News on The Euro Version of N4

I got this from Highgear.com (edited for format only) --------------------------------------------------------------- WARNING! Don't buy the euro version!!!! I was stupid enough to buy it and here's the story... The European version of Nascar 4 is a real ripoff; it is missing ELEVEN (11) nascar drivers including Bobby Labonte, Terry Labonte, Jeff Gordon, Mark Martin and others! ALSO there are no car manufacturers (dodge, ford, etc.), and it seems some logos & sponsors and other things have been either entirely removed or replaced with something else. As if this wasn't enough the intro sequence doesn't have any nascar footage, only sierra's and papyrus' logos (even though the manual states the intro footage was filmed in Daytona beach). There's probably more but I returned my copy and changed it to Fallout Tactics instead. So is the Euro version patched? Hmmm, it clearly states version number 4.1.0.1.1 so I decided quickly test it by playing Martinsville (with 43 cars). First lap and first corner 10-15 cars carnage. So there's your patch. Thank you. It took 2 months to work out some licensing BS??? Its quite obvious that Sierra didn't want to spend any more bucks for this product. Frankly I'm getting real sick about Sierra. First they butcher the much awaited Babylon 5 flight simulator and now they are dirtying Papyrus' reputation. Papy boys would be better off if they would change their distributor. Real fast. I have only two words for you Sierra: F*** OFF! Yours truly, One damn pissed off finnish nascar fan (BTW I have been playing the warez version for two months only because the game wasn't released here, so that's why I know the difference between these two versions. It seems the only way is to buy the US version and ship it here Finland which costs alot, but at least the game is worth it.) --------------------------------------------------------------- The version number he reports (4.1.0.1.1) is of interest to us, but at what point it includes the patch *we're* waiting for has not been revealed. Is this version number indicative of including the earlier patch for connection through a firewall along with merely being the euro version, or does it also include our multiplayer patch as well? It's kind of a licensing mystery why the sim would be missing the drivers and track/event logos. I don't see the point in their exclusion other than maybe foreign laws. I can understand this guy being a little annoyed at having to now download the cars for these drivers, but we all had to do that to get the correct car for Rusty Wallace and Dale Jr. The AI patch thing is kind of disheartening, but the hardest thing in the world to program is artifical intelligence (and a user interface that is understandable/usable by EVERYONE). Besides, we can make some adjustmnents to the AI to improve their compatibility with human drivers, so once more, this is kind of a moot point. The last paragraph is completely true, but is not because of the game writers or publishers. It is driven almost completely by licensing costs. We beg and plead for accurate representations of the cars and tracks, and then complain when we have to foot part of the bill by way of higher software prices. If we want tracks like "Daytona" and Bristol", and cars that sport "Chevrolet" or "Dodge" instead of generic (non-accurate) headlights/grills/taillights, we have to be ready to pony up because the owners of those trademarked logos and brand names want their cut of the game industry pie. It's all about *money*. Everyone's concern for our enjoyment of the genre in the form of computer simulations takes a DISTANT backseat to the realities (greed) of everyone else involved. The only people that remain true to the ideals are the programmers and the end-users. Period. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

John Simmons wrote: > The European version of Nascar 4 is a real ripoff; it is missing ELEVEN > (11) nascar drivers including Bobby Labonte, Terry Labonte, Jeff Gordon, > Mark Martin and others! Oh no!! You can download these from the internet... > ALSO there are no car manufacturers (dodge, > ford, etc.), and it seems some logos & sponsors and other things have > been either entirely removed or replaced with something else. These too can be downloaded from the internet > As if this > wasn't enough the intro sequence doesn't have any nascar footage, only > sierra's and papyrus' logos (even though the manual states the intro > footage was filmed in Daytona beach). Ooooh nooooo! So what? -- Rob Swindells ///////////// Caps Lock

"John Simmons" wrote:

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> I got this from Highgear.com (edited for format only) > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > WARNING! Don't buy the euro version!!!! I was stupid enough to buy it > and here's the story... > > The European version of Nascar 4 is a real ripoff; it is missing ELEVEN > (11) nascar drivers including Bobby Labonte, Terry Labonte, Jeff Gordon, > Mark Martin and others! <SNIP!>

Hmmmmm... that explain why I couldnt find any of them in there then... -( And why there a bunch of "NASCAR 2000" billboards around too.... :-((( Seems like i gotta get hold of some U.S version files. I must admit that I actually do feel ripped-off now...... However, tell me this wont have *ANY* affect on car preformance or gameplay - and I'll keep my copy. Sierra / Papyrus (Yes!! You do got a say in this..) - Shame on you! ed_

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:30:24 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"John Simmons" wrote: >> I got this from Highgear.com (edited for format only) >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> WARNING! Don't buy the euro version!!!! I was stupid enough to buy it >> and here's the story... >> >> The European version of Nascar 4 is a real ripoff; it is missing ELEVEN >> (11) nascar drivers including Bobby Labonte, Terry Labonte, Jeff Gordon, >> Mark Martin and others! <SNIP!> > > >Hmmmmm... that explain why I couldnt find any of them in there then... >-( And why there a bunch of "NASCAR 2000" billboards around too.... :-((( > >Seems like i gotta get hold of some U.S version files. > >I must admit that I actually do feel ripped-off now...... However, tell me >this wont have *ANY* affect on car preformance or gameplay - and I'll keep >my copy.

I can;t imagine that missing driver names would effect performance of the cars?? Andre >Sierra / Papyrus (Yes!! You do got a say in this..) - Shame on you! > >ed_ > >

Thx for the late warning:) On saturday I finally got my german version of N4 and felt ripped when I had a look at the drivers list and manufactureres. Of course, I can download these files fron the Internet, but I don`t buy a game to download missing files/cars or whatever! Heck, why didn`t they add these drivers??????? Btw, does anyone know a site where to download a complete 2k1-carset:). Thx in advance and no thx to Papy/Sierra for this complete piece of software. Best Dirk Muessener

Well... *if* I understand this correctly - the U.S version allow the driver to choose which chassis he want to race... In previous Papyrus titles there has been a slight difference in preformance between these cars.. Ford have been better on certain tracks, Chevy on others.. some chassis are good for speed - other for handling. Now.. in the European version - there's no option to choose chassis.. hence my question. I wanna know if we're racing under equal terms when joining an online race... thats all. ed_ "Andre Warringa" wrote: > "Ed Solheim" wrote: > > >I must admit that I actually do feel ripped-off now...... However, tellme > >this wont have *ANY* affect on car preformance or gameplay - and I'llkeep > >my copy. > > I can;t imagine that missing driver names would effect performance of > the cars?? > > Andre

> WARNING! Don't buy the euro version!!!! I was stupid enough to buy it > and here's the story... > Are all the tracks in the European version?

no difference in chassis between makes..... the marques wouldnt allow it.... pez Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lkA6.7327$[email hidden]... > Well... *if* I understand this correctly - the U.S version allow thedriver > to choose which chassis he want to race... In previous Papyrus titles > there has been a slight difference in preformance between these cars..Ford > have been better on certain tracks, Chevy on others.. some chassis are > good for speed - other for handling. > > Now.. in the European version - there's no option to choose chassis..hence

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> my question. > > I wanna know if we're racing under equal terms when joining an online > race... thats all. > > ed_ > > "Andre Warringa" wrote: > > "Ed Solheim" wrote: > > > > >I must admit that I actually do feel ripped-off now...... However, tell > me > > >this wont have *ANY* affect on car preformance or gameplay - and I'll > keep > > >my copy. > > > > I can;t imagine that missing driver names would effect performance of > > the cars?? > > > > Andre > > >

"Rob Swindells" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> John Simmons wrote: > > > The European version of Nascar 4 is a real ripoff; it is missing ELEVEN > > (11) nascar drivers including Bobby Labonte, Terry Labonte, Jeff Gordon, > > Mark Martin and others! > > Oh no!! You can download these from the internet...

Where??? I'm a newbie to the Nascar racing series and was wondering where a good N4 fansite is where I could download all the cars and drivers. Thanks. -Tim

Good start here. http://thepitwagon.hypermart.net/index.html J. Janasov Dirk Muessener <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9asjh5$6ofg5$[email hidden]... > Thx for the late warning:) On saturday I finally got my german version ofN4

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> and felt ripped when I had a look at the drivers list and manufactureres. > Of course, I can download these files fron the Internet, but I don`t buy a > game to download missing files/cars or whatever! > Heck, why didn`t they add these drivers??????? > Btw, does anyone know a site where to download a complete 2k1-carset:). > Thx in advance and no thx to Papy/Sierra for this complete piece of > software. > Best > Dirk Muessener > > > >