Microsoft v Thrustmaster v Logitech

Ok, Im still trying to pick out a wheel and I am looking at these: 1. MS Sidewinder Pro 2. Thrustmaster Ferrari 3.Logitech Formula (not gp) So far I am leaning toward NOT getting Force Feedback due to what I have read of these wheels not being as precise as the non FF and that after the "wow effect" wears off the feedback is useless because no one has as yet gotten FF put out meaningfull signals, only "cool effects" that tell you little or nothing about what the car is doing. Another reason for not getting a FF is that none that I have seen look like they will hold togeather. Seems like there would be one hell of a lot of things that could and likely will break. I have said the above from a position of near total ignorance as I have never used a FF wheel outside of the display at CompUSA. So those inclined feel free to tell me I am nuts and that I gotta have FF because..... I have read all the reviews I can find on these wheels but none of those reviews tested the wheels on a "serious" sim like NASCAR or GPL. Then instead used Midtown Madness and the like. I therefore know that any of these wheels would be great for pounding the downtown pavement or perhaps joining the wreckers on the Sierra.com NASCAR 4 site but how any of these would suit the (ahem) "Professional" (yeah) is still unknown. Any advice those of you with any of these could provide would be appreciated.

You gotta have FF because...when properly tuned to your system, it helps in getting powerslides just right in GPL. Ben....LWFF user Joe L. wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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> Ok, Im still trying to pick out a wheel and I am looking at these: >1. MS Sidewinder Pro >2. Thrustmaster Ferrari >3.Logitech Formula (not gp) > > So far I am leaning toward NOT getting Force Feedback due to what I >have read of these wheels not being as precise as the non FF and that after >the "wow effect" wears off the feedback is useless because no one has as

yet >gotten FF put out meaningfull signals, only "cool effects" that tell you >little or nothing about what the car is doing. Another reason for not >getting a FF is that none that I have seen look like they will hold >togeather. Seems like there would be one hell of a lot of things that could >and likely will break. I have said the above from a position of near total >ignorance as I have never used a FF wheel outside of the display atCompUSA. >So those inclined feel free to tell me I am nuts and that I gotta have FF >because..... > > I have read all the reviews I can find on these wheels but none ofthose

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>reviews tested the wheels on a "serious" sim like NASCAR or GPL. Then >instead used Midtown Madness and the like. I therefore know that any of >these wheels would be great for pounding the downtown pavement or perhaps >joining the wreckers on the Sierra.com NASCAR 4 site but how any of these >would suit the (ahem) "Professional" (yeah) is still unknown. Any advice >those of you with any of these could provide would be appreciated. > > >

I have a MS FF wheel and while I admit to not using the feedback feature for the "serious" racers like N4, I do enjoy having a strong return to center feature that I can control through the settings. For me the feedback feature gets in the way of trying to maintain a consistent line in my Nascar games. I do crank up the feedback for games like Speedbusters and Need for Speed though, adds to the arcade experience. As far as breaking or falling apart I havn't had any issues after many sim miles of racing yet. <knocks on wood> Lap Hound "Joe L." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Ok, Im still trying to pick out a wheel and I am looking at these: > 1. MS Sidewinder Pro > 2. Thrustmaster Ferrari > 3.Logitech Formula (not gp) > > So far I am leaning toward NOT getting Force Feedback due to what I > have read of these wheels not being as precise as the non FF and that

after > the "wow effect" wears off the feedback is useless because no one has asyet > gotten FF put out meaningfull signals, only "cool effects" that tell you > little or nothing about what the car is doing. Another reason for not > getting a FF is that none that I have seen look like they will hold > togeather. Seems like there would be one hell of a lot of things thatcould > and likely will break. I have said the above from a position of near total > ignorance as I have never used a FF wheel outside of the display atCompUSA. > So those inclined feel free to tell me I am nuts and that I gotta have FF > because..... > > I have read all the reviews I can find on these wheels but none ofthose

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> reviews tested the wheels on a "serious" sim like NASCAR or GPL. Then > instead used Midtown Madness and the like. I therefore know that any of > these wheels would be great for pounding the downtown pavement or perhaps > joining the wreckers on the Sierra.com NASCAR 4 site but how any of these > would suit the (ahem) "Professional" (yeah) is still unknown. Any advice > those of you with any of these could provide would be appreciated. > > >

> I have a MS FF wheel and while I admit to not using the feedback featurefor > the "serious" racers like N4, I do enjoy having a strong return to center > feature that I can control through the settings. For me the feedback > feature gets in the way of trying to maintain a consistent line in myNascar > games. I do crank up the feedback for games like Speedbusters and Needfor > Speed though, adds to the arcade experience. As far as breaking orfalling > apart I havn't had any issues after many sim miles of racing yet. <knockson > wood> My MS FF wheel has yet to go wrong after 2 years of (ab)use. :-) Bobby

Yeah, I second Bobby's comment. My MSFF wheel cops a real bashing from me in Rally Championship 2000 and has survived nearly 2 years so far. Plus, it sure helps me drive better (if not faster?) in RC2000. Probably helps me in GPL, too. I find a reasonable castor effect with force feedback, where the wheel sort of helps wind on a bit of opposite lock when the tail starts to step out, just like in a real car (well, the Alfas and WRXs I drive). This is a few seconds before I slam my '67 F1 racer backwards into the GPL armco, but it sure feels good... Sorry, can't help you with advice on which one to choose, but certainly consider FF. GMF > > My MS FF wheel has yet to go wrong after 2 years of (ab)use. :-) > > Bobby > >