Who Will Apologize To Ubi Soft First?

"Formulism is hosted on a server (gameloft) that is directly associated with UBISOFT. For this reason UBISOFT had no choice, through contract with FIA, to inform Formulism of the bad news. This is unlikely to effect any other F1RC addon site. This is why no other F1RC site received the same email. If you'll notice, Formulism mentioned moving to another server. " So who here at r.a.s. will say "sorry" to Ubi Soft for jumping to conclusions, ripping them apart, and calling for a boycott of F1RC? Papyrus good. Other developers bad. David G Fisher

Ok, I'll take back the hippocrits bit, but I still don't like the tone of those E-mails. Jan. =--- David G Fisher wrote... > "Formulism is hosted on a server (gameloft > <snip>

If all this proves to be true, I'm man enough to apologise. -- Colin ICQ 25485061 David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cXkE6.20957$[email hidden]... > > So who here at r.a.s. will say "sorry" to Ubi Soft for jumping to > conclusions, ripping them apart, and calling for a boycott of F1RC? >

David G Fisher <[email hidden]> wrote on 21 Apr 2001: >"Formulism is hosted on a server (gameloft) that is directly >associated with UBISOFT. For this reason UBISOFT had no choice, >through contract with FIA, to inform Formulism of the bad news. This >is unlikely to effect any other F1RC addon site. This is why no >other F1RC site received the same email. If you'll notice, Formulism >mentioned moving to another server. " <snip> Sorry to UbiSoft. Most definitely NOT sorry to the FIA. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +287.71) The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > So who here at r.a.s. will say "sorry" to Ubi Soft for jumping to > conclusions, ripping them apart, and calling for a boycott of F1RC? Unlike you, I will do that. I apologise to Ubisoft even if I disagree with their philosophy. As for any kind of FIA excuse, it is just plain BS and marketing PR lies. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Would not all of this have been avoided if Formulasim AND UBIsoft had come right out and SAID in their statements and blathering that the business connection existed??? Seems to me both of those entities dropped the ball or...<xmode engaged> UBI is using this trumped up exercise of censorship to impress the FIA and at the same time...drum up some word of mouth about F1rc...because as ANY marketing major will tell you....Bad word of mouth is better than NO word of mouth <xmode cancelled> dave henrie "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cXkE6.20957$[email hidden]... > "Formulism is hosted on a server (gameloft) that is directly associatedwith > UBISOFT. For this reason UBISOFT had no choice, through contract with FIA, > to inform Formulism of the bad news. This is unlikely to effect any other > F1RC addon site. This is why no other F1RC site received the same email.If

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> you'll notice, Formulism mentioned moving to another server. " > > So who here at r.a.s. will say "sorry" to Ubi Soft for jumping to > conclusions, ripping them apart, and calling for a boycott of F1RC? > > Papyrus good. Other developers bad. > > David G Fisher >

Ubi Soft didn't say anything to the public about this. The Formulasim site made the e-mails public, not Ubi Soft. You think Ubi Soft owes it to the world to make all their business public. The web site should of known all along what they could and couldn't do. David G Fisher "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dDoE6.39906$[email hidden]... > Would not all of this have been avoided if Formulasim AND UBIsoft hadcome

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> right out and SAID in their statements and blathering that the business > connection > existed??? > Seems to me both of those entities dropped the ball or...<xmode engaged> > UBI is using this trumped up exercise of censorship to impress the FIA and > at the > same time...drum up some word of mouth about F1rc...because as ANY

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> major will tell you....Bad word of mouth is better than NO word of mouth > <xmode > cancelled> > dave henrie > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cXkE6.20957$[email hidden]... > > "Formulism is hosted on a server (gameloft) that is directly associated > with > > UBISOFT. For this reason UBISOFT had no choice, through contract with

FIA, > > to inform Formulism of the bad news. This is unlikely to effect anyother

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> > F1RC addon site. This is why no other F1RC site received the same email. > If > > you'll notice, Formulism mentioned moving to another server. " > > > > So who here at r.a.s. will say "sorry" to Ubi Soft for jumping to > > conclusions, ripping them apart, and calling for a boycott of F1RC? > > > > Papyrus good. Other developers bad. > > > > David G Fisher > > > >

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > Ubi Soft didn't say anything to the public about this. The Formulasim site > made the e-mails public, not Ubi Soft. You think Ubi Soft owes it to the > world to make all their business public. The web site should of known all > along what they could and couldn't do. My god you are one Ubisoft suck-up. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I guess you're right. They should of held a news conference and announced their intentions publically. They should of sent out a press release, and of course, checked with us here at r.a.s. before they dared contact the Formulasim site. If we and our grandma's approved of their decision to protect their agreement with the FIA, then, and only then, should they have gone ahead and told Formulasim to take down the add-ons. Bastards! David G Fisher "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6QoE6.614735$[email hidden]... > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Ubi Soft didn't say anything to the public about this. The Formulasimsite > > made the e-mails public, not Ubi Soft. You think Ubi Soft owes it to the > > world to make all their business public. The web site should of knownall

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> > along what they could and couldn't do. > > > My god you are one Ubisoft suck-up. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

Don't turn the argument around David. Francois is, rightly so IMO, pointing out that if there was as tight a collaboration between Ubisoft and Forulasim as is inferred in the explanation of the incident there was no reason for the site to protest Ubisofts decision in the way they did (as they should have seen it coming) and/or for Ubisoft to take that tone of voice with the site. I.e. Ubisoft dropped the ball by not reaching an amicable agreement with the site and the site dropped the ball by attempting to rouse public opinion in favour of their cause while witholding vital information with reference to the argument from us. They were biting the hands that fed them, without letting on they were doing so. I think it was natural for myself and others to be outraged by the apparent "big corporation" picking on the "small independant" site. Not everyone has blind faith, you know. <vwg> You obviously don't think so, but IMO there is a lot that racing sim developers can learn from RAS. That they choose to surround themselves with brown-nosers is their decision and their loss. You cannot blame the people on this newsgroup for holding opinions which are unpopular with most commercial developers. Some would be advised to word them more carefully (I admit I am guilty in this respect too), but I'm a big believer in the "can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen"-principle. I fail to see how anyone can complain about contributors here pointing out blatant omissions/errors in released games which any representative/competent betatest pool should have discovered within 1 minute of launching the release candidate (e.g. the inability to assign game controls to axis on different controllers). We're here, we show interest in anything remotely resembling a sim, most of us use real or thinly disguised e-mail addresses. We're available to help developers avoid embarrasment. Yet they seemingly rather make us out to be deluded neanderthals, rather than get their shit straight. Example? Ubisoft (yes, them again, first thing that came to mind... sorry.) Pro Rally 2001... no self-respecting rally co-pilot ever comments on driver performance while in the stage. Basic error, should have been caught the first time someone even remotely connected to rallying (I only did 2 national rallies as a co-driver in my early 20's and even I know that) played a stage. Yet this is in the final product. And they're calling this a sim (remember you said reliving the experience was as important as the actual modelling)? That's not even mentioning the horrible control and FF lag, terrible engine/environmental sound and disjointed graphics. Who tested this and on what kind of computer/controller config? -It just boggles the mind. Jan. =--- David G Fisher wrote... > I guess you're right. <snip>

Formulasim insist that there is no connection between their moving to another server and the Ubisoft problems. Apparently Gameloft are ceasing to host any sites, not just Formulasim. Quote from Roy34, Formulasim webmaster "No Schumi... sorry but the question is completely different. We're not subsidiary of everyone and have no contract with Ubi or Gameloft. We're moving to another server simply for this reason: Gameloft is closing all his hosting section, this means that all the sites like us (hosted by Gameloft) have to transfer their sites. The sense of Ubi's e-mail is clear: they have to show to Videosystem (owner of FIA license 1999 season) and FIA that they are fighting anyone updating F1RC... we know (they said this to us) that we were only the first site and others are following. They're off course closed for the weekend, we're giving up the hope that something happens until monday to change this situation, ('cause they're seeing all the negative feedback)." End quote Maybe you need to be apologising, David. On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:11:04 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>"Formulism is hosted on a server (gameloft) that is directly associated with >UBISOFT. For this reason UBISOFT had no choice, through contract with FIA, >to inform Formulism of the bad news. This is unlikely to effect any other >F1RC addon site. This is why no other F1RC site received the same email. If >you'll notice, Formulism mentioned moving to another server. " > >So who here at r.a.s. will say "sorry" to Ubi Soft for jumping to >conclusions, ripping them apart, and calling for a boycott of F1RC? > >Papyrus good. Other developers bad. > >David G Fisher

I will apologize, when I see it; the third party addons that is! And when the mods ring true then I will buy F1RC. -- G-Loc "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cXkE6.20957$[email hidden]... > "Formulism is hosted on a server (gameloft) that is directly associated with > UBISOFT. For this reason UBISOFT had no choice, through contract with FIA, > to inform Formulism of the bad news. This is unlikely to effect any other > F1RC addon site. This is why no other F1RC site received the same email. If > you'll notice, Formulism mentioned moving to another server. " > > So who here at r.a.s. will say "sorry" to Ubi Soft for jumping to > conclusions, ripping them apart, and calling for a boycott of F1RC? > > Papyrus good. Other developers bad. > > David G Fisher >

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>"Harry" <[email hidden]> wrote > Quote from Roy34, Formulasim webmaster > > "No Schumi... sorry but the question is completely different. We're > not subsidiary of everyone and have no contract with Ubi or Gameloft. > We're moving to another server simply for this reason: Gameloft is > closing all his hosting section, this means that all the sites like us > (hosted by Gameloft) have to transfer their sites. > The sense of Ubi's e-mail is clear: they have to show to Videosystem > (owner of FIA license 1999 season) and FIA that they are fighting > anyone updating F1RC... we know (they said this to us) that we were > only the first site and others are following. > > They're off course closed for the weekend, we're giving up the hope > that something happens until monday to change this situation, ('cause > they're seeing all the negative feedback)."

Wow, well I take my apology out of this. Ubisoft are still in the wrong, and HEAVILY. I knew one day we would have a legal battle on people creating add-ons vs. official add-ons for a sims. Papyrus doesn't care, they know that their expansion pack will be of quality. Who would pay Ubisoft for a simple carset upgrade and 2 new tracks? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.ymenard.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Oh, DGF appears to be full of shit again....! Ha, ha. Ben Harry wrote in message ...

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> >"No Schumi... sorry but the question is completely different. We're >not subsidiary of everyone and have no contract with Ubi or Gameloft. >We're moving to another server simply for this reason: Gameloft is >closing all his hosting section, this means that all the sites like us >(hosted by Gameloft) have to transfer their sites. >The sense of Ubi's e-mail is clear: they have to show to Videosystem >(owner of FIA license 1999 season) and FIA that they are fighting >anyone updating F1RC... we know (they said this to us) that we were >only the first site and others are following. >

"Ben Coleman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Oh, DGF appears to be full of shit again....! > > Ha, ha. > > Ben We are all adults here..surely we can use a more scientific word to describ the above...how about Poo Poo??? dave :) henrie

its not "Ubisoft", its "Ubisoft France"...... I never thought it was a big deal .....just one division of a company......

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:24:17 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: hi, happy to apologise, but just worried that the sentiment and awareness raised by this incident may still grow into a more serious concern as licensees start protecting their 'rights'. cheers, ian

Now we are "micro-scoping" this down to a particular country? phew... I just can't wait til' it's down to county, city then individuals....hahahaha Cheers From A Sarcastic Thom_j. <bfg> "slowbro" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... | | its not "Ubisoft", its "Ubisoft France"...... | I never thought it was a big deal .....just | one division of a company......

Should of? You mean Should HAVE. Or.... Should've - the contraction of should HAVE. Just some education from one of those dumb hick Papy-loving NASCAR fans..... -- Ken's Sig 3.2 "Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan Kenobi volksy(at)yahoo(dot)com Go #43, #44, #45! R.I.P Adam, Kenny, Tony, and Dale... "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6QoE6.614735$[email hidden]... > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Ubi Soft didn't say anything to the public about this. The Formulasim site > > made the e-mails public, not Ubi Soft. You think Ubi Soft owes it to the > > world to make all their business public. The web site should of known all > > along what they could and couldn't do. > > > My god you are one Ubisoft suck-up. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.ymenard.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

slowbro <[email hidden]> wrote on 22 Apr 2001: >its not "Ubisoft", its "Ubisoft France"...... >I never thought it was a big deal .....just >one division of a company...... Ubisoft's a French company, though, innit? -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -5.92; Monsters of GPLRank h/cap +287.71) The GPL Scrapyard: http://scrapyard.9ug.com "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Papyrus good. Other developers bad. Interesting opinions good. Broken record bad. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment

David G Fisher wrote: .....<snip> > Papyrus good. Other developers bad. > > David G Fisher Almost. Papyrus best. Other developers 'also rans'. Marty

.....<snip> Almost. Papyrus best. Other developers 'also rans'. Marty