Take Up the GPaL Gauntlet?

Perhaps more than a few of you remember the GPaL utility for GPL that I was working on almost two years ago. Unfortunately, way back then I had a job change that prevented me from bringing the thing to closure. Months passed and I continued to hope that I'd be able to squeeze in the hours to get it finished. I never found those hours and don't anticipate finding them. So what I'd like to do is offer the source code to someone who has the skills, the time, and the interest in and understanding of GPL to get the job done. Honestly, I won't have the time to collaborate, but the code is well-structured and commented so a talented VB6 developer should be able to make it happen. The project does require a few custom controls (True DBGrid and VS-OCX if my memory serves me) which you'd need to acquire if you don't have them already. In addition, I have a FrontPage web site (that I've taken down) available if that's needed. Drop me a note describing your background, interest, and experience if you're interested. Thanks. I'd really like to see everyone ultimately enjoy GPaL. Jack Rambo [email hidden]

Hi Jack, I'd be absolutely no help on GPaL, but it's good to hear from you, I still remember the race series you hosted, it was my first taste of organized GPL, and I had a blast running it then. Still racin'? -- Ed White [email hidden] "Sideways, Slideways, and Every Other Ways" "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e7Ez6.4698$[email hidden]... > Perhaps more than a few of you remember the GPaL <snip> > Thanks. I'd really like to see everyone ultimately enjoy GPaL. > > Jack Rambo > [email hidden] > > >

Not much time to race anymore, Ed, but it's certainly nice to hear that you enjoyed the old Nail That Track (NTT) series. With GPL's automated server capability, has anyone put together a comparable, daily, intercontinental series since? Seems like it would be a lot easier today than it was two years ago! :-) Jack [email hidden] ----------------------- "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_iHz6.19533$[email hidden]... Hi Jack, I'd be absolutely no help on GPaL, but it's good to hear from you, I still remember the race series you hosted, it was my first taste of organized GPL, and I had a blast running it then. Still racin'? -- Ed White [email hidden] "Sideways, Slideways, and Every Other Ways" "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e7Ez6.4698$[email hidden]... > Perhaps more than a few of you remember the GPaL <snip> > Thanks. I'd really like to see everyone ultimately enjoy GPaL. > > Jack Rambo > [email hidden] > > >

Great to have you back on RAS, Jack. Fimally caught up on your sleep since the NTT World series? Fond memories... GPaL resurrection anyone???? Tony "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_iHz6.19533$[email hidden]... > Hi Jack, I'd be absolutely no help on GPaL, but it's good to hear fromyou,

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> I still remember the race series you hosted, it was my first taste of > organized GPL, and I had a blast running it then. Still racin'? > -- > Ed White [email hidden] > > > "Sideways, Slideways, and Every Other Ways" > "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:e7Ez6.4698$[email hidden]... > > Perhaps more than a few of you remember the GPaL > <snip> > > Thanks. I'd really like to see everyone ultimately enjoy GPaL. > > > > Jack Rambo > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > >

"Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:e7Ez6.4698$[email hidden]... Hi Jack! > So what I'd like to do is offer the source code to someone who has the > skills, the time, and the interest in and understanding of GPL to get the > job done. Honestly, I won't have the time to collaborate, but the code is > well-structured and commented so a talented VB6 developer should be ableto > make it happen. The project does require a few custom controls (TrueDBGrid > and VS-OCX if my memory serves me) which you'd need to acquire if youdon't > have them already. In addition, I have a FrontPage web site (that I'vetaken > down) available if that's needed. > > Drop me a note describing your background, interest, and experience if > you're interested. > > Thanks. I'd really like to see everyone ultimately enjoy GPaL. I would be interested in finishing GPaL. I have some skills in VB6 (wrote a trackcameraeditor for GPL) but I doubt that they would be enough for GPaL. I also don't have the custom controls you mentioned above. Are they downloadable for free somewhere or do I have to spend some money for them? However, I think the only way for me to see if I could handle the job is to have a closer look on the outstanding work. Please send me all the material you have. I promise that I will handle it with care and if I'm not capable of finishing it, will delete everything from my HD and give you a clear status report. Btw: Great to have you back. I hope that your new job was worth the r.a.s.-break ;). Regards Crash

On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:50:06 -0400, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Thanks. I'd really like to see everyone ultimately enjoy GPaL. > >Jack Rambo >[email hidden] A- AAA- AAAAAARRRGGHHHHHH!!! Buuuut serious folks. Jack, nice to see you back, and nice you want to give the source code for GPaL. But please answer me one burning question: The night GPaL was to be released, it got delayed because you had a problem with the installer. Then we never heard from you again. So the only thing that needs to be fixed now is the installer? Andre

Hey, Andre, how are you? I must say you have a better memory than I do! As I recall, I was working at releasing a version that had some of the functionality completed, had a handful of RASers doing last minute testing with me, and we had some configuration problems. That was right on the eve of starting my new job and things never slowed down after that. Just an installation problem? Not sure without more investigation. Jack [email hidden] "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:50:06 -0400, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Thanks. I'd really like to see everyone ultimately enjoy GPaL. > >Jack Rambo >[email hidden] A- AAA- AAAAAARRRGGHHHHHH!!! Buuuut serious folks. Jack, nice to see you back, and nice you want to give the source code for GPaL. But please answer me one burning question: The night GPaL was to be released, it got delayed because you had a problem with the installer. Then we never heard from you again. So the only thing that needs to be fixed now is the installer? Andre

>"Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote Hmmmmm... -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Oh Jack...you don't know the troubles you caused poor Andre... and the fun you gave us for picking on him...:) dave henrie "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xNLz6.3994$[email hidden]...

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> Hey, Andre, how are you? I must say you have a better memory than I do! > > As I recall, I was working at releasing a version that had some of the > functionality completed, had a handful of RASers doing last minute testing > with me, and we had some configuration problems. That was right on the eve > of starting my new job and things never slowed down after that. > > Just an installation problem? Not sure without more investigation. > > Jack > [email hidden] > >

In article <6EIz6.3905$[email hidden]>, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> writes: >Not much time to race anymore, Ed, but it's certainly nice to hear that you >enjoyed the old Nail That Track (NTT) series. With GPL's automated server >capability, has anyone put together a comparable, daily, intercontinental >series since? Seems like it would be a lot easier today than it was two >years ago! :-) How did it work? I have access to a few servers... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <e7Ez6.4698$[email hidden]>, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> writes: >Perhaps more than a few of you remember the GPaL utility for GPL that I was >working on almost two years ago. Unfortunately, way back then I had a job >change that prevented me from bringing the thing to closure. Months passed >and I continued to hope that I'd be able to squeeze in the hours to get it >finished. I never found those hours and don't anticipate finding them. Jack! You're still alive! Some of us (most of us) were wondering what happened to you... Eldred p.s. would it be possible for a non-GPL racer to understand the code? I work with a guy that loves programming, and he's good at it. But, he doesn't race. -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In the NTT World Championship, we had three qualifying races (1 each for the Far East, Americas, and Europe) at 7:00 AM, 5:00 PM and 10:00 PM EST, respectively, every weekday. Qualifying race winners and the top point scorers from each geographic area would be invited to participate in the weekly international championship event which was held at 8:00 AM EST Sunday mornings, I believe. Seems like it would be easy to do today with the server automation available. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... In article <6EIz6.3905$[email hidden]>, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> writes: >Not much time to race anymore, Ed, but it's certainly nice to hear that you >enjoyed the old Nail That Track (NTT) series. With GPL's automated server >capability, has anyone put together a comparable, daily, intercontinental >series since? Seems like it would be a lot easier today than it was two >years ago! :-) How did it work? I have access to a few servers... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred... Think it'll be best if somebody who both knows GPL well and is adept at VB takes this on. Jack "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... In article <e7Ez6.4698$[email hidden]>, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> writes: >Perhaps more than a few of you remember the GPaL utility for GPL that I was >working on almost two years ago. Unfortunately, way back then I had a job >change that prevented me from bringing the thing to closure. Months passed >and I continued to hope that I'd be able to squeeze in the hours to get it >finished. I never found those hours and don't anticipate finding them. Jack! You're still alive! Some of us (most of us) were wondering what happened to you... Eldred p.s. would it be possible for a non-GPL racer to understand the code? I work with a guy that loves programming, and he's good at it. But, he doesn't race. -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 17:33:18 -0400, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Hey, Andre, how are you? I must say you have a better memory than I do! > >As I recall, I was working at releasing a version that had some of the >functionality completed, had a handful of RASers doing last minute testing >with me, and we had some configuration problems. That was right on the eve >of starting my new job and things never slowed down after that. > >Just an installation problem? Not sure without more investigation. > >Jack >[email hidden]

Yes.. I was one of the beta testers.. you posted a message 'GPaL Tonight!!!' here on RAS, and then mailed me that the release would be delayed a couple of hours because there was a slight problem with the installation. That was the last I heard from you untill now. You disappeared, didn't post hear on RAS anymore, didn't react to my mails.. The fact that GPaL didn't get released was no problem, if someone does something for free I would be the last one to complain about it, but keeping me/our hopes high, and then disappearing without reacting to my mails pissed me off. Just a simple message of 'hey, I'm too busy now to finish GPaL' would have been enough. Andre

"Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e7Ez6.4698$[email hidden]...

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> > <SNIP> > > Thanks. I'd really like to see everyone ultimately enjoy GPaL. > > Jack Rambo > [email hidden] >

I have posted this on the Legends Central forum at http://www.legendscentral.com to try to drum aup some more interest for you Jack. Cheers Phil -- http://www.legendscentral.com http://www.geocities.com/f2_festival GPL Handicaps: F1 -3.09 secs, F2 +115.11 secs

"Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e7Ez6.4698$[email hidden]... > Perhaps more than a few of you remember the GPaL utility for GPL that Iwas

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> working on almost two years ago. Unfortunately, way back then I had a job > change that prevented me from bringing the thing to closure. Months passed > and I continued to hope that I'd be able to squeeze in the hours to get it > finished. I never found those hours and don't anticipate finding them. > > So what I'd like to do is offer the source code to someone who has the > skills, the time, and the interest in and understanding of GPL to get the > job done

About fucking time Jack. Why didn't you offer this 2 years ago . Im still amazed that no one went on and made there own GPaL and Im still amazed that GPL is still number 1 after all this time. I am also still amazed that you hosted races everyday of the week in 3 different time zones (did you not sleep?). Good to hear from you Jack Todd. p.s still racing :-)

>Why didn't you offer this 2 years ago< You know how it is, Todd...I kept thinking that the available time to finish it was right around the corner. Don't you write code, Todd? :-) Jack "T.Galvin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e7Ez6.4698$[email hidden]... > Perhaps more than a few of you remember the GPaL utility for GPL that Iwas

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> working on almost two years ago. Unfortunately, way back then I had a job > change that prevented me from bringing the thing to closure. Months passed > and I continued to hope that I'd be able to squeeze in the hours to get it > finished. I never found those hours and don't anticipate finding them. > > So what I'd like to do is offer the source code to someone who has the > skills, the time, and the interest in and understanding of GPL to get the > job done

About fucking time Jack. Why didn't you offer this 2 years ago . Im still amazed that no one went on and made there own GPaL and Im still amazed that GPL is still number 1 after all this time. I am also still amazed that you hosted races everyday of the week in 3 different time zones (did you not sleep?). Good to hear from you Jack Todd. p.s still racing :-)

Thanks, Phil. That'll help. Jack "Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hLVz6.322$[email hidden]... "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e7Ez6.4698$[email hidden]...

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> > <SNIP> > > Thanks. I'd really like to see everyone ultimately enjoy GPaL. > > Jack Rambo > [email hidden] >

I have posted this on the Legends Central forum at http://www.legendscentral.com to try to drum aup some more interest for you Jack. Cheers Phil -- http://www.legendscentral.com http://www.geocities.com/f2_festival GPL Handicaps: F1 -3.09 secs, F2 +115.11 secs

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <6EIz6.3905$[email hidden]>, "Jack Rambo" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Not much time to race anymore, Ed, but it's certainly nice to hear thatyou

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> >enjoyed the old Nail That Track (NTT) series. With GPL's automated server > >capability, has anyone put together a comparable, daily, intercontinental > >series since? Seems like it would be a lot easier today than it was two > >years ago! :-) > > How did it work? I have access to a few servers... > > Eldred > --

Jack is a Legend Eldred, he did NTT before GPL 1.2 with no server cycle setup to speak of he was there in 3 different timezones every day of the week. This was before vroc and so it was great to know there was somewhere to race every night off the week. The only problem for me was living in Western Australian, meaning the international finals every weekend were very very early in the morning. Its funny I always thought it would be ping time that stopped us from racing together on a world wide platform. GPL showed that was not so and that 500 ms could be achieved from anywhere in the world to a U.S race server for good racing. The thing that has stopped true World Series Racing is the fact that it is always the middle of the night somewhere in the world and there is nothing worse than getting out of bed at 5am to try and compete against the best in the world when for some of them it is 5pm in the Afternoon and their really in tune. Todd.

>Just a simple message of 'hey, I'm too busy now to finish GPaL' would havebeen enough.< I apologize to you, Andre, and to anyone else that was waiting on it. Things tool off in my life at that time at such a speed that I didn't have time to take a breath. I think I did ultimately deliver that message...just not in a timely enough manner. Jack "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 17:33:18 -0400, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Hey, Andre, how are you? I must say you have a better memory than I do! > >As I recall, I was working at releasing a version that had some of the >functionality completed, had a handful of RASers doing last minute testing >with me, and we had some configuration problems. That was right on the eve >of starting my new job and things never slowed down after that. > >Just an installation problem? Not sure without more investigation. > >Jack >[email hidden]

Yes.. I was one of the beta testers.. you posted a message 'GPaL Tonight!!!' here on RAS, and then mailed me that the release would be delayed a couple of hours because there was a slight problem with the installation. That was the last I heard from you untill now. You disappeared, didn't post hear on RAS anymore, didn't react to my mails.. The fact that GPaL didn't get released was no problem, if someone does something for free I would be the last one to complain about it, but keeping me/our hopes high, and then disappearing without reacting to my mails pissed me off. Just a simple message of 'hey, I'm too busy now to finish GPaL' would have been enough. Andre

In article <jWRz6.5068$[email hidden]>, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> writes: >Eldred... > >Think it'll be best if somebody who both knows GPL well and is adept at VB >takes this on. > >Jack I understand. -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <tRRz6.5064$[email hidden]>, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>In the NTT World Championship, we had three qualifying races (1 each for the >Far East, Americas, and Europe) at 7:00 AM, 5:00 PM and 10:00 PM EST, >respectively, every weekday. Qualifying race winners and the top point >scorers from each geographic area would be invited to participate in the >weekly international championship event which was held at 8:00 AM EST Sunday >mornings, I believe. Seems like it would be easy to do today with the server >automation available.

All those races every weekday?!? Whoa... No, I have to work, so I couldn't do something like that. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Jack Rambo" wrote: > >Just a simple message of 'hey, I'm too busy now to finish GPaL' wouldhave > been enough.< > > I apologize to you, Andre, and to anyone else that was waiting on it.Things > tool off in my life at that time at such a speed that I didn't have timeto > take a breath. I think I did ultimately deliver that message...just not ina > timely enough manner. > > Jack Well your disapperance caused a stir on RAS for a while. At one point there was genuine concern for your well being, which was quickly replaced by the sweepstake between filming for First Blood part IV or being abducted by aliens. If I'd known of your impending return to RAS we could have kept the alien story going you know :-) Tony

On Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:33:44 -0400, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>>Just a simple message of 'hey, I'm too busy now to finish GPaL' would have >been enough.< > >I apologize to you, Andre, and to anyone else that was waiting on it. Things >tool off in my life at that time at such a speed that I didn't have time to >take a breath. I think I did ultimately deliver that message...just not in a >timely enough manner. > >Jack

Ok, but please tell me the story behind the 'GPL Tonight!!' message, then the 'it's only a small problem with the installation procedure', and now offering the source code to finish GPaL. What is the current status of GPaL? Is it correct that only the installer has to be finished? Andre

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> >"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 17:33:18 -0400, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>Hey, Andre, how are you? I must say you have a better memory than I do! >> >>As I recall, I was working at releasing a version that had some of the >>functionality completed, had a handful of RASers doing last minute testing >>with me, and we had some configuration problems. That was right on the eve >>of starting my new job and things never slowed down after that. >> >>Just an installation problem? Not sure without more investigation. >> >>Jack >>[email hidden] > >Yes.. I was one of the beta testers.. you posted a message 'GPaL >Tonight!!!' here on RAS, and then mailed me that the release would be >delayed a couple of hours because there was a slight problem with the >installation. That was the last I heard from you untill now. You >disappeared, didn't post hear on RAS anymore, didn't react to my >mails.. The fact that GPaL didn't get released was no problem, if >someone does something for free I would be the last one to complain >about it, but keeping me/our hopes high, and then disappearing without >reacting to my mails pissed me off. Just a simple message of 'hey, I'm >too busy now to finish GPaL' would have been enough. > >Andre >

I'm sorry, but it takes every bit of what - 15 seconds - to come to the newsgroup and type a simple message that things have changed and it will be put on the back burner? I admire anyone that would expend their time and effort to offer a utility such as this to the sim racing community - for free nonetheless , but I think not taking a few seconds out of the day to at least let your brethren know that your ok, and what is going on, was totally disrespectful. I hope someone somewhere does pick up the gauntlet and run with it, as it sure sounded like it would be a great program. -- Don Burnette D Burnette in N4 Some people do nothing wrong. The problem is, they do nothing. And THAT is wrong. "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:33:44 -0400, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >>Just a simple message of 'hey, I'm too busy now to finish GPaL' would have > >been enough.< > > > >I apologize to you, Andre, and to anyone else that was waiting on it. Things > >tool off in my life at that time at such a speed that I didn't have time to > >take a breath. I think I did ultimately deliver that message...just not in a > >timely enough manner. > > > >Jack > > Ok, but please tell me the story behind the 'GPL Tonight!!' message, > then the 'it's only a small problem with the installation procedure', > and now offering the source code to finish GPaL. > What is the current status of GPaL? Is it correct that only the > installer has to be finished? > > Andre > > > > >"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 17:33:18 -0400, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> > >wrote: > > > >>Hey, Andre, how are you? I must say you have a better memory than I do! > >> > >>As I recall, I was working at releasing a version that had some of the > >>functionality completed, had a handful of RASers doing last minute testing > >>with me, and we had some configuration problems. That was right on the eve > >>of starting my new job and things never slowed down after that. > >> > >>Just an installation problem? Not sure without more investigation. > >> > >>Jack > >>[email hidden] > > > >Yes.. I was one of the beta testers.. you posted a message 'GPaL > >Tonight!!!' here on RAS, and then mailed me that the release would be > >delayed a couple of hours because there was a slight problem with the > >installation. That was the last I heard from you untill now. You > >disappeared, didn't post hear on RAS anymore, didn't react to my > >mails.. The fact that GPaL didn't get released was no problem, if > >someone does something for free I would be the last one to complain > >about it, but keeping me/our hopes high, and then disappearing without > >reacting to my mails pissed me off. Just a simple message of 'hey, I'm > >too busy now to finish GPaL' would have been enough. > > > >Andre > > >

>not taking a few seconds out of the day to at least let your brethrenknow that your ok, and what is going on, was totally disrespectful< See apology posted earlier. Thanks. Jack

>>Ok, but please tell me the story behind the 'GPL Tonight!!' message,then the 'it's only a small problem with the installation procedure', and now offering the source code to finish GPaL. What is the current status of GPaL? Is it correct that only the installer has to be finished?<< The version of GPaL that I was set to roll out that night was a subset of the ultimate functionality that the app would offer. It ran fine on my machine, but when I got you and some other testers involved, we ran into problems. I attempted to resolve them but simply ran out of time. To give you an idea, in the interest of getting it to everyone, I think I got almost no sleep the night before I started my new job. From that point on, things really got hairy... Current state? There are presumably still those install issues that need to be resolved and there's more functionality to be developed. If the installation issues are resolved, the app as it exists, offers some useful functionality: car, car type, driver, track, level, distance category, laps, and AI strength selections, and GPL launching --- think that what's currently working --- all in a single screen. Don't know how that compares to what's out there now. Jack

>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote > Ok, but please tell me the story behind the 'GPL Tonight!!' message, Who cares? It's history, and a LONG time ago also. It's just a bunch of 0's and 1's posted on a small portion of the Usenet. He tickled some people, SO? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UO9A6.439$[email hidden]... > >not taking a few seconds out of the day to at least let your brethren > know that your ok, and what is going on, was totally disrespectful< > > See apology posted earlier. Thanks. A year or more ago might have been nicer. There was a time when a man's word meant something, and even though you certainly owe us nothing it would have been appropriate to have at least said "I'm very busy and won't be able to continue". As it is I wish you the best in your racing and online involvement, but I think that you've really mishandled the GPAL affair. If you'd been yet another usenet dolt (like some are probably calling me right now) then I wouldn't have been disappointed.

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>>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Ok, but please tell me the story behind the 'GPL Tonight!!' message, > > >Who cares? It's history, and a LONG time ago also. It's just a bunch of >0's and 1's posted on a small portion of the Usenet. He tickled some >people, SO?

Err.. he got our hopes high after months of hype about GPaL, then posted 'GPaL tonight!!!' here, then he disappeared. Is it really that strange that I asked him what happened?? Andre

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>-- >-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> >-- May the Downforce be with you... >-- http://www.ymenard.com/ >-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez >Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

>A year or more ago might have been nicer.< An explanation was offered in Sept 99 on RAS, albeit ~45 days after I had said it would be done. I'm sorry that you missed it then and that you missed my apology above. Gosh, it's good to be back. Jack

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Err.. he got our hopes high after months of hype about GPaL, then > posted 'GPaL tonight!!!' here, then he disappeared. You make him sound like Dean from the CPR team

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>>A year or more ago might have been nicer.< > >An explanation was offered in Sept 99 on RAS, albeit ~45 days after I had >said it would be done. I'm sorry that you missed it then and that you missed >my apology above. Gosh, it's good to be back. > >Jack

Hmm.. everybody must have missed that post then, since we all wondered what happened to you. Anyway, let's forget all about that now, it -IS- very nice to see you back Jack, and I do hope that GPaL will see the light of day after all. Andre PS How's the job going you started with back then?

Andre... My RAS post from 9/22/99 is below (looks like 45 days was actually 60+). It's one of several in the indicated thread which I started. Until I looked at this again, I had completely forgotten about the system crash. It took me weeks to get my system back into "development state" and I was without a mail client for a while, I believe. Anyway, getting some good feedback from some "white knights." We'll see how it goes. Thanks for welcoming me back. Jack -------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> Subject: Re: Whatever Happened To That GPaL Thing Anyway? Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 11:15 PM >gpal yes or gpal no< GPaL...of course. The question that remains is when. Sometimes life just gets in the way! But don't start thinking it's never coming until the site goes down. I never have convinced anyone to foot the bill for the site, you know! ;) Apologies to everyone for the silence, but the new job and the major system crash really did bring me to my communicating and developing knees. Nice to be back in the neighborhood. Haven't slipped into a Lotus in months! Can somebody give me a synopsis of what's happened in the sim racing world in the last couple of months? Jack Rambo www.RaceLive.com/GPaL [email hidden] -------------------------------------------- "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 05:40:51 -0400, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote: >>A year or more ago might have been nicer.< > >An explanation was offered in Sept 99 on RAS, albeit ~45 days after I had >said it would be done. I'm sorry that you missed it then and that youmissed >my apology above. Gosh, it's good to be back. > >Jack Hmm.. everybody must have missed that post then, since we all wondered what happened to you. Anyway, let's forget all about that now, it -IS- very nice to see you back Jack, and I do hope that GPaL will see the light of day after all. Andre PS How's the job going you started with back then?

In Jacks defence here, i can remember the Sept99 explanation. -- Cheers Ginger.......................(GPL, Bowt NetterToDo) "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 05:40:51 -0400, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >>A year or more ago might have been nicer.< > > > >An explanation was offered in Sept 99 on RAS, albeit ~45 days after I had > >said it would be done. I'm sorry that you missed it then and that you missed > >my apology above. Gosh, it's good to be back. > > > >Jack > > Hmm.. everybody must have missed that post then, since we all wondered > what happened to you. Anyway, let's forget all about that now, it -IS- > very nice to see you back Jack, and I do hope that GPaL will see the > light of day after all. > > Andre > > PS How's the job going you started with back then?

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:09:29 -0400, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Andre... > >My RAS post from 9/22/99 is below (looks like 45 days was actually 60+). >It's one of several in the indicated thread which I started. Until I looked >at this again, I had completely forgotten about the system crash. It took me >weeks to get my system back into "development state" and I was without a >mail client for a while, I believe. > >Anyway, getting some good feedback from some "white knights." We'll see how >it goes. > >Thanks for welcoming me back. > >Jack

Man, this post was made that long ago?? When you wrote that you posted an explanation earlier, I did think about the 'whatever happened to GPaL' post. I remembered that post so well, because I was just as surprised to see a post from you as I was with your re-apperance 2 days ago :) But I'm amazed that that post was made in 99, how time flies.. :) I forgot about your system crash too. There were rumours that you also lost (part of) your source code, was that true? Later Jack, Andre

Jack Rambo wrote: > Perhaps more than a few of you remember the GPaL utility for GPL that I was > working on almost two years ago. Jack!!! Great to see you post here again after all this time. Man, I have some fond memories of your Nail That Track series. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

Honestly, Andre, I haven't touched that code since those fateful days in July '99. I don't recall any code being lost though. Time does move on, does it not? Jack

Hey, Dave! Nice to hear from you too. Thanks for the NTT note...You were always a welcome addition to the grid! Jack "David Ewing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Jack Rambo wrote: > Perhaps more than a few of you remember the GPaL utility for GPL that Iwas > working on almost two years ago. Jack!!! Great to see you post here again after all this time. Man, I have some fond memories of your Nail That Track series. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

Any reason you're looking for a particular developer, rather than just posting the code? "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote: >So what I'd like to do is offer the source code to someone who has the >skills, the time, and the interest in and understanding of GPL to get the >job done.-- Jon Willeke <j dot willeke at verizon dot net>

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:44:15 -0400, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hey, Dave! Nice to hear from you too. Thanks for the NTT note...You were >always a welcome addition to the grid! I enjoyed the NTT races a lot too, in fact I still have replays of some of them I think! Welcome back, Jack. :) - Greger

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:10:13 GMT, [email hidden] (Jon Willeke) wrote: >Any reason you're looking for a particular developer, rather than just >posting the code? Because then we would get different versions of GPaL.. nah, giving the code to one developer is a better idea. Andre

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>"Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>So what I'd like to do is offer the source code to someone who has the >>skills, the time, and the interest in and understanding of GPL to get the >>job done. >-- >Jon Willeke <j dot willeke at verizon dot net>

That's like leaving your beloved, faithful, family dog on a street corner. ;-) Jack "Jon Willeke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Any reason you're looking for a particular developer, rather than just posting the code? "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote: >So what I'd like to do is offer the source code to someone who has the >skills, the time, and the interest in and understanding of GPL to get the >job done.-- Jon Willeke <j dot willeke at verizon dot net>

Oh yea, Greger, I remember. It was always easy to find you in those replays...you were always in P1! And in post-race interviews, you were always very quotable. ;-) Weren't you going through school last time we talked? How's that going? Nice to hear from you! Jack "Greger Huttu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:44:15 -0400, "Jack Rambo" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hey, Dave! Nice to hear from you too. Thanks for the NTT note...You were >always a welcome addition to the grid! I enjoyed the NTT races a lot too, in fact I still have replays of some of them I think! Welcome back, Jack. :) - Greger

Well, I have some good news to report! What I'm about to tell you, I'm told, is largely unpublicized, so I'm revealing this with the express permission of the author. After initiating this thread, I received an e-mail from Paul Thurston expressing an interest in GPaL. When we discussed his extensive development background and he explained that he was involved in the delivery of the technique for mixing GPL engines and chassis, I knew he had the "tools" and the interest. Paul went on to explain that he's currently close to beta on a GPaL-like application that he and a small group have been working on for a bit now. So I took a look... With the help of Gary Tall and a handful of other developers and/or testers (many with names you'd recognize), Paul has developed this little baby called GEM+ which I think is a real "diamond in the rough." (Okay I'll stop with the humor.) My assessment: If there is still a need for the functionality that I built into GPaL, then I think the GPL world will love this thing. It has essentially all the basic functionality that GPaL had on tap, and a lot more. One of many inspired things that Paul has done, in addition to making GPL amazingly customizable, is to make his interface very customizable itself. So you'll be able to easilly launch whatever you like from within GEM+. Believe me, it's nice work. So my bottom line is I think Paul and crew have what you need. I'll be providing Paul with whatever GPaL code might help, and, if his team's interested, will assist in whatever way I can...as time permits. One final note: I'd encourage all of you to respect the facts that 1) Paul and his team are working hard at bring a quality application that will further enhance the GPL experience and 2) they have jobs, families, and lives outside of their efforts to deliver this terriffic new addition. If you'll do that, I think you'll find that your patience will be richly rewarded. Thanks and best of luck to the GEM+ team! Jack

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:29:25 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:10:13 GMT, [email hidden] (Jon > Willeke) wrote: > >>Any reason you're looking for a particular developer, rather than just >>posting the code? > > Because then we would get different versions of GPaL.. nah, giving the > code to one developer is a better idea.

Yeah right, that explains the hundreds of versions we have of the linux kernel, right? ;-> Why don't you put up a project on sourceforge and let anyone participate who is inclined to do so? Much better to share the load on many shoulders and not have any single person step into your shoes. He/She might just rturn into the next GPaL mobbing victim... Regards, Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ uwe.schuerkamp at telemedia.de for direct mail (from: is spambox) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

"Uwe Schuerkamp" wrote... >On Tue, 29 May 2001 19:32:27 +1000, Ben Coleman > <[email hidden]> wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:29:25 GMT, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]>wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:10:13 GMT, [email hidden] (Jon > > Willeke) wrote: > >etc. et.c <snip> Catching up on this ng, Uwe? -- Tony Whitley GPLRank -0.54 "On some laps I'd get as many as fifteen corners really right, but Moss, he gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand Prix.