"civilian" driving sim?

hey all - just wondering if anyone know of any "civilian" driving sims - by that i mean sorta in the way Flight Simulator compares to combat flying sims... Porsche Unleashed is the closest thing I've played (and loved), but I need more... Traffic jams, go-where-you-like, good physics - that type of thing. thanks!

"andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > just wondering if anyone know of any "civilian" driving sims - > by that i mean sorta in the way Flight Simulator compares to combat > flying sims... > Porsche Unleashed is the closest thing I've played (and loved), but I > need more... > Traffic jams, go-where-you-like, good physics - that type of thing. Midtown Madness is good, or if you like, Driver. --KC

Why not just drive your own car? Who would want to play a game of "Traffic Jam", -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] "andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > hey all - > > just wondering if anyone know of any "civilian" driving sims - > > by that i mean sorta in the way Flight Simulator compares to combat > flying sims... > > Porsche Unleashed is the closest thing I've played (and loved), but I > need more... > > Traffic jams, go-where-you-like, good physics - that type of thing. > > thanks! >

>"Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote > Why not just drive your own car? Who would want to play a game of"Traffic > Jam" Because the guy is asking for... geeze what a smart-arse comment. Anyway, Microsoft Midtown Madness II is close to what he wants, but is arcade-based. There is also Sierra's Driving education software. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I really want to know? What the hell would you need a sim of every day driving for? And I almost forgot. Ymenard, screw off! You have more smart-ass and "attacking" post of anyone out there. When ever a flame war takes off, I a can always find your post right in the middle of it. -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ytbt6.411659$[email hidden]... > >"Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Why not just drive your own car? Who would want to play a game of > "Traffic > > Jam" > > Because the guy is asking for... geeze what a smart-arse comment. > > > Anyway, Microsoft Midtown Madness II is close to what he wants, but is > arcade-based. There is also Sierra's Driving education software. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > >

Hmmm... I wouldn't say everyday driving. MS Flightsim is not all about everyday flying either. That's got to be about the lamest insult I read on here lately, BTW. Need to use your imagination more. Jan. =--- Kevin Anderson wrote... > I really want to know? What the hell would you need > a sim of every day driving for? > <snip>

On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:47:33 GMT, "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I really want to know? What the hell would you need a sim of every day >driving for? > >And I almost forgot. Ymenard, screw off! You have more smart-ass and >"attacking" post of anyone out there. When ever a flame war takes off, I a >can always find your post right in the middle of it. hey hey hey, Gas is expensive. Especially if you drive a "Sporty Useless Vehicle"

>"Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote > I really want to know? What the hell would you need a sim of every day > driving for? Why? why not! > You have more smart-ass and "attacking" post of anyone out there. When > ever a flame war takes off, I a can always find your post right in themiddle of it. Hehe, thanks! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

'cause i'm less inclined to drive my way out of a real traffic jam... by way of front lawns & oncoming traffic and stuff! Kevin Anderson wrote:

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> Why not just drive your own car? Who would want to play a game of "Traffic > Jam", > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] > > "andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > hey all - > > > > just wondering if anyone know of any "civilian" driving sims - > > > > by that i mean sorta in the way Flight Simulator compares to combat > > flying sims... > > > > Porsche Unleashed is the closest thing I've played (and loved), but I > > need more... > > > > Traffic jams, go-where-you-like, good physics - that type of thing. > > > > thanks! > >

oh, for a minute there (after reading your last post) i thought you weren't a dick. why would you want a racing simulation when you can go out and race in real life? (i guess you don't have one) LAME Kevin Anderson wrote:

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> I really want to know? What the hell would you need a sim of every day > driving for? > > And I almost forgot. Ymenard, screw off! You have more smart-ass and > "attacking" post of anyone out there. When ever a flame war takes off, I a > can always find your post right in the middle of it. > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ytbt6.411659$[email hidden]... > > >"Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Why not just drive your own car? Who would want to play a game of > > "Traffic > > > Jam" > > > > Because the guy is asking for... geeze what a smart-arse comment. > > > > > > Anyway, Microsoft Midtown Madness II is close to what he wants, but is > > arcade-based. There is also Sierra's Driving education software. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > >

...the difference is that in Driver or MidTown Madness, there's no speed-limit, no 'real' consequences if you crash, and if the cops do catch you, you don't end up in a real prison. I'd say that makes playing these games hugely different from driving round in your car. "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ilbt6.231503$[email hidden]... > Why not just drive your own car? Who would want to play a game of"Traffic > Jam", > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden]

Midtown Madness is a little *too* arcadey for my liking, so you might want to take a look at Driver. "andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> hey all - > > just wondering if anyone know of any "civilian" driving sims - > > by that i mean sorta in the way Flight Simulator compares to combat > flying sims... > > Porsche Unleashed is the closest thing I've played (and loved), but I > need more... > > Traffic jams, go-where-you-like, good physics - that type of thing. > > thanks! >

Raise your left hand if you can go out and grab your 67 Ferrari F1 car and take a lap at nurburgring and then jump into your 2000 Ferrari F1 car and take a lap at Monza right now. Raise your right hand if you can jump into your street car and go cruising on the highway. Andrew...I know there are reasons for wanting the street car simulator...but you used a bad example to prove that it would be a viable game. JB "andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > oh, for a minute there (after reading your last post) i thought youweren't a > dick. > > why would you want a racing simulation when you can go out and race inreal

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> life? > > (i guess you don't have one) > > LAME > > Kevin Anderson wrote: > > > I really want to know? What the hell would you need a sim of every day > > driving for? > > > > And I almost forgot. Ymenard, screw off! You have more smart-ass and > > "attacking" post of anyone out there. When ever a flame war takes off, I

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> > can always find your post right in the middle of it. > > > > -- > > Kevin Anderson > > [email hidden] > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Ytbt6.411659$[email hidden]... > > > >"Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > Why not just drive your own car? Who would want to play a game of > > > "Traffic > > > > Jam" > > > > > > Because the guy is asking for... geeze what a smart-arse comment. > > > > > > > > > Anyway, Microsoft Midtown Madness II is close to what he wants, but is > > > arcade-based. There is also Sierra's Driving education software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > >

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 01:15:02 GMT, andrew <[email hidden]> wrote: >oh, for a minute there (after reading your last post) i thought you weren't a >dick. > >why would you want a racing simulation when you can go out and race in real >life? > Why would you read a group devoted to racing sims if you think they are for people with no life? What does that say about your life? >(i guess you don't have one) > >LAME > Bingo.... DG

On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:47:33 GMT, "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I really want to know? What the hell would you need a sim of every day >driving for? > Probably because in real life, traffic jams are frustrating. In a sim, you could take out all your frustrations, hijack a 4WD (GTA style) and drive over the top of the bastards. You could get in car chases, perform stunts, etc - all the stuff you can't do on the streets without either being arrested or hurt. BTW, I remember, years ago, playing a game sort of like this called "Vette". It involved racing a Corvette around San Francisco - you had to navigate from A to B by whatever route you chose - kinda fun re-living your favourite San Fran chase scenes (think Steve McQueen in "Bullitt"), as well as see the sights (in glourious VGA) of San Francisco. It was fun for its time, and my age (early 90's, early teens) but I feel it wouldn't stack up too well with what we are used to today. >And I almost forgot. Ymenard, screw off! You have more smart-ass and >"attacking" post of anyone out there. When ever a flame war takes off, I a >can always find your post right in the middle of it. > C'mon, play nice... DG

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 01:15:02 GMT, andrew <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>oh, for a minute there (after reading your last post) i thought you weren't a >dick. > >why would you want a racing simulation when you can go out and race in real >life? > >(i guess you don't have one) > >LAME >

OK, ignore my other post, I wasn't quite following. Still, this is kind of a stupid topic to start flaming over, doncha think? DG

i didn't realize I was trying to prove it would be a viable game. Wosco wrote:

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> Raise your left hand if you can go out and grab your 67 Ferrari F1 car and > take a lap at nurburgring and then jump into your 2000 Ferrari F1 car and > take a lap at Monza right now. Raise your right hand if you can jump into > your street car and go cruising on the highway. Andrew...I know there are > reasons for wanting the street car simulator...but you used a bad example to > prove that it would be a viable game. > > JB > > "andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > oh, for a minute there (after reading your last post) i thought you > weren't a > > dick. > > > > why would you want a racing simulation when you can go out and race in > real > > life? > > > > (i guess you don't have one) > > > > LAME > > > > Kevin Anderson wrote: > > > > > I really want to know? What the hell would you need a sim of every day > > > driving for? > > > > > > And I almost forgot. Ymenard, screw off! You have more smart-ass and > > > "attacking" post of anyone out there. When ever a flame war takes off, I > a > > > can always find your post right in the middle of it. > > > > > > -- > > > Kevin Anderson > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:Ytbt6.411659$[email hidden]... > > > > >"Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > Why not just drive your own car? Who would want to play a game of > > > > "Traffic > > > > > Jam" > > > > > > > > Because the guy is asking for... geeze what a smart-arse comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, Microsoft Midtown Madness II is close to what he wants, but is > > > > arcade-based. There is also Sierra's Driving education software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > -- May the Downforce be with you... > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

exactly... see my new thread above... Disgruntled Goat wrote:

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> On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:47:33 GMT, "Kevin Anderson" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I really want to know? What the hell would you need a sim of every day > >driving for? > > > > Probably because in real life, traffic jams are frustrating. In a sim, > you could take out all your frustrations, hijack a 4WD (GTA style) and > drive over the top of the bastards. You could get in car chases, > perform stunts, etc - all the stuff you can't do on the streets > without either being arrested or hurt. > > BTW, I remember, years ago, playing a game sort of like this called > "Vette". It involved racing a Corvette around San Francisco - you had > to navigate from A to B by whatever route you chose - kinda fun > re-living your favourite San Fran chase scenes (think Steve McQueen in > "Bullitt"), as well as see the sights (in glourious VGA) of San > Francisco. It was fun for its time, and my age (early 90's, early > teens) but I feel it wouldn't stack up too well with what we are used > to today. > > >And I almost forgot. Ymenard, screw off! You have more smart-ass and > >"attacking" post of anyone out there. When ever a flame war takes off, I a > >can always find your post right in the middle of it. > > > > C'mon, play nice... > > DG

[email hidden] (Disgruntled Goat) wrote in <[email hidden]>: >BTW, I remember, years ago, playing a game sort of like this called >"Vette". the game may be out on some abandonware site... Sounds like a fun game. -- brian

Kevin Anderson wrote:

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> > Why not just drive your own car? Who would want to play a game of "Traffic > Jam", > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] >

I remember some guy here asking the same question a couple years ago. He said that his wife was recovering from some sort of physical trauma and thought that a "civilian" driving sim might be a good stepping stone for her before she got behind the wheel for real. Sounded logical to me. Michael Lowery

And now I feel guilty for wanting it to smash my way out of traffic jams. "Michael G. Lowery" wrote:

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> Kevin Anderson wrote: > > > > Why not just drive your own car? Who would want to play a game of "Traffic > > Jam", > > > > -- > > Kevin Anderson > > [email hidden] > > > I remember some guy here asking the same question a couple years ago. > He said that his wife was recovering from some sort of physical trauma > and thought that a "civilian" driving sim might be a good stepping stone > for her before she got behind the wheel for real. Sounded logical to me. > > Michael Lowery

I just tried the London Racer demo. OK it's *not* a sim, in fact it's very far from it. It's *so* arcadey it's not even a good arcade game, in fact. The game is based around a race from London to Oxford on public roads, and you have the police and Gatso cameras to deal with. A good idea I thought, but because the "physics" model is so bad, overall as a driving game it's crap. On the other hand, it is a pretty game, with good-looking scenery flashing past (as you take the hairpin at 140 mph in your Mini!). With some anti-aliasing and a proper sim engine behind it this would be a really nice game. "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4hdt6.1556$[email hidden]... > Midtown Madness is a little *too* arcadey for my liking, so you might want > to take a look at Driver. > > "andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...

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> > hey all - > > > > just wondering if anyone know of any "civilian" driving sims - > > > > by that i mean sorta in the way Flight Simulator compares to combat > > flying sims... > > > > Porsche Unleashed is the closest thing I've played (and loved), but I > > need more... > > > > Traffic jams, go-where-you-like, good physics - that type of thing. > > > > thanks! > > > >

I tried driver on Playstation, and returned it immediately - it was - get this - - incompatible with an analog steering wheel - ?!?!?!?!?!?!? Simon Brown wrote:

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> Midtown Madness is a little *too* arcadey for my liking, so you might want > to take a look at Driver. > > "andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > hey all - > > > > just wondering if anyone know of any "civilian" driving sims - > > > > by that i mean sorta in the way Flight Simulator compares to combat > > flying sims... > > > > Porsche Unleashed is the closest thing I've played (and loved), but I > > need more... > > > > Traffic jams, go-where-you-like, good physics - that type of thing. > > > > thanks! > >

Try turning the Physics Realism all the way up, and then downloading some of the great third party cars that are out there. http://www.midtownmotors.co.uk/main.html is a good start for third party cars. Many of the third party stuff is pretty realistic, within the confines of the game engine anyway... Driver is fun too, if you don't mind being stuck with late 70's cars... ;) DennyK Simon Brown wrote:

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> > Midtown Madness is a little *too* arcadey for my liking, so you might want > to take a look at Driver. > > "andrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > hey all - > > > > just wondering if anyone know of any "civilian" driving sims - > > > > by that i mean sorta in the way Flight Simulator compares to combat > > flying sims... > > > > Porsche Unleashed is the closest thing I've played (and loved), but I > > need more... > > > > Traffic jams, go-where-you-like, good physics - that type of thing. > > > > thanks! > >