GPL - 'Ring problems

Hi all, There's a jump at the Ring that I can't get right. From the Pflanzgarten sign there's a long-ish double-apex righthander, then a left, then a downhill left which is where the jump is. At the moment I'm taking this slowly in second gear at the extreme left hand side (2 wheels out on the grass) so I avoid taking off - I'm scared of spinning if I go any faster. Any tips as to how this jump "should" be taken? My other problem is immediately after this jump, where there's a right-left-right-left-right sequence before the bridge and the Schwalbenschwanz sign. I basically drive on the grass for the first two of the RLRLR sequence, which straightens things out somewhat. Firstly, how "should" this corner sequence be driven, and secondly, am I being unsportsmanlike or cheating or whatever if I decide to hop over the grass? :0) Thanks Jim

OK first for the jump...to land a jump in GPL, you should blip the throttle in the air. It gets the nose up a little to make for a soft landing...if you hit the brakes or lift off the gas too much, the nose drops and you lose control...SO on that left hander, you can enter it pretty fast and when the ground drops out, lift a smidgen, then give the engine a nice firm blip while you are in the air. This should cure all your problems there. On that next sequence, I cant seem to remember exactly how it goes, but basically dropping 2 tires off isn't bad. Try not to drop off all 4s, though. It will take a little bit of memorizing to get through those first few blind left rights...For the tight right hander at the end of that section that goes over the bridge, hmmm if I remember correctly, brake a bit after the grey line gets darker, and turn in real early. The car doesn't want to turn much there and will normally push outby the time you get to the apex and the exit. Just remember to get the car slowed down for the following left hander because that section really gets your adrenaline flowing. Jesse Black "Jim L" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:OH7t6.12730$[email hidden]...

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> Hi all, > > There's a jump at the Ring that I can't get right. From the Pflanzgarten > sign there's a long-ish double-apex righthander, then a left, then a > downhill left which is where the jump is. At the moment I'm taking this > slowly in second gear at the extreme left hand side (2 wheels out on the > grass) so I avoid taking off - I'm scared of spinning if I go any faster. > Any tips as to how this jump "should" be taken? > > My other problem is immediately after this jump, where there's a > right-left-right-left-right sequence before the bridge and the > Schwalbenschwanz sign. I basically drive on the grass for the first two of > the RLRLR sequence, which straightens things out somewhat. Firstly, how > "should" this corner sequence be driven, and secondly, am I being > unsportsmanlike or cheating or whatever if I decide to hop over the grass? > > :0) > > Thanks > > Jim > >

In article <OH7t6.12730$[email hidden]>, "Jim L" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Hi all, > >There's a jump at the Ring that I can't get right. From the Pflanzgarten >sign there's a long-ish double-apex righthander, then a left, then a >downhill left which is where the jump is. At the moment I'm taking this >slowly in second gear at the extreme left hand side (2 wheels out on the >grass) so I avoid taking off - I'm scared of spinning if I go any faster. >Any tips as to how this jump "should" be taken? > >My other problem is immediately after this jump, where there's a >right-left-right-left-right sequence before the bridge and the >Schwalbenschwanz sign. I basically drive on the grass for the first two of >the RLRLR sequence, which straightens things out somewhat. Firstly, how >"should" this corner sequence be driven, and secondly, am I being >unsportsmanlike or cheating or whatever if I decide to hop over the grass? >

Is this right before the second Karroussel? I can't get that run to the bridge correct, either... I can stay on the track fine, but I can't get NEARLY the speed that I see others getting... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5Fet6.1$[email hidden]... > OK first for the jump...to land a jump in GPL, you should blip thethrottle > in the air. It gets the nose up a little to make for a soft landing...if > you hit the brakes or lift off the gas too much, the nose drops and youlose > control...SO on that left hander, you can enter it pretty fast and whenthe > ground drops out, lift a smidgen, then give the engine a nice firm blip > while you are in the air. This should cure all your problems there. On > that next sequence, I cant seem to remember exactly how it goes, but > basically dropping 2 tires off isn't bad. Try not to drop off all 4s, > though. It will take a little bit of memorizing to get through thosefirst > few blind left rights...For the tight right hander at the end of that > section that goes over the bridge, hmmm if I remember correctly, brake abit > after the grey line gets darker, and turn in real early. The car doesn't > want to turn much there and will normally push outby the time you get tothe > apex and the exit. Just remember to get the car slowed down for the > following left hander because that section really gets your adrenaline > flowing. > > Jesse Black Blip seems to suggest that your intending the RPMs to rise only for a short period. I tend to just keep the throttle down through the whole section, just losing a little bit of speed before I turn to drop so I don't fly into into the fence. A lot of racers drop on idle, it's a shame because this is the worst thing to do. Greg.

"Jim L" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:OH7t6.12730$[email hidden]... Hi!

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> There's a jump at the Ring that I can't get right. From the Pflanzgarten > sign there's a long-ish double-apex righthander, then a left, then a > downhill left which is where the jump is. At the moment I'm taking this > slowly in second gear at the extreme left hand side (2 wheels out on the > grass) so I avoid taking off - I'm scared of spinning if I go any faster. > Any tips as to how this jump "should" be taken? > My other problem is immediately after this jump, where there's a > right-left-right-left-right sequence before the bridge and the > Schwalbenschwanz sign. I basically drive on the grass for the first two of > the RLRLR sequence, which straightens things out somewhat. Firstly, how > "should" this corner sequence be driven, and secondly, am I being > unsportsmanlike or cheating or whatever if I decide to hop over the grass?

I suggest using my Ringtrainer: http://www.joachimblum.de/ringtrainer.htm Good luck! Regards Crash

Jim L <[email hidden]> wrote: > Hi all, > My other problem is immediately after this jump, where there's a > right-left-right-left-right sequence before the bridge and the > Schwalbenschwanz sign. I basically drive on the grass for the first two of > the RLRLR sequence, which straightens things out somewhat. Firstly, how You mean there are other ways to drive it? :) I suppose you could take the first two kinks slower which might provide you with a better speed for the rest of the run, but I've never felt the need for it... +Cinquo

Well I am not a hotlapper, so I normally don't take the revs to the rev limiter when driving. If you are making hotlaps, go ahead and floor the gas...its just when you are trying to conserve the motor (which is a tough job with the Honda) it is wise to just give it a blip to keep from overrevving, yet still keeping the nose from dropping. Jesse Black "Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:995m1a$epv$[email hidden]... > > "Wosco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5Fet6.1$[email hidden]... > > OK first for the jump...to land a jump in GPL, you should blip the > throttle > > in the air. It gets the nose up a little to make for a softlanding...if

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> > you hit the brakes or lift off the gas too much, the nose drops and you > lose > > control...SO on that left hander, you can enter it pretty fast and when > the > > ground drops out, lift a smidgen, then give the engine a nice firm blip > > while you are in the air. This should cure all your problems there. On > > that next sequence, I cant seem to remember exactly how it goes, but > > basically dropping 2 tires off isn't bad. Try not to drop off all 4s, > > though. It will take a little bit of memorizing to get through those > first > > few blind left rights...For the tight right hander at the end of that > > section that goes over the bridge, hmmm if I remember correctly, brake a > bit > > after the grey line gets darker, and turn in real early. The car

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> > want to turn much there and will normally push outby the time you get to > the > > apex and the exit. Just remember to get the car slowed down for the > > following left hander because that section really gets your adrenaline > > flowing. > > > > Jesse Black > > Blip seems to suggest that your intending the RPMs to rise only for a

short > period. I tend to just keep the throttle down through the whole section, > just losing a little bit of speed before I turn to drop so I don't flyinto > into the fence. A lot of racers drop on idle, it's a shame because this is > the worst thing to do. > > Greg. > >

Whoop! Thanks for the help folks. I used what you lot told me and studied a few hotlap replays and just now managed an 8:39.78 in the Ferrari. That's one-and-a-bit seconds slower than Eldred..... note that on Saturday my quickest Ring time was 68 seconds slower than his! It's 5 a.m. now so best be off to bed, I'm going to be *sooooo* sleepy tomorrow but what the hell, my gplrank is now 44 :0) Cheerio Jim

In article <7wBt6.11190$[email hidden]>, "Jim L" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Whoop! > >Thanks for the help folks. I used what you lot told me and studied a few >hotlap replays and just now managed an 8:39.78 in the Ferrari. That's >one-and-a-bit seconds slower than Eldred..... note that on Saturday my >quickest Ring time was 68 seconds slower than his! >

Aw, *man*... Thanks a LOT, guys...<g> >It's 5 a.m. now so best be off to bed, I'm going to be *sooooo* sleepy >tomorrow but what the hell, my gplrank is now 44 :0) > >Cheerio > >Jim You stayed up until 5am playing GPL?!? I couldn't do that. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Aw, *man*... Thanks a LOT, guys...<g> Hehe! I'm coming ta get ya, I'm coming ta get ya...... :0) > You stayed up until 5am playing GPL?!? I couldn't do that. Grooooooooaaaaaarghhh never again, yesterday morning wasn't fun!

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> Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.