites 1.7 MSprites/s > > > > > > SYSTEM INFO > > > > > > System Info Version 2.0 > > > Installation ID 0x00000000 > > > OEM ID > > > > > > CPU INFO > > > CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS > > > Manufacturer Intel > > > Family Pentium� III > > > Internal Clock 1.10GHz > > > Internal Clock Maximum 1.10GHz > > > External Clock 150MHz > > > Socket Designation PGA 370 > > > Type unknown > > > Upgrade LIF Socket > > > Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, SSE > > > Version Intel Pentium III Processor > > > CPUID 0x00000686 > > > > > > CACHES > > > Level 1 > > > Capacity 32KB > > > Type Data, Internal > > > Type Details Synchronous, Pipeline Burst > > > Error Correction Type unknown > > > Associativity 4-way Set-Associative > > > > > > Level 2 > > > Capacity 256KB > > > Type Data, Internal > > > Type Details Synchronous, Pipeline Burst > > > Error Correction Type unknown > > > Associativity 4-way Set-Associative > > > > > > DIRECTX INFO > > > DirectX Version 8.0 > > > > > > DIRECTDRAW INFO > > > DirectDraw Version 4.08.00.0400 > > > > > > DISPLAY DEVICES > > > Description Primary Display Driver > > > Manufacturer (Standard display types) > > > Name ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v5.33a > > > Total Local Video Memory 32MB > > > Total Local Texture Memory 32MB > > > Total AGP Memory 24MB > > > Display Driver anvdsp.drv > > > Display Driver Version 4.12.01.0533 > > > Max Texture Width 2048 > > > Max Texture Height 2048 > > > Max User Clipping Planes 0 > > > Max Active Hardware Lights 8 > > > Max Texture Blending Stages 8 > > > Textures In Single Pass 2 > > > Vertex Shader Version N/A > > > Pixel Shader Version N/A > > > Max Vertex Blend Matrices 0 > > > Max Texture Coordinates 8 > > > Device ID 0x0150 > > > Vendor ID 0x10de > > > Sub-System ID 0x40161043 > > > Revision 0x00a3 > > > > > > MEMORY INFO > > > Total Physical Memory 256MB > > > Free Physical Memory 125.20MB > > > Total Pagefile Memory 1.75GB > > > Free Pagefile Memory 1.70GB > > > > > > MEMORY ARRAYS > > > Max Module Capacity 512MB > > > Location System Board > > > Use System > > > Supported Error D&C None > > > Supported Speeds unknown > > > Supported Types unknown > > > Supported Voltages unknown > > > > > > MEMORY SLOTS > > > Installed & Enabled Size 128MB > > > Form Factor DIMM > > > Frequency 0Hz > > > Slot DIMM 1 > > > Manufacturer > > > Type DRAM > > > Type Details Synchronous > > > Enabled Size 128MB > > > Total Bit Width 72 > > > Data Bit Width 64 > > > > > > Installed & Enabled Size 128MB > > > Form Factor DIMM > > > Frequency 0Hz > > > Slot DIMM 2 > > > Manufacturer > > > Type DRAM > > > Type Details Synchronous > > > Enabled Size 128MB > > > Total Bit Width 72 > > > Data Bit Width 64 > > > > > > MOTHERBOARD INFO > > > Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC. > > > Model CUSL2-C > > > Version REV 1.xx > > > BIOS Vendor Award Software, Inc. > > > BIOS Version ASUS CUSL2-C ACPI BIOS Revision 1006.A > > > BIOS Release Date 02/27/2001 > > > BIOS Charasteristics Plug and Play, Flash, AGP > > > > > > CARD SLOTS > > > Number 0 > > > Designation PCI 1 > > > Type PCI > > > Characteristics PME Signal > > > Data Bus Width 32 > > > Details In Use, Long > > > Device Class Network Adapter > > > Device Description NETGEAR FA310TX Fast Ethernet PCI Adapter > > > Device Revision 0x00000020 > > > Device Manufacturer NETGEAR > > > Device Driver Date 4- 1-1999 > > > > > > Number 0 > > > Designation PCI 2 > > > Type PCI > > > Characteristics PME Signal > > > Data Bus Width 32 > > > Details In Use, Long > > > Device Class Sound, Video or Game Controller > > > Device Description Creative SB Live! Value > > > Device Revision 0x00000004 > > > Device Manufacturer Creative > > > Device Driver Date 8-26-1999 > > > > > > Number 0 > > > Designation PCI 3 > > > Type PCI > > > Characteristics PME Signal > > > Data Bus Width 32 > > > Details In Use, Long > > > Device Class unknown > > > Device Description Creative MultiMedia Interface > > > Device Revision 0x00000001 > > > Device Manufacturer Creative > > > Device Driver Date 10- 5-1999 > > > > > > OPERATING SYSTEM INFO > > > Operating System Microsoft Windows 98 > > > Version 4.10.2222 A > > > Desktop Width 1024 > > > Desktop Height 768 > > > Desktop BPP 16 > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Tim McArthur > > > Proud Member of Mach 1 Motorsports Virtual Racing Team > > > Sponsored by: Fast Time Signs | SimHQ.com | TheUSpits.com | RaceBase | > OTR > > > Promotions > > > > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... > > > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > > > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > > > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > > > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > > > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > > > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > > > > > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > > > > > > > Yummy :) > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1024x768x16
My system:
Tbird 800
256 megs of PC133 (Kingston Value Ram)
Geforce2 MX - Nvidia Reference drivers
Windows ME, DX 8.0a
SB Live Value running newest ME drivers.
16.8 gig and 20.4 gig ATA 66 drives
Everything is default settings and not overclocked.
I'm proud to say my score is:
2299 =)
Amik
On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:05:36 -0800, "Lutrell"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
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>Doh!. I just finally downloaded and tried 3DMark 2001 (40MB) also with V5 >AGP and got a score of 1961. It looks like V5 does not work well with this >test. >Strange that there is little difference with 16 or 32 bit and resolution as >low as 640x480. >How much is the GeForce 3 going to cost? $575 ?? OUCH! I wonder if the >price would be lower if 3dfx was still competing. > >My system: >Athlon T-bird 1.2Ghz >ASUS A7V with BIOS 1005 >384 MB PC133 (cheap stuff) >Windows ME , DX8.0a >SBLive >45GB IBM Deskstar (ATA 100) >3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 AGP ,latest drivers (but they are old anyway) >Logitech USB track ball mouse (test would not run with mouse utility turned >off) > >1024x768 at 16 bit gave score of 1961 > >Lutrell > > > >"Dan Kaps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:UPVs6.5777$[email hidden]... >> P3 1ghz (not OC'd) >> 128mg PC133 ram >> V5 5500 AGP (not OC'd) >> >> 1024x768 w/16 bit all (no AA) >> >> Score: 1671 >> >> >> "Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:n_Us6.7944$[email hidden]... >> > Anyone test a fast system with 3dfx V5? >> > >> > >> > "Tim McArthur" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:zBUs6.48124$[email hidden]... >> > > P3-1g overclocked to 1125Mhz >> > > 256MB Compaq memory >> > > ASUS GeForce2 GTS 32MB >> > > SBLive >> > > Win98SE w/ necessary patches >> > > >> > > SCORE - 3199 >> > > >> > > Not too bad for having a little less MHz, RAM and video memory eh? >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > >> > > 3DMARK2001 PROJECT FILE >> > > >> > > PROJECT >> > > Description P3-1g OC to 1125MHz >> > > 3DMark Version 2001 >> > > >> > > DISPLAY >> > > Platform ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v5.33a >> > > CPU Optimization D3D Hardware T&L >> > > Width 1024 >> > > Height 768 >> > > Depth 16 bit >> > > Z-Buffering 16 bit >> > > Texture Format Compressed >> > > Buffering Double >> > > Refresh Rate Default >> > > FSAA Mode None >> > > >> > > RESULTS >> > > 3DMark Score 3199 >> > > Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 56.8 fps >> > > Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 21.5 fps >> > > Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 48.6 fps >> > > Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 15.2 fps >> > > Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 72.2 fps >> > > Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 34.5 fps >> > > Game 4 - Nature Not supported by hardware >> > > Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 507.2 MTexels/s >> > > Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 795.9 MTexels/s >> > > High Polygon Count (1 Light) 11.5 MTriangles/s >> > > High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 3.0 MTriangles/s >> > > Environment Bump Mapping Not supported by hardware >> > > DOT3 Bump Mapping 56.6 fps >> > > Vertex Shader 30.8 fps >> > > Pixel Shader Not supported by hardware >> > > Point Sprites 1.7 MSprites/s >> > > >> > > SYSTEM INFO >> > > >> > > System Info Version 2.0 >> > > Installation ID 0x00000000 >> > > OEM ID >> > > >> > > CPU INFO >> > > CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS >> > > Manufacturer Intel >> > > Family Pentium� III >> > > Internal Clock 1.10GHz >> > > Internal Clock Maximum 1.10GHz >> > > External Clock 150MHz >> > > Socket Designation PGA 370 >> > > Type unknown >> > > Upgrade LIF Socket >> > > Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, SSE >> > > Version Intel Pentium III Processor >> > > CPUID 0x00000686 >> > > >> > > CACHES >> > > Level 1 >> > > Capacity 32KB >> > > Type Data, Internal >> > > Type Details Synchronous, Pipeline Burst >> > > Error Correction Type unknown >> > > Associativity 4-way Set-Associative >> > > >> > > Level 2 >> > > Capacity 256KB >> > > Type Data, Internal >> > > Type Details Synchronous, Pipeline Burst >> > > Error Correction Type unknown >> > > Associativity 4-way Set-Associative >> > > >> > > DIRECTX INFO >> > > DirectX Version 8.0 >> > > >> > > DIRECTDRAW INFO >> > > DirectDraw Version 4.08.00.0400 >> > > >> > > DISPLAY DEVICES >> > > Description Primary Display Driver >> > > Manufacturer (Standard display types) >> > > Name ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v5.33a >> > > Total Local Video Memory 32MB >> > > Total Local Texture Memory 32MB >> > > Total AGP Memory 24MB >> > > Display Driver anvdsp.drv >> > > Display Driver Version 4.12.01.0533 >> > > Max Texture Width 2048 >> > > Max Texture Height 2048 >> > > Max User Clipping Planes 0 >> > > Max Active Hardware Lights 8 >> > > Max Texture Blending Stages 8 >> > > Textures In Single Pass 2 >> > > Vertex Shader Version N/A >> > > Pixel Shader Version N/A >> > > Max Vertex Blend Matrices 0 >> > > Max Texture Coordinates 8 >> > > Device ID 0x0150 >> > > Vendor ID 0x10de >> > > Sub-System ID 0x40161043 >> > > Revision 0x00a3 >> > > >> > > MEMORY INFO >> > > Total Physical Memory 256MB >> > > Free Physical Memory 125.20MB >> > > Total Pagefile Memory 1.75GB >> > > Free Pagefile Memory 1.70GB >> > > >> > > MEMORY ARRAYS >> > > Max Module Capacity 512MB >> > > Location System Board >> > > Use System >> > > Supported Error D&C None >> > > Supported Speeds unknown >> > > Supported Types unknown >> > > Supported Voltages unknown >> > > >> > > MEMORY SLOTS >> > > Installed & Enabled Size 128MB >> > > Form Factor DIMM >> > > Frequency 0Hz >> > > Slot DIMM 1 >> > > Manufacturer >> > > Type DRAM >> > > Type Details Synchronous >> > > Enabled Size 128MB >> > > Total Bit Width 72 >> > > Data Bit Width 64 >> > > >> > > Installed & Enabled Size 128MB >> > > Form Factor DIMM >> > > Frequency 0Hz >> > > Slot DIMM 2 >> > > Manufacturer >> > > Type DRAM >> > > Type Details Synchronous >> > > Enabled Size 128MB >> > > Total Bit Width 72 >> > > Data Bit Width 64 >> > > >> > > MOTHERBOARD INFO >> > > Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC. >> > > Model CUSL2-C >> > > Version REV 1.xx >> > > BIOS Vendor Award Software, Inc. >> > > BIOS Version ASUS CUSL2-C ACPI BIOS Revision 1006.A >> > > BIOS Release Date 02/27/2001 >> > > BIOS Charasteristics Plug and Play, Flash, AGP >> > > >> > > CARD SLOTS >> > > Number 0 >> > > Designation PCI 1 >> > > Type PCI >> > > Characteristics PME Signal >> > > Data Bus Width 32 >> > > Details In Use, Long >> > > Device Class Network Adapter >> > > Device Description NETGEAR FA310TX Fast Ethernet PCI Adapter >> > > Device Revision 0x00000020 >> > > Device Manufacturer NETGEAR >> > > Device Driver Date 4- 1-1999 >> > > >> > > Number 0 >> > > Designation PCI 2 >> > > Type PCI >> > > Characteristics PME Signal >> > > Data Bus Width 32 >> > > Details In Use, Long >> > > Device Class Sound, Video or Game Controller >> > > Device Description Creative SB Live! Value >> > > Device Revision 0x00000004 >> > > Device Manufacturer Creative >> > > Device Driver Date 8-26-1999 >> > > >> > > Number 0 >> > > Designation PCI 3 >> > > Type PCI >> > > Characteristics PME Signal >> > > Data Bus Width 32 >> > > Details In Use, Long >> > > Device Class unknown >> > > Device Description Creative MultiMedia Interface >> > > Device Revision 0x00000001 >> > > Device Manufacturer Creative >> > > Device Driver Date 10- 5-1999 >> > > >> > > OPERATING SYSTEM INFO >> > > Operating System Microsoft Windows 98 >> > > Version 4.10.2222 A >> > > Desktop Width 1024 >> > > Desktop Height 768 >> > > Desktop BPP 16 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > >> > > Tim McArthur >> > > Proud Member of Mach 1 Motorsports Virtual Racing Team >> > > Sponsored by: Fast Time Signs | SimHQ.com | TheUSpits.com | RaceBase | >> OTR >> > > Promotions >> > > >> > > >> > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > > news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... >> > > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard >> > > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor >> > > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) >> > > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB >> > > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box >> > > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) >> > > > >> > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 >> > > > >> > > > Yummy :) >> > > > >> > > > -Larry >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >AMD 1.2
256 PC133
V5
3dmark2001: 2117
"Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Anyone test a fast system with 3dfx V5?
>
>
System #1 - 3DMark2001 (Default) Score: 4377
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System #1 - 3DMark2000 (Default) Score: 9345
AMD T-Bird, 1.1gig (not oc'd...yet)
512 mb, PC133 Ram
Asus A7V (BIOS vers 1005d); settings: 4xAGP, AGP ap@ 256 mb, all video
shadow disabled.
GF-2 ULTRA (Creative) Nvidia drv vers 7.52 (core clock=270 Mhz; mem
clock=480 Mhz), refresh 85 Mhz.
SB Live, 5.1 X-Gamer
DX8.0a
System #2 - 3DMark2001 (Default) Score: 2894
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System #2 - 3DMark2000 (Default) Score: [not tested]
P3-800 (not oc'd)
512 mb, PC 133 Ram
Asus P3V4X (BIOS vers 1005a); settings: 1xAGP, AGP ap@ 4mb, all video
shadow disabled.
V5 5500 3dfx drv vers 1.04.01.666 (not oc'd), refresh 85 Mhz.
SB Live, Platinum
DX8.0a
Pentium 133 (not OC'd)
16mb RAM
525mb Western Digital HD
S3 ViRGE
Sound Blaster 16
3DMARK2001 (Default) Score: Laughed at me and crashed to desktop...
Damn!
=-Rigs-= ;)
My REAL system, aging nicely:
P2/400 w/Asus P2B
128mb CAS3 SDRAM
Geforce2 MX w/32mb, 6.50 Det's
6.3 WD HD
32x CD
Zip100 (dead from 'Click o' Death', thank you Iomega!)
Two nics, cable connect
LWFF USB
WinME
My rig:
Abit vt6x4 (updated 4in1 and 4x agp drivers)
Pentium 933mhz (not overclocked)
Geforce 2 gts pro 64 meg ram (nividia 6.50 drivers, not overclocked)
256 mb PC133 ram
sound blaster live
Win98 se
Score (default settings :1024x768 32bit color) 2909 marks
Not the best but there it is. :-(
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > Yummy :) > > -Larry > >Mine is a comparable system I think
Less RAM, different Mobo, Geforce Ultra 64 instead of Pro
ASUS A7M266 Mobo
AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2GHz DDR Processor
256 Mb DDR RAM
3D Power GeForce Ultra 64MB Graphics Card
Soundblaster Live 5.1
Windows ME (with all unnecessary crap uninstalled or disabled)
3DMark2001 default benchmark (1024x768 32): 3635
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > Yummy :) > > -Larry > >LOL!
Yeah, but you're cheating. I'm not :)
-Larry
"RFuschillo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> AMD Athlon T-Bird 1 GHz over clocked to 1250 GHz > NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS/Pro > 256 megs PC150 memory > > 3dMark2001=3129 almost got ya!!! > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > > > Yummy :) > > > > -Larry > > > > > >For Windows 95, going above 64MB is a waste of time in most cases. Win95
doesn't use it very well.
Win98 can utilize effectively up to 128MB.
More than 128MB in Win98 would need to be utilized by the application to
show improvements. The OS doesn't get much out of >128MB.
However, a lot of the games we play certainly can use it, so it's still
worth considering.
Win2K is another story alltogether. It can use just about anything you
throw at it, and it's quite willing to try :)
-Larry
"Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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cheap
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> > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:fYTs6.135538$[email hidden]... > > I have no idea how a Voodoo will come out. Haven't used one for a long > > time... > > > > I'm not sure if 512MB makes much difference or not. Frankly, it wasQuoted text (13 lines)
> > so I bought it :) > > > > I have no doubts that almost everyone can bet by with 256MB. > > > > > I remember when I got 64MB when most systems had at the most 32, and I was > told that it was too much at the time, but it was soon not enough. ; ) > > Lutrell > > >The REAL good news is that it completed the tests :)
-Larry
"Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> 3567 (default) now :) with serious tweaks > > P3 @ 1177 Mhz > 256 MB PC133 (157 Mhz actually) > RADEON 64 DDR @ 220/210 Mhz > > Larry wrote: > > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > > > Yummy :) > > > > -Larry >IMHO, the Hercules GeForce II GTS Pro is the best overall price/performance
card right now.
Close to the performance of the Ultra but $150 cheaper :)
-Larry
"Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Doh!. I just finally downloaded and tried 3DMark 2001 (40MB) also with V5
> AGP and got a score of 1961. It looks like V5 does not work well with this
> test.
> Strange that there is little difference with 16 or 32 bit and resolutionas
turned
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> low as 640x480. > How much is the GeForce 3 going to cost? $575 ?? OUCH! I wonder if the > price would be lower if 3dfx was still competing. > > My system: > Athlon T-bird 1.2Ghz > ASUS A7V with BIOS 1005 > 384 MB PC133 (cheap stuff) > Windows ME , DX8.0a > SBLive > 45GB IBM Deskstar (ATA 100) > 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 AGP ,latest drivers (but they are old anyway) > Logitech USB track ball mouse (test would not run with mouse utilityQuoted text (268 lines)
> off) > > 1024x768 at 16 bit gave score of 1961 > > Lutrell > > > > "Dan Kaps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:UPVs6.5777$[email hidden]... > > P3 1ghz (not OC'd) > > 128mg PC133 ram > > V5 5500 AGP (not OC'd) > > > > 1024x768 w/16 bit all (no AA) > > > > Score: 1671 > > > > > > "Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:n_Us6.7944$[email hidden]... > > > Anyone test a fast system with 3dfx V5? > > > > > > > > > "Tim McArthur" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:zBUs6.48124$[email hidden]... > > > > P3-1g overclocked to 1125Mhz > > > > 256MB Compaq memory > > > > ASUS GeForce2 GTS 32MB > > > > SBLive > > > > Win98SE w/ necessary patches > > > > > > > > SCORE - 3199 > > > > > > > > Not too bad for having a little less MHz, RAM and video memory eh? > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > 3DMARK2001 PROJECT FILE > > > > > > > > PROJECT > > > > Description P3-1g OC to 1125MHz > > > > 3DMark Version 2001 > > > > > > > > DISPLAY > > > > Platform ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v5.33a > > > > CPU Optimization D3D Hardware T&L > > > > Width 1024 > > > > Height 768 > > > > Depth 16 bit > > > > Z-Buffering 16 bit > > > > Texture Format Compressed > > > > Buffering Double > > > > Refresh Rate Default > > > > FSAA Mode None > > > > > > > > RESULTS > > > > 3DMark Score 3199 > > > > Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 56.8 fps > > > > Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 21.5 fps > > > > Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 48.6 fps > > > > Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 15.2 fps > > > > Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 72.2 fps > > > > Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 34.5 fps > > > > Game 4 - Nature Not supported by hardware > > > > Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 507.2 MTexels/s > > > > Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 795.9 MTexels/s > > > > High Polygon Count (1 Light) 11.5 MTriangles/s > > > > High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 3.0 MTriangles/s > > > > Environment Bump Mapping Not supported by hardware > > > > DOT3 Bump Mapping 56.6 fps > > > > Vertex Shader 30.8 fps > > > > Pixel Shader Not supported by hardware > > > > Point Sprites 1.7 MSprites/s > > > > > > > > SYSTEM INFO > > > > > > > > System Info Version 2.0 > > > > Installation ID 0x00000000 > > > > OEM ID > > > > > > > > CPU INFO > > > > CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS > > > > Manufacturer Intel > > > > Family Pentium� III > > > > Internal Clock 1.10GHz > > > > Internal Clock Maximum 1.10GHz > > > > External Clock 150MHz > > > > Socket Designation PGA 370 > > > > Type unknown > > > > Upgrade LIF Socket > > > > Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, SSE > > > > Version Intel Pentium III Processor > > > > CPUID 0x00000686 > > > > > > > > CACHES > > > > Level 1 > > > > Capacity 32KB > > > > Type Data, Internal > > > > Type Details Synchronous, Pipeline Burst > > > > Error Correction Type unknown > > > > Associativity 4-way Set-Associative > > > > > > > > Level 2 > > > > Capacity 256KB > > > > Type Data, Internal > > > > Type Details Synchronous, Pipeline Burst > > > > Error Correction Type unknown > > > > Associativity 4-way Set-Associative > > > > > > > > DIRECTX INFO > > > > DirectX Version 8.0 > > > > > > > > DIRECTDRAW INFO > > > > DirectDraw Version 4.08.00.0400 > > > > > > > > DISPLAY DEVICES > > > > Description Primary Display Driver > > > > Manufacturer (Standard display types) > > > > Name ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v5.33a > > > > Total Local Video Memory 32MB > > > > Total Local Texture Memory 32MB > > > > Total AGP Memory 24MB > > > > Display Driver anvdsp.drv > > > > Display Driver Version 4.12.01.0533 > > > > Max Texture Width 2048 > > > > Max Texture Height 2048 > > > > Max User Clipping Planes 0 > > > > Max Active Hardware Lights 8 > > > > Max Texture Blending Stages 8 > > > > Textures In Single Pass 2 > > > > Vertex Shader Version N/A > > > > Pixel Shader Version N/A > > > > Max Vertex Blend Matrices 0 > > > > Max Texture Coordinates 8 > > > > Device ID 0x0150 > > > > Vendor ID 0x10de > > > > Sub-System ID 0x40161043 > > > > Revision 0x00a3 > > > > > > > > MEMORY INFO > > > > Total Physical Memory 256MB > > > > Free Physical Memory 125.20MB > > > > Total Pagefile Memory 1.75GB > > > > Free Pagefile Memory 1.70GB > > > > > > > > MEMORY ARRAYS > > > > Max Module Capacity 512MB > > > > Location System Board > > > > Use System > > > > Supported Error D&C None > > > > Supported Speeds unknown > > > > Supported Types unknown > > > > Supported Voltages unknown > > > > > > > > MEMORY SLOTS > > > > Installed & Enabled Size 128MB > > > > Form Factor DIMM > > > > Frequency 0Hz > > > > Slot DIMM 1 > > > > Manufacturer > > > > Type DRAM > > > > Type Details Synchronous > > > > Enabled Size 128MB > > > > Total Bit Width 72 > > > > Data Bit Width 64 > > > > > > > > Installed & Enabled Size 128MB > > > > Form Factor DIMM > > > > Frequency 0Hz > > > > Slot DIMM 2 > > > > Manufacturer > > > > Type DRAM > > > > Type Details Synchronous > > > > Enabled Size 128MB > > > > Total Bit Width 72 > > > > Data Bit Width 64 > > > > > > > > MOTHERBOARD INFO > > > > Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC. > > > > Model CUSL2-C > > > > Version REV 1.xx > > > > BIOS Vendor Award Software, Inc. > > > > BIOS Version ASUS CUSL2-C ACPI BIOS Revision 1006.A > > > > BIOS Release Date 02/27/2001 > > > > BIOS Charasteristics Plug and Play, Flash, AGP > > > > > > > > CARD SLOTS > > > > Number 0 > > > > Designation PCI 1 > > > > Type PCI > > > > Characteristics PME Signal > > > > Data Bus Width 32 > > > > Details In Use, Long > > > > Device Class Network Adapter > > > > Device Description NETGEAR FA310TX Fast Ethernet PCI Adapter > > > > Device Revision 0x00000020 > > > > Device Manufacturer NETGEAR > > > > Device Driver Date 4- 1-1999 > > > > > > > > Number 0 > > > > Designation PCI 2 > > > > Type PCI > > > > Characteristics PME Signal > > > > Data Bus Width 32 > > > > Details In Use, Long > > > > Device Class Sound, Video or Game Controller > > > > Device Description Creative SB Live! Value > > > > Device Revision 0x00000004 > > > > Device Manufacturer Creative > > > > Device Driver Date 8-26-1999 > > > > > > > > Number 0 > > > > Designation PCI 3 > > > > Type PCI > > > > Characteristics PME Signal > > > > Data Bus Width 32 > > > > Details In Use, Long > > > > Device Class unknown > > > > Device Description Creative MultiMedia Interface > > > > Device Revision 0x00000001 > > > > Device Manufacturer Creative > > > > Device Driver Date 10- 5-1999 > > > > > > > > OPERATING SYSTEM INFO > > > > Operating System Microsoft Windows 98 > > > > Version 4.10.2222 A > > > > Desktop Width 1024 > > > > Desktop Height 768 > > > > Desktop BPP 16 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Tim McArthur > > > > Proud Member of Mach 1 Motorsports Virtual Racing Team > > > > Sponsored by: Fast Time Signs | SimHQ.com | TheUSpits.com | RaceBase | > > OTR > > > > Promotions > > > > > > > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... > > > > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > > > > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > > > > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > > > > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > > > > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > > > > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > > > > > > > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > > > > > > > > > Yummy :) > > > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ya Think ?
:)
-Larry
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> System #1 - 3DMark2001 (Default) Score: 4377 > ******************************************************** > System #1 - 3DMark2000 (Default) Score: 9345 > > AMD T-Bird, 1.1gig (not oc'd...yet) > 512 mb, PC133 Ram > Asus A7V (BIOS vers 1005d); settings: 4xAGP, AGP ap@ 256 mb, all video > shadow disabled. > GF-2 ULTRA (Creative) Nvidia drv vers 7.52 (core clock=270 Mhz; mem > clock=480 Mhz), refresh 85 Mhz. > SB Live, 5.1 X-Gamer > DX8.0a > > > System #2 - 3DMark2001 (Default) Score: 2894 > ******************************************************* > System #2 - 3DMark2000 (Default) Score: [not tested] > > P3-800 (not oc'd) > 512 mb, PC 133 Ram > Asus P3V4X (BIOS vers 1005a); settings: 1xAGP, AGP ap@ 4mb, all video > shadow disabled. > V5 5500 3dfx drv vers 1.04.01.666 (not oc'd), refresh 85 Mhz. > SB Live, Platinum > DX8.0a > > > > >Could IRQ sharing with the video card slow it down a little?
I had a real hard time sorting out the IRQ's so that my video capture card
would work on its own IRQ, and now everything else is sharing.
"Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Doh!. I just finally downloaded and tried 3DMark 2001 (40MB) also with V5
> AGP and got a score of 1961. It looks like V5 does not work well with this
> test.
> Strange that there is little difference with 16 or 32 bit and resolutionas
turned
> off)
>
> 1024x768 at 16 bit gave score of 1961
>
> Lutrell
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> low as 640x480. > How much is the GeForce 3 going to cost? $575 ?? OUCH! I wonder if the > price would be lower if 3dfx was still competing. > > My system: > Athlon T-bird 1.2Ghz > ASUS A7V with BIOS 1005 > 384 MB PC133 (cheap stuff) > Windows ME , DX8.0a > SBLive > 45GB IBM Deskstar (ATA 100) > 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 AGP ,latest drivers (but they are old anyway) > Logitech USB track ball mouse (test would not run with mouse utilityOn Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:52:59 GMT, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:
How do I get 3dmark? I am upgrading on Tuesday and I'd like to
benchmark both systems
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>ASUS K7V133 Motherboard >AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor >512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) >Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB >Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box >Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > >3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > >Yummy :) > >-Larry >> How do I get 3dmark? I am upgrading on Tuesday and I'd like to
> benchmark both systemswww.madonion.com
there is a 2000 benchmark and now a 2001 which is what everyone is
quoteing here...fwiw...my system ran the 2000 benchmarks fine, but
for some reason the 2001 quits after cliking on the benchmark button..
dave henrie
Alert!
Best Buy has the GTS Pro on sale for $299.
I'm taking my receipt in tomorrow for a $50 refund :)
-Larry
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> IMHO, the Hercules GeForce II GTS Pro is the best overallprice/performance
V5
> > AGP and got a score of 1961. It looks like V5 does not work well withthis
> > test.
> > Strange that there is little difference with 16 or 32 bit and resolution
> as
> > low as 640x480.
> > How much is the GeForce 3 going to cost? $575 ?? OUCH! I wonder ifthe
RaceBase
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> card right now. > > Close to the performance of the Ultra but $150 cheaper :) > > -Larry > > "Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:kjXs6.7972$[email hidden]... > > Doh!. I just finally downloaded and tried 3DMark 2001 (40MB) also withQuoted text (253 lines)
> > price would be lower if 3dfx was still competing. > > > > My system: > > Athlon T-bird 1.2Ghz > > ASUS A7V with BIOS 1005 > > 384 MB PC133 (cheap stuff) > > Windows ME , DX8.0a > > SBLive > > 45GB IBM Deskstar (ATA 100) > > 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 AGP ,latest drivers (but they are old anyway) > > Logitech USB track ball mouse (test would not run with mouse utility > turned > > off) > > > > 1024x768 at 16 bit gave score of 1961 > > > > Lutrell > > > > > > > > "Dan Kaps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:UPVs6.5777$[email hidden]... > > > P3 1ghz (not OC'd) > > > 128mg PC133 ram > > > V5 5500 AGP (not OC'd) > > > > > > 1024x768 w/16 bit all (no AA) > > > > > > Score: 1671 > > > > > > > > > "Lutrell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:n_Us6.7944$[email hidden]... > > > > Anyone test a fast system with 3dfx V5? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tim McArthur" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:zBUs6.48124$[email hidden]... > > > > > P3-1g overclocked to 1125Mhz > > > > > 256MB Compaq memory > > > > > ASUS GeForce2 GTS 32MB > > > > > SBLive > > > > > Win98SE w/ necessary patches > > > > > > > > > > SCORE - 3199 > > > > > > > > > > Not too bad for having a little less MHz, RAM and video memory eh? > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > 3DMARK2001 PROJECT FILE > > > > > > > > > > PROJECT > > > > > Description P3-1g OC to 1125MHz > > > > > 3DMark Version 2001 > > > > > > > > > > DISPLAY > > > > > Platform ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v5.33a > > > > > CPU Optimization D3D Hardware T&L > > > > > Width 1024 > > > > > Height 768 > > > > > Depth 16 bit > > > > > Z-Buffering 16 bit > > > > > Texture Format Compressed > > > > > Buffering Double > > > > > Refresh Rate Default > > > > > FSAA Mode None > > > > > > > > > > RESULTS > > > > > 3DMark Score 3199 > > > > > Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 56.8 fps > > > > > Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 21.5 fps > > > > > Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 48.6 fps > > > > > Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 15.2 fps > > > > > Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 72.2 fps > > > > > Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 34.5 fps > > > > > Game 4 - Nature Not supported by hardware > > > > > Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 507.2 MTexels/s > > > > > Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 795.9 MTexels/s > > > > > High Polygon Count (1 Light) 11.5 MTriangles/s > > > > > High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 3.0 MTriangles/s > > > > > Environment Bump Mapping Not supported by hardware > > > > > DOT3 Bump Mapping 56.6 fps > > > > > Vertex Shader 30.8 fps > > > > > Pixel Shader Not supported by hardware > > > > > Point Sprites 1.7 MSprites/s > > > > > > > > > > SYSTEM INFO > > > > > > > > > > System Info Version 2.0 > > > > > Installation ID 0x00000000 > > > > > OEM ID > > > > > > > > > > CPU INFO > > > > > CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS > > > > > Manufacturer Intel > > > > > Family Pentium� III > > > > > Internal Clock 1.10GHz > > > > > Internal Clock Maximum 1.10GHz > > > > > External Clock 150MHz > > > > > Socket Designation PGA 370 > > > > > Type unknown > > > > > Upgrade LIF Socket > > > > > Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, SSE > > > > > Version Intel Pentium III Processor > > > > > CPUID 0x00000686 > > > > > > > > > > CACHES > > > > > Level 1 > > > > > Capacity 32KB > > > > > Type Data, Internal > > > > > Type Details Synchronous, Pipeline Burst > > > > > Error Correction Type unknown > > > > > Associativity 4-way Set-Associative > > > > > > > > > > Level 2 > > > > > Capacity 256KB > > > > > Type Data, Internal > > > > > Type Details Synchronous, Pipeline Burst > > > > > Error Correction Type unknown > > > > > Associativity 4-way Set-Associative > > > > > > > > > > DIRECTX INFO > > > > > DirectX Version 8.0 > > > > > > > > > > DIRECTDRAW INFO > > > > > DirectDraw Version 4.08.00.0400 > > > > > > > > > > DISPLAY DEVICES > > > > > Description Primary Display Driver > > > > > Manufacturer (Standard display types) > > > > > Name ASUS AGP-V7700 Deluxe v5.33a > > > > > Total Local Video Memory 32MB > > > > > Total Local Texture Memory 32MB > > > > > Total AGP Memory 24MB > > > > > Display Driver anvdsp.drv > > > > > Display Driver Version 4.12.01.0533 > > > > > Max Texture Width 2048 > > > > > Max Texture Height 2048 > > > > > Max User Clipping Planes 0 > > > > > Max Active Hardware Lights 8 > > > > > Max Texture Blending Stages 8 > > > > > Textures In Single Pass 2 > > > > > Vertex Shader Version N/A > > > > > Pixel Shader Version N/A > > > > > Max Vertex Blend Matrices 0 > > > > > Max Texture Coordinates 8 > > > > > Device ID 0x0150 > > > > > Vendor ID 0x10de > > > > > Sub-System ID 0x40161043 > > > > > Revision 0x00a3 > > > > > > > > > > MEMORY INFO > > > > > Total Physical Memory 256MB > > > > > Free Physical Memory 125.20MB > > > > > Total Pagefile Memory 1.75GB > > > > > Free Pagefile Memory 1.70GB > > > > > > > > > > MEMORY ARRAYS > > > > > Max Module Capacity 512MB > > > > > Location System Board > > > > > Use System > > > > > Supported Error D&C None > > > > > Supported Speeds unknown > > > > > Supported Types unknown > > > > > Supported Voltages unknown > > > > > > > > > > MEMORY SLOTS > > > > > Installed & Enabled Size 128MB > > > > > Form Factor DIMM > > > > > Frequency 0Hz > > > > > Slot DIMM 1 > > > > > Manufacturer > > > > > Type DRAM > > > > > Type Details Synchronous > > > > > Enabled Size 128MB > > > > > Total Bit Width 72 > > > > > Data Bit Width 64 > > > > > > > > > > Installed & Enabled Size 128MB > > > > > Form Factor DIMM > > > > > Frequency 0Hz > > > > > Slot DIMM 2 > > > > > Manufacturer > > > > > Type DRAM > > > > > Type Details Synchronous > > > > > Enabled Size 128MB > > > > > Total Bit Width 72 > > > > > Data Bit Width 64 > > > > > > > > > > MOTHERBOARD INFO > > > > > Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC. > > > > > Model CUSL2-C > > > > > Version REV 1.xx > > > > > BIOS Vendor Award Software, Inc. > > > > > BIOS Version ASUS CUSL2-C ACPI BIOS Revision 1006.A > > > > > BIOS Release Date 02/27/2001 > > > > > BIOS Charasteristics Plug and Play, Flash, AGP > > > > > > > > > > CARD SLOTS > > > > > Number 0 > > > > > Designation PCI 1 > > > > > Type PCI > > > > > Characteristics PME Signal > > > > > Data Bus Width 32 > > > > > Details In Use, Long > > > > > Device Class Network Adapter > > > > > Device Description NETGEAR FA310TX Fast Ethernet PCI Adapter > > > > > Device Revision 0x00000020 > > > > > Device Manufacturer NETGEAR > > > > > Device Driver Date 4- 1-1999 > > > > > > > > > > Number 0 > > > > > Designation PCI 2 > > > > > Type PCI > > > > > Characteristics PME Signal > > > > > Data Bus Width 32 > > > > > Details In Use, Long > > > > > Device Class Sound, Video or Game Controller > > > > > Device Description Creative SB Live! Value > > > > > Device Revision 0x00000004 > > > > > Device Manufacturer Creative > > > > > Device Driver Date 8-26-1999 > > > > > > > > > > Number 0 > > > > > Designation PCI 3 > > > > > Type PCI > > > > > Characteristics PME Signal > > > > > Data Bus Width 32 > > > > > Details In Use, Long > > > > > Device Class unknown > > > > > Device Description Creative MultiMedia Interface > > > > > Device Revision 0x00000001 > > > > > Device Manufacturer Creative > > > > > Device Driver Date 10- 5-1999 > > > > > > > > > > OPERATING SYSTEM INFO > > > > > Operating System Microsoft Windows 98 > > > > > Version 4.10.2222 A > > > > > Desktop Width 1024 > > > > > Desktop Height 768 > > > > > Desktop BPP 16 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Tim McArthur > > > > > Proud Member of Mach 1 Motorsports Virtual Racing Team > > > > > Sponsored by: Fast Time Signs | SimHQ.com | TheUSpits.com |Quoted text (31 lines)
> | > > > OTR > > > > > Promotions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... > > > > > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > > > > > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > > > > > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > > > > > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > > > > > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > > > > > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > > > > > > > > > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > > > > > > > > > > > Yummy :) > > > > > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >2276
ASUS P3V4X PIII650@933Mhz
Guillemot 3D Prophet 32Mb DDR (old GeForce 256 card)
256Mb Crucial PC133 C2 RAM
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> ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > Yummy :) > > -Larry > >2276
Guillemot 3D Prophet 32Mb DDR (old GeForce 256 card)
256Mb Crucial PC133 C2 RAM
2299 for mine but with the Geforce2 MX it would not complete some of
the test. I'm assuming this is limitations of the card itself and was
actually wondering if the Geforce2 GTS would be that much faster? At
any rate, this computer still flies so I guess the old saying goes,
"Don't fix what isn't broken". hehe
Amik
On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:30:38 -0600, "Lannie Schafroth"
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>2276 > >ASUS P3V4X PIII650@933Mhz >Guillemot 3D Prophet 32Mb DDR (old GeForce 256 card) >256Mb Crucial PC133 C2 RAM > >"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... >> ASUS K7V133 Motherboard >> AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor >> 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) >> Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB >> Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box >> Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) >> >> 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 >> >> Yummy :) >> >> -Larry >> >> >I played with the overclocking of the card and found some stable speeds.
The final results were 2505. Increased the core from 130Mhz to 145Mhz and
the RAM from 301Mhz to 340Mhz.
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> 2276 > > ASUS P3V4X PIII650@933Mhz > Guillemot 3D Prophet 32Mb DDR (old GeForce 256 card) > 256Mb Crucial PC133 C2 RAM > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > > > Yummy :) > > > > -Larry > > > > > >I think Anandtech had an article about it. It seems to be made for new
features that DX8.0 supports, and some of those features are not out on
video card yet. GeForce 3 is going to have most of the features.
Lutrell
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> > How do I get 3dmark? I am upgrading on Tuesday and I'd like to > > benchmark both systems > www.madonion.com > > there is a 2000 benchmark and now a 2001 which is what everyone is > quoteing here...fwiw...my system ran the 2000 benchmarks fine, but > for some reason the 2001 quits after cliking on the benchmark button.. > dave henrie > >
Er, I got 459 on the default settings of 1024 x 768 x 32. My card doesn't
support either AA or bumpmapping though, so those tests got missed out.
Reducing down to 640 x 480 x 16 managed to up my score to 611.
Not too impressive - if anyone has any suggestions as to my best options for
upgrading on a *BUDGET* then I'd be more than happy to hear them! :0)
Cheers,
Jim
3dmark2001
PII-450 cpu
Abit BX6 Rev 1 mobo
Elsa Erazor III LT TNT2 M64 32MB graphics
128 MB unbranded PC100 RAM
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> I played with the overclocking of the card and found some stable speeds. > The final results were 2505. Increased the core from 130Mhz to 145Mhz and > the RAM from 301Mhz to 340Mhz. > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:993jq5$5os$[email hidden]... > > 2276 > > > > ASUS P3V4X PIII650@933Mhz > > Guillemot 3D Prophet 32Mb DDR (old GeForce 256 card) > > 256Mb Crucial PC133 C2 RAM > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... > > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > > > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > > > > > Yummy :) > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > >You're best bet right now is a faster processor. Not too familiar with the
BX6, but can't you slap a coppermine or a celeron 2 in there? That shouldn't
cost more than ~100.
After that you might want to focus on new video card. You can get excellent
deals on Voodoo5 cards, but you're out of luck as far as driver support
goes. The good news is it works with GPL and N4, so at least you have a
strong fall back position. ;)
"Jim L" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> Er, I got 459 on the default settings of 1024 x 768 x 32. My card doesn't
> support either AA or bumpmapping though, so those tests got missed out.
> Reducing down to 640 x 480 x 16 managed to up my score to 611.
>
> Not too impressive - if anyone has any suggestions as to my best optionsfor
and
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> upgrading on a *BUDGET* then I'd be more than happy to hear them! :0) > > Cheers, > Jim > > 3dmark2001 > PII-450 cpu > Abit BX6 Rev 1 mobo > Elsa Erazor III LT TNT2 M64 32MB graphics > 128 MB unbranded PC100 RAM > > > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:993se5$bmn$[email hidden]... > > I played with the overclocking of the card and found some stable speeds. > > The final results were 2505. Increased the core from 130Mhz to 145MhzQuoted text (32 lines)
> > the RAM from 301Mhz to 340Mhz. > > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:993jq5$5os$[email hidden]... > > > 2276 > > > > > > ASUS P3V4X PIII650@933Mhz > > > Guillemot 3D Prophet 32Mb DDR (old GeForce 256 card) > > > 256Mb Crucial PC133 C2 RAM > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... > > > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > > > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > > > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > > > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > > > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > > > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > > > > > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > > > > > > > Yummy :) > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In article <EQzt6.11043$[email hidden]>, "Jim L" <[email hidden]> wrote:
611 is pretty good. on my PIII-850(100fsb), abit be6, tnt2m64, 256mb ram(2x64
pc100 + 1x128 pc133) i only got 825 :(
hope to triple or quadriple that with a asus v7700deluxe :)
Obake
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> >Er, I got 459 on the default settings of 1024 x 768 x 32. My card doesn't >support either AA or bumpmapping though, so those tests got missed out. >Reducing down to 640 x 480 x 16 managed to up my score to 611. > >Not too impressive - if anyone has any suggestions as to my best options for >upgrading on a *BUDGET* then I'd be more than happy to hear them! :0) > >Cheers, >Jim > >3dmark2001 >PII-450 cpu >Abit BX6 Rev 1 mobo >Elsa Erazor III LT TNT2 M64 32MB graphics >128 MB unbranded PC100 RAMP4-1.4
256meg pc800
NVidia GeForce2 Ultra
SB Live
Windows ME
3DMark2001 = 3495
1024x768x32
3DMark2000 = 6653
1024x768x32
These numbers below are stock, no tweaks.
3DMark2000 = 10011 (did it for kicks) :)
640x480x16
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> P4-1.4 > 256meg pc800 > NVidia GeForce2 Ultra > SB Live > Windows ME > > 3DMark2001 = 3495 > 1024x768x32 > > 3DMark2000 = 6653 > 1024x768x32These numbers below are stock, no tweaks.
3DMark2000 = 10011 (did it for kicks) :)
640x480x16
"Tim Elhajj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> You're best bet right now is a faster processor. Not too familiar with the
> BX6, but can't you slap a coppermine or a celeron 2 in there? Thatshouldn't
> cost more than ~100.
This sounds like the sort of advice I need :0)
Thanks Tim. Now my only question is what's a coppermine?
Sorry, I'm new to the cpu game. I suspect it's an Intel chip but don't know
what speeds they're available in, and what the max speed I can use is
(although I think it's 600 mhz for my BX6 Rev 1)
Cheers for your help though
Jim
> After that you might want to focus on new video card. You can getexcellent
doesn't
speeds.
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> deals on Voodoo5 cards, but you're out of luck as far as driver support > goes. The good news is it works with GPL and N4, so at least you have a > strong fall back position. ;) > > > "Jim L" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:EQzt6.11043$[email hidden]... > > > > Er, I got 459 on the default settings of 1024 x 768 x 32. My cardQuoted text (22 lines)
> > support either AA or bumpmapping though, so those tests got missed out. > > Reducing down to 640 x 480 x 16 managed to up my score to 611. > > > > Not too impressive - if anyone has any suggestions as to my best options > for > > upgrading on a *BUDGET* then I'd be more than happy to hear them! :0) > > > > Cheers, > > Jim > > > > 3dmark2001 > > PII-450 cpu > > Abit BX6 Rev 1 mobo > > Elsa Erazor III LT TNT2 M64 32MB graphics > > 128 MB unbranded PC100 RAM > > > > > > > > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:993se5$bmn$[email hidden]... > > > I played with the overclocking of the card and found some stableQuoted text (36 lines)
> > > The final results were 2505. Increased the core from 130Mhz to 145Mhz > and > > > the RAM from 301Mhz to 340Mhz. > > > > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:993jq5$5os$[email hidden]... > > > > 2276 > > > > > > > > ASUS P3V4X PIII650@933Mhz > > > > Guillemot 3D Prophet 32Mb DDR (old GeForce 256 card) > > > > 256Mb Crucial PC133 C2 RAM > > > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... > > > > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > > > > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > > > > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > > > > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > > > > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > > > > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > > > > > > > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > > > > > > > > > Yummy :) > > > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > coppermine is indeed the insider name for an Intel chip. Your bx6 board
should
be able to get a new bios file that will allow you to upgrade to a much
faster
cpu than just 600. If you did go to a 600 you'd be already slower than
whats needed
for some sims...I can't stress this enough...get as much cpu as you can
afford...memory, vid cards they all help, but if you have a weak cpu...you
are just hamstringing everything
else.
dave henrie
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> "Tim Elhajj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > You're best bet right now is a faster processor. Not too familiar withthe
know
out.
> > > Reducing down to 640 x 480 x 16 managed to up my score to 611.
> > >
> > > Not too impressive - if anyone has any suggestions as to my bestoptions
145Mhz
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> > BX6, but can't you slap a coppermine or a celeron 2 in there? That > shouldn't > > cost more than ~100. > > > This sounds like the sort of advice I need :0) > Thanks Tim. Now my only question is what's a coppermine? > > Sorry, I'm new to the cpu game. I suspect it's an Intel chip but don'tQuoted text (22 lines)
> what speeds they're available in, and what the max speed I can use is > (although I think it's 600 mhz for my BX6 Rev 1) > > Cheers for your help though > > Jim > > > > > After that you might want to focus on new video card. You can get > excellent > > deals on Voodoo5 cards, but you're out of luck as far as driver support > > goes. The good news is it works with GPL and N4, so at least you have a > > strong fall back position. ;) > > > > > > "Jim L" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:EQzt6.11043$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Er, I got 459 on the default settings of 1024 x 768 x 32. My card > doesn't > > > support either AA or bumpmapping though, so those tests got missedQuoted text (20 lines)
> > for > > > upgrading on a *BUDGET* then I'd be more than happy to hear them! :0) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Jim > > > > > > 3dmark2001 > > > PII-450 cpu > > > Abit BX6 Rev 1 mobo > > > Elsa Erazor III LT TNT2 M64 32MB graphics > > > 128 MB unbranded PC100 RAM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:993se5$bmn$[email hidden]... > > > > I played with the overclocking of the card and found some stable > speeds. > > > > The final results were 2505. Increased the core from 130Mhz toQuoted text (37 lines)
> > and > > > > the RAM from 301Mhz to 340Mhz. > > > > > > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:993jq5$5os$[email hidden]... > > > > > 2276 > > > > > > > > > > ASUS P3V4X PIII650@933Mhz > > > > > Guillemot 3D Prophet 32Mb DDR (old GeForce 256 card) > > > > > 256Mb Crucial PC133 C2 RAM > > > > > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... > > > > > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > > > > > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > > > > > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > > > > > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > > > > > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > > > > > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > > > > > > > > > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > > > > > > > > > > > Yummy :) > > > > > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>"Eric Cote" <[email hidden]> wrote
> 3567 (default) now :) with serious tweaks
>
> P3 @ 1177 Mhz
> 256 MB PC133 (157 Mhz actually)
> RADEON 64 DDR @ 220/210 Mhz
Wow! Impressionnant ton overclocking. Pour le faire fonctionner tu dois
mettre ton PC dehors au frette? ;-)
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The Abit BIOS update page for the BX6 Revision 1.....
http://www.abit.com.tw/english/download/bios%20update/bios-bx6.htm
.....seems to suggest that a PIII 600 is as fast as I can go with this mobo.
I'd really like it now if someone could prove that this is wrong......
Cheers
Jim
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> > > goes. The good news is it works with GPL and N4, so at least you havea
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> coppermine is indeed the insider name for an Intel chip. Your bx6 board > should > be able to get a new bios file that will allow you to upgrade to a much > faster > cpu than just 600. If you did go to a 600 you'd be already slower than > whats needed > for some sims...I can't stress this enough...get as much cpu as you can > afford...memory, vid cards they all help, but if you have a weak cpu...you > are just hamstringing everything > else. > dave henrie > "Jim L" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8NMt6.13345$[email hidden]... > > > > "Tim Elhajj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3ab700e8$[email hidden]... > > > You're best bet right now is a faster processor. Not too familiar with > the > > > BX6, but can't you slap a coppermine or a celeron 2 in there? That > > shouldn't > > > cost more than ~100. > > > > > > This sounds like the sort of advice I need :0) > > Thanks Tim. Now my only question is what's a coppermine? > > > > Sorry, I'm new to the cpu game. I suspect it's an Intel chip but don't > know > > what speeds they're available in, and what the max speed I can use is > > (although I think it's 600 mhz for my BX6 Rev 1) > > > > Cheers for your help though > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > After that you might want to focus on new video card. You can get > > excellent > > > deals on Voodoo5 cards, but you're out of luck as far as driverQuoted text (16 lines)
> > > strong fall back position. ;) > > > > > > > > > "Jim L" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:EQzt6.11043$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > Er, I got 459 on the default settings of 1024 x 768 x 32. My card > > doesn't > > > > support either AA or bumpmapping though, so those tests got missed > out. > > > > Reducing down to 640 x 480 x 16 managed to up my score to 611. > > > > > > > > Not too impressive - if anyone has any suggestions as to my best > options > > > for > > > > upgrading on a *BUDGET* then I'd be more than happy to hear them!Quoted text (58 lines)
> > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > 3dmark2001 > > > > PII-450 cpu > > > > Abit BX6 Rev 1 mobo > > > > Elsa Erazor III LT TNT2 M64 32MB graphics > > > > 128 MB unbranded PC100 RAM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:993se5$bmn$[email hidden]... > > > > > I played with the overclocking of the card and found some stable > > speeds. > > > > > The final results were 2505. Increased the core from 130Mhz to > 145Mhz > > > and > > > > > the RAM from 301Mhz to 340Mhz. > > > > > > > > > > "Lannie Schafroth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:993jq5$5os$[email hidden]... > > > > > > 2276 > > > > > > > > > > > > ASUS P3V4X PIII650@933Mhz > > > > > > Guillemot 3D Prophet 32Mb DDR (old GeForce 256 card) > > > > > > 256Mb Crucial PC133 C2 RAM > > > > > > > > > > > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:%0Rs6.133505$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > ASUS K7V133 Motherboard > > > > > > > AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2Ghz DDR Processor > > > > > > > 512MB Micron CAS-3 SDRAM (Two 256MB Sticks) > > > > > > > Hercules Geforce II GTS Pro 64MB > > > > > > > Hercules Game Theater XP Sound Card/Breakout Box > > > > > > > Windows 98OE (All critical patches applied) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3DMark2001 Score = 3201 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yummy :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Jim L wrote:
>
> The Abit BIOS update page for the BX6 Revision 1.....
> http://www.abit.com.tw/english/download/bios%20update/bios-bx6.htm
> .....seems to suggest that a PIII 600 is as fast as I can go with this mobo.
> I'd really like it now if someone could prove that this is wrong......
Scroll down that same page & read the notes for the ID:HV BIOS update
dated 01/25/99. It states that clock multipliers up to 8x are
supported. 8x100=800Mhz. I'd say she'll take more than 600.....
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I tested all my machines... here are the results...all with win98 and default
parameters(lower parameters on 450's)
p3 750@750 gforce256...256 ram...1714
p3 750@803 gforce256....256 ram...1771
p3 750@803 Voodoo2 sli..256 ram...718
p2 450@450..voodoo3 256 ram ......621
celeron300@450..tnt1...256 ram.....441
celeron300@450..vodoo2 sli...........399
p4 [email hidden] gf2ultra 128 ram....3516
p4 [email hidden] gfultra 128 ram...3701
scott
www.windycityracing.com
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>I tested all my machines... here are the results...all with win98 and default
>parameters(lower parameters on 450's)
From what I've seen, 3DMark2001 requires DX8, which I haven't loaded yet. My
system works fine now, and I don't have any games that need it. So, I haven't
fixed what isn't broken.<g>
Anyway, is there a version that runs under DX7a? I'm curious about my system's
performance...
Eldred
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F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...
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Last years 3D Mark 2000 uses DX7 and will show much higher (maybe even
double) on most new systems because it was made to test last years systems
that were designed for DX 7. The scores are all relative to what the test
was designed for.
Get it here:
http://gamershq.madonion.com/download/?3dmark2000.shtml
Lutrell
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> >I tested all my machines... here are the results...all with win98 anddefault
> >parameters(lower parameters on 450's)
>
> From what I've seen, 3DMark2001 requires DX8, which I haven't loaded yet.My
> system works fine now, and I don't have any games that need it. So, Ihaven't
> fixed what isn't broken.<g>
>
> Anyway, is there a version that runs under DX7a? I'm curious about mysystem's
you
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> performance... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beatsIn article <7efw6.16548$[email hidden]>, "Lutrell"
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Thanks, Lutrell.
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