F1RC, Why, oh, why are the physics not better :(((((((((((((((((((( My evaluation

How long will we have to wait until someone develops a sim that is better that GPL or N4. I tried, really tried to drive Malasia for the weekend, and also watched onboard qualifying on TV. The track is modelled great, it looks awesome, but the vehiclew dynamics seem all wrong. AI brakes for corners 25 to 35 meters before the corners. Mika drove (99 season) 1.33 in the friggin RACE. What is that. I am so sorry this title did not turn out better. I would play F1CS2000 but the tracks are so TERRIBLY wrong I just can't get into it. GP3 really belongs to the last millenium. Now this game comes out, and it turns out to be such crap. I WANT TO STOP PLAYING BLODDY GPL. I really do. But the way this one drives just does not cut it. The controls in my oppinion are the main problem. You just can't navigate fast sweeping corners. If you want to add a touch or revs (CH Pedals, very precise) the car just snaps into a violent oversteer, and there is nothing you can do than. But you CANNOT anticipate it. YOU SIMPLY CANNOT KNOW WHEN YOU ARE ON THE LIMIT. Either you are too slow, or you spin out. It has to do with contoroler reading. It has to do with sound. But for now it is almost unusable. The game is so beautiful it lures you to play it, but than it frustrates you beyond all recognition. When I drive close to the AI, my FFeedback goes out of whack, like someone else took over my wheel. WEIRD! I wish Ubisoft makes the best F1 game. I wish they succedd. Therefore I wish more of us give them arguments of why the physics and controls, and sound and AI (obvious) need some serious tweaking. You can still have fun with it, but that leaves you even more desperate, because the game is so close and yet so far away in terms of playability. Can't cry any more. I need to go back and marvel at the beautiful driving feedback I get from Papy products, and pray that WSC gets released this year, at least the demo. Enough babble anyway, Domi :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:43:42 +0100, "Domagoj Malovic" <[email hidden]> wrote: >GP3 really >belongs to the last millenium. What do you base that on? Graphics alone or the fact you can't hear other cars? Or do you mean the fact it models the '98 season (it can be updated to 2000)? It may be no GPL, but the physics engine is way above F1RC.

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> On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:43:42 +0100, "Domagoj Malovic" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >GP3 really > >belongs to the last millenium. > > What do you base that on? Graphics alone or the fact you can't hear > other cars? Or do you mean the fact it models the '98 season (it can > be updated to 2000)? It may be no GPL, but the physics engine is way > above F1RC.

*IMO* the physics engine in F1RC has its faults but it seems to me to have a basis of physics behind it unlike GP3, to me F1RC feels like an F1 car should feel very pointy and when it lets go you don't get much warning. And whether it is realistic or not I just like the feel of F1RC I never realy liked the feel of GP3, but each to his own.

On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:16:33 -0000, "GBB" <[email hidden]> wrote: >*IMO* the physics engine in F1RC has its faults but it seems to me to have a >basis of physics behind it unlike GP3, to me F1RC feels like an F1 car >should feel very pointy and when it lets go you don't get much warning. And >whether it is realistic or not I just like the feel of F1RC I never realy >liked the feel of GP3, but each to his own. > Yes, each to his own. I think F12KCS feels the best of any F1 sim so far. But, F1RC feels to me like it is hovering above the road with no feeing for the road at all. IMO.

I wish they would fix the wheel probem as well. Everytime I catch up to an AI car my wheel goes bonkers and I crash. I think everything else is really good. "Domagoj Malovic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:990i93$68ig$[email hidden]... > How long will we have to wait until someone develops a sim that is better > that GPL or N4. > > I tried, really tried to drive Malasia for the weekend, and also watched > onboard qualifying on TV. The track is modelled great, it looks awesome,but > the vehiclew dynamics seem all wrong. AI brakes for corners 25 to 35meters > before the corners. Mika drove (99 season) 1.33 in the friggin RACE. Whatis > that. > > I am so sorry this title did not turn out better. I would play F1CS2000but > the tracks are so TERRIBLY wrong I just can't get into it. GP3 really > belongs to the last millenium. Now this game comes out, and it turns outto

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> be such crap. I WANT TO STOP PLAYING BLODDY GPL. I really do. But the way > this one drives just does not cut it. > > The controls in my oppinion are the main problem. You just can't navigate > fast sweeping corners. If you want to add a touch or revs (CH Pedals, very > precise) the car just snaps into a violent oversteer, and there is nothing > you can do than. But you CANNOT anticipate it. YOU SIMPLY CANNOT KNOW WHEN > YOU ARE ON THE LIMIT. Either you are too slow, or you spin out. It has to

do > with contoroler reading. It has to do with sound. But for now it is almost > unusable. The game is so beautiful it lures you to play it, but than it > frustrates you beyond all recognition. When I drive close to the AI, my > FFeedback goes out of whack, like someone else took over my wheel. WEIRD! > > I wish Ubisoft makes the best F1 game. I wish they succedd. Therefore Iwish > more of us give them arguments of why the physics and controls, and sound > and AI (obvious) need some serious tweaking. You can still have fun withit,

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> but that leaves you even more desperate, because the game is so close and > yet so far away in terms of playability. > > Can't cry any more. I need to go back and marvel at the beautiful driving > feedback I get from Papy products, and pray that WSC gets released this > year, at least the demo. > > Enough babble anyway, > > Domi >

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>"Jagg" <[email hidden]> wrote > What do you base that on? Graphics alone or the fact you can't hear > other cars? This, that and 1001 other things ;) > It may be no GPL, but the physics engine is way above F1RC. That in no way makes his sentence false. Gp3 is truly a racing sim of the last century. It was already outdated of a decade when released. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Have to agree but for different reasons, something just doesn't feel quite right. I have turned all helps off but it still feels to me as though I am not in sole control of the car. At times it seems that I can just turn the wheel and I will make the corner without a problem even if I am going in too fast. The reaction to collisions also seems fairly well off the mark, I was in a race at Malaysia when my wheels got entangled with a car beside me along the front straight. My car went up in the air, spun 360 and then carried merrily on it's way with my foot buried on the accelerator the whole time and I didn't suffer any damage at all. On another occasion I lost the front wing but noticed no difference to the cars handling thereafter. I am going to keep trying and tweaking things in the hope that I will find some improvement but at the moment I have to say that the realism is slightly lacking in this sim \ game. Cheers PH PS:- Anyone who is happy with the handling \ performance care to let me know what settings they are using in the game. Cheers. On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:43:42 +0100, "Domagoj Malovic" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>How long will we have to wait until someone develops a sim that is better >that GPL or N4. > >I tried, really tried to drive Malasia for the weekend, and also watched >onboard qualifying on TV. The track is modelled great, it looks awesome, but >the vehiclew dynamics seem all wrong. AI brakes for corners 25 to 35 meters >before the corners. Mika drove (99 season) 1.33 in the friggin RACE. What is >that. > >I am so sorry this title did not turn out better. I would play F1CS2000 but >the tracks are so TERRIBLY wrong I just can't get into it. GP3 really >belongs to the last millenium. Now this game comes out, and it turns out to >be such crap. I WANT TO STOP PLAYING BLODDY GPL. I really do. But the way >this one drives just does not cut it. > >The controls in my oppinion are the main problem. You just can't navigate >fast sweeping corners. If you want to add a touch or revs (CH Pedals, very >precise) the car just snaps into a violent oversteer, and there is nothing >you can do than. But you CANNOT anticipate it. YOU SIMPLY CANNOT KNOW WHEN >YOU ARE ON THE LIMIT. Either you are too slow, or you spin out. It has to do >with contoroler reading. It has to do with sound. But for now it is almost >unusable. The game is so beautiful it lures you to play it, but than it >frustrates you beyond all recognition. When I drive close to the AI, my >FFeedback goes out of whack, like someone else took over my wheel. WEIRD! > >I wish Ubisoft makes the best F1 game. I wish they succedd. Therefore I wish >more of us give them arguments of why the physics and controls, and sound >and AI (obvious) need some serious tweaking. You can still have fun with it, >but that leaves you even more desperate, because the game is so close and >yet so far away in terms of playability. > >Can't cry any more. I need to go back and marvel at the beautiful driving >feedback I get from Papy products, and pray that WSC gets released this >year, at least the demo. > >Enough babble anyway, > >Domi >:((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( >

On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:43:42 +0100, "Domagoj Malovic" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I tried, really tried to drive Malasia for the weekend, and also watched >onboard qualifying on TV. The track is modelled great, it looks awesome, but >the vehiclew dynamics seem all wrong. AI brakes for corners 25 to 35 meters >before the corners. Mika drove (99 season) 1.33 in the friggin RACE. What is >that. There allready is a 'AI patch' out, it helps a little, but not enough. The AI if faster than me in the corners, slower on the straights, and they are sticking too much to their line. Yesterday I spinned at Suzuka, Hakinnen was driving 5 seconds behind me, he had all the room to avoid me but he choose to immitate Surtees and rammed my car :( >I am so sorry this title did not turn out better. I would play F1CS2000 but >the tracks are so TERRIBLY wrong I just can't get into it. GP3 really >belongs to the last millenium. Now this game comes out, and it turns out to >be such crap. I WANT TO STOP PLAYING BLODDY GPL. I really do. But the way >this one drives just does not cut it. Why do you want to stop playing bloody GPL? Even if a 'perfect' current F1 sim appears, it won't be half as much fun as driving a Lotus 49 on the Nordschleife imho.. :)

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>The controls in my oppinion are the main problem. You just can't navigate >fast sweeping corners. If you want to add a touch or revs (CH Pedals, very >precise) the car just snaps into a violent oversteer, and there is nothing >you can do than. But you CANNOT anticipate it. YOU SIMPLY CANNOT KNOW WHEN >YOU ARE ON THE LIMIT. Either you are too slow, or you spin out. It has to do >with contoroler reading. It has to do with sound. But for now it is almost >unusable. The game is so beautiful it lures you to play it, but than it >frustrates you beyond all recognition. When I drive close to the AI, my >FFeedback goes out of whack, like someone else took over my wheel. WEIRD!

I thought it was me, but I'm happy to see that you have the same problems. Indeed, you allmost can't feel when the car is on the limit. After driving numerous laps on Suzuka I know how fast I can go at each corner, but when pushing it for those last 1/10s of seconds it becomes frustrating since you can't feel when the car is on the limit. In GPL you -feel- what the car is doing, when it's about to loose control, in F1RC you -can't-. And the FF is also a weird problem indeed. I had the same, when driving behind an AI car the FF goes weird. FF is totally unusable in F1RC. And a racing sim NEEDS good FF. I had good fun with F1RC for a week or two, admiring the specaculair graphics, but I'm done with hotlapping now and I want to RACE, which can't be done in F1RC. AI is totally unplayable and multiplayer only works with a max of 4 players. This one goes back to the shelves untill a patch comes out. Andre

> Why do you want to stop playing bloody GPL? Even if a 'perfect' > current F1 sim appears, it won't be half as much fun as driving a > Lotus 49 on the Nordschleife imho.. :) No, my friend (well you play GPL, and therefore must be a friend:) I don't think I will quit playing GPL any time soon. And I am not sad. What I said was just a figure of speach. The Ring is so great, and fro that track alone, I will continue playing it. I wish we could make a pettition for the West Bro's to include modern Nordschleife into their product. Anyway, I am so in love with GPL/Ring that I am talking my wife to take a 1000 Km trip to visit the track, inspite of the poor standard of living in my home Croatia. I WILL GO THERE!!!!!! This year probably! Domi

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:35:36 +0100, "Domagoj Malovic" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Anyway, I am so in love with GPL/Ring that I am talking my wife to take a >1000 Km trip to visit the track, inspite of the poor standard of living in >my home Croatia. I WILL GO THERE!!!!!! This year probably! Well, you sure know how to satisfy your wife.. :) Have fun, don't forget to check the opening times of the track before you go, it not open for public everyday, as I found out the hard when when I went to the Ring last year :( Andre >Domi > >