GPL--What is the deal with Monaco and going fast?

Man, this track just hates me. I can't figure out how to get a faster time at Monaco for the life of me. I usually get around 1:40 to 1:45. Meanwhile the all AI is smoking me by about 10 seconds routinely. Is there any where on the net where I can read a decent strategy for this particular track?

Tim Elhajj <[email hidden]> wrote: > Man, this track just hates me. I can't figure out how to get a faster time > at Monaco for the life of me. I usually get around 1:40 to 1:45. Meanwhile > the all AI is smoking me by about 10 seconds routinely. > Is there any where on the net where I can read a decent strategy for this > particular track? F2. +Cinquo

Be smooth in the corners. Don't overdrive them. Monaco is nothing but corners so you gotta be fast there. And of course to be fast you have to be smooth. "Slow is fast" as they say. The slower I drove the faster I got. :) Not that I'm that fast or anything, but 1:40 is pretty damned slow. -- ------------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten http://home.earthlink.net/~morganv00/ ------------------------------------- "Tim Elhajj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3abdaf22$[email hidden]... > Man, this track just hates me. I can't figure out how to get a faster time > at Monaco for the life of me. I usually get around 1:40 to 1:45. Meanwhile > the all AI is smoking me by about 10 seconds routinely. > > Is there any where on the net where I can read a decent strategy for this > particular track? > > > > >

Yep, have watched the AI and myself countless times. "Ville V Sinkko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:99kbqr$kog$[email hidden]... > Tim Elhajj <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Man, this track just hates me. I can't figure out how to get a fastertime > > at Monaco for the life of me. I usually get around 1:40 to 1:45.Meanwhile > > the all AI is smoking me by about 10 seconds routinely. > > > Is there any where on the net where I can read a decent strategy forthis

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> > particular track? > > F2. > > +Cinquo > >

I will try to be "smoother" in the corners. Maybe I just slow down around the corners and see if that helps at all. Sounds counterproductive, but I will give it a shot. "Morgan V. Wooten" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VKnv6.10261$[email hidden]... > Be smooth in the corners. Don't overdrive them. Monaco is nothing butcorners so > you gotta be fast there. And of course to be fast you have to be smooth."Slow > is fast" as they say. The slower I drove the faster I got. :) Not that I'mthat

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> fast or anything, but 1:40 is pretty damned slow. > > -- > > > ------------------------------------- > Morgan Vincent Wooten > http://home.earthlink.net/~morganv00/ > ------------------------------------- > > > "Tim Elhajj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3abdaf22$[email hidden]... > > Man, this track just hates me. I can't figure out how to get a faster

time > > at Monaco for the life of me. I usually get around 1:40 to 1:45.Meanwhile > > the all AI is smoking me by about 10 seconds routinely. > > > > Is there any where on the net where I can read a decent strategy forthis

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I'm not terribly fast myself, so I don't know that I'm qualified to give advice. Can you run 1:35 or so without traffic? I was over 1:40 until I watched the car in the included replay hop the curb after the tunnel. With Alison's setups, I can do this without scraping. "Tim Elhajj" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Man, this track just hates me. I can't figure out how to get a faster time >at Monaco for the life of me. I usually get around 1:40 to 1:45. Meanwhile >the all AI is smoking me by about 10 seconds routinely. > >Is there any where on the net where I can read a decent strategy for this >particular track?-- Jon Willeke <j dot willeke at verizon dot net>

In article <3abe0ff4$[email hidden]>, "Tim Elhajj" <[email hidden]> writes: > I will try to be "smoother" in the corners. Maybe I just slow down around > the corners and see if that helps at all. Sounds counterproductive, but I > will give it a shot. Yep, that's pretty much it, I think. Except the chicane-- gotta be fast in the chicane without losing it. When you reach the little crest between the exit of the tunnel and the chicane, try to be all the way on the right edge of the track. If you look down the track a ways, past the chicane, there will be a light pole that forms one end of a straight line (you being the other end at that point) which slices directly through the chicane. Stare at that pole, fixate on it, don't look at the armco or the hay bale, don't think about the chicane, just stare at the pole and keep the pedal down, and you'll shoot right through. And don't forget to brake for Tabac; it's one of the slow ones. :) Note that the above technique may only work if your setup can absorb running over the curb without getting too upset. I use Alison's high-riding Ferrari setup. The default setup also seems pretty stable with the Eagle. I haven't tried any other cars there, except the BRM for some reason. But don't use that one. :) As for me, I only qualify 16th or so against the AI on intermediate, so what do I know, but I have managed to pull off a 1:29.60 in the Ferrari, so I guess I'm not *terrible*. Marc

Tim Elhajj <[email hidden]> wrote: > Yep, have watched the AI and myself countless times. No, not _that_ F2. ;) My lap times and consistency rose tremendously when I drove a single educational F2 session there.

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> "Ville V Sinkko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:99kbqr$kog$[email hidden]... >> Tim Elhajj <[email hidden]> wrote: >> > Man, this track just hates me. I can't figure out how to get a faster > time >> > at Monaco for the life of me. I usually get around 1:40 to 1:45. > Meanwhile >> > the all AI is smoking me by about 10 seconds routinely. >> >> > Is there any where on the net where I can read a decent strategy for > this >> > particular track? >> >> F2. >>

+Cinquo

In article <99mom9$s68$[email hidden]>, Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> writes: >Tim Elhajj <[email hidden]> wrote: >> Yep, have watched the AI and myself countless times. > >No, not _that_ F2. ;) My lap times and consistency rose tremendously >when I drove a single educational F2 session there. > What did you specifically work on? I haven't seen any benefit to running F2 yet? But, I'll allow that maybe I'm looking for/at the wrong things. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Tim Elhajj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3abdaf22$[email hidden]... > Man, this track just hates me. I can't figure out how to get afaster time > at Monaco for the life of me. I usually get around 1:40 to 1:45.Meanwhile > the all AI is smoking me by about 10 seconds routinely. > > Is there any where on the net where I can read a decent strategy forthis > particular track? >http://simracing.com/alison/gpl/ See- Contents - Circuits - Monaco. Drive the Coventry, not the Lotus! - and work on the first 2 bends and the tunnel chicane - bet that's where you're losing time. -- Laurence Wilmer [email hidden] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 07/03/01

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> In article <99mom9$s68$[email hidden]>, Ville V Sinkko > <[email hidden]> writes: >>Tim Elhajj <[email hidden]> wrote: >>> Yep, have watched the AI and myself countless times. >> >>No, not _that_ F2. ;) My lap times and consistency rose tremendously >>when I drove a single educational F2 session there. > What did you specifically work on? I haven't seen any benefit to running F2 > yet? But, I'll allow that maybe I'm looking for/at the wrong things.

Monaco is the only place where I've ever deliberately reverted to F2... and actually gotten something out of it. My problem there was (and is) that I trash the car around too violently. I spent the session learning proper smooth lines through the slower turns (that is, all of them), and more importantly, patience and restraint of temper. ;) +Cinquo

LOL, oh. I see. Thx, will have to try using the slower cars. "Ville V Sinkko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:99mom9$s68$[email hidden]...

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> Tim Elhajj <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Yep, have watched the AI and myself countless times. > > No, not _that_ F2. ;) My lap times and consistency rose tremendously > when I drove a single educational F2 session there. > > > "Ville V Sinkko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:99kbqr$kog$[email hidden]... > >> Tim Elhajj <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > Man, this track just hates me. I can't figure out how to get a faster > > time > >> > at Monaco for the life of me. I usually get around 1:40 to 1:45. > > Meanwhile > >> > the all AI is smoking me by about 10 seconds routinely. > >> > >> > Is there any where on the net where I can read a decent strategy for > > this > >> > particular track? > >> > >> F2. > >> > > +Cinquo

In article <99pegd$f1r$[email hidden]>, Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> What did you specifically work on? I haven't seen any benefit to running >F2 >> yet? But, I'll allow that maybe I'm looking for/at the wrong things. > >Monaco is the only place where I've ever deliberately reverted to F2... and >actually gotten something out of it. My problem there was (and is) that I >trash the car around too violently. I spent the session learning proper >smooth lines through the slower turns (that is, all of them), and more >importantly, patience and restraint of temper. ;) >

I'm usually VERY patient and restrained - until I hit the bales in the f'king chicanes...<g> Seriously - not too long ago, my PB for an F1 was slower than the average for F2... I can get *around* the track just fine. I just can't get around it quickly. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

<snip> > I'm usually VERY patient and restrained - until I hit the bales in thef'king > chicanes...<g><snip> Don't aim at the opening (between the bales). Aim for some spot near tabac. You'll need to go (almost) in a straight line through the chicane. The easiest way to manage that is to floor the throttle, as the car is more stable when accelerating. Good luck. Jon Andersen

[email hidden] (Tim Elhajj) wrote in <3abdaf22$[email hidden]>: >Man, this track just hates me. I can't figure out how to get a faster time >at Monaco for the life of me. I usually get around 1:40 to 1:45. Meanwhile >the all AI is smoking me by about 10 seconds routinely. > >Is there any where on the net where I can read a decent strategy for this >particular track? Here are my observations: Sainte-Devote - simple corner but you need to get it right for a good time. It is worth to spend some time practicing. From Massanet to Portier - just drive smoothly. Going for extra 0.1s probably will result in frequent encounters with the walls (at least this happens to me:<) Portier - concentrate on a good exit. Tunnel - slow down a bit earlier than it's possible, so you're in full control at the exit. Otherwise I usually crash at the chicane. Chicane - if exit from the Tunnel was good and the car is stable you can just drive straight through the chicane From Tabac to the end of the lap - brake a bit earlier than possible but make sure you have good exits from the turns. Though driving it this way is not going to produce stunning lap times, for me it seems to be the only to stay away from the walls and below 1:30. Good luck :) Alex. (alexti)

In article <kJqw6.716$[email hidden]>, "Jon Andersen" <[email hidden]> writes:

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><snip> >> I'm usually VERY patient and restrained - until I hit the bales in the >f'king >> chicanes...<g> ><snip> > >Don't aim at the opening (between the bales). Aim for some spot near tabac. >You'll need to go (almost) in a straight line through the chicane. The >easiest way to manage that is to floor the throttle, as the car is more >stable when accelerating. > >Good luck. > >Jon Andersen

Floor it?!? Hehe...I'll send you the bill for the wrecked Ferraris...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 29 Mar 2001 21:14:12 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>>Don't aim at the opening (between the bales). Aim for some spot near tabac. >>You'll need to go (almost) in a straight line through the chicane. The >>easiest way to manage that is to floor the throttle, as the car is more >>stable when accelerating. >> >>Good luck. >> >>Jon Andersen > >Floor it?!? Hehe...I'll send you the bill for the wrecked Ferraris...<g> > >Eldred

He's right though - when you drive over the bump you have to lift the throttle a little bit, after that look ahead to the line you're going to pick through the chicane, floor it, and then stop worrying about hitting the haybales, have confidence that you are going to make it. It's one of those stupid Zen thingies: if you worry about hitting the haybales, you probably will screw up - if you are very confident you are going to make it, you will make it. Mostly :) When talking about Monaco, most people mention the chicane as the hardest point. I myself have much more trouble with the corner in the tunnel - when driving a bit slower it's no problem, but try taking the corner as fast as Huttu - now -that- is hard.. I never got that corner quite right. Andre

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> On 29 Mar 2001 21:14:12 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >>Don't aim at the opening (between the bales). Aim for some spot near tabac. > >>You'll need to go (almost) in a straight line through the chicane. The > >>easiest way to manage that is to floor the throttle, as the car is more > >>stable when accelerating. > >> > >>Good luck. > >> > >>Jon Andersen > > > >Floor it?!? Hehe...I'll send you the bill for the wrecked Ferraris...<g> > > > >Eldred > > He's right though - when you drive over the bump you have to lift the > throttle a little bit, after that look ahead to the line you're going > to pick through the chicane, floor it, and then stop worrying about > hitting the haybales, have confidence that you are going to make it. > > It's one of those stupid Zen thingies: if you worry about hitting the > haybales, you probably will screw up - if you are very confident you > are going to make it, you will make it. > Mostly :)

LOL! Jason Crossley told me during IGLPC pracice that I had to floor it through the chicane. I did, survived the chicane, but got so much adrenaline pumping that i messed up the next tight lefthander :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

LOL... that one sure struck a chord with me. The old "nail a corner and mess up the next one as you arrive there much faster than ever before"-scenario. Been there, done that... no T-shirt. ;-) Jan. =--- Olav K. Malmin wrote...

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> <snip> > LOL! Jason Crossley told me during IGLPC pracice that > I had to floor it through the chicane. I did, survived > the chicane, but got so much adrenaline pumping that i > messed up the next tight lefthander :) > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

On 30 Mar 2001 10:19:39 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote: >LOL! Jason Crossley told me during IGLPC pracice that I had to floor >it through the chicane. I did, survived the chicane, but got so much >adrenaline pumping that i messed up the next tight lefthander :) LOL, -everybody- has that the first time they nail the hairpin right :)) Andre >-- >Olav K. Malmin >remove .spam when replying

On 30 Mar 2001 10:19:39 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote: >LOL! Jason Crossley told me during IGLPC pracice that I had to floor >it through the chicane. I did, survived the chicane, but got so much >adrenaline pumping that i messed up the next tight lefthander :) By the way, I had the same thing yesterday at the Ring: I FINALLY got the lefthander after the long straight right, allmost full speed, and after that I realized too late that I now had much more speed to the next corner, so my normal braking point was MUCH too late now - another Lotus wrecked at the Ring :)) Andre >-- >Olav K. Malmin >remove .spam when replying

In article <3abdaf22$[email hidden]>, Tim Elhajj <[email hidden]> writes >Man, this track just hates me. I can't figure out how to get a faster time >at Monaco for the life of me. I usually get around 1:40 to 1:45. Meanwhile >the all AI is smoking me by about 10 seconds routinely. > Ok, it's been a while, but here's my take on going fast here: Car setup: I used Alison Hine's Ferrari setup, but on the Lotus instead. I have needed to make few changes with this setup, apart from the gearing - to ensure that I had a quick enough top gear - and the brake balance - moved it back a click or 2 to avoid way too many front wheel lockups. Saint Devote - for safer braking get off the driving line and move towards the centre of the track. This allows you to brake more in a straight line resulting in less chance of the car spinning out under braking and doesn't seem to cost much in lost time due to a narrower entry angle. Massanet - you should be in top gear before reaching the crest, but just before you get to it, brake a little and change down a gear. Then, once you've cleared the crest, brake hard and down 2 more gears. If you've left it too late and the car starts to drift wide with the back end wanting to come around then just turn the fronts hard towards the inside of the corner (don't try and countersteer). The car will continue to drift towards the outside, but you're less likely to end up facing the wrong way. Casino - just don't try and go too fast here otherwise you'll more than likely drift too wide and have to back off or hit the barrier or run up the curb. Just keep it smooth until you can see down towards Mirabeau and then get the power down for that short burst. Mirabeau - don't worry about where to position the car too much here. Just concentrate on finding a consistent braking point - I used to use one of the tree shadows - and on not locking the fronts which is real easy under braking here. Coming out of Mirabeau for the short run down to Virage it may be wise to go up to 2nd gear early. This avoids lots of wheelspin. Virage - not much to say here, just get round it without drifting wide. Followed by the right-hander (don't know its name) which is easy to get oversteer under braking and turn in here, so be ready to countersteer if necessary, and don't hit the curb on the inside or outside as it will just muck things up. It always looked like I should be able to go quicker than I actually ever did through here. It seems wider at first than you find once you're into the corner. Portier - getting a good braking point is essential. Too early and you're likely to clip the inside or just going too slow. Too late and you're heading towards that wall and having to back off. So, find one that allows you to brake consistenly for, because when done right, this corner's over before you know it. The car would almost drive itself through here. Tunnel - as much as I wanted to be in top gear I never could and would generally be sticking to 4th through here. It's possible to go in a little too quick, but steer towards the inside more than you would normally. The extra speed can keep you away from the inside and hopefully you'll carry that bit of extra speed without running too wide and up the curb on the outside. Whatever you do, don't touch that outside curb as its curtains nearly every time as far as a decent lap is concerned. Beau Rivage - like others have said, I very rarely have been able to just hammer it over the crest as the car nearly always becomes unbalanced. Just ease off slightly first - keeping to the right - then, once clear of it, put the pedal down and head for the gap. As long as the car is balanced over the crest then all should be well. If you haven't got full control, whether trying to accelerate or not, then you're going to have problems. Tabac - if you've carried plenty of speed through Beau Rivage then get ready to brake earlier than you would normally expect to. Before even the darker driving line has been reached. Get all you're braking done in a straight line and then turn in pretty aggressively towards the wall on the inside and then let the car drift towards the outer wall, ensuring that, as you try to get the power down you don't oversteer, so you might have to apply a little opposite lock here to avoid this. Gazometres - like Sainte Devote this is a corner where I get off the driving line for braking so that I can brake more in a straight line. I normally brake down to third before the track curves slightly left and then get over to the inside, once it starts to straighten out, brake and down to first for the hairpin. I find this method a lot more consistent, otherwise trying to do it all in one go and the car can swap ends. It's then just a case of being smooth out of the hairpin and over the start/finish line for another flying lap. It's been a while so there's probably a lot of subtle stuff that I've long since forgotten, but hopefully there's still enough here to work with. And what's been my best lap doing all this? 1:25.6 if I recall. Not too shabby, I hope. :) -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

When I watched the replay of my best Monaco lap (1:29.76 I think) I couldn't believe how close my left wheel came to the hay bales through the chicane. I'm glad I don't drive in F10 view or I would have flinched and crashed! "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 29 Mar 2001 21:14:12 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >>Don't aim at the opening (between the bales). Aim for some spot neartabac.

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> >>You'll need to go (almost) in a straight line through the chicane. The > >>easiest way to manage that is to floor the throttle, as the car is more > >>stable when accelerating. > >> > >>Good luck. > >> > >>Jon Andersen > > > >Floor it?!? Hehe...I'll send you the bill for the wrecked Ferraris...<g> > > > >Eldred > > He's right though - when you drive over the bump you have to lift the > throttle a little bit, after that look ahead to the line you're going > to pick through the chicane, floor it, and then stop worrying about > hitting the haybales, have confidence that you are going to make it. > > It's one of those stupid Zen thingies: if you worry about hitting the > haybales, you probably will screw up - if you are very confident you > are going to make it, you will make it. > Mostly :) > > When talking about Monaco, most people mention the chicane as the > hardest point. I myself have much more trouble with the corner in the > tunnel - when driving a bit slower it's no problem, but try taking the > corner as fast as Huttu - now -that- is hard.. I never got that corner > quite right. > > Andre

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> On 29 Mar 2001 21:14:12 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>>Don't aim at the opening (between the bales). Aim for some spot near tabac. >>>You'll need to go (almost) in a straight line through the chicane. The >>>easiest way to manage that is to floor the throttle, as the car is more >>>stable when accelerating. >>> >>Floor it?!? Hehe...I'll send you the bill for the wrecked Ferraris...<g> >> > He's right though - when you drive over the bump you have to lift the > throttle a little bit,

Actually, it depends on the car (and setup, perhaps). I can reliably take that hump without lifting in the Eagle. In the Ferrari, however, my success rate is more like 1 in 10. But then, maybe I'm just slower than you through the tunnel (Maybe-- ha!). Marc

> And what's been my best lap doing all this? 1:25.6 if I recall. Not > too shabby, I hope. :) Another Dog-boy who's only goal in life is to make me feel small...:) dave henrie > -- > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington)

Thanks guys. I really apprecaite everyone who took the time to add some suggestions. I had thought it might be possible to match the papy times without adjusting any of the setups, just honing my driving skills to the sharpest and adjusting gas levels. Although I think my driving skills could still use a ton of sharpening, I've abandoned that idea and have downloaded Alisons excellent Monaco setups. ;) I managed to shave 2 seconds off my PB so now I'm at 1:38... I know it's still not that fast, but it's better than I had last week! I'm going to keep working at it. I think my big problem is that I'm just not able to get the same amount of speed going down the first straight where the pits are and the second with the tunnel is... when I race with the AI, they just blow past me on these. I suppose this means I need to look at the corners just before those straights, but it's still hit or miss. My goals is 107% of the papy time before I move on to the next track. This is actually the hardest track for me, right after the ring. "Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <3abdaf22$[email hidden]>, Tim Elhajj > <[email hidden]> writes > >Man, this track just hates me. I can't figure out how to get a fastertime > >at Monaco for the life of me. I usually get around 1:40 to 1:45.Meanwhile

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> >the all AI is smoking me by about 10 seconds routinely. > > > > Ok, it's been a while, but here's my take on going fast here: > > Car setup: I used Alison Hine's Ferrari setup, but on the Lotus instead. > I have needed to make few changes with this setup, apart from the > gearing - to ensure that I had a quick enough top gear - and the brake > balance - moved it back a click or 2 to avoid way too many front wheel > lockups. > > Saint Devote - for safer braking get off the driving line and move > towards the centre of the track. This allows you to brake more in a > straight line resulting in less chance of the car spinning out under > braking and doesn't seem to cost much in lost time due to a narrower > entry angle. > > Massanet - you should be in top gear before reaching the crest, but just > before you get to it, brake a little and change down a gear. Then, once > you've cleared the crest, brake hard and down 2 more gears. If you've > left it too late and the car starts to drift wide with the back end > wanting to come around then just turn the fronts hard towards the inside > of the corner (don't try and countersteer). The car will continue to > drift towards the outside, but you're less likely to end up facing the > wrong way. > > Casino - just don't try and go too fast here otherwise you'll more than > likely drift too wide and have to back off or hit the barrier or run up > the curb. Just keep it smooth until you can see down towards Mirabeau > and then get the power down for that short burst. > > Mirabeau - don't worry about where to position the car too much here. > Just concentrate on finding a consistent braking point - I used to use > one of the tree shadows - and on not locking the fronts which is real > easy under braking here. Coming out of Mirabeau for the short run down > to Virage it may be wise to go up to 2nd gear early. This avoids lots > of wheelspin. > > Virage - not much to say here, just get round it without drifting wide. > Followed by the right-hander (don't know its name) which is easy to get > oversteer under braking and turn in here, so be ready to countersteer if > necessary, and don't hit the curb on the inside or outside as it will > just muck things up. It always looked like I should be able to go > quicker than I actually ever did through here. It seems wider at first > than you find once you're into the corner. > > Portier - getting a good braking point is essential. Too early and > you're likely to clip the inside or just going too slow. Too late and > you're heading towards that wall and having to back off. So, find one > that allows you to brake consistenly for, because when done right, this > corner's over before you know it. The car would almost drive itself > through here. > > Tunnel - as much as I wanted to be in top gear I never could and would > generally be sticking to 4th through here. It's possible to go in a > little too quick, but steer towards the inside more than you would > normally. The extra speed can keep you away from the inside and > hopefully you'll carry that bit of extra speed without running too wide > and up the curb on the outside. Whatever you do, don't touch that > outside curb as its curtains nearly every time as far as a decent lap is > concerned. > > Beau Rivage - like others have said, I very rarely have been able to > just hammer it over the crest as the car nearly always becomes > unbalanced. Just ease off slightly first - keeping to the right - then, > once clear of it, put the pedal down and head for the gap. As long as > the car is balanced over the crest then all should be well. If you > haven't got full control, whether trying to accelerate or not, then > you're going to have problems. > > Tabac - if you've carried plenty of speed through Beau Rivage then get > ready to brake earlier than you would normally expect to. Before even > the darker driving line has been reached. Get all you're braking done > in a straight line and then turn in pretty aggressively towards the wall > on the inside and then let the car drift towards the outer wall, > ensuring that, as you try to get the power down you don't oversteer, so > you might have to apply a little opposite lock here to avoid this. > > Gazometres - like Sainte Devote this is a corner where I get off the > driving line for braking so that I can brake more in a straight line. I > normally brake down to third before the track curves slightly left and > then get over to the inside, once it starts to straighten out, brake and > down to first for the hairpin. I find this method a lot more > consistent, otherwise trying to do it all in one go and the car can swap > ends. It's then just a case of being smooth out of the hairpin and over > the start/finish line for another flying lap. > > It's been a while so there's probably a lot of subtle stuff that I've > long since forgotten, but hopefully there's still enough here to work > with. > > And what's been my best lap doing all this? 1:25.6 if I recall. Not > too shabby, I hope. :) > -- > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying > > No person's opinions can be said to be > more correct than another's, because each is > the sole judge of his or her own experience.

In article <L5bx6.649660$[email hidden]>, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> writes >> And what's been my best lap doing all this? 1:25.6 if I recall. Not >> too shabby, I hope. :) > Another Dog-boy who's only goal in life is to make me feel small...:) >dave henrie Dave, you should try not to be so hard on yourself. It's only a game, isn't it? Hehe. -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS before replying

On 30 Mar 2001 20:56:53 GMT, [email hidden] (Marc Fraioli) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >> On 29 Mar 2001 21:14:12 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >> >>>>Don't aim at the opening (between the bales). Aim for some spot near tabac. >>>>You'll need to go (almost) in a straight line through the chicane. The >>>>easiest way to manage that is to floor the throttle, as the car is more >>>>stable when accelerating. >>>> >>>Floor it?!? Hehe...I'll send you the bill for the wrecked Ferraris...<g> >>> >> He's right though - when you drive over the bump you have to lift the >> throttle a little bit, > >Actually, it depends on the car (and setup, perhaps). I can reliably >take that hump without lifting in the Eagle. In the Ferrari, however, >my success rate is more like 1 in 10. But then, maybe I'm just slower >than you through the tunnel (Maybe-- ha!). > > Marc

(checking GPLRank) Yes, I think you are :) Taking the hump at full speed? No way I could do that, the car becomes way too unstable for the chicane then. I have to check, but I don't think even Huttu takes that bump without lifting. I do remember a fast replay of Huttu, in which he takes the tunnel corner very fast by driving with his left rear wheel over that er.. pavewalk is the correct word? at the left side. Ok, if I try that, it's guaranteed that I spin my car there.. one of the hardest corners in GPL for me. Andre

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes:

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> On 30 Mar 2001 20:56:53 GMT, [email hidden] (Marc Fraioli) > wrote: >>Actually, it depends on the car (and setup, perhaps). I can reliably >>take that hump without lifting in the Eagle. In the Ferrari, however, >>my success rate is more like 1 in 10. But then, maybe I'm just slower >>than you through the tunnel (Maybe-- ha!). >> > (checking GPLRank) Yes, I think you are :)

Man oh man, why did I ever join that GPLRank thing anyway? Gives away all my secrets... ;-) > Taking the hump at full speed? No way I could do that, the car becomes > way too unstable for the chicane then. I have to check, but I don't > think even Huttu takes that bump without lifting. Yeah, I know I'm losing a lot of time in the tunnel, so although I haven't studied this in replays particularly, I'm sure I'm reaching that hump at a much lower speed than you really fast guys. But FWIW, at my current level, I *can* take that hump without lifting in the Eagle pretty reliably. Now I know that if I do ever get the tunnel figured out, I'm going to have an adjustment period where I bend a lot of Eagles at the chicane. :-) > I do remember a fast replay of Huttu, in which he takes the tunnel > corner very fast by driving with his left rear wheel over that er.. > pavewalk is the correct word? at the left side. Sidewalk. > Ok, if I try that, it's guaranteed that I spin my car there.. > one of the hardest corners in GPL for me. Yeah, if I touch the curb or the sidewalk there I'm done. Not necessarily a spin, but I have to back *way* off to save it. Marc