Want something that's even better for racing sims than FSAA?

Decided to get an Asus V7700 Deluxe and the stereoscopic glasses make driving sims much better. You actually feel like you are on the track in a car. Only tried it in GP3, Nascar Heat and RC2000 so far, but I like it. You can see the nose of your F1 car sticking way out in front of you in GP3 instead of a 2D looking hump in front of you. In Nascar Heat I really get the feeling like I'm in a car. Downside is that text looks bloody awful and some other games I have tried get screwed up by it. Only seems to work for me when I set the monitor to use 120hz refresh when in the stereovision mode even though it is supposed to work at 100hz too. Now to install GPL and see how it looks. This beats FSAA for me and I don't miss my V5 just yet.

OK, I jumped the gun a bit on this post. These glasses screw up too many interface menus in games - including GP3. If the game is all 3D then they are cool, otherwise they are too much of a hassle. Could be a problem with some games altering the refresh rate too. Mechwarrior4 is amazing with them though once you get used to the doubling hud. :-)

"Nos v7.0000001" wrote: > > OK, I jumped the gun a bit on this post. These glasses screw up too > many interface menus in games - including GP3. If the game is all 3D > then they are cool, otherwise they are too much of a hassle. Could be > a problem with some games altering the refresh rate too. Mechwarrior4 > is amazing with them though once you get used to the doubling hud. :-) Do you have a URL with some info on them? TIA Gerry

On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:24:21 +0100, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote: >Do you have a URL with some info on them? > >TIA > >Gerry Here's one. You can also do a Google search on the web for "stereoscopic glasses" and you will get a bunch of related stuff. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/reviews/v6600/index3.html

On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 04:18:08 GMT, Nos v7.0000001 <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Decided to get an Asus V7700 Deluxe and the stereoscopic glasses make >driving sims much better. You actually feel like you are on the track >in a car. Only tried it in GP3, Nascar Heat and RC2000 so far, but I >like it. You can see the nose of your F1 car sticking way out in front >of you in GP3 instead of a 2D looking hump in front of you. In Nascar >Heat I really get the feeling like I'm in a car. Downside is that >text looks bloody awful and some other games I have tried get screwed >up by it. Only seems to work for me when I set the monitor to use >120hz refresh when in the stereovision mode even though it is supposed >to work at 100hz too. Now to install GPL and see how it looks. This >beats FSAA for me and I don't miss my V5 just yet.

120hz is needed since each glass is at 60hz. You should really try Need for Speed: Porsche Unleashed, the 3d effect in that game is fantastic, awfull sense of speed you get in 3d. I couldn't get GPL working as good in 3d though.. still looking for the correct 3d values, if anyone figured out some good 3d settings for GPL I'd love to have them. Andre

> I couldn't get GPL working as good in 3d though.. still looking for > the correct 3d values, if anyone figured out some good 3d settings for > GPL I'd love to have them. I tried GPL with the metabyte eyeScream glasses and Wicked3D drivers, which had the settings already worked out, and that was great, except that I got a bit of a frame rate hit with my Voodoo Banshee card. You may be able to discover the actual settings by looking at the metabyte web site: http://www.metabyte.com, although having looked at the site it appears that the list of supported games is much smaller than it used to be. The other problem was that the vertical resolution was halved, so you really need a high-res display to begin with, otherwise the 3D effect is reduced as it's hard to make out the upcoming corner due to the jaggies. It looked amazing on UbiSoft's MGPRS2, especially at Monaco, except that the whole track looked like a huge piece of Origami, as each surface was obviously flat, irrespective of what pattern was on it. I also came to realise that you also get a sense of true 3D even without the glasses, due to having learnt the tracks: it's as if the brain is trying to make sense of the track in any way it can, including past knowledge of what's round the corner! I'd love to try some more 3D glasses in a couple of years, when the technology has moved on to the point where games don't crash all the time, the refresh rate and resolution are pretty much unaffected, the glasses are big enough for an adult to wear, and it uses wireless communication!

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:57:45 +0100, "Neil Raine" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The other problem was that the vertical resolution was halved, so you really >need a high-res display to begin with, otherwise the 3D effect is reduced as >it's hard to make out the upcoming corner due to the jaggies. Those glasses must be using the interlaced method and not page flipping (or whatever it's called). Asus VR 100 do both methods. Page flipping looks much better. I found the best solution to getting the best effects in any game. Requires some tinkering, but it works. Elsa has generic Revelator drivers and they work perfectly with the Asus glasses. So I install Nvidia reference drivers and then Elsa drivers on top. Elsa driver install archives the Nvidia drivers and you get a tray icon that allows you to switch between drivers with a reboot. The Elsa drivers allow you to alter all the settings while actually in a game so you can get the effect you desire without having to use guesswork. When I want speed I use the Nvidia drivers, when I want to use the glasses I use the Elsa drivers. Sweet setup. I run all games using stereovision at 800x600 120hz refresh. Games are smooth and the res is high enough because you don't noticed jaggies as much when there are two imagres being overlayed on each other that are offset form one another. This technology is still in it's infancy and it does have it's downsides (hard on the eyes if you use them for too long at once) but it is a worthwhile technology to develop further for sure.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:57:45 +0100, "Neil Raine" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I'd love to try some more 3D glasses in a couple of years, when the >technology has moved on to the point where games don't crash all the time, >the refresh rate and resolution are pretty much unaffected, the glasses are >big enough for an adult to wear, and it uses wireless communication! > > >

P.S. Asus glasses are large. No games crash on me with the Elsa drivers because I can turn it off by pressing the numpad - key so only turn it on in the 3D part of the game. Only games these drivers don't work in is BoB and I have noticed in GP3 that the other cars wheels keep disappearing when I have stereovision on. Played F12K with them today and it was incredible. Elsa Revelator's come in a wireless version.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:28:53 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote:

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>120hz is needed since each glass is at 60hz. >You should really try Need for Speed: Porsche Unleashed, the 3d effect >in that game is fantastic, awfull sense of speed you get in 3d. >I couldn't get GPL working as good in 3d though.. still looking for >the correct 3d values, if anyone figured out some good 3d settings for >GPL I'd love to have them. > >Andre

Yes, I had it set to 120hz @800x600. Problem was too much depth set which causes 2D bitmap text to double too much. Read my post in this thread about using Elsa Generic Revelator drivers. With these drivers you can pause the game and tinker with the settings until you get the look that is good for you. I don't have Porsche: Unleashed, but I bought Superbike 2001 today and it is amazing in stereovision. Actually, it's amazing looking even without stereovision. :-) I'll download the demo of Porsche again and see how it looks. The most stunning I've seen in stereovision so far is World War II Fighters by Jane's. Closest I'll ever come to feeling like I'm in a P-51. P.S. GPL worked well with Elsa drivers. Very well, actually. Just don't turn on the stereovision until you are in the 3D part of the game or it will screw up the text in the menus.

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> P.S. Asus glasses are large. No games crash on me with the Elsa > drivers because I can turn it off by pressing the numpad - key so only > turn it on in the 3D part of the game. Only games these drivers don't > work in is BoB and I have noticed in GP3 that the other cars wheels > keep disappearing when I have stereovision on. Played F12K with them > today and it was incredible. Elsa Revelator's come in a wireless > version.

How would these glasses work if you have to wear glasses (I do)--or would they work at all? Jerry Morelock

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:58:11 -0400, "chainbreaker" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>> P.S. Asus glasses are large. No games crash on me with the Elsa >> drivers because I can turn it off by pressing the numpad - key so only >> turn it on in the 3D part of the game. Only games these drivers don't >> work in is BoB and I have noticed in GP3 that the other cars wheels >> keep disappearing when I have stereovision on. Played F12K with them >> today and it was incredible. Elsa Revelator's come in a wireless >> version. > >How would these glasses work if you have to wear glasses (I do)--or would >they work at all?

According to the manual you can wear glasses underneath the Asus glasses, but you must have really tiny glasses then.. Andre