A Proposal for an Informal N4 Racing Group

It's not really a league, because I don't envision it as one where you keep ongoing results, but rather just an opportunity for serious but not fanatical drivers to get together for a couple or three short races one or more times a week at the track which hosts the real world race that week. It's inspired by the VROC-F2 group for GPL where there are several races a week hosted by the group. It's all just for fun and nobody keeps track of results toward any sort of championship, and that attitude of comaraderie is what's made it such a great success. Ideally, there would be more than one session per week, perhaps one held early in the evening for east-coasters who have to get up early and another for left-coasters who do not. Maybe, if the group wanted to, there could even be one big get-together at some agreed-upon time for everyone to meet for the Big Race of the Week. But again, no tracking of results, just friendly racing without all the idjits you encounter in pick-up events. Post comments here and if there is sufficient interest, maybe we can get something started. =^..^=

That sounds like a good idea. Particularly considering all of the folks who have posted complaining about the destruction derby that generally happens on sierra's servers. The best part of this, from my standpoint, is that there's no time requirement, which is what's always kept me from doing leagues in the past. If you have time to race, you log on, but if not, no harm done since results aren't tracked. But the better drivers will be obviously be informally recognized over the course of the coming weeks/months. I'll be curious to see what others think of this idea. Tex The Black Cat =^..^= <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It's not really a league, because I don't envision it as one where you > keep ongoing results, but rather just an opportunity for serious but > not fanatical drivers to get together for a couple or three short > races one or more times a week at the track which hosts the real world > race that week. > > It's inspired by the VROC-F2 group for GPL where there are several > races a week hosted by the group. It's all just for fun and nobody > keeps track of results toward any sort of championship, and that > attitude of comaraderie is what's made it such a great success. > > Ideally, there would be more than one session per week, perhaps one > held early in the evening for east-coasters who have to get up early > and another for left-coasters who do not. Maybe, if the group wanted > to, there could even be one big get-together at some agreed-upon time > for everyone to meet for the Big Race of the Week. > > But again, no tracking of results, just friendly racing without all > the idjits you encounter in pick-up events. > > Post comments here and if there is sufficient interest, maybe we can > get something started. > > > =^..^= >

Sounds good. J. Janasov The Black Cat =^..^= <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It's not really a league, because I don't envision it as one where you > keep ongoing results, but rather just an opportunity for serious but > not fanatical drivers to get together for a couple or three short > races one or more times a week at the track which hosts the real world > race that week. > > It's inspired by the VROC-F2 group for GPL where there are several > races a week hosted by the group. It's all just for fun and nobody > keeps track of results toward any sort of championship, and that > attitude of comaraderie is what's made it such a great success. > > Ideally, there would be more than one session per week, perhaps one > held early in the evening for east-coasters who have to get up early > and another for left-coasters who do not. Maybe, if the group wanted > to, there could even be one big get-together at some agreed-upon time > for everyone to meet for the Big Race of the Week. > > But again, no tracking of results, just friendly racing without all > the idjits you encounter in pick-up events. > > Post comments here and if there is sufficient interest, maybe we can > get something started. > > > =^..^=

Count me in, Cat, and whatever you need give me a shout! -- Colin ICQ 25485061 The Black Cat =^..^= <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > It's not really a league, because I don't envision it as one where you > keep ongoing results, but rather just an opportunity for serious but > not fanatical drivers to get together for a couple or three short > races one or more times a week at the track which hosts the real world > race that week. > > It's inspired by the VROC-F2 group for GPL where there are several > races a week hosted by the group. It's all just for fun and nobody > keeps track of results toward any sort of championship, and that > attitude of comaraderie is what's made it such a great success.

I give it a big thumbs up. -- Fester

That sounds perfect to me. I'm not fast, but I am capable of racing clean. Tim On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:08:58 GMT, The Black Cat =^..^= <[email hidden]> wrote: >Post comments here and if there is sufficient interest, maybe we can >get something started.

I'll be glad to join you guys... Mike On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:08:58 GMT, The Black Cat =^..^= <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>It's not really a league, because I don't envision it as one where you >keep ongoing results, but rather just an opportunity for serious but >not fanatical drivers to get together for a couple or three short >races one or more times a week at the track which hosts the real world >race that week. > >It's inspired by the VROC-F2 group for GPL where there are several >races a week hosted by the group. It's all just for fun and nobody >keeps track of results toward any sort of championship, and that >attitude of comaraderie is what's made it such a great success. > >Ideally, there would be more than one session per week, perhaps one >held early in the evening for east-coasters who have to get up early >and another for left-coasters who do not. Maybe, if the group wanted >to, there could even be one big get-together at some agreed-upon time >for everyone to meet for the Big Race of the Week. > >But again, no tracking of results, just friendly racing without all >the idjits you encounter in pick-up events. > >Post comments here and if there is sufficient interest, maybe we can >get something started. > > >=^..^=

Count me in. I don't have the time for a league, but this would be great. The crashers online are driving me nuts. Kyle

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> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:08:58 GMT, The Black Cat =^..^= > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >It's not really a league, because I don't envision it as one where you > >keep ongoing results, but rather just an opportunity for serious but > >not fanatical drivers to get together for a couple or three short > >races one or more times a week at the track which hosts the real world > >race that week. > > > >It's inspired by the VROC-F2 group for GPL where there are several > >races a week hosted by the group. It's all just for fun and nobody > >keeps track of results toward any sort of championship, and that > >attitude of comaraderie is what's made it such a great success. > > > >Ideally, there would be more than one session per week, perhaps one > >held early in the evening for east-coasters who have to get up early > >and another for left-coasters who do not. Maybe, if the group wanted > >to, there could even be one big get-together at some agreed-upon time > >for everyone to meet for the Big Race of the Week. > > > >But again, no tracking of results, just friendly racing without all > >the idjits you encounter in pick-up events. > > > >Post comments here and if there is sufficient interest, maybe we can > >get something started.

"The Black Cat =^..^=" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Post comments here and if there is sufficient interest, maybe we can > get something started. > > > =^..^= I'd be interested as long as the races don't clash with VROC-F2 events and some are held at Euro friendly times. Cheers Phil -- http://www.legendscentral.com http://www.geocities.com/f2_festival GPL Handicaps: F1 -2.85 secs, F2 +115.11 secs

Being thoroughly tired of NASCAR DEATHMATCH myself you can count me in. If the goal is to simply have someplace to go when in the mood I'm wondering if the "league" could consist of just a simple scheme that would let us know who is who on Sierra.com along with some way to keep out the "riff-raff". Perhaps some "standard" names for hosted games along with a "password-of-the-week" to get us in. Any members of this "Laidback League" who wanted to host a race would just start whatever track he wanted, name the game "Laidback Daytona" or some such and lock the game with this weeks password. Those of us on Sierra seeing this will know it is a "sane" race that we can join because we are on the mailing list that sends the weekly password. Perhaps not a very secure system but considering probable mental capacity of the people we are trying to avoid mabe secure enough. We may not even need that mailing list. It would be my guess that the people we want to avoid find this NG increadably boreing. If so I would not be too surprised if just leaving the password here on the NG for any and all to see cuts the problem considerably. Could be that this would not work in the real world but it might be worth a try. "The Black Cat =^..^=" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> It's not really a league, because I don't envision it as one where you > keep ongoing results, but rather just an opportunity for serious but > not fanatical drivers to get together for a couple or three short > races one or more times a week at the track which hosts the real world > race that week. > > It's inspired by the VROC-F2 group for GPL where there are several > races a week hosted by the group. It's all just for fun and nobody > keeps track of results toward any sort of championship, and that > attitude of comaraderie is what's made it such a great success. > > Ideally, there would be more than one session per week, perhaps one > held early in the evening for east-coasters who have to get up early > and another for left-coasters who do not. Maybe, if the group wanted > to, there could even be one big get-together at some agreed-upon time > for everyone to meet for the Big Race of the Week. > > But again, no tracking of results, just friendly racing without all > the idjits you encounter in pick-up events. > > Post comments here and if there is sufficient interest, maybe we can > get something started. > > > =^..^=

it sounds like an excellent idea to me count me in "Joe L." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1%vu6.1703$[email hidden]... > Being thoroughly tired of NASCAR DEATHMATCH myself you can count mein. > If the goal is to simply have someplace to go when in the mood I'mwondering > if the "league" could consist of just a simple scheme that would let usknow > who is who on Sierra.com along with some way to keep out the "riff-raff". > Perhaps some "standard" names for hosted games along with a > "password-of-the-week" to get us in. > Any members of this "Laidback League" who wanted to host a race would > just start whatever track he wanted, name the game "Laidback Daytona" or > some such and lock the game with this weeks password. Those of us onSierra > seeing this will know it is a "sane" race that we can join because we areon > the mailing list that sends the weekly password. > Perhaps not a very secure system but considering probable mental > capacity of the people we are trying to avoid mabe secure enough. We maynot > even need that mailing list. It would be my guess that the people we wantto > avoid find this NG increadably boreing. If so I would not be too surprised > if just leaving the password here on the NG for any and all to see cutsthe

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> problem considerably. > Could be that this would not work in the real world but it might be > worth a try. > > "The Black Cat =^..^=" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > It's not really a league, because I don't envision it as one where you > > keep ongoing results, but rather just an opportunity for serious but > > not fanatical drivers to get together for a couple or three short > > races one or more times a week at the track which hosts the real world > > race that week. > > > > It's inspired by the VROC-F2 group for GPL where there are several > > races a week hosted by the group. It's all just for fun and nobody > > keeps track of results toward any sort of championship, and that > > attitude of comaraderie is what's made it such a great success. > > > > Ideally, there would be more than one session per week, perhaps one > > held early in the evening for east-coasters who have to get up early > > and another for left-coasters who do not. Maybe, if the group wanted > > to, there could even be one big get-together at some agreed-upon time > > for everyone to meet for the Big Race of the Week. > > > > But again, no tracking of results, just friendly racing without all > > the idjits you encounter in pick-up events. > > > > Post comments here and if there is sufficient interest, maybe we can > > get something started. > > > > > > =^..^= > > >

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:08:58 GMT, The Black Cat =^..^= <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's inspired by the VROC-F2 group for GPL where there are several >races a week hosted by the group. It's all just for fun and nobody >keeps track of results toward any sort of championship, and that >attitude of comaraderie is what's made it such a great success. Do yourself a favor, limit membership to no more than 100 people. VROC-F2 ain't what it used to be and, with 600 members, how could it? Use something like Yahoo (formerly eGroups) groups to maintain the club and make it so someone who wants to join they have to email the moderator. Start with a small bunch of drivers you respect and let them vouch others into the group. You probably know enough decent (respectful, mature) drivers to get the ball rolling. Don't be impatient to grow it and let the gates swing open. Things can get out of hand rapidly if you don't let the culture of the group form and take root. Regards, Brett C. Cammack brettDOTcammack@worldnetDOTattDOTnet (remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

Wow... Great response! Sounds like there are a lot of folks looking for something more than pickup races but less than a full-blown league... I've not run a league or anything since I handled a small group running F1GP back on the old GEnie service about 7 or 8 years ago, so I'm not really good about the details. But the way I see it, we need a mailing list, a place to talk and a place to store files, such as a carset we can use in our races. I will volunteer to provide the second item on that list. I already run a political forum on Delphi, and I just now started a new one for our group. You have to sign up to use the service, but there's no fee. I've been on there since 1996 and they do a real good job... In addition to the forum, we can have live chats. The address is: http://www.delphi.com/N4RacingGroup/messages The only thing there now is a place for people to check in and a poll about what times are best for people to race, but that should expand quickly as people visit and post notes. If someone would like to volunteer to run the mailing list or provide some webspace for files, let us know either here or on the Delphi forum. Hopefully we can start having some preliminary races as early as next week. See you all soon and thanks for your great response! =^..^=

Sounds great...count me in please...references gladly provided

You need a server. What you're describing is pretty much how our JustRacin group got started. We had two leagues and every other night was an invite pickup. After Ten we built a server, started up a newsgroup, and kept on going. The group can combine resources to pay the server and ISP costs and we have rules and stuff so it's not just any ol pickup race. Good luck. Tom "The Black Cat =^..^=" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Wow... Great response! Sounds like there are a lot of folks looking > for something more than pickup races but less than a full-blown > league... > > I've not run a league or anything since I handled a small group > running F1GP back on the old GEnie service about 7 or 8 years ago, so > I'm not really good about the details. But the way I see it, we need > a mailing list, a place to talk and a place to store files, such as a > carset we can use in our races. > > I will volunteer to provide the second item on that list. I already > run a political forum on Delphi, and I just now started a new one for > our group. You have to sign up to use the service, but there's no > fee. I've been on there since 1996 and they do a real good job... In > addition to the forum, we can have live chats. > > The address is: > http://www.delphi.com/N4RacingGroup/messages > > The only thing there now is a place for people to check in and a poll > about what times are best for people to race, but that should expand > quickly as people visit and post notes. > > If someone would like to volunteer to run the mailing list or provide > some webspace for files, let us know either here or on the Delphi > forum. > > Hopefully we can start having some preliminary races as early as next > week. > > See you all soon and thanks for your great response! > > > > =^..^=

This sounds great to me. I haven't raced on-line in a few weeks now due to the carnage that generally ensues.I'm not a fast driver, but think of myself as a clean driver that doesn't want to ruin anyones race. I also like the laid back attitude of joining a race when you have the time to, not because the league admin has one scheduled for when you're pulling a double shift and there's no way you can join... -- See ya in the pits, Dean I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything. "The Black Cat =^..^=" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It's not really a league, because I don't envision it as one where you > keep ongoing results, but rather just an opportunity for serious but > not fanatical drivers to get together for a couple or three short > races one or more times a week at the track which hosts the real world > race that week. > > It's inspired by the VROC-F2 group for GPL where there are several > races a week hosted by the group. It's all just for fun and nobody > keeps track of results toward any sort of championship, and that > attitude of comaraderie is what's made it such a great success. > > Ideally, there would be more than one session per week, perhaps one > held early in the evening for east-coasters who have to get up early > and another for left-coasters who do not. Maybe, if the group wanted > to, there could even be one big get-together at some agreed-upon time > for everyone to meet for the Big Race of the Week. > > But again, no tracking of results, just friendly racing without all > the idjits you encounter in pick-up events. > > Post comments here and if there is sufficient interest, maybe we can > get something started. > > > =^..^= >

I'd like to give it a try. I haven't had a lot of luck with picup races and could use the practice. Doug B. (Don't gimme NOCRAP in E-mail)

I'm all for it. I'm personally looking for something where if I don't show up for a particular race, I'm not blackballed :) sometimes, with work and family requirements, you just can't make it. i.e., I work in IT and run a network for a company. If we have problems, guess who is working late? So the race takes a backseat... I personally like a setup where maybe every night, the "league" has a race (or two or more?) where known clean drivers get together in a password protected race and you know who you're racing with. I get nervous driving around people who want to act stupid online. On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:08:58 GMT, The Black Cat =^..^= <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>It's not really a league, because I don't envision it as one where you >keep ongoing results, but rather just an opportunity for serious but >not fanatical drivers to get together for a couple or three short >races one or more times a week at the track which hosts the real world >race that week. > >It's inspired by the VROC-F2 group for GPL where there are several >races a week hosted by the group. It's all just for fun and nobody >keeps track of results toward any sort of championship, and that >attitude of comaraderie is what's made it such a great success. > >Ideally, there would be more than one session per week, perhaps one >held early in the evening for east-coasters who have to get up early >and another for left-coasters who do not. Maybe, if the group wanted >to, there could even be one big get-together at some agreed-upon time >for everyone to meet for the Big Race of the Week. > >But again, no tracking of results, just friendly racing without all >the idjits you encounter in pick-up events. > >Post comments here and if there is sufficient interest, maybe we can >get something started. > > >=^..^=

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Okay, guys, I've scheduled our first race... For all the details, visit our forum at... www.delphi.com/N4RacingGroup/messages ...and go to the Upcoming Events topic. (Hey, I've got to find SOME way to get people to visit... :) ) Remember this is YOUR group. Don't wait for someone else to schedule an event -- if you want to race, post the details on the board and people will see it and hopefully show up to race. =^..^=