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Guys: I hope I'm not too late, but last saturday I found GPL at a bargain price and decided to go for it (why the hell not? I said). Installed it, upgraded it with the FF patch and guess what? I'm sticking to this unbelievable sim for the next I-don't-know-how-many-years! I had never tried such a realistic and hardcore simulation, deprived from useless arcadish bells & whistles. The physics feel incredible (the only one that comes close to this is GP3 and MGPRS2 just feels like driving on jelly), the engine roar is scary to say the least (especially the Ferrari's V12) and braking those ballerinas down Nurburgring hills straights onto those hairpins pops sweat out of your face. Most incredible, it's graphics clock rock solid above 33 fps (@800x600 w/ everything on) using the Rendition driver on my modest system: Cel466, V2200/Voodoo1. It's amazing the efficiency you get when graphic routines are called directly from the hardware. Strangely, the frame rate never goes above 15 fps using the 3Dfx driver and sometimes the game even seems to freeze instantly, like it was running on hickhops whatever resolution I choose. It's the first time I see this. So far my good-old Voodoo had never let me down; even being an pre-historical card, its Glide mode never ceased to surprise me...and now it did it for a bad reason. Does anyone have an explanation for this? Or is it normal?... Sorry for the dated opinion, but somehow I felt I had to post my enthusiasm. Rui (favorite sims: GP500, Total Air War, GP3, now also GPL)

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> Guys: I hope I'm not too late, but last saturday I found GPL at a bargain > price and decided to go for it (why the hell not? I said). Installed it, > upgraded it with the FF patch and guess what? > I'm sticking to this unbelievable sim for the next > I-don't-know-how-many-years! > I had never tried such a realistic and hardcore simulation, deprived from > useless arcadish bells & whistles. > > The physics feel incredible (the only one that comes close to this is GP3 > and MGPRS2 just feels like driving on jelly), the engine roar is scary to > say the least (especially the Ferrari's V12) and braking those ballerinas > down Nurburgring hills straights onto those hairpins pops sweat out of

your > face. > Most incredible, it's graphics clock rock solid above 33 fps (@800x600 w/ > everything on) using the Rendition driver on my modest system: Cel466, > V2200/Voodoo1. It's amazing the efficiency you get when graphic routinesare > called directly from the hardware. > > Strangely, the frame rate never goes above 15 fps using the 3Dfx driverand

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> sometimes the game even seems to freeze instantly, like it was running on > hickhops whatever resolution I choose. It's the first time I see this. So > far my good-old Voodoo had never let me down; even being an pre-historical > card, its Glide mode never ceased to surprise me...and now it did it for a > bad reason. > Does anyone have an explanation for this? Or is it normal?... > > Sorry for the dated opinion, but somehow I felt I had to post my

enthusiasm. > > Rui > (favorite sims: GP500, Total Air War, GP3, now also GPL) > >

Hello, First off, I would strongly recommend turning *something* off :) Even with my P3/550, V5-5500 I have spetacular highlights off, detail level from 0-10% (left side of bar) and only showing cars in the mirrors. If you get the George Smiley glide patch, you can make the mirrors refresh every 2 frames which helps alot. Your goal should be 36fps as that is the limit set by GPL. I'm still racing GPL after 2+ years :) It's just darn good fun! Jason. [email hidden] wrote: > > Guys: I hope I'm not too late, but last saturday I found GPL at a bargain[snip]

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> Most incredible, it's graphics clock rock solid above 33 fps (@800x600 w/ > everything on) using the Rendition driver on my modest system: Cel466, > V2200/Voodoo1. It's amazing the efficiency you get when graphic routines are > called directly from the hardware. > > Strangely, the frame rate never goes above 15 fps using the 3Dfx driver and > sometimes the game even seems to freeze instantly, like it was running on > hickhops whatever resolution I choose. It's the first time I see this. So > far my good-old Voodoo had never let me down; even being an pre-historical > card, its Glide mode never ceased to surprise me...and now it did it for a > bad reason. > Does anyone have an explanation for this? Or is it normal?... > > Sorry for the dated opinion, but somehow I felt I had to post my enthusiasm. > > Rui > (favorite sims: GP500, Total Air War, GP3, now also GPL)

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<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cp0y6.946$[email hidden]... : Guys: I hope I'm not too late, but last saturday I found GPL at a bargain : price and decided to go for it (why the hell not? I said). Installed it, : upgraded it with the FF patch and guess what? GPL was the first FF game I played (bought a LWFF just for this game). After GPL you are spoiled any other game's FF are just arcade/Playstation-type effects. Why every game doesn't model the "car feel" to the extent that GPL does I don't know... Dale.

I bought my LWFF just for GPL too!! I guess I'm not the only one who's computer hardware purchases are dictated primarily by papyrus :-) Sideshow Bob wrote:

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> <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cp0y6.946$[email hidden]... > : Guys: I hope I'm not too late, but last saturday I found GPL at a bargain > : price and decided to go for it (why the hell not? I said). Installed it, > : upgraded it with the FF patch and guess what? > > GPL was the first FF game I played (bought a LWFF just for this game). > After GPL you are spoiled any other game's FF are just > arcade/Playstation-type effects. > > Why every game doesn't model the "car feel" to the extent that GPL does I > don't know... > > Dale.

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cp0y6.946$[email hidden]... > Guys: I hope I'm not too late, but last saturday I found GPL at a bargain <SNIP> > Sorry for the dated opinion, but somehow I felt I had to post myenthusiasm. > > Rui > (favorite sims: GP500, Total Air War, GP3, now also GPL) > Welcome to the wonderful world of GPL. You should check out a small article I wrote here http://www.slottweak.com/gplintro.htm . It should get you started. You should also check out the excellent GPL forum at http://www.legendscentral.com . There have been nearly 10000 posts there in the last 2 months. Cheers Phil -- http://www.legendscentral.com http://www.geocities.com/f2_festival GPL Handicaps: F1 -3.09 secs, F2 +115.11 secs

"Leo Greco" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I bought my LWFF just for GPL too!! I guess I'm not the only one who's > computer hardware purchases are dictated primarily by papyrus :-) > Yep, bought my LWFF for gpl too, and I'm holding onto the V5 vid card for the same reason.

"Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : : Why every game doesn't model the "car feel" to the extent that GPL does I : don't know... : Thinking about my statement here... can anyone point me to a sim other than GPL with the level of simulated "car feel" that GPL has? I want a sim where I can feel the car moving around in corners, etc. Dale.

Yeah, GPL is definitely a "lifer." I don't think this one will EVER get old or boring.

Sideshow Bob <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > : > : Why every game doesn't model the "car feel" to the extent that GPL doesI > : don't know... > : > > Thinking about my statement here... can anyone point me to a sim otherthan > GPL with the level of simulated "car feel" that GPL has? > > I want a sim where I can feel the car moving around in corners, etc. > > Dale. Although the purists will scoff, I find the FF in NFS5 to be quite good. You can certainly feel the front go light when the understeer sets in, and the wheel "firms-up" again when you come off the power and the back starts to come around. I downloaded a savegame from somewhere that gives access to all the cars and tracks in single player mode and I'm having a great time in my 1978 935 "Moby Dick" Phillip...

> First off, I would strongly recommend turning *something* off :) Even > with my P3/550, V5-5500 I have spetacular highlights off, detail level > from 0-10% (left side of bar) and only showing cars in the mirrors. If > you get the George Smiley glide patch, you can make the mirrors refresh > every 2 frames which helps alot. Your goal should be 36fps as that is > the limit set by GPL. Yep, but what puzzles me is that the frame rate on the Rendition is almost twice the figure I get on the Voodoo1 under the very same circumstances... maybe the memory has something to do with it: the Voodoo has 4 Mb and the Rendition has 8 Mb... Rui

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> > First off, I would strongly recommend turning *something* off :) Even > > with my P3/550, V5-5500 I have spetacular highlights off, detail level > > from 0-10% (left side of bar) and only showing cars in the mirrors. If > > you get the George Smiley glide patch, you can make the mirrors refresh > > every 2 frames which helps alot. Your goal should be 36fps as that is > > the limit set by GPL. > > Yep, but what puzzles me is that the frame rate on the Rendition is almost > twice the figure I get on the Voodoo1 under the very same circumstances... > maybe the memory has something to do with it: the Voodoo has 4 Mb and the > Rendition has 8 Mb...

GPL was custom made for the rendition cards, and the second generation redition card is also head and shoulders above the Voodoo1. Get a Voodoo3 which should be very cheap these days and get a solid 36 fps. :) The CPU is certainly up for it. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

> Thinking about my statement here... can anyone point me to a sim otherthan > GPL with the level of simulated "car feel" that GPL has? Well...I'd risk GP3 (haven't tried F1RC though...) if you can live with the chunky graphics; it has the extra benefit that it can be driven via the keyboard like no other sim, included (heresy!) GPL. Of course the whole thing turns upside down when you plug a FF wheel in... Rui

Do you notice 'hickups' or pauses in NFS5 with FF on? If I have FF on it causes the computer to pause for ever-so-short amounts of time when a big impact is passed to the FF. I now run NFS5 with FF off. I do not think I am asking too much of my P3-850, with GeForce2 32MB running at 1024*768 32 bit colour, or am I? SLG

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>Although the purists will scoff, I find the FF in NFS5 to be quite good. You >can certainly feel the front go light when the understeer sets in, and the >wheel "firms-up" again when you come off the power and the back starts to >come around. >I downloaded a savegame from somewhere that gives access to all the cars and >tracks in single player mode and I'm having a great time in my 1978 935 >"Moby Dick" > Phillip... > >

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

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>Do you notice 'hickups' or pauses in NFS5 with FF on? If I have FF on >it causes the computer to pause for ever-so-short amounts of time when >a big impact is passed to the FF. I now run NFS5 with FF off. I do not >think I am asking too much of my P3-850, with GeForce2 32MB running at >1024*768 32 bit colour, or am I? > >SLG

What wheel do you have? No hickups with my LWFF, but I read the MSFF is way more heavy on the cpu.. Andre

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> >>Although the purists will scoff, I find the FF in NFS5 to be quite good. You >>can certainly feel the front go light when the understeer sets in, and the >>wheel "firms-up" again when you come off the power and the back starts to >>come around. >>I downloaded a savegame from somewhere that gives access to all the cars and >>tracks in single player mode and I'm having a great time in my 1978 935 >>"Moby Dick" >> Phillip... >> >> > > >(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new >and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are >due to too many English classes/teachers) > >

I agree, I'm more into Nascar, but I don't see myself deleting GPL off my hard drive any time in the near future. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Tex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:k4cy6.25277$[email hidden]... > Yeah, GPL is definitely a "lifer." I don't think this one will EVER get old > or boring. > > >

"Sideshow Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Thinking about my statement here... can anyone point me to a sim other than >GPL with the level of simulated "car feel" that GPL has? No. ;-) Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

Your question was not directed to me, but I forgot to mention in the first post that with the FF wheel on (Guillemot Ferrari), the hickups increased...but only with the 3DFx driver. This only happens in GPL. I'm quite happy with the Rendition rasterizer, though. Rui

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> >What wheel do you have? No hickups with my LWFF, but I read the MSFF >is way more heavy on the cpu.. > >Andre > >>

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

<raises hand sheepishly> Jan. ;-) =--- Leo Greco wrote... > I bought my LWFF just for GPL too!! I guess I'm not the > only one who's computer hardware purchases are dictated > primarily by papyrus :-)

Yup, another one. I continue to be amazed by the impact GPL has on those first trying it. Interesting to note how some people immediatly "get" it, while others dismiss it instantly as well. Jan. =--- <[email hidden]> wrote... > <snip>

>"Jan Verschueren" wrote: > I continue to be amazed by the impact GPL has on those first trying it. > Interesting to note how some people immediatly "get" it, while others > dismiss it instantly as well. > > Jan. Well, there's a straight simple explanation for that: GPL makes absolutely clear that there are games and there are simulators. If you are a long time sim inconditional like me, GPL grabs you instantly; it makes no concessions at all to anything that might even remotely resemble arcade. If you're not, then you just throw it off the window or ask for a refunding :-). Sims are hard, but that's precisely the point: you have to learn it and fight it. Every 10th of a second you take from your previous lap is a small triumph and every 100th of a second you lose concentration costs you one or two laps. Or, most likely, a whole race, by ending with you car upside down like a desperate turtle after banging it against that bloody fence that kept getting closer and closer and... See what I mean??? (gosh, 48h have passed since I last fired up that red roaring cigar... sounds like an eternity) It's this sort of struggle that most people just *aren't willing* to have! I wouldn't criticize on that, of course... For me it's just plain natural that an arcade gamer will run from GPL like hell, just as I run like hell from arcade racing games. Personal taste, that's all. Cheers, Rui