Bring the safety car in!!

Damn, why do they treat F1 drivers like babies having their first run in a FFirst? Spa 2000 was damp and they started behiend the safety car, and now today. -- Rob Swindells ///////////// Caps Lock

And another lap... wimps. Rob Swindells wrote:

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> Damn, why do they treat F1 drivers like babies having their first run in > a FFirst? > > Spa 2000 was damp and they started behiend the safety car, and now > today. > > -- > Rob Swindells > ///////////// > Caps > Lock

-- Rob Swindells ///////////// Caps Lock

Well they have to let the Ferrari drivers catch up after the shocking performances by both drivers and teams, don't they? Chris -- Simbokza GPL FD League www.simbokza.com Remove _YOUR_CLOTHES before replying by e-mail "Rob Swindells" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Damn, why do they treat F1 drivers like babies having their first run in > a FFirst? > > Spa 2000 was damp and they started behiend the safety car, and now > today. > > -- > Rob Swindells > ///////////// > Caps > Lock > >

"Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Tell me about it. Let em race! I think I am going to bed. Schumacher > just went from 11th to 1st in about 4 laps and now Barichello is right > behind him in 2nd. Wonder who'll win this one? Hmm.... > > Oh well, at least I caught a lot of good racing earlier today (12 > hours at Sebring.) Now THAT'S racing. I caught Sebring myself (thanks, Speedvision! :-), but I hope you stuck around for the Verstappen-Hakkinen-Frentzen battles. Very good racing and an impressive performance from Jos. And that bit at the end with R Schumacher and Hakkinen- this was a very exciting race.

Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote in message 991us6$b3u$[email hidden]... > Well they have to let the Ferrari drivers catch up after the shocking > performances by both drivers and teams, don't they They don't

Well it was mostly due to the fact that one lap it was sunny and dry the next it as monsoon season and all on only one section of the track! (you could actually see the defining line between wet and dry on the track, wow!) You saw how everyone went off, they wanted to get everyone in, on wets and back out safely and then let racing commence. Rob Swindells <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Damn, why do they treat F1 drivers like babies having their first run in > a FFirst? > > Spa 2000 was damp and they started behiend the safety car, and now > today. > > -- > Rob Swindells > ///////////// > Caps > Lock > >

On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:46:06 -0000, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Well it was mostly due to the fact that one lap it was sunny and dry the >next it as monsoon season and all on only one section of the track! (you >could actually see the defining line between wet and dry on the track, wow!) > >You saw how everyone went off, they wanted to get everyone in, on wets and >back out safely and then let racing commence. >

And if they hadn't done so, you just know we'd be reading all about how 'they' got it wrong on this group right now, wouldn't we? DG

A Formula 1 car is seriously more powerful than a Formula First. The conditions at Sepang today deteriorated so quickly that the only safe thing to do was bring out the safety car, the amount of people who were aquaplaning off the track was proof of that. Spa 2000 (or was it 99) on the other hand was a silly call as the track wasn't that wet. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> Rob Swindells <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > And another lap... > > wimps. > > Rob Swindells wrote: > > > Damn, why do they treat F1 drivers like babies having their first run in > > a FFirst? > > > > Spa 2000 was damp and they started behiend the safety car, and now > > today. > > > > -- > > Rob Swindells

I remember a time when in such instances, races were red flagged and aggregate times from the first stint and restarted race were added together to give a final result. This crap about using safety cars to allow people to change tyres is just that. It might have been a slightly different story today had real representative times been run, rather than artificially bunching up fields. MS Disgruntled Goat <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:46:06 -0000, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Well it was mostly due to the fact that one lap it was sunny and dry the > >next it as monsoon season and all on only one section of the track! (you > >could actually see the defining line between wet and dry on the track,wow!) > > > >You saw how everyone went off, they wanted to get everyone in, on wetsand

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> >back out safely and then let racing commence. > > > > And if they hadn't done so, you just know we'd be reading all about > how 'they' got it wrong on this group right now, wouldn't we? > > DG

F1's use of safety cars is more frequent as of late and I think it comes down to the situation in CART. Frequent safety car periods allow maximum safety for drivers as it keeps them all racing when potentially a lot would go out of the race making for bad TV. It's obviously better for the fan as their is no mass crashes leaving a field of 5 drivers, not as much need for red flags, and restarts making the whole thing better overall while making it safer than letting cars run away. Good move. I don't think they want it to be like CART though as being like CART makes people well... watch CART ;-) Mark Seery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Lr7t6.5572$[email hidden]... > I remember a time when in such instances, races were red flagged and > aggregate times from the first stint and restarted race were addedtogether > to give a final result. This crap about using safety cars to allow peopleto

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> change tyres is just that. It might have been a slightly different story > today had real representative times been run, rather than artificially > bunching up fields. > > MS > > Disgruntled Goat <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:46:06 -0000, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Well it was mostly due to the fact that one lap it was sunny and dry

the > > >next it as monsoon season and all on only one section of the track!(you

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> > >could actually see the defining line between wet and dry on the track, > wow!) > > > > > >You saw how everyone went off, they wanted to get everyone in, on wets > and > > >back out safely and then let racing commence. > > > > > > > And if they hadn't done so, you just know we'd be reading all about > > how 'they' got it wrong on this group right now, wouldn't we? > > > > DG > >

But racing, and in fact, sports in general, aren't supposed to be a mere spectacle. If a meaningless spectacle is all you want, you might as well watch pro-wrestling. *Real* sports are a pure contest to find out who is the best. The few drivers who managed to make it past lap four without sliding off the track should have been rewarded with a huge lead. Boring or not. CART is great, but one thing I dislike about it is the damn pacecar. "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:99340l$dkj$[email hidden]...

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> F1's use of safety cars is more frequent as of late and I think it comes > down to the situation in CART. > > Frequent safety car periods allow maximum safety for drivers as it keeps > them all racing when potentially a lot would go out of the race making for > bad TV. > It's obviously better for the fan as their is no mass crashes leaving a > field of 5 drivers, not as much need for red flags, and restarts making

the > whole thing better overall while making it safer than letting cars runaway.

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> > Good move. I don't think they want it to be like CART though as being like > CART makes people well... watch CART ;-) > > > Mark Seery <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Lr7t6.5572$[email hidden]... > > I remember a time when in such instances, races were red flagged and > > aggregate times from the first stint and restarted race were added > together > > to give a final result. This crap about using safety cars to allow

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> to > > change tyres is just that. It might have been a slightly different story > > today had real representative times been run, rather than artificially > > bunching up fields. > > > > MS > > > > Disgruntled Goat <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:46:06 -0000, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Well it was mostly due to the fact that one lap it was sunny and dry > the > > > >next it as monsoon season and all on only one section of the track! > (you > > > >could actually see the defining line between wet and dry on the

track, > > wow!) > > > > > > > >You saw how everyone went off, they wanted to get everyone in, onwets

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> > and > > > >back out safely and then let racing commence. > > > > > > > > > > And if they hadn't done so, you just know we'd be reading all about > > > how 'they' got it wrong on this group right now, wouldn't we? > > > > > > DG > > > > > > >

[email hidden] (Aubrey) wrote: > But racing, and in fact, sports in general, aren't supposed to be a mere > spectacle. Not in an ideal world. But try telling that to the advertisers who pay for racing! Andrew McP

Im sure you would be saying this if you were leading the race and aquaplaned straight off the track.... *cough* bullshit! Driving a 800 horsepower car that weighs 500 kg in rain with the spray from the other cars blinding you is a recepie for disaster anybody could bloody see that. Have you seen any other car that causes as much spray as an f1 car? I think not. Rob Swindells <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Damn, why do they treat F1 drivers like babies having their first run in > a FFirst? > > Spa 2000 was damp and they started behiend the safety car, and now > today. > > -- > Rob Swindells > ///////////// > Caps > Lock > >

Todd Walker wrote: > > As for the "blinding spray" what about rally cars? > They kick up huge clouds of dust or snow and whoever is driving behind > them has their vision obscured. > Well, I might be watching some other sport, but I don't see rally cars too bunched up together that often... -Gregor

"Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:36:52 GMT, "Berno" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Im sure you would be saying this if you were leading the race andaquaplaned

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> >straight off the track.... > >*cough* bullshit! > > Any race driver worth a crap knows his car's limits. If you slide off > the track because of rain, then you screwed up and don't deserve to be > in the lead. > > >Driving a 800 horsepower car that weighs 500 kg in rain with the spray

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> >see that. Have you seen any other car that causes as much spray as an f1 > >car? > >I think not. > > The safety car was kept out much longer than necessary. This was done > simply to bunch up the field again and attempt to make for a more > interesting race. As for the "blinding spray" what about rally cars? > They kick up huge clouds of dust or snow and whoever is driving behind > them has their vision obscured. It's part of the race. Why should the > F1 babies be any different?

When's the last time you saw all the rally drivers take off at the same time in a pack? They're intentionally spaced out, partly to offset the same dust clouds that you brought up. You're not helping your argument any.

You wouldn't expect a football match to go ahead in torrential rain and weather conditions and the reason? Health and safety of players along with fans and TV viewers. You don't let a boxing match continue after a guy is beaten senseless, the ref intervenes. That's the point of a safety car. It is so that the race can be fair and equal and let each man fight it out. It's not exactly fair if a sudden downpour and oil combine to send some on that side of the track to the gravel while others who have already passed go home free. How does that let each man fight it out? See what I mean? Aubrey <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ztbt6.7794$[email hidden]... > But racing, and in fact, sports in general, aren't supposed to be a mere > spectacle. If a meaningless spectacle is all you want, you might as well > watch pro-wrestling. *Real* sports are a pure contest to find out who is > the best. The few drivers who managed to make it past lap four without > sliding off the track should have been rewarded with a huge lead. Boringor

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> not. > > CART is great, but one thing I dislike about it is the damn pacecar. > > "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:99340l$dkj$[email hidden]... > > F1's use of safety cars is more frequent as of late and I think it comes > > down to the situation in CART. > > > > Frequent safety car periods allow maximum safety for drivers as it keeps > > them all racing when potentially a lot would go out of the race making

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> > bad TV. > > It's obviously better for the fan as their is no mass crashes leaving a > > field of 5 drivers, not as much need for red flags, and restarts making > the > > whole thing better overall while making it safer than letting cars run > away. > > > > Good move. I don't think they want it to be like CART though as being

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> > CART makes people well... watch CART ;-) > > > > > > Mark Seery <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Lr7t6.5572$[email hidden]... > > > I remember a time when in such instances, races were red flagged and > > > aggregate times from the first stint and restarted race were added > > together > > > to give a final result. This crap about using safety cars to allow > people > > to > > > change tyres is just that. It might have been a slightly different

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> > > today had real representative times been run, rather than artificially > > > bunching up fields. > > > > > > MS > > > > > > Disgruntled Goat <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:46:06 -0000, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Well it was mostly due to the fact that one lap it was sunny and

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> > the > > > > >next it as monsoon season and all on only one section of the track! > > (you > > > > >could actually see the defining line between wet and dry on the > track, > > > wow!) > > > > > > > > > >You saw how everyone went off, they wanted to get everyone in, on > wets > > > and > > > > >back out safely and then let racing commence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if they hadn't done so, you just know we'd be reading all about > > > > how 'they' got it wrong on this group right now, wouldn't we? > > > > > > > > DG > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

How would playing a football match in torrential rain affect the health and safety of fans and tv viewers? ;-) BTW. Most football matches in England are played in such conditions. MS GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:995l75$e1v$[email hidden]... > You wouldn't expect a football match to go ahead in torrential rain and > weather conditions and the reason? > Health and safety of players along with fans and TV viewers.

We were talking about restarting the race, not about continuing the race no matter what. As for what happened to Shumi and Rubens, that's racing. "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:995l75$e1v$[email hidden]...

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> You wouldn't expect a football match to go ahead in torrential rain and > weather conditions and the reason? > Health and safety of players along with fans and TV viewers. > > You don't let a boxing match continue after a guy is beaten senseless, the > ref intervenes. > > That's the point of a safety car. It is so that the race can be fair and > equal and let each man fight it out. It's not exactly fair if a sudden > downpour and oil combine to send some on that side of the track to the > gravel while others who have already passed go home free. How does that

let > each man fight it out? See what I mean? > > Aubrey <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ztbt6.7794$[email hidden]... > > But racing, and in fact, sports in general, aren't supposed to be a mere > > spectacle. If a meaningless spectacle is all you want, you might aswell > > watch pro-wrestling. *Real* sports are a pure contest to find out whois > > the best. The few drivers who managed to make it past lap four without > > sliding off the track should have been rewarded with a huge lead.Boring

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> or > > not. > > > > CART is great, but one thing I dislike about it is the damn pacecar. > > > > "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:99340l$dkj$[email hidden]... > > > F1's use of safety cars is more frequent as of late and I think it

comes > > > down to the situation in CART. > > > > > > Frequent safety car periods allow maximum safety for drivers as itkeeps > > > them all racing when potentially a lot would go out of the race making > for > > > bad TV. > > > It's obviously better for the fan as their is no mass crashes leavinga > > > field of 5 drivers, not as much need for red flags, and restartsmaking

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> > the > > > whole thing better overall while making it safer than letting cars run > > away. > > > > > > Good move. I don't think they want it to be like CART though as being > like > > > CART makes people well... watch CART ;-) > > > > > > > > > Mark Seery <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:Lr7t6.5572$[email hidden]... > > > > I remember a time when in such instances, races were red flagged and > > > > aggregate times from the first stint and restarted race were added > > > together > > > > to give a final result. This crap about using safety cars to allow > > people > > > to > > > > change tyres is just that. It might have been a slightly different > story > > > > today had real representative times been run, rather than

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> > > > bunching up fields. > > > > > > > > MS > > > > > > > > Disgruntled Goat <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:46:06 -0000, "GraDee" <[email hidden]>

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> > > (you > > > > > >could actually see the defining line between wet and dry on the > > track, > > > > wow!) > > > > > > > > > > > >You saw how everyone went off, they wanted to get everyone in, on > > wets > > > > and > > > > > >back out safely and then let racing commence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if they hadn't done so, you just know we'd be reading all

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> > > > > how 'they' got it wrong on this group right now, wouldn't we? > > > > > > > > > > DG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

If I understood the comments properly in post race interview, Coulthard said he went off the track four times following the safety car. To me, that indicates that the conditions were rather, um, bad ;) Todd Walker wrote:

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> On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:36:52 GMT, "Berno" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Im sure you would be saying this if you were leading the race and aquaplaned > >straight off the track.... > >*cough* bullshit! > > Any race driver worth a crap knows his car's limits. If you slide off > the track because of rain, then you screwed up and don't deserve to be > in the lead.

>Any race driver worth a crap knows his car's limits. If you slide off >the track because of rain, then you screwed up and don't deserve to be >in the lead. To be fair though, the conditions in Malaysia, were a little unusual. I was sitting in the stand at turn 1, and the track never saw a drop of rain. 200 metres back down the straight, it was a river. Very odd to look at :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Yeah, rain is a bit different here in Malaysia ;-) I don't know whether it was a good idea to conduct the 2nd GP of the year in Malaysia. Weather in the West is a bit unpredictable then. For the former date (October) you can be 100% sure to have active rain-season here, but only in the East. The West is usually dry then. You came to Malaysia to watch the GP, Graeme? WOW JensSchumi On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:01:41 +0100, Graeme Nash <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >>Any race driver worth a crap knows his car's limits. If you slide off >>the track because of rain, then you screwed up and don't deserve to be >>in the lead. > >To be fair though, the conditions in Malaysia, were a little unusual. I >was sitting in the stand at turn 1, and the track never saw a drop of >rain. 200 metres back down the straight, it was a river. Very odd to >look at :-)

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Then why didn't Jos Verstappen for instance? "Matthew V. Jessick" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:[email hidden]... > If I understood the comments properly in post race interview, > Coulthard said he went off the track four times following the > safety car. To me, that indicates that the conditions were rather, um,bad ;)

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> > >straight off the track.... > > >*cough* bullshit! > > > > Any race driver worth a crap knows his car's limits. If you slide off > > the track because of rain, then you screwed up and don't deserve to be > > in the lead. >

Then why didn't Jos Verstappen for instance? > If I understood the comments properly in post race interview, > Coulthard said he went off the track four times following the > safety car. To me, that indicates that the conditions were rather, um, bad ;) > > >Im sure you would be saying this if you were leading the race and aquaplaned > > >straight off the track.... > > >*cough* bullshit! > > Any race driver worth a ***knows his car's limits. If you slide off > > the track because of rain, then you screwed up and don't deserve to be > > in the lead.

>You came to Malaysia to watch the GP, Graeme? >WOW Third time :-) </smug> :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash